[00:00] <Sergeant_Pony> /dev/sda3             21829440   6792936  13927620  33% /
[00:01] <Jazzva> Is there any line that ends with "/home" instead of "/"
[00:01] <Jazzva> ?
[00:01] <Sergeant_Pony> nope...
[00:01] <asac> Sergeant_Pony: backup your .mozilla-thunderbird directory and compact your folders by right clicking on them
[00:01] <asac> in thunderbird
[00:01] <asac> try to compact your "sent-folder"
[00:02] <asac> if its an imap folder check if you can copy a mail to that folder
[00:04] <Sergeant_Pony> it's an imap folder
[00:04] <asac> if you cannot copy a mail to it its most likely a imap setup issue
[00:05] <asac> but compacting folders or removing the .msf files before starting tbird sometimes helps to overcome corruption of cache
[00:05] <asac> s
[00:05] <asac> so give it a try
[00:06] <Sergeant_Pony> ok.. it's working again
[00:06] <Sergeant_Pony> why does it do that after every 7 sent emails?
[00:07] <asac> Sergeant_Pony: yeah ... your mail server doesnt allow parallel connections
[00:07] <asac> try to reduce the connection pool size in thunderbird to fix this
[00:07] <Sergeant_Pony> MDaemon pro
[00:07] <Sergeant_Pony> connection pool size?
[00:08] <asac> Sergeant_Pony: advanced server setting ... and there its "maximum ... of cached connections"
[00:08] <asac> its 5 by default
[00:09] <asac> try 2
[00:09] <asac> or 3
[00:09] <asac> or even 1 ;)
[00:10] <Sergeant_Pony> I'm at 3 now so we'll see what happenes
[00:26] <fta> the <video> patch is wanted1.9.1+ P1, excellent
[00:26] <fta> with ogg and gstreamer
[00:34] <fta> asac, can we hide EULA for flock too ?
[00:37] <asac> fta: depends on how its licensed in general
[00:38] <fta> asac, GPL
[00:38] <asac> everything?
[00:38] <fta> asac, no mention of v2, v3
[00:39] <asac> yeah. then it probably means GPL or later ;)
[00:39] <asac> now or later
[00:39] <fta> i guess the mozilla code remains tri-licensed
[00:39] <fta> or end-up GPL ?
[00:40] <asac> if anything in there is GPL-only this de-facto demotes everything else to GPL only
[00:41] <asac> though individual source files might still be tri-licensed, the complete ball is GPL then
[00:41] <asac> in the end flock guys need to use tri-license. otherwise they cannot really contribute back to mozilla
[00:41] <asac> only tri-licensed code is allowed in afaict
[00:41] <fta> there's also the branding owned by Flock
[00:42] <asac> yeah, but branding is special in general
[00:42] <fta> You are not granted rights or licenses to the trademarks of the
[00:42] <fta> Flock Inc. or any party, including without limitation the
[00:42] <fta> Flock name or logo.
[00:43] <asac> whats the context of that snippet?
[00:46] <fta> none. it's other-licenses/branding/Sulfur/LICENSE
[00:46] <fta> or other-licenses/branding/Flock/LICENSE
[00:50] <asac> ok ... but other-licenses can be replaced by something else if license isnt good enough
[00:51] <fta> minefield branding or something we have to create
[00:56] <fta> asac, jcastro: i've updated the wiki for flock. there's not much compared to Songbird ;)  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Ideas/Intrepid
[01:05] <Jazzva> Who do I need to bug about missing "Add exception" button on pages with bad security certificate? Translator or someone other?
[01:05] <Jazzva> For example, it's visible on this page www.jaim.at/jwchat when using english language, but not with serbian.
[01:10] <fta> strange, i get both the error page *and* a popup
[01:10] <Jazzva> Same here ... but with missing button :)
[01:10] <fta> click on "..or you can set an exception"
[01:11] <Jazzva> Clicked... and that's where the buttons are missing
[01:11] <fta> no buttons in the yellow part ?
