[00:00] * Myrtti has a sudden flash of comprehension [00:00] *WOW* [00:02] zazen is a dish best served cold. [00:23] Minataku called the ops in #kubuntu-offtopic () [00:40] * popey giggles at the comments on mneptoks blog [00:41] * stdin starts to dislike #kubuntu-offtopic more than usual [00:43] popey: frickin' claaaaasic [00:44] :) [00:44] * mneptok just replied to the zanies [00:44] quoting mark at you has to be a personal achievement [00:45] i guess they missed the "*After* reading this thread..." bit [00:46] or, they assume they mean "i skimmed through the comments that reenforced my preexisting beliefs" when i say "read." [00:46] because, you know, that's how the Internet works before puberty ends. [00:47] *assume i mean [00:49] and you're just some random blogger [00:50] i hope to meet Mark Shuttleworth someday. his OS rocks, and he looks like he has a cute butt. [00:50] haha [00:50] *eyeroll* [00:51] That bulge is his wallet [00:51] $huttleworth [01:17] In #ubuntu, Jack_Sparrow said: !broadcom is Help with broadcom wireless https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Feisty_No-Fluff [01:17] feisty? [01:17] That is the link that bcm434 has been using with success [01:17] That is the link that user bcm43 has been using with success [02:42] is anyone else getting spammed by that john_bra idiot? [02:45] IndyGunFreak: via pm? [02:45] vorian: yes.. he must be on freenode somewhere, is my guess [02:46] IndyGunFreak: thanks :) [02:46] vorian: i don't see him in any of the ubuntu channels, thus why i guess he's somewhere else on freenode. [02:46] !staff ^^^^ [02:46] Factoid staff ^^^^ not found [02:46] ;lghsi oi [02:46] * vorian waves at mneptok :) [02:46] !staff [02:46] Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary or PriceChild, I could use a bit of your time :) [02:47] ah, ok [02:47] sigh [02:47] vorian: didn't know you had an o: [02:47] mneptok: nice hackergotchi btw :) [02:48] :) [02:50] klined (john_bra that is) [02:50] now i shall toodle off to sleep [02:51] thanks for heads up IndyGunFreak [02:56] Seems to be evading quite a bit though. [02:59] Appears to have given up for the moment. *goes back to trying to sleep* [03:18] In #kubuntu, angasule said: ubottu no es is it should be "por favor entre a los canales", "en los canales" is wrong there (I hope the bot grabs this message :) ) [03:20] please ignore that. MagicFab has cofirmed the spanish is more than inteeligible [03:21] speaking of spanish: I've heard more than once that !es is somewhat derogatory: [03:24] * mneptok asks Fab's opinion on that [03:24] !es [03:24] Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda. [03:24] @btlogin [03:28] ubottu: no es is En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es. [03:28] I'll remember that mneptok [03:28] !es [03:28] En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es. [03:28] what did the original mean? Something like we're sadly limited to english? [03:28] "We speak only English here." [03:29] sorta ... dismissive. [03:29] yeah, one guy was laughing all over the place, urged me to get it changed [03:30] and so you have. go claim your lager. :) [03:30] heh. Root beer for this guy, I'm watching my figure [03:47] @btlogin [04:11] !anyone [04:11] A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? [04:16] !ong_bazz_devourer_of_light [04:16] mneptok: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [04:58] pleia2: it iz! be afraid, be very afraid! [05:01] * ajmitch fears the Hobbsee [05:02] and so you should. [06:15] we have nothing to fear but fear itself [06:16] so Hobbsee == fear? [06:16] * nickrud eyes the pointy stick [06:16] * nickrud says nothing [06:18] * nickrud hopes people understand his weird sense of humor [06:19] * ajmitch does not understand [06:19] oh, I meant regular people ;) [06:19] Hey, I'm normal [06:20] Hobbsee: don't laugh [06:21] ooh, i can though? haha! [06:22] :P [06:22] elky_work: mean [06:42] In ubottu, lut4rp said: lut4rp is a F/OSS hacker! [06:42] heh. nice try [06:53] mneptok: all it took was a freetard troll to get you to break your two-year blogging drought? [06:54] nickrud: yeah... he cant even spell FOSS or F/LOSS [07:03] moin [07:33] SNuxoll called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (define flooding to z0man) [08:21] morning all [08:21] morning dear [08:22] * Myrtti huggles all [08:22] :) [08:53] !prayer [08:53] Dear $DEITY, Give me strength to understand and work with users who question my logic, the rules, netiquette and common sense. Give me resilience to teach them the basics of Linux, Ubuntu, Community Guidelines and IRC. Allow me not to stray to nitpicking, argument, foul language or leisure op abuse. Deliver me my daily xkcd, User Friendly, LWN, /. and Planet Ubuntu, and guard over my encrypted drives. Let it be so. [09:03] *SIGH* [09:03] I've become too old and cranky for the Finnish Ubuntu community [09:19] and I feel chilly too. [09:37] for crying out loud. [09:38] idiocy almost makes me cry [09:43] * Hobbsee smashes the idiots with a brick [09:43] (the non-ubuntu ones, that is( [09:44] there's a person now in #ubuntu-offtopic that was so happy that he could order accessibility cd-pack from Microsoft containing 3 CD-ROMs [09:44] and he ordered them to all his friends, and used the cd's he got himself to build a bird repellent mobile [09:45] "figures he can make a dent to microsoft profits" [09:45] * Myrtti headdesks [09:48] ;___; [12:11] miumiu [12:11] :-> [12:13] Myrtti, so microsoft is discovering what happens to a fair proportion of canonical's shipit budget? [12:16] I don't know about that, but my point was that every Linux/Ubuntu user is an ambassador and by doing stunts like that with $proprietary_software_vendor PR/addon/whatever free stuff/events is tarnishing the image and pushing people away from "us" and making them sympathize with $proprietary_software_vendor [12:17] When Vista was announced, people here in Finland first planned to go to their pr tent at the capital main market square distributing Ubuntu CD's [12:17] which is a good idea if you don't think of it more than 5 minutes [12:18] after that you remember how it feels if you were a, say, churchgoer and hare krishnas or whatever had made a camp to the church doorsteps [12:18] jrib: i think that guy is boarderlining on troll at this point we gave him a bunch of ways to install the package. [12:31] Myrtti, I still like the AOL CD throne though [12:31] hmmm? [12:31] Myrtti, like the canadian team at the microsoft ice house thingiemadoobie? [12:32] I've not seen that [12:32] http://stupidco.com/aol_throne_intro.html [12:33] well, I remember AOL sent those disks when I was in US, an that was 12 years ago [12:33] without people asking for them [12:34] but the $adjective in u-ot specifically ordered them [12:34] Myrtti, http://tonyyarusso.com/planetubuntu/ubuntu-canada%E2%80%99s-toronto-chapter-brings-penguin-ice-house [12:34] and note: Microsoft Accessibility products [12:34] yes, I know it's an oxymoron, but [12:35] I still don't like the idea of wasting energy, resources and software cd's that someone might actually want to use to the purpose they were meant to [12:36] Myrtti, have you ever used Microsoft Sam? [12:36] AOL frisbees are free to be abused since they weren't ordered, they came unsolicited [12:37] * Pici wonders how many tons of trash AOL has created with free CDs... [12:37] elkbuntu: no [12:40] Can we get the ubottu factoid page in !ubottu [12:40] Pici: go ahead and change it :) [12:40] * Myrtti gives Pici a panda [12:41] or at least suggest a change.. [12:41] I'm writing one... ;) [12:41] Panda