[00:03] <owh> Nothing like IRC bonus commands :)
[01:35] <lukehasnoname> Everyone in bed?
[01:37] <owh> Nope
[01:38] <lukehasnoname> what's the name of that VM manager starts with an E
[01:46] <lukehasnoname> Is JeOS only available as 32 bit?
[01:56] <owh> Did you google?
[01:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> (or go to the download page?)
[02:42] <lukehasnoname> well yes, I went to the download page to only see i386. It just seems odd that they don't have 64 bit guests.
[05:48] <shelbyscates> hey guys
[05:48] <shelbyscates> i have ubuntu server hardy heron and my sound dosent work :(
[05:48] <shelbyscates> could someone pls hellp me make my sound work? :)
[05:53] <shelbyscates> sorry to be impatient :(
[05:58] <antdedyet> sound on a sever... ?
[05:58] <shelbyscates> well, i have desktop and server running on it
[05:58] <shelbyscates> i use wmii
[05:58] <shelbyscates> and im wirting a script to notify me when parts of my website have activity
[05:58] <shelbyscates> but one problem:
[05:58] <shelbyscates> aint no sound! :P
[05:59] <specialKevin> shelbyscates: I don't know if ubuntu server includes the sound packages
[06:00] <shelbyscates> i have ubuntu server & ubuntu desktop.
[06:00] <shelbyscates> if i boot into desktop, bam, no sound :(
[06:01] <shelbyscates> no sound nowherez!!!
[06:01]  * shelbyscates sobs 
[06:01] <specialKevin> shelbyscates: so you dual boot with ubuntu server and ubuntu desktop
[06:01] <specialKevin> or you have wmii install on top of ubuntu server
[06:03] <shelbyscates> well, i installed ubuntu server, then ubuntu desktop on top of it, so i have a weird hybrid desktop server, right now im using gnome and all i want to do is get some sound working
[06:03] <shelbyscates> :)
[06:04] <specialKevin> shelbyscates: what command did you use to install ubuntu desktop
[06:04] <specialKevin> also are you using the server kernel or the desktop kernel
[06:05] <specialKevin> shelbyscates: and the sound is not just muted
[06:05] <shelbyscates> yeah, its not, im using working speakers
[06:05] <shelbyscates> im not sure about the kernel, affter all, it does say its the ubuntu server kernel
[06:06] <shelbyscates> i installed ubuntu server regularly, then ran sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[06:06] <specialKevin> you might be running the ubuntu server kernel and I am not sure but it might not have the sound modules enabled
[06:07] <specialKevin> I am not sure
[06:07] <ajmitch> you may want to check linux-ubuntu-modules for the kernel you're running
[06:08] <shelbyscates> yup, server
[06:08] <shelbyscates> how do i enable the sound modules?
[06:08] <ajmitch> as in, do you have the right linux-ubuntu-modules package installed?
[06:09] <ajmitch> probably linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-18-server
[06:09] <shelbyscates> thats the one
[06:09] <shelbyscates> :)
[06:09] <shelbyscates> 2.6.24-18-server
[06:11] <shelbyscates> im sorry if im answering your questions wrong, im tired tonight
[06:13]  * ajmitch guesses that you'd find people more able to help with sound problems in #ubuntu
[06:13] <shelbyscates> okey dokey then... thanks
[08:13] <kraut> moin
[10:29] <CrummyGummy> Anybody got a good replacement for ipac-ng? I don't see it in Hardy.
[10:45] <_ruben> CrummyGummy: we moved away from ipac-ng because it didnt scale well enough for us .. using pmacct nowadays .. quite different approach, but much more suited for our needs/requirements
[10:47] <CrummyGummy> Thanks, I was wondering what was going on.
[10:47] <CrummyGummy> I'm upgradeing to hardy to see if it fixes the udev problem.
[10:48] <_ruben> ah, the changing nic problem?
[10:48] <CrummyGummy> yup
[10:48] <_ruben> what kind of nics are in that box?