[01:11] <Jazzva> Nope
[01:11] <fta> anything relevant in the Error console ?
[01:12] <Jazzva> nope
[01:14] <Jazzva> www.jazzva.com/buttons.png that's the screenshot
[01:15] <fta> waa, is that serbian ?
[01:16] <Jazzva> Yep :)
[01:16] <fta> looks like russian to me..
[01:16] <Jazzva> it's somewhat similar
[01:17] <fta> anyway, did you search in bugzilla ?
[01:17] <Jazzva> I'll take a look now
[01:20] <fta> 170 <!-- LOCALIZATION NOTE (securityOverride.warningText) - Do not translate the
[01:20] <fta> 171 contents of the <xul:button> tags.  The only language content is the label= field,
[01:20] <fta> 172 which uses strings already defined above. The button is included here (instead of
[01:20] <fta> 173 netError.xhtml) because it exposes functionality specific to firefox. -->
[01:21] <fta> can you check you langpack for securityOverride.warningText ?
[01:21] <Jazzva> ...and that is prolly translated
[01:21] <Jazzva> Ok
[01:24] <Jazzva> Where do we keep firefox langpacks in Ubuntu?
[01:24] <fta> xpi
[01:25] <Jazzva> to download langpack xpi?
[01:25] <fta> it's like an extension
[01:25] <Jazzva> ah :)
[01:28] <Jazzva> no securityOverride.warningText in xpi file
[01:34] <fta> mozilla bug 406991
[01:36] <Jazzva> no <xul:button> tag in that message. Seems that's what's causing the problem
[01:36] <Jazzva> <!ENTITY securityOverride.warningText "<p>Немојте додавати изузетке ако користите везу којој не верујете у потпуности, или ако нисте навикли да добијате упозорења о овом серверу.</p>">
[01:38] <Jazzva> Yep, checked in en-GB locale, and it's there.
[01:38] <Jazzva> I'll send an e-mail to the translators to let them know about this.
[01:39] <Jazzva> And I guess, the bug will be reported after...
[01:40] <Jazzva> thanks for the help, fta :)
[01:41] <fta> maybe file a bug on lp too so next time they re-trigger the langpacks, it gets in
[01:41] <Jazzva> I'll check, but I don't think so. Not sure if that many users are actually using serbian langpack. But, who knows :)
[01:46] <Jazzva> Hmm... seems like it was auto-imported, so translations.launchpad are mentioned as translators. Should I report this at mozilla bugtracker then?
[01:56] <fta> donno, you'll have to ask asac
[01:56] <Jazzva> Ok
[03:39] <Sergeant_Pony> compacting folders didn't help... it still won't copy sent emails to my sent folder. I also changed the cache setting down to 2, no change. Anyone have any other ideas?
[06:31] <asac> Jazzva: its a translation bug if you dont get that button
[06:31] <asac> (exception)
[07:07] <asac> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=xulrunner-transition;users=glandium@debian.org
[07:10] <asac> fta: nss/nspr state => is there a final tag already?
[07:11] <asac> wondering if we should bring those as part of bug 237690 ... but most likely they are not essential for that and we can fork that update to a separate bug
[07:49] <asac> anyone can clarify bug 238861
[07:49] <asac> :)
[09:02] <Jazzva> asac, and what is the right place to report translation bugs?
[09:21] <asac> Jazzva: bugzilla i assume
[09:22] <asac> Jazzva: if its maintained upstream
[09:22] <Jazzva> Any special settings/tags for translation bugs?
[09:22] <Jazzva> It is...
[09:25] <asac> Jazzva: i think there should be a proper component in bugzilla for every language
[09:25] <asac> dont file this against browser -> generic ,)
[09:26] <asac> Jazzva: if you file a bug you can select mozilla translations
[09:26] <asac> then you can select your language as "Component"
[09:26] <Jazzva> Hehe :). Ok, I'll check after lab practice. Have to go soon and I'll be back around 15h...