friendly, of course. [12:41] Pici is lost in the factoid factory [12:41] :D [12:41] !pici [12:41] pici is stuck in a factoid factory! Send help! [12:42] :D [12:42] * Myrtti summons more pandas [12:42] lol [12:42] SUMMON OPS! [12:42] * Myrtti summons an op, "Pici" [12:43] * Mez wants some drugs too [12:43] [12:43] I wonder how much mana casting a Pici would require [12:44] yay! Im getting my mini radio controlled helicopters tonight :D [12:44] jussi01: has the verkkokauppa opened up there already? [12:44] !ot [12:44] #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome! [12:44] Mez: you're ruining the fun [12:45] !ot [12:45] @lart mez [12:45] I'd like to be a woodcat. 3 forests, 4/4. [12:45] @lart mez [12:45] "Meaow" [12:45] sigh [12:45] And the magical fairies came in and stole the crown from underneath the apple tree... [12:46] * ubottu smacks mez with a vista DVD. COOTIES! [12:46] * ubottu forces mez to use perl for 3 weeks [12:46] he's having a flu [12:46] ooops [12:46] she... [12:46] grrr [12:46] SHE is having a flu [12:46] or a headache [12:46] How did the old ubotu message go? [12:46] hold on [12:46] ubot3: bot [12:46] I am ubottu, the all-knowing infobot, standing in for ubotu while he's getting his haircut done, nose powdered, updated and transitioned to his new gorgeous looks in the near future ;) [12:46] damn. [12:47] Myrtti: Im getting them in the mail :D [12:47] <+Pici> How did the old ubotu message go? <-- ? [12:47] jussi01: lol [12:47] Mez: when ubottu was ubotu.. !ubotu ubotued ubot? [12:47] "to perform a seppuku and to see what's inside of me, see http:// " [12:47] :-D [12:48] whatever [12:48] hah [12:48] * Myrtti hides, gets more COFFEEEEEE [12:48] POIT [12:48] Pici: [04:07] I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [12:49] jussi01: thankye [12:49] :) [12:50] !ubottu [12:50] Hi! I'm #ubuntu-ops's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://jussi01.com/web/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [12:50] feel free to change favorite to your prefered international spelling [12:50] * Mez trys to remember what things he needs to install [12:50] !bot [12:50] Hi! I'm #ubuntu-ops's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://jussi01.com/web/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [12:51] Pici: nice [12:51] ;__; [12:51] although I get hilighted everytime that is called... sigh [12:51] Fix your hilights ;) [12:51] I so need a new nick now... [12:52] or a new domain [12:52] na [12:52] nicks are free, domains are not [12:52] * Myrtti installs LaTeX and all it's recommended packages to Mez's laptop [12:52] I could just go back to she_said .... [12:53] :P [12:53] * Myrtti changes jussi01's nick to jussi_rillyrilly_from_AU [12:53] * Mez sighs and gets pissed off at the laptop. [12:53] LOL [12:53] thas frozen a fucking gain [12:53] * Myrtti snickers [12:54] *hands a hairblower to Mez* [12:54] warm it up, dear [12:54] no seriously though... it is the most annoying bug ever [12:54] * jussi01 raises an eyebrow at liassist in -irc... [12:57] mind if I raise both of mine [12:57] o_o [12:57] I know that people might have a wish for becoming an op [12:58] but I also know that it's 1) earned 2) not something you end up wanting after a while :-P [12:58] * Hobbsee wonders what happened? [12:58] Hobbsee: Just someone asking for ops in -irc [12:58] ops for #ubuntu [12:59] the same person who wanted to run a bot earlier [12:59] My logs show he asked the same thing in here a few days ago too [12:59] Myrtti: ah right. [12:59] * Myrtti rolls her eyes [12:59] !instantrimshot [12:59] Factoid instantrimshot not found [13:00] must ... resist ... the big ... red button ... [13:01] * Hobbsee smacks Myrttifingers [13:01] * Pici hits the button and runs [13:01] @login [13:01] Myrtti: The operation