[10:49] <CrummyGummy> thernet controller: Intel Corporation 82546GB Gigabit Ethernet Controller
[10:49] <CrummyGummy> and
[10:49] <CrummyGummy> Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5704 Gigabit Ethernet
[10:50] <_ruben> and what are the exact symptoms after a reboot? they swap places? or what?
[10:51] <CrummyGummy> eth2 becomes eth0_rename
[10:52] <_ruben> hmm .. and wat does your persistent_rules thingie file look like ?
[10:53] <CrummyGummy> http://www.pastebin.ca/1043884
[10:54] <_ruben> 2 dual port controllers ?
[10:54] <CrummyGummy> yes
[10:55] <_ruben> interesting
[10:56] <_ruben> definately smells like a bug
[10:57] <_ruben> CrummyGummy: there's one thing i'd try .. replace ethN by intN .. so eth0 -> int0 .. eth1 -> int1 .. that would prevent name clashes .. curious if that'd cause problems still
[10:57] <_ruben> in the persistent rules file that is (and /etc/network/interfaces, etc as well)
[10:58] <_ruben> my *guess* would be some sort of race condition caused by the loading of the 2 nic drivers, causing a clash when udev tries to rename them
[10:59] <CrummyGummy> sounds fair. The I'd have to change shorewall and a few other things. I'll wait for this upgrade to finish.
[11:38] <whistler> hi, i want to ask smt about SAMBA. Do I HAVE TO create a valid UNIX User just to share smb over windows network machines? I want to create a smb user only via smbpasswd command. How can i skip creating a unix user part? is there a way todo so ?
[11:55] <_ruben> CrummyGummy: the ethN -> intN change is a nasty workaround at best ofcourse, im also curious if the bug's reproducable in hardy .. i got a gutsy machine with 1 dual port and 1 quad port nic, without any problems, then again, i have those ifs renamed to int0/ext0/wlan0/etc
[11:56] <_ruben> (was out to lunch for a bit)
[11:57] <CrummyGummy> My other box hasn't had the same problem. But I'm understandably scared to reboot it at the moment as there are only two nodes in my failover configuration. I'll test a bit in Hardy and see if the same problem comes up before making the recomended changes. Now that you mention it it could be quite useful to have custom names.
[12:02] <_ruben> CrummyGummy: g'luck :)
[12:20] <CrummyGummy> _ruben: It did it again.... Changing names now.
[12:20] <_ruben> odd
[12:56] <Tophat> what should i have/read/look at in order to replace my windows 2003 server network, with a full linux/ubuntu network?  with it being rather easy transition for the users.
[12:58] <Bert_2> Hi, does anyone know of frontpage 2000 works with apache webdav ?
[13:00] <hotnuma> Tophat: you should try Samba 4 if you want an AD controller
[13:01] <Tophat> will samba allow me to keep my domains?  and the users will be able to log in the same as they always do?
[13:02] <hotnuma> Tophat: yes but Samba 4 is still in alpha stage, there is no printing support currently
[13:03] <hotnuma> Tophat: I have a Samba 4 server on a test machine, it seems promissing, but is not yet totally ready for production
[13:04] <Tophat> right on.
[13:04] <Tophat> i've used samba before to set my a NAS, and always had such a difficult time getting everything to communicate with my windows machines and adding new users.  hopefully samba 4 will resolve many issues.
[13:05] <hotnuma> I think so, yes
[13:07] <hotnuma> I tested roaming profiles, GPO and file sharing, it seems to work fine if correctly configured
[13:08] <Tophat> word
[13:08] <Tophat> thanks for your help :D
[13:08] <hotnuma> BTW, there's an experimental package for debian, I think, it is really new
[13:09] <Tophat> i must check it out then
[13:09] <Tophat> you know anything about building a raid server?
[13:09] <hotnuma> no, I'm sorry :(
[13:10] <_ruben> Tophat: what about it?
[13:10] <Tophat> ahah its all good
[13:10] <Tophat> i want to build a hardware raid server, but im not sure what parts i need.  i know mobo and all that jazz, but on the controller card.  do i need a seperate card for each drive?  or can i daisy-chain them together?
[13:11] <_ruben> you need a hardware raid controller with enough ports to hold all of the disks you want use in your raid setup
[13:13] <Tophat> right on, do you know what drives would be best for use on hot swaps and performance?