[09:26] <asac> cool
[09:26] <asac> bdmurray: when awake, please ping me ;)
[09:26] <Jazzva> So, see you later
[09:27] <asac> bdmurray: would like to have a quick sprint on mozilla bug procedure
[10:13] <gnomefreak> yay today starts a cool off finally out of the 100s
[10:20] <gnomefreak> asac: did you push RC2 anywhere yet?
[10:21] <asac> gnomefreak: yes, read my blog ;)
[10:21] <gnomefreak> not sure if this is regression yet but firefox cant connect to internet
[10:23] <gnomefreak> its not a proxy
[10:24] <gnomefreak> chrols: can you please sstate your exact issue so i can catch up
[10:25] <gnomefreak> asac: i see the update now
[10:26] <gnomefreak> !info libc6 hardy
[10:26] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[10:27] <gnomefreak> took over a month to get libc6 in repos in intrepid
[10:27] <chrols> gnomefreak: I think I might have found the issue
[10:27] <asac> yay, ffox 2 bug folder cleared
[10:27] <gnomefreak> asac: :)
[10:27] <asac> what a huge pile of work that was
[10:28] <chrols> Well I doubt it was a bug, I think it is myself I have to blame
[10:28] <asac> now allow me to keep on top of bug-flood please :)
[10:28] <gnomefreak> asac: how long do we plan on supporting Ffox-2 in Intrepid?
[10:28] <gnomefreak> chrols: what was it?
[10:29] <chrols> In any case, if I run firefox from my chroot it can't connect wheras outside it can.
[10:29] <asac> gnomefreak: we support it inofficially until it reaches EOL upstream
[10:29] <asac> then we will auto migrate the ffox 2 users to ffox 3
[10:30] <asac> (on their own risk)
[10:30] <gnomefreak> chrols: your missing something in chroot than. iirc i saw that once but i got errors about X
[10:31] <gnomefreak> asac: so we are leaving it until intrepid+1
[10:31] <gnomefreak> since we have 6 months from final 3 release
[10:32] <chrols> gnomefreak: Well I wonder, considering it worked until recently. In any case I think I may manage on my own, thanks for the help though =)
[10:32]  * gnomefreak wonders why a 404 error would have private info unless bugs can be set to not show up at all
[10:32] <gnomefreak> chrols: your welcome
[10:34] <asac> gnomefreak: well ... for intrepid we might consider to remove it
[10:34] <asac> thought you asked about hardy support
[10:35] <gnomefreak> no more interested in firefox-2 in intrepid since upstream EOLS is 6 months after release of 3.0
[10:35] <gnomefreak> that would land us in december/jan.
[10:36] <gnomefreak> hardy is LTS isnt it
[10:37] <gnomefreak> so migrating would be good idea
[10:39]  * gnomefreak could swear im missing something on the 20th but cant remember what the hell it is
[10:39] <gnomefreak> be back smoke
[10:48]  * gnomefreak thought it was called edubuntu
[10:55] <gnomefreak> crimsun: i added PA depends for flash 10 to my repos for hardy to test so i know what is needed for Gutsy but someone is telling me flash still doesnt use PA and i cant remember commands to save my life for PA to check if default and if needed to set as default. If you get a minute can you please post those commands to bug 235135, i have a few meetings today so i might not be around much today
[11:00] <gnomefreak> asac: are we on final 3.0 or RC2?
[11:01] <asac> RC2
[11:05] <gnomefreak> ah ok i was confused since we are branding it as final release
[11:13] <armin76> haha
[11:13] <armin76> asac: see :P
[11:13] <armin76> gnomefreak: i told asac already, but he wants to rice!
[11:17] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 192653 i think is compiz but i set up steps to test to see if it is compiz or not. forgot to add something else
[11:25] <gnomefreak> also new nvidia drivers when land in ubuntu will fix the 9xxx series bugs :)
[11:25] <gnomefreak> and with release of RC1 alot of bugs seem to be fixed :)
[11:32] <asac> gnomefreak: we are not branding it as final ... thats upstream
[11:32] <asac> install rc2 and start it ... there should be no difference to our branding
[11:32] <asac> package name is something functional
[11:32] <asac> not branding
[11:37] <gnomefreak> asac: ok
[11:39] <gnomefreak> asac: cany thing you need for us to push sunbird 0.8 into repos in Hardy im sure backports is right place for it and jdong has been MIA atleast when im around. I have pinged him atleast 2 times a week and no response.