succeeded. [13:01] !instantrimshot is foo [13:01] I'll remember that, Myrtti [13:02] oh socks. [13:02] * jussi01 sighs... has anyone here installed xrms before? [13:03] !no instantrimshot is bachunpadam. http://instantrimshot.com/ [13:03] I'll remember that Myrtti [13:03] !no instantrimshot is * Hobbsee smacks Myrttifingers. BAD MYRTTI! [13:03] I'll remember that Hobbsee [13:03] awww [13:03] ;___; [13:03] !no instantrimshot is bachunpadam. http://instantrimshot.com/ [13:03] juuuuuusssii hobbsee is teasing me [13:03] * Myrtti points at Hobbsee [13:04] KIDS!!! [13:04] jussi01: get off my lawn! [13:04] @lart Hobbsee [13:04] * ubottu pierces Hobbsee's nose with a rusty paper hole puncher [13:04] jussi01: xrms is awful, don't :) [13:04] :O [13:04] . o O { rotten punk kid } [13:04] pleia2: suggestions for something better? [13:04] lol [13:05] * Hobbsee tried a mac for the first time today [13:05] That sounds painful [13:05] it was. very. [13:05] er, The rusty hole puncher, not the mac... but probably that too. [13:05] jussi01: alas, no - but we're migrating away from it at work as soon as we can.. the database structure is just nuts [13:05] * Hobbsee fails to see why others want to take on the mac UI. [13:06] pleia2: arrghh.. I was looking for something open - I just need something, I wish there was somehing in the repos, but I certainly cant find it... [13:07] jussi01: hmmm sugarcrm? [13:07] or... [13:07] what was that one... [13:07] joomla? [13:07] no [13:08] !info joomla [13:08] Package joomla does not exist in hardy [13:11] http://www.sugarcrm.com/crm/community/sugarcrm-community.html [13:11] * Pici hrms at #freenode [13:14] * jussi01 raises mor eyebrows... [13:14] Myrtti: thanks [13:15] the sugarcrm community here in Finland is quite strong and it's got commercial support and translation [13:16] Myrtti: its for my dad in australia... [13:16] :-) [13:16] * jussi01 cues PriceChild accusing me of not being an aussie again... [13:17] these are those moments I feel like a Tweety-bird [13:18] I see jussi01 poking to the cage with a mischevious looks, I look at the camera and say "I think I taw an Aussie. *looks again* IT IS, IT IS!" [13:18] hehe [13:19] aaawwww Myrtti you scared him off... [13:19] awwww. [13:19] big deal. :-P [13:22] * elkbuntu cues Baby Sinclair... "nota aussie" [13:23] * Hobbsee wonders if jussi01 is a new zealander. [13:23] Hobbsee: !!!!!! How dare you insult me like that :P [13:23] I should've taken a videoshot of him [13:24] him talking and walking would prove it [13:24] whats so special about my walking? [13:24] wannabe aussies are generally new zealanders. just ask ajmitch [13:24] I bet that if you'd luminate jussi01's forehead with uv light, you'd see an invisible tattoo that says "100% aussie" [13:52] *snap* [13:53] eek [13:54] afternoon all [13:58] afternoon ikonia [14:10] * Myrtti sighs [14:10] o/ [14:10] * Pici thinks we should start suggesting the use of aptitude over apt-get because by default aptitude installs reccomends [14:11] people should start using synaptic [14:11] Pici: apt-get does in Intrepid... [14:11] and stop think it is "l33t" to use apt-get [14:11] people should also stop installing the server product for home servers because they think they need it to make a server [14:11] apturl! [14:11] wgrant: I know, thats what reminded me [14:12] someone at xubuntu said that aptitude messes synaptic somehow and for that you should use apt-get [14:12] I didn't get the explanation [14:12] I'd like to hear it... [14:12] Messes? [14:12] As would I. [14:12] As it sounds completely wrong. [14:13] different backends or sumthin [14:13] o.O [14:13] I can't claim to know everything about apt, but that doesnt sound right at all. [14:13] * wgrant is in agreement with Pici. [14:14] /var/lib/dpkg/available [14:14] as I look at my