[00:54] <superm1> hah gentoo
[00:54] <superm1> fun fun
[12:50] <MythbuntuGuest87> Hello anybody here?
[12:53] <MythbuntuGuest87> I have a question concerning IRC on mythbuntu 7.10
[12:59] <MythbuntuGuest24> hello?
[13:37] <laga> no
[14:08] <Ace2016> Hi all
[14:08] <Ace2016> i'm about to make a mythtv theme, i need a bit of help
[14:08] <Ace2016> What theme should i base it on?
[14:09] <DaveMorris> Ace2016: Personally I'd base it on one you already like
[14:09] <Ace2016> i'm redoing all the graphics from scratch
[14:09] <Ace2016> so i want a theme that works
[14:10] <Ace2016> i made a gtk2 theme to find that the theme was broken
[14:10] <DaveMorris> ahh, you want GTK2 themes
[14:10] <Ace2016> no
[14:10] <Ace2016> i want a working mythtv theme
[14:11] <Ace2016> one thats complete and working well
[14:11] <DaveMorris> use one of the offical mythbuntu ones then
[14:11] <Ace2016> where can i get the theme from?
[14:12] <DaveMorris> apt-get source mythtv-theme-mythbuntu on the command line will put it in your current directory
[14:12] <Ace2016> but i haven't built the box yet so i need to download it from somewhere
[14:13] <DaveMorris> you have a ubuntu machine anyway?
[14:13] <DaveMorris> s/anyway/anywhere
[14:13] <Ace2016> no i use debian
[14:13] <jphillip> packages.ubuntu.com should point you at it, though it may not be the most recent
[14:13] <jphillip> can't he get it from LP?
[14:14] <DaveMorris> you can, I'm just trying to find a url
[14:14] <Ace2016> LP?
[14:14] <Ace2016> is it a requirement to have a vertical menu?
[14:14] <Ace2016> all the screenshots i see have a vertical list
[14:15] <Ace2016> who designs the mythbuntu themes?
[14:15] <DaveMorris> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/mythtv-theme-mythbuntu/mythtv-theme-mythbuntu_0.20080421.tar.gz
[14:16] <DaveMorris> I can't remember atm, poke laga or superm1 they'll prob remember
[14:16] <Ace2016> thanks
[14:17] <Ace2016> can buttons overlap in the themes?
[14:18] <Ace2016> is there a video of mythbuntu of the start up?
[14:19] <Ace2016> i want to see if i need a matching splash screen too
[14:21] <Ace2016> this would be nice as a boot splash http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv/themes/mythtv_addict_wide.png
[14:21] <DaveMorris> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/mythbuntu-artwork-usplash for the usplash theme and http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/gtk2-engines-mythbuntu for the gtk+ theme
[14:22] <Ace2016> do i need a gtk theme?
[14:22] <Ace2016> its only a media centre
[14:22] <DaveMorris> it's used for the mythbuntu control center etc
[14:22] <DaveMorris> http://mythbuntu.com/files/images/7.10_final_usplash.preview.png is the usplash currently in use.
[14:23] <laga> no, we have the chrome one currently
[14:25] <Ace2016> laga: who made the current mythbuntu theme?
[14:27] <laga> troy_s and foxbuntu, i believe
[14:27] <laga> it's based on justinh's work
[14:27] <Ace2016> whats that?
[14:27] <Ace2016> the old theme?
[14:28]  * DaveMorris hasn't got a mythbuntu usplash theme installed anyway, I should prehaps replace my ubuntu one
[14:29] <laga> what's what?!
[14:29] <Ace2016> I think i'll try and make this in mythtv http://xazac87.deviantart.com/art/Windows-Media-Center-2008-75565961
[14:31] <laga> good luck. looks nice, but i don't know how well it'll work on a ten foot UI
[14:31] <Ace2016> what is it based on? what is justinh's work?
[14:31] <Ace2016> 10 foot ui?
[14:31] <Ace2016> ...
[14:32] <Ace2016> you have a 10 foot screen?
[14:32] <Ace2016> o_o
[14:32] <Ace2016> -.-
[14:33] <laga> no. when you're sitting 10 foot away from the screen :)
[14:33] <laga> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10-foot_user_interface
[14:35] <Ace2016> good point
[14:44] <Ace2016> can things like date be displayed on the mythtv skin?