[11:39] <gnomefreak> it seems 0.8 fixes alot of issues since we first released it in PPA
[11:43] <gnomefreak> it should close most if not all lightning/sunbird bugs im sure there are a few it wont fix. 0.9pre is broken atm or i was gonna start on that for PPA but ill wait till upstream fixes it.
[11:49] <gnomefreak> !info opensync-plugin-sunbird hardy
[11:49] <gnomefreak> it should
[11:50] <gnomefreak> nope
[12:06] <valen1> hi
[12:07] <gnomefreak> hi
[12:17] <valen1> hi gnomefreak
[12:20] <valen1> hi asac
[12:21] <valen1> asac: I still haven't seen your reply to fedora mailing list so as per your request I'm reminding you
[13:32] <fta2> http://hg.mozilla.org/index.cgi/mozilla-central/rev/694a9a4d6dcff1db0df2fd92386cd1bf7b7c73e9
[13:32] <fta2> mozilla bug 435739
[13:35] <fta2> http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/gerv/archives/2008/06/html5_video_codec_downloader.html
[13:43] <fta2> http://robert.accettura.com/blog/2008/06/10/firefox-crash/
[14:01] <Volans> Hi all
[14:21] <valen1> hi
[15:00] <valen1> asac are you here?
[15:03] <asac> valen1: yeah. i read your question. its still in the queue here
[15:04] <valen1> ok, I haven't checked since we spoke, but I checked now and I didn't see your reply so as you requested I'm reminding you
[15:07] <Jazzva> asac ... would you do me a favor of uploading gnome-voice-control patch to intrepid?
[15:07] <Jazzva> It's waiting in the bugreport for about a month, I think...
[15:07] <Jazzva> :)
[15:08] <asac> bug id?
[15:08] <Jazzva> There are people complaining that on some configurations, it doesn't move from "Calibration", but I think it's related prolly to their mic settings
[15:09] <Jazzva> bug 219303
[15:10] <Jazzva> the patch for intrepid is here https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-voice-control/+bug/219303/comments/16
[15:10] <Jazzva> Thanks :)
[15:10] <asac> Ill look have to break now for a few
[15:11] <Jazzva> Ok, take your time...
[15:14] <valen1> no prob
[15:39] <valen1> I'm off
[15:39] <valen1> bye
[16:32] <fta2> asac, i still have a merge pending for vim (since May 25th) waiting for Colin's approval, could you do something ? (Bug 234766)
[16:33] <asac> fta2: colin had a hard time the last weeks. give him some time. really.
[16:34] <asac> at least a few more days to catch up urgent things :)
[16:36] <fta2> ok
[16:37] <fta2> i asked because he uploaded a few packages in intrepid recently, but i can wait (it's one of the last packages remaining for the perl 5.10 transition)
[16:40] <bdmurray> asac: I'm awake now
[16:40] <asac> bdmurray: i am mostly off now ;) ... have meeting at 2200 UTC though. will you be around before that?
[16:41] <bdmurray> asac: yes, I'll be around
[16:41] <asac> bdmurray: cool. will ping you (hope!)
[17:07] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone know why I'm still having an issue with sent mail being copied to the sent mail folder?
[18:41] <rzr> hi i am back
[18:42] <rzr> got bug to fix :)
[18:42] <asac> rzr: \o/
[18:46] <rzr> asac: are there plans to merge mozdevscripts in sid too ?
[18:46] <rzr> it's maybe a bit too soon
[18:46] <asac> rzr: if there is demand, yes. otherwise we wait for demand
[18:47] <rzr> then If noone do this i'll RFP it soon or later
[18:56] <rzr> ok Flashblock seems to be fixed upstream
[18:56] <rzr> I tested it
[18:58] <asac> rzr: what was broken?