unfinished final paper [14:14] Pici I thought the ubuntu version of apt-get did include those... Ours isnt the same as other distro apt-get.. from what I was told [14:15] Jack_Sparrow: Only since a couple of days ago in Intrepid does apt-get install recommends by default. === Jucato_ is now known as Jucato [14:31] wgrant, I dont agree with that personally. [14:32] But that's a new debian thing [14:33] Mez: Don't agree with what? [14:33] Installing recommends? [14:33] I remember that when installing ipython on my server it wanted to pull in xorg because it was somewhere down the line of recommends [14:34] Mez: If it's installing things you don't want, they probably shouldn't be recommended. [14:34] I honestly have to wonder if bzr really needs all that junk that it pulled with it when I installed it yesterday [14:35] It'd say that bzrtools and python-paramiko should be dropped to suggests now. [14:35] *I'd [14:35] But otherwise its dependencies are quite small. [14:36] What did you think was excessive, Myrtti? [14:37] well... [14:37] [INSTALL, DEPENDENCIES] ttf-dejavu-extra [14:38] [INSTALL, DEPENDENCIES] graphviz [14:38] *shrug* [14:38] Uh. [14:38] Ah. [14:38] I see. [14:38] That's bzrtools for you. [14:39] innit NICE?! [14:39] As I said, it should probably be suggested. [14:39] it's virtual server with 3G /dev/sda [14:39] I rilly luv that [14:39] or was it 4 [14:39] For that sort of setup, you probably don't want recommends installed by default, so turn them off. [14:40] I don't remember putting them on in the first place [14:40] It's easier for users who know what they're doing to disable it, than let users who have no clue work out why most of the features of their app don't work by default. [14:40] aptitude has installed Recommends by default for some time. [14:40] btw, hardy [14:40] okies [14:40] bummer [14:41] wgrant, indeed - installing reccoments... and while it'd be nice - I don't think some packages are gonna be good in that respect. I think a few are going to have issues... or install too much crap, because they're not used to the reccomends being installed automatically. [14:42] Mez: Right, but we need to do it at some point. [14:43] indeed. I dont agree with it in debian either to be fair... [14:43] I still think that there are going to be issues. [14:43] What issues? [14:43] A bit too much stuff is installed on some testers' systems. [14:43] Oh dear. [14:43] They'll then complain to the maintainer, who will then fix the dependencies. [14:43] *recommends [14:44] Mez: isn't that a moot point? it's already done in intrepid, and is done ind ebian. [14:45] Hobbsee, I forsee it pissing off a lot of people (if there's not a nice easy checkbox to turn it off) [14:45] Mez: This is why we do it early. [14:45] So it can piss of testers and we can get packages fixed. [14:45] Before the wider world dies of it. [14:45] argh... [14:45] over an hour to grow a partition it took a minute to shrink ;9 [14:45] :(* [14:46] Mez: shrinking partitions !!! crazy [14:46] * jpds hugs Mez [14:47] now, how do I get rid of the crud aptitude has installed without asking me explicitly? [14:47] ikonia, shrinking a windows partition... [14:47] now re-growing it so can take it back to shop and not have them bitch about me voiding warranty [14:47] oh [14:47] Myrtti: See the post to -devel within the last 24 hours. [14:47] Mez: Resizing a partition voids the warranty? [14:48] Lovely. [14:48] wgrant, no - installing Linux does [14:48] ... [14:48] http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39289241,00.htm [14:50] * wgrant is glad to not deal with such braindead retailers. [14:50] After this operation, 60.5MB disk space will be freed. ♥ [14:51] I IZ HAPPY [14:51] * Myrtti hugglez wgrant [14:51] wgrant, it gets worse... this laptop - 4/5 boots it tells me the