[13:15] <_ruben> depends on ur budget .. 15000rpm SAS disks are very nice
[13:16] <_ruben> fiberchannel is top of the line .. and bill
[13:16] <Tophat> right on. were looking to go maybe 2TB at most with around 1000$ budget (at most)...were at the mercy of the taxpayers so, its a little difficult to get stuff done.
[13:16] <_ruben> though at home i have several servers with 'standard' disks .. one with (old) 200GB ata disks .. and one with (slightly newer) 250GB sata disks
[13:17] <Deeps> $1000 on the disks, or $100 for the server total?
[13:17] <Deeps> $1000*
[13:17] <_ruben> here in holland you get 1TB drives for 120euro
[13:17] <_ruben> 3 of those in raid5 would yield ~2TB of storage
[13:18] <Tophat> total
[13:18] <Deeps> http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=85
[13:19] <Deeps> you might find that's more suitable
[13:20] <Tophat> ive seen this one before, and its not bad for the price, but ive gotta find a way of building this for almost half price.
[13:20]  * Tophat has a really really really strict budget.
[13:21] <Deeps> does the budget include the time it takes you to do it?
[13:21] <\sh> quality has its price...especially when you talk about storage and sata and raid
[13:21] <Deeps> or are you unpaid?
[13:22] <Tophat> no budget doesn't include time
[13:22] <\sh> if it's just a private playground...go for simple stuff...
[13:22] <Deeps> if you are paid, factor in the time you spend learning + setting up + configuring into the budget, vs paying a bit more for preconfigured kit
[13:22] <Deeps> if it's for your home, go for the 'fun' route and learn as you go
[13:23] <\sh> good machine, bad number cruncher, but reliable hardware: dl320s of HP...2U form factor..
[13:23] <Tophat> word.
[13:23] <Tophat> thanks guys/gals :]
[13:23] <Deeps> np
[13:24] <Deeps> that said, i just ordered one of those TS 409s for my house
[13:24] <Deeps> replace the pos synology diskstation
[13:52] <slim1> hello all, is there any documenation about how to install webdav on ubuntu-server ?
[13:53] <jpds> !webdav
[13:53] <jpds> hrmm
[13:54] <PanzerMKZ> !webdev
[13:54] <PanzerMKZ> hrmm
[14:00] <CrummyGummy> Well that didn't work that well. I have lost contact with my server :( That was less than ideal....
[14:02] <_ruben> ouch
[14:02] <_ruben> remote location?
[14:02] <CrummyGummy> Yip. And my cars in the shop. grrrr
[14:02] <\sh> remote location and no ILO or any other remote insight possibility?
[14:02]  * CrummyGummy slaps the panel beater.
[14:03] <CrummyGummy> \sh: I can reboot it etc but my sol doesn't work.
[14:03] <_ruben> jikes
[14:04] <\sh> you should have something like a remote console via eric or ilo or cyclades...without such things, never ever do an remote dist-upgrade ;)
[14:05] <CrummyGummy> The tso has that capability but so far its been mostly vague kernel errors. This was caused by changing the id of my network devices.
[14:06] <CrummyGummy> Proly pretty dumb in retrospect.
[14:06]  * CrummyGummy can be stupidly optimistic.
[14:07] <\sh> CrummyGummy: not as bad as one of my old customer and his cobald raq ;) "Well, I needed more space on the root device..so I moved /lib to /var/backup/lib" *sigh*
[14:07] <lukehasnoname> anyone else hate it when you forget the password to your server?
[14:07] <CrummyGummy> \sh: lol
[14:08] <_ruben> \sh: jikes :p
[14:09] <\sh> .oO(forgotten passwords? now I know why RHCEs training involves "hack your own server") ;)
[14:09] <CrummyGummy> lukehasnoname: Never done that my self. I do set the root password these days since I got locked out after using a -g instead of -G on grpmod. Locked all the admin out of sudoers.