[18:58] <rzr> well some users reported it crashed for him
[18:59] <rzr> on my box only the icon is hidden
[18:59] <rzr> anyway there is a new upsteam version
[18:59] <rzr> let me push it
[19:09] <rzr> done
[19:13] <rzr> for next meeting , a page on the team workflow would be apreciated
[19:13] <rzr> :)
[19:17] <campd> [reed]: are you optional on this server?
[19:17] <[reed]> campd: lol
[19:23] <asac> rzr: feel free to help setting such a page up
[19:23] <asac> rzr: its easier to see the process for outsiders ... i wont see the important bits as its implicit knowledge
[19:23] <rzr> sure
[19:24] <rzr> the page you made for adding ext was good and clear
[19:24] <rzr> i guess you expected more contributions ?
[19:24] <asac> rzr: not really. we need to do more marketing/communication
[19:25] <asac> e.g. contributions are good so far
[19:26] <asac> can be better of course.
[20:34] <asac> bug #239272
[20:52] <Nukeador> hi all
[21:24] <Jazzva> Hello, Nukeador
[22:06] <asac> bdmurray: avail?
[22:07] <bdmurray> asac: sure
[22:07] <asac> bdmurray: ok .... lets start then ;)
[22:07] <asac> i took a quick look at the current documents in MozillaTeam
[22:07] <asac> top level bug page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs
[22:08] <asac> now that i look at the content this appears to be a page ment to be send to users as a pointer for specific instructions
[22:09] <bdmurray> I think it is also a good page for triagers wrt questions to ask in bug reports like testing with a new profile
[22:09] <asac> bdmurray: maybe take a brief look at the structure and let me know what you think
[22:11] <asac> anyway, i think this page should really be targetted at users to support them while reporting or answering common questions
[22:11] <asac> problem is that its currently the top level bugs page
[22:12] <bdmurray> Okay, that makes sense to me.  How many users do get obtaining backtraces?
[22:12] <asac> bdmurray: what i dont like is the commonly used http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html link for "How to report bugs"
[22:12] <asac> do we have something better?
[22:12] <asac> you cannot really point any user to that document imo
[22:12] <asac> its more like a book for people that just want to report a bug
[22:12] <bdmurray> right, I never was found of it either
[22:12] <bdmurray> s/found/fond/
[22:13] <bdmurray> henrik wrote up - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs and I've tweaked it a bit
[22:14] <asac> bdmurray: ok. i think i should split up that main page in single pages per topic. we can probably reuse some for both, users and triagers
[22:15] <bdmurray> I'm naturally fond of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingTemplate
[22:15] <asac> and maybe make a MozillaTeam/ReportingBugs page based on the main one
[22:15] <bdmurray> but understand that the mozilla one would be quite lengthy
[22:18] <asac> bdmurray: anyway, we should adopt that structure for the mozillateam bug page i guess
[22:19] <bdmurray> I'd like the debugging pages to have the same layout and structure yes
[22:19] <asac> ACTION: redo MozillaTeam/Bugs mainpage and in the form of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingTemplate
[22:20] <asac> bdmurray: ok, i think i want to make the bug procedure as loose as possible
[22:20] <asac> bdmurray: i think for now that page should be extended by a list of requirements for confirmed state
[22:21] <asac> i could say: "for crashers we need the following information in description: a), b), c)"
[22:21] <asac> or the description has to be of the following form ...
[22:21] <asac> bdmurray: my main interest is to get all bugs to a proper confirmed form
[22:21] <asac> with help of bugcontrol
[22:22] <asac> from there forward
[22:23] <bdmurray> I think if the bug policy is easier to understand that would help a lot
[22:24] <asac> bdmurray: ok, lets assume that we have a great comprehensive and simple bug procedure drafted. how can we get more bug triagers involved that follow those procedures?