wireless card doesnt exist. [14:51] wgrant, and guess when I got it? [14:52] last night... as a replacement for another faulty laptop... [14:52] Mez: Hahah. [14:52] wgrant... I think I'm going for the refund now... [14:52] * wgrant hugs Myrtti. [14:52] which'll take a week to get back to me [14:52] Mez: Probably a good idea. [14:52] * Mez sighs [14:53] =^___^= [14:53] meaow [14:54] * wgrant sends his two cats after Myrtti. [14:54] * Hobbsee pinches them [14:54] *purrrrrsssss* [14:55] * Hobbsee pets Myrtti [15:00] genii called the ops in #kubuntu (administrator (spam)) [15:12] oh that thing is so much fun... [15:27] How many active kubuntu ops do we have? [15:28] 6or 7 iirc [15:29] not many [15:29] Maybe #kubuntu-ops should forward here? [15:29] none during au timezones, either, i'll bet [15:29] Pici: ...it does. [15:29] [00:29] [470] #kubuntu-ops #ubuntu-ops Forwarding to another channel [15:29] Hobbsee: Oh... then my client didnt care to tell me that [15:30] [00:30] [Notice] -ChanServ- Mode lock : +imnstf #ubuntu-ops [15:30] hrm, Id say active are: jp.ds tm_t - (in a week when he has internet again,) nali.oth riddell (sometimes) Mez gnomefreak Juca.to std.in me Price.Child [15:31] hrm, why is the access list so screwed up looking? [15:31] jussi01, ... er... [15:31] @lart Jucato [15:31] * ubottu pulls out his louisville slugger and uses Jucato's head to break the homerun record [15:31] @lart jussi01 [15:31] * ubottu reads jussi01 some vogon poetry [15:31] hehehe [15:32] poor Jucato [15:32] <-- fail [15:32] !fail | Mez [15:32] Mez: FAILZ! [15:32] * Myrtti huggles all the ops [15:33] hmm - #kubuntu-ops = Kickban [15:33] and Ljl on access list (where IS Ljl? [15:33] lost [15:34] jussi01: because it's old [15:35] Hobbsee, something needs to be sorted [15:35] Mez: i know [15:35] Mez: I guess you are active, just not in there? [15:36] in -ops? [15:36] #kubuntu [15:36] I just dealt with the above spammer... [15:36] * Mez is in there, and I respond to them when I'm at my comp [15:37] * jussi01 is a slow typer, so usually others get there before me [15:37] jussi01: learn to touch type [15:37] * jpds is... HD-less [15:37] http://rafb.net/p/AF0LSB11.html [15:37] * Mez is in #kubuntu - but only responding to ops calls... [15:37] not actively monitoring [15:38] but then I dont actively monitor any channels currently [15:38] * jussi01 often is in there and #k-ot [15:38] I help out fairly often [15:39] * Mez is just responding to ops calls atm... I dont have time to monitor actively while at work [15:39] Mez: i have similar issues - but when I get home [15:39] jussi01, when I get home my net is shocking... or my laptop is evil [15:41] Hello KrazyKarl in #ubuntu, have you ever wanted to buy a bra for yourself, but just haven't had the time, confidence, courage, or money? Bras can be worn by men too, and we are the answer for you. We can fit you into a bra(or bras) just for you for your wearing pleasure. At Victoria's Secret IRC we offer many styles of bras for all purposes and sizes. Never go out without a bra again. Join #victoria'ssecret for more [15:41] on join spam [15:45] well, he's not there anymore [15:45] (if he ever was) [15:45] damn, where on earth is SeenServ [15:46] !seen [15:46] The seen function has not been operational for a long time. Use /msg seenserv seen nickname instead. [15:46] how do I get the impression it's not that... [15:47] Myrtti: he just wants an ego rub. feel free to oblige, if you really want. [15:56] * jpds "..."s -irc [15:56] jpds: whut... :-> [15:57] * nickrud thinks someone always takes the hook here ;) [15:58] Myrtti: he's responses are getting to random for me [15:59] yeah [16:02] !gparted is a !GUI partitioning program. Type « sudo apt-get install gparted » in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php [16:02]