[14:49] <jphillip> the time is in a corner currently, so I would imagine so
[14:51] <Ace2016> ah ok
[14:55] <Ace2016> for some reason i thought making a theme would take me a day
[14:55] <Ace2016> i see now that this is going to take longer
[15:05] <Ace2016> What does the optical disks section do?
[15:05] <Ace2016> does it play a dvd?
[15:09] <jphillip> play/rip optical discs
[15:10] <Ace2016> so dvds and audio cds?
[15:12] <jphillip> vcd's as well
[15:42] <superm1> oh noes i was called upon?
[15:43] <superm1> Ace2016, if you are looking to base anything on our existing themes, or packaging to them, they are all available in apt
[15:43] <superm1> mythbuntu-artwork-usplash, mythtv-theme-mythbuntu, gtk2-engines-mythbuntu
[15:43] <superm1> first for usplash, second for myth theme, third for gtk2 theme
[15:44] <superm1> you are probably working on the second itme
[15:44] <superm1> so you can apt-get source from a hardy box or you can grab from launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/PACKAGE where PACKAGE is the package name i just said
[15:55] <Ace2016> superm1: thanks
[15:58] <Ace2016> superm1: would it be possible to add a disk space meter at the bottom? i think it would be something important to the end user to know how much space is left. i would hate if a recording stopped in the middle
[15:59] <superm1> not without coding changes i dont think
[15:59] <superm1> but recordings will auto expire
[15:59] <superm1> if disk space is low
[16:00] <Ace2016> does mythtv themes not support commands with say the watch command? so you could watch -n5 time or something like that
[16:00] <superm1> well there is no widget for that stuff
[16:01] <superm1> the new qt4 stuff would be more likely to show it
[16:01] <superm1> there is a information center page that shows that information
[16:02] <Ace2016> i wanted to get rid of the information center, put any important info into other areas
[16:03] <superm1> you might consider asking to help with that in #mythtv
[16:03] <superm1> for the next release
[16:03] <superm1> they can point you with some ideas of how to do so
[16:03] <superm1> with the new qt4 stuff and get you started there
[16:04] <Ace2016> ok thanks
[17:28] <hti_pro> having trouble with video playback, it works fine at first but after a few minutes it starts gettin choppy, any ideas
[17:48] <ficoficofico> I guys, I'm not able to scan channels with my dual feed astra hotbird on mythtv
[17:49] <ficoficofico> I've configured the 4 stages
[17:49] <ficoficofico> but nothing....... maybe I need aid..
[17:50] <ficoficofico> there's someone that want to aid me configuring my system?
[18:17] <ficoficofico> no one?
[18:42] <javatexan1>  hey guys that last update for mythbuntu 8.04 killed lirc...lirc starts but won't take inputs...It looks like it overwrote the existing setup (i guess)...anyone know of a forum article or something to fix it...updated it last night...sorry lost connection somehow...LOL
[18:42] <laga> javatexan1: let's see..
[18:43] <jphillip> javatexan1 it should have mdae backips of the configs
[18:43] <jphillip> there was (not sure it still exists) a bug that lirc updates would overwrite custom configs
[18:44] <javatexan1> well my 8.04 was an upgrade from 7.
[18:45] <javatexan1> I have noticed some configuration differences between my upgraded box and native 8.04 installs...everything I've seen so far are cosmetic
[18:47] <laga> javatexan1: have you seen this thread? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=824870
[18:47] <laga> not sure if there's a fix in there, didnt read it ;)
[18:48] <javatexan1> nope...missed that one.  LOL.  did you google to find it?
[18:48] <laga> no
[18:48] <laga> used my eyes ;)
[18:48] <javatexan1> doh.....I've been spoiled by google...It catches most things....
[18:49] <laga> if they're indexed already.. and high enough in the search ranking
[18:59] <javatexan1> darn...it looks like my hardware was backed up, but lircd.conf was overwritten.  I have hardware.conf hardware.conf.old and lircd.conf all with the same time...but no lircd.conf.old
[19:03] <jphillip> do you have a lircd.conf.dpkg-old
[19:04] <javatexan1> fixed....there was a backup from the lircd.conff.dpkg-old
[19:04] <javatexan1> ah...LOL
[19:04] <javatexan1> thanks jphillip
[19:12] <jphillip> np
[19:38] <mthaddon> anyone able to help me with this - https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+question/35542
[19:46] <haffe> Have you run mythfilldatabase?
[19:46] <mthaddon> yes, still get the same error message telling me I need to run mythfilldatabase
[20:02] <haffe> Wait-
[20:02] <haffe> Are you running on external listings ie xmlttv ?