[14:10] <\sh> CrummyGummy: the solution: reboot, grub -> e -> init=/bin/bash ... most distros are stupid ;)
[14:10] <lukehasnoname> \sh: Ya, it sucks. I don't know how, either, I've used the same admin pass for a year, I don't know if or why I'd change that now. CrummyGummy: rofl
[14:11] <CrummyGummy> Yeah, its an easy fix. Thankfully THAT one was local.
[14:11]  * CrummyGummy scratches his head at the thoroughly un-useful Centos/RH fw tool
[14:13] <lukehasnoname> no man entry for grpmod
[14:14] <CrummyGummy> Sorry, meant usermod
[14:28] <Brazen> It would be "groupmod", not "grpmod"
[14:30] <Brazen> but, yeah, it would have had to been usermod in this situation.
[14:40] <lukehasnoname> back
[14:40] <lukehasnoname> wow I was away for almost half an hour
[14:41] <_ruben> hope you didnt hold your breath during that period
[14:42] <lukehasnoname> nope... I was reading "Beginning Ubuntu Server Administration" in the breakroom
[14:44] <slim1> after some search i find something about webdav, from the first try i see it work,  maybe if someone neeed it http://www.digital-arcanist.com/sanctum/article.php?story=20070427101250622
[14:52]  * lukehasnoname hacks the server
[14:55]  * _ruben hacks the planet!
[14:57] <reya276> morning
[14:58] <reya276> I need some help connecting cyrus Imap, can anyone help troubleshoot this?
[14:58] <reya276> I currently have postfix running and it works great, but no IMAP connection
[15:00] <lamont> reya276: you need to install an imap server
[15:01] <reya276> I did I install cyrus
[15:01] <lamont> cyrus-imapd-2.2 ?
[15:01] <reya276> ﻿lamont: the issue is that cyrus for some reason is not working
[15:01] <reya276> lamont: yes
[15:01] <lamont> ah, ok
[15:02] <reya276> ﻿lamont:  hold let me show you what my mail log says
[15:02]  * lamont will have to let someone else help you figure out imap issues atm
[15:05] <\sh> hmm...?
[15:05] <\sh> cyrus-imapd doesn't work?
[15:05] <reya276> Well if anyone can help here is what the logs say: http://pastebin.org/43143
[15:06] <reya276> ﻿\sh:  yeah for some reason it does not, as it can't connect
[15:07] <\sh> reya276: the permissions of the files/dirs cyrus complains you checked already?
[15:08] <reya276> nope
[15:08] <reya276> what permissions should I give it
[15:08] <\sh> cyrus:mail most likely
[15:08] <reya276> one thing that I'm confused about, shouldn't Ubuntu set the permissions on first install
[15:09] <\sh> reya276: not for files which are created during runtime or through the admin..if admin doesn't call the cyrus binaries with sudo -i -u cyrus...uhm..you'll stuck with broken files
[15:09] <\sh> cyrus is no fun
[15:10] <reya276> so which IMAP can I use with postfix that is easy to use with UBuntu Hardy
[15:10] <\sh> reya276: but /etc/init.d/cyrus* start script should take you to the correct permissions and calls...if not, it's da beast again
[15:11] <\sh> reya276: depends what you want...for simple stuff dovecot or courier...for high end high traffic clusterization super duper imap: cyrus :)
[15:12] <\sh> for me it runs now for years..since 2000 to be precise and I took it from gentoo to ubuntu ;)
[15:12] <reya276> wow
[15:13] <reya276> how can I give my cyrus user access to ﻿/usr/lib/cyrus/*
[15:13] <melter> i'm trying to install ubuntu server on an all-scsi machine, including a scsi cd drive; is there a boot option i need to give to get it to recognize the cdrom drive?
[15:16] <\sh> reya276: you could add temporarily a /bin/bash to the user..and remove it later...
[15:17] <\sh> reya276: but /var/lib/cyrus looks more likely to be fixed before that ;)
[15:18] <reya276> ﻿\sh: fixed? what do you mean
[15:19] <\sh> reya276: the berkely dbs having wrong permissions, when I interpretate your paste...
[15:52] <spiekey> Hi
[15:53] <spiekey> we are using a E-Mail Proxy which we put in fron of our real mailserver...