[22:25] <asac> we basically require two groups: new + incomplete triagers AND upstream triagers ;)
[22:27] <bdmurray> asac: I think having monthly bug days for firefox could help draw in more triagers
[22:27] <asac> and i expect that at least doing upstreawm triager requires some skills; can the QA team directly contribute to the upstream triage and thus gather the know-how to teach other bug triagers?
[22:27] <bdmurray> asac: yes, that's something I am willing / interested in helping to do
[22:28] <bdmurray> I think we could hit up the bug control team for that too
[22:28] <asac> bdmurray: ok. i think it would make most sense to have two or three that get the initial feeding and then spread that knowledge to the more and so on
[22:28] <asac> bdmurray: do you know about people that have great bug triaging skills?
[22:29] <asac> do you get to know regular contributors of the bug control team?
[22:29] <bdmurray> asac: I know a couple of people yes and yes
[22:30] <asac> ACTION: get monthly hug days for firefox to get more triagers
[22:31] <asac> ACTION: mentor dedicated bug triagers about mozilla upstream triage to seed initial know-how amount bugcontrol members
[22:32] <asac> ACTION: strip down bug procedure to minimum
[22:33] <asac> bdmurray: please look at the states page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/States
[22:33] <asac> how much does that overlap with existing documents
[22:35] <asac> in general i find that information useful
[22:35] <asac> description and tags might be stripped
[22:35] <bdmurray> Not very much at the moment but I think the Aliases for states and goals could be integrated into w.u.c/Bugs/Status
[22:37] <asac> bdmurray: you think its helpful to get a short page for each individual page? e.g. something triagers can easily lookup when working on a bug of a certain state?
[22:37] <asac> or better keep everything on one page
[22:37] <asac> psychology ;)
[22:37] <asac> one big page might make the first-time visiter feel that this is a lot of details and he cant read through all of it ... thus he doesnt even start or look closer
[22:38] <asac> just a guess
[22:38] <bdmurray> I think one page for Bugs/Status is better but it is easy to use moinincludes and break it up
[22:38] <bdmurray> so they could go either way
[22:38] <asac> well ... i agree that its better if the complete page can be like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[22:39] <bdmurray> Right, I think having a page too long is discouraging like the sgtatham thing vs reportingbugs
[22:39] <asac> maybe have a one-page summary like that and more detailed information (for those interested= on individual apges?
[22:39] <asac> so: "a quick start" (to feed them)
[22:40] <asac> and details once they hit particular questions
[22:40] <bdmurray> right so alot of mozillateam/bugs could go to a debuggingtemplate page and then have a working with crashes details page regarding installing dbg symbols and obtatining an apport-crash backtrace
[22:48] <bdmurray> asac: does that help?
[23:03] <asac> bdmurray: meeting now ...
[23:03] <bdmurray> asac: Okay, I'm here for quite a bit still
[23:04] <asac> thx
[23:34] <Oilik> Hello, I am having trouble trying to compile Ubuntu. I've ran into so many errors, but now this one I can't figure out. Can anyone help me please?
[23:38] <asac> Oilik: thats not a mozilla topic. further your question is rather complex to cover in one answer ;)
[23:40] <Oilik> Aw man :( Is there a firefox channel?
[23:40] <Oilik> P.S. if anybody knows, the error was "configure: warning: Recreating autoconf.mk with updated nspr-config output"
[23:52] <asac> he asked about "to compile Ubuntu" ... not firefox
[23:52] <asac> tse
[23:52] <Jazzva> heh...
[23:57] <asac> Jazzva: i have the feeling that i neglected something i was supposed to do for you - again :)
[23:58] <asac> whatever it is ... i feel ashamed for it... for sure ;)
[23:58] <Jazzva> Heh... That's ok :)
[23:58] <Jazzva> It's intrepid patch for gvc...
[23:58] <Jazzva> Do you have time now? Or to bug you later about it...
[23:59] <Jazzva> (I tried asking in ubuntu-motu few times, but nobody reviewed it...)