[20:03] <mthaddon> I have Schedules Direct - is that what you mean?
[20:03] <haffe> Yes.
[20:03] <haffe> Have you set up an account and such?
[20:03] <mthaddon> yep, and confirmed it's downloading data okay
[20:04] <haffe> I think you have to run mythfilldatabase --manual the first time if you're using an external source.
[20:04] <mthaddon> I can try that
[20:20] <mthaddon> haffe, ran "mythfilldatabase --manual" - http://paste.ubuntu.com/19428/ - and then ran mythtv-setup again, and still got the same message telling me I need to run mythfilldatabase
[20:21] <haffe> Did you answer all the questions?
[20:21] <mthaddon> it didn't ask me any questions
[20:22] <haffe> Ok, I'm really sorry, I'm out of ideas.
[20:22] <mthaddon> I've already put in my info about username/password for Schedules Direct
[20:22] <mthaddon> ok, thx anyway
[20:22] <laga> for SD, you don't need mfdb --manual
[20:33] <mthaddon> laga, mfdb seems to be working fine - it's just that mythtv-setup doesn't seem to think it is... (keeps prompting me to rerun it)
[21:45] <stu> anyone know why when I escape from live TV it crashes MythTV ? kicks me back to the desktop
[21:50] <foxbuntu> stu, what version of mythbuntu, what tuner, when did you last update the system?
[21:50] <stu> whatever is in the respos
[21:50] <stu> and im fully up to date... so like yesterday I guess
[21:50] <stu> I loose track of all the updates, drives me crazy
[21:51] <stu> respos = repos
[21:51] <foxbuntu> do a uname -r and give me that result
[21:51] <stu> 2.6.24-18-generic
[21:52] <stu> actually I turned off updates the other day thinking about it
[21:52] <stu> they keep breaking my hardware
[21:52] <foxbuntu> breaking your hardware?
[21:53] <stu> yeah.. for example to get my IR receiver to work I have to hack the source code for the appleir.c in ubuntu-modules
[21:53] <stu> to get sound to work I need to add options to alsa soruce
[21:53] <stu> whenever a new module update is available it un does all that and installs its own thing
[21:54] <stu> so I have to go and download the modules source, recompile etc
[21:54] <stu> you think an update may fix this issue ?? if so i'll do it...
[21:54] <foxbuntu> what tuner is it?
[21:54] <stu> hauppage wintv nova
[21:55] <stu> the front end on the back end doesnt have this problem
[21:55] <stu> so im doubtfull its the tuner
[21:55] <foxbuntu> oh this is a FE only machine?
[21:55] <stu> its when I exit live TV on the FE only machine the whole FE crashes
[21:55] <stu> instead of taking me back to the menu
[21:55] <foxbuntu> ok...
[21:55] <foxbuntu> anything in the logs?
[21:56] <foxbuntu> what vid card is in this machine?
[21:56] <stu> I tried starting it from the terminal so I could keep an eye on it... not had a look at the logs but can do
[21:56] <stu> ATI
[21:56] <foxbuntu> which driver are you using? (i.e. fglrx)
[21:57] <stu> 2008-06-11 21:56:37.898 TV: Changing from WatchingRecording to None
[21:57] <stu> 2008-06-11 21:56:37.937 DPMS Reactivated.
[21:57] <foxbuntu> ok nothing in the logs then
[21:57] <foxbuntu> thats the normal actions
[21:57] <stu> i'm not entirely sure.. I installed the driver from the restricted drivers but I have made changes to xorg.conf
[21:57] <foxbuntu> check your xorg for the driver
[21:58] <stu> yes fglrx
[21:58] <foxbuntu> are you using QT or OpenGL in the Frontend?
[21:58] <stu> opengl
[21:58] <stu> i'll try QT
[21:58] <foxbuntu> no
[21:58] <foxbuntu> opengl is best
[21:58] <foxbuntu> for this
[21:59] <stu> yeah its still crashing :P
[21:59] <foxbuntu> is the frontend mythtv .21?
[21:59] <foxbuntu> ( I assume so...but just asking )
[21:59] <stu> where do I check that ?
[21:59] <stu> in myth I guess
[22:00] <foxbuntu> no
[22:00] <stu> system status or so?