[15:53] <spiekey> ...the proxy does some spam filtering and we also relay via this proxy...
[15:54] <spiekey> ...now i was told to "change your firewall settings to block connections to port 25 which do not come from the proxy"
[15:54] <spiekey> -> in order to avoid mails going to my e-mail server directly.
[15:54] <spiekey> this can´t be right! Can it? i would not be able to connect to my Mailserver with my e-mail clients anymore?!
[15:58] <sommer> spiekey: is the mx for your domain pointing to the proxy mail server?
[15:59] <spiekey> yes
[15:59] <sommer> then it should be fine to block the port to you other mail server... mail from the outside will go to the proxy then on to the main mail server
[16:00] <Deeps> wont be able to send mail via that server anymore though
[16:00] <spiekey> sommer: thats the inbound mail
[16:00] <sommer> spiekey: probably a good idea to have two proxies though :)
[16:00] <spiekey> what about my clients? They connect via smtp to my E-Mailserver directly
[16:01] <sommer> spiekey: from the outside?
[16:01] <spiekey> yes, our mailserver is hosted in the big bad world :)
[16:02] <sommer> ah, then I wouldn't close the port
[16:02] <spiekey> hehe, okay :)
[16:02] <spiekey> i could reject incoming mails via postfix, right?!
[16:02] <spiekey> reject all incoming mails except my email-proxy ip
[16:03] <sommer> I'd think so, not sure how exactly to configure that though
[16:03] <spiekey> i think i know :)
[16:04] <ScottK> spiekey: Open port 587 (the submission port) and have your external users get to it that way.
[16:04] <spiekey> thanks sommer
[16:05] <spiekey> ScottK: i never heard of that port :)
[16:06]  * ScottK hands spiekey RFC 2476 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2476.txt
[16:12] <spiekey> thx
[16:13] <nooga> hi
[16:13] <melter> hello
[16:13] <spiekey> hiho
[16:13] <nooga> i would like to know if a specific RAID controller would work with ubuntu
[16:13] <nooga> tried to search it's name and 'ubuntu' on google
[16:14] <nooga> but it gives no results
[16:14] <nooga> is there any way to find it out?
[16:14] <vikram> raid controller?
[16:14] <nooga> i mean
[16:15] <vikram> you mean like an Adaptec raid controller card?
[16:15] <nooga> yea, it's PROMISE FastTrak SX8300 to be precise
[16:16] <vikram> i have seen a promise driver kicking around in the 2.6.xx
[16:16] <vikram> not sure how good it is
[16:16] <vikram> did you try it out yet, or are you looking to buy?
[16:16] <vikram> if you are looking to buy, dont buy crap like that
[16:16] <ScottK> spiekey: More and more ISPs are blocking port 25 outbound, so you'll probably have to enable Submission at some point anyway.
[16:17] <nooga> i'm looking to buy it
[16:17] <nooga> and the model is rather a choice of my boss
[16:18] <spiekey> we have made really goog experiences with the 3ware raid controllers
[16:18] <vikram> then an email to Silicon Image should solve your problem
[16:18] <spiekey> goog/good  and they are cheap :)
[16:20] <nooga> why Silicon Image O_O?
[16:20] <vikram> dont they own Promise?
[16:20] <nooga> hmm, it appears that promise products are even cheaper than 3ware ;]
[16:21] <vikram> 3ware has a descent name for itself in industry
[16:21] <vikram> Promise doesnt
[16:21] <vikram> Promise make a lot of chips for typerwriter boards that asrock, ecs and friends sell
[16:21] <nooga> i have heard that this promise controller works well under fedora and suse
[16:22] <vikram> but then again, la creme de la creme is Adaptec
[16:23] <nooga> so maybe if it works under fedora, there is a chance that it will work under ubu ...
[16:24] <lukehasnoname> hm
[16:24] <nooga> how about Adaptec Serial ATA II RAID 2820SA bulk (8xSATA-II)?
[16:25] <lukehasnoname> Do you think a US based ISP that promises "No data caps, no ports blocked" would be profitable?
[16:25] <lukehasnoname> think about it
[16:27] <nooga> vikram?