[22:00] <stu> oh
[22:00] <foxbuntu>  apt-cache policy mythtv-frontend
[22:01] <stu> 0.21
[22:01] <foxbuntu> k
[22:01] <stu> +fixes
[22:01] <foxbuntu> right
[22:01] <stu> this only started happening recently
[22:01] <stu> may have been after an update
[22:01] <stu> so perhaps I should do another update, reboot, and check
[22:01] <foxbuntu> when you run it in terminal and it crashes does anything inteligent show up as an error?
[22:01] <stu> nope, same as the logs
[22:01] <foxbuntu> hmm
[22:02] <foxbuntu> yeah I guess try updates like this: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:14] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu, the sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade is redundent
[22:15] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, no its not
[22:15] <foxbuntu> they pull seperate upgrades
[22:16] <tgm4883_laptop> dist-upgrade just says it's ok to install new packages if they are required
[22:16] <tgm4883_laptop> perhaps you are right though
[22:16] <tgm4883_laptop> no time, have to run
[22:18] <rhpot1991_laptop> I agree with tgm4883_laptop
[22:19] <tgm4883_laptop> bah, now I feel dirty
[22:19] <tgm4883_laptop> really leaving now
[22:19] <rhpot1991_laptop> heh
[22:19]  * tgm4883_laptop exits gracefully
[22:20] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991_laptop, I have seen it more than once apply updates that upgrade doesnt
[22:21] <foxbuntu> usually kernel upgrades
[22:22] <rhpot1991_laptop> dist-upgrade will
[22:22] <rhpot1991_laptop> but it will grab everything that upgrade does too
[22:22] <foxbuntu> From the man-page:
[22:22] <foxbuntu> "upgrade is used to install the newest versions of all packages currently installed on the system
[22:22] <foxbuntu> ...
[22:22] <foxbuntu> dist-upgrade, in addition to performing the function of upgrade, also intelligently handles changing dependencies with new versions of packages"
[22:22] <rhpot1991_laptop> so you only need to dist-upgrade
[22:22] <foxbuntu> yup
[22:23] <foxbuntu> but not what tgm4883_laptop was saying
[22:23] <rhpot1991_laptop> I think we are all on the same page, but using different words
[22:23] <rhpot1991_laptop> thats how I read what tgm4883_laptop said
[22:23] <foxbuntu> ok
[22:23] <foxbuntu> well no biggy
[22:23] <foxbuntu> just as well all understand
[23:00] <siwon> Am i in the channel
[23:00] <rhpot1991_laptop> yes
[23:01] <siwon> hmmm, got a question about the live cd, when i boot it up and its running
[23:02] <siwon> i launch the myth then it goes through its control center right
[23:02] <siwon> its asking me for setup of a backend?
[23:02] <siwon> does it need a backend to run it
[23:02] <laga> yes
[23:05] <siwon> so i must setup this on an external drive or a usb stick, i don't want to install on this system yet until i give it a trial runthrough
[23:06] <laga> basically, yes. or you need another backend somewhere on your LAN
[23:06] <siwon> manual is not clear on how to setup this way
[23:07] <siwon> all my pcs are vista, i do not have a backend installed anywhere
[23:07] <siwon> i have to build one
[23:07] <laga> while we're at it: you'll also need a tv tuner card in your computer which is supported by linux
[23:09] <siwon> ah i got a tuner card but its not installed, i have a dvb-s generic BDA card in it for sat reception
[23:09] <siwon> haven't set that up yet
[23:10] <laga> well, "generic BDA" probably also means there's a windows driver which provides a special interface.. it'll have to work in linux :)
[23:10] <siwon> not so much into the tv part yet, just the media library access only for now
[23:10] <laga> ah
[23:11] <siwon> i'm using vistas media center which you know is ***, and i've tried mediaportal but its limited
[23:12] <siwon> so though i'd try linux and myth
[23:12] <siwon> but not to familar with linux
[23:13] <siwon> tried linuxmce but wow thats a lot of work and failed miserably at it
[23:14] <siwon> maybe in the future again i will try
[23:14] <siwon> so haow do i get it to see anything on my lan
[23:17] <laga> heh, sorry. i haven't used windows in ages. maybe someone else knows what mythbuntu uses by default :)
[23:43] <siwon> will mythbuntu repartition a drive that has windows on it successfully?
[23:44] <stu> can anyone tell me how to revert my mythtv OSD settings to default? I've messed around with the fonts and now I cant get it to look decent anymore
[23:45] <siwon> sory
[23:52] <foxbuntu> stu, there is not revert to default option, you just have to put them back
[23:52] <foxbuntu> stu, sorry i had to run off, howd the updates work out?