[16:29] <vikram> looks descent
[16:29] <vikram> your safe with an adaptec card, its defacto for enterprise
[16:31] <nooga> vikram: thx
[16:33] <vikram> you can get adaptec raid cards with 512mb of cache, and with 32mb of cache on the average sas drive these days, a raid5 setup across 4 or 5 disks, is scarily fast
[16:39] <nooga> i need sth for 8 drives :>
[16:43] <nooga> okay, thank you and have a nice day
[16:50] <ScottK> lukehasnoname: At the correct price point, yes.
[16:51] <lukehasnoname> sweet
[16:51] <lukehasnoname> I'm on it
[16:51] <lukehasnoname> If I get all my hardware fron Trendnet and ECS, I'll be good
[17:00] <ScottK> lukehasnoname: One key point though:  It also needs to quickly and effectively kill off spammers so that they don't pollute the reputation of neighboring net blocks.
[17:00] <melter> is there a boot option to get the installer to recognize my scsi cd-rom drive?
[17:16] <AlexC_> hey all
[17:17] <AlexC_> I've recently removed ClamAV/Amavis from my setup - however, Postfix will no longer send emails, in the logs I get the following:  postfix/smtp[18350]: connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]: Connection refused (port 10024)
[17:18] <AlexC_> and below it: postfix/smtp[18350]: 04522241833F: to=<email@mail.domain.com>, orig_to=<email@domain.com>, relay=none, delay=0.2, delays=0.2/0.01/0/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]: Connection refused)
[17:20] <AlexC_> ahh I think I know why, forgot to remove something from /etc/postfix/main.cf
[17:20] <mathiaz> nijaba: not real progress
[17:21] <nijaba> mathiaz: thanks.  did you upload anything?
[17:21] <ScottK> AlexC_: Yes.  You did.
[17:21] <AlexC_> ScottK, =3 yeah, the Amavis line, fixed it now
[17:21] <ScottK> OK.
[17:21] <ScottK> AlexC_: Why did you remove it?
[17:22] <AlexC_> ScottK, content_filter = smtp-amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10024
[17:23] <mathiaz> nijaba: nope - I've got some code somewhere - but just the begining of something.
[17:24] <nijaba> mathiaz: ok.  I'd love to help when you got something suitable for a first upload
[17:25] <ScottK> AlexC_: Not what, why?
[17:25] <ScottK> I'm curious if there's something we should be doing better on.
[17:25] <AlexC_> ScottK, doh, mis-read. ClamAV/Amavis was just using so so much ram
[17:26] <ScottK> AlexC_: You might try clamsmtp.  If you just want clam, it's more RAM efficient than amavisd-new.
[17:26] <AlexC_> ScottK, interesting, I'll look into that
[17:28] <mathiaz> nijaba: sure - I'll have to revisit that project some time during the release
[17:29] <nijaba> mathiaz: should we spec it somewhere?
[17:31] <mathiaz> nijaba: that would help IMO.
[17:32] <mathiaz> nijaba: At least to flesh out the use cases and may the interface
[17:32] <nijaba> mathiaz: ok I'll work on this tonight then ;)
[17:32] <mathiaz> nijaba: awesome - thanks :)
[17:32]  * nijaba was just looking for something to do tonight ;)
[17:35] <kirkland> mathiaz: hey, some good news on the Debian LSB status_of_proc() front...
[17:35] <kirkland> mathiaz: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=483285
[17:35] <kirkland> mathiaz: the maintainer is open to the idea
[17:35] <kirkland> mathiaz: even supportive
[17:36] <melter> when i choose "Install Ubuntu Server" from the cd menu, the server locks up, is there a way to find out what's causing it?
[17:36] <kirkland> melter: you can view whats going on from one of the other tty's
[17:37] <kirkland> melter: try hitting <ctrl><alt>F2 ... F3 ... F4 ... F5 ... F6 ..
[17:38] <melter> kirkland, all i see on all ttys is the blinking cursor in the upper left corner
[17:41] <kirkland> melter: when you boot the cd again, from the bootloader menu, edit the boot options
[17:41] <kirkland> melter: you can add "debug=1" to see more kernel debugging messages
[17:41] <kirkland> melter: also, remove "quiet" and "splash" if present on the kernel boot line
[17:41] <melter> kirkland, after the "--" ?
[17:41] <kirkland> melter: sure
[17:42] <melter> ok
[17:46] <mathiaz> kirkland: that looks great
[17:46] <melter> kirkland, i removed "quiet" and added "debug=1" after "--", and now the installer starts just fine
[17:46] <kirkland> mathiaz: on the right track, at least
[17:46] <kirkland> melter: hmm, possibly a problem with the splash screen and your video card/monitor
[17:47] <kirkland> mathiaz: i think there's a "safe graphics" option or some such
[17:47] <melter> kirkland, ah, ok, it's an old machine being used through a kvm
[17:47] <melter> kirkland, thanks
[17:48] <kirkland> melter: kvm could be the problem
[17:48] <kirkland> melter: i mean, throwing that into the mix could mess up graphics autodetection
[17:48] <Deeps> you might find xen a better option than kvm if you're using old hardware (ie, a cpu that doesn't have virtualisation extentions)
[17:49] <Deeps> iirc, kvm reverts to (slow) qemu mode in the event of no vt extentions present
[17:49] <kirkland> Deeps: i think melter means keyboard-video-mouse?
[17:49] <Deeps> oh, haha
[17:49] <Deeps> silly me
[18:04] <arakthor> If I have 2 NICs in my server, and both are static one assigned to 192.168.0.20 and the other .100, but they are seperate physical networks, will ubuntu be able to deal with that?
[18:06] <mathiaz> Koon: WSUS-like package ?
[18:06] <Koon> mathiaz: Windows Update server
[18:06] <Koon> mathiaz: we discussed it when we discussed auto-update
[18:06] <mathiaz> Koon: hm - I'm not sure what you're refering to exactly - but nijaba is currently writing a spec about something similar
[18:07] <vikram> .deb uses spec files?
[18:07] <mathiaz> Koon: where you can move packages from one rep to another (like unstable->testing->stable)
[18:07] <Koon> tools that help maintaining package mirrors, moving tested packages from preprod to prod areas
[18:07] <mathiaz> Koon: using a web interface
[18:07] <Koon> yes
[18:07] <mathiaz> Koon: ok - nijaba is working on this spec tonight
[18:08] <mathiaz> Koon: we had a quick chat about it about an hour ago here
[18:08] <Koon> mathiaz: great, I wouldn't want that one to slip through
[18:08] <Koon> hm.. I mean to be forgotten
[18:09] <mathiaz> vikram: nope - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/PackagingOverview
[18:27]  * delcoyote hi
[18:39] <lukehasnoname> ScottK: That will be a big job
[18:41] <ScottK> lukehasnoname: Good access in a good neighborhood is worth something.  Good access in a bad neighborhood is worth much less.
[18:58] <lukehasnoname> scottk: Nothing some open sauce can't fix, right?
[18:58] <ScottK> Sure and a fair amount of hard work.
[18:58] <lukehasnoname> hm...
[18:59] <lukehasnoname> The initial capital required to set up a privately owned fiber optic network over even a large city would be enormous
[18:59] <lukehasnoname> Even more so if it attempts to be decentralised
[19:31] <danshearer> Sometimes the simple things in life are best: here's a central bash logger implemented in a moderate-sized network
[19:31] <danshearer> http://shearer.org/Cloba
[19:31] <danshearer> Makes some people happy anyway -)
[19:34] <lukehasnoname> Interesting
[19:35] <danshearer> I recommend dev-type ppl run one of the solutions given on their laptops, can save re-inventing lots of wheels.
[19:35] <danshearer> Does for me anyway.
[19:42] <maw_> how do I check my 'flowcontrol' status for nic?
[19:44] <Accio> hi :þ
[19:45] <danshearer> maw_: not 100% sure what flowcontrol means here but  sudo ethtool eth0 tells you about link modes (eg duplex)
[19:45] <Accio> i have installed ubuntu server 7.10.. can i have a raid 0 ?
[19:46] <Accio> whit 2 ide disk
[19:47] <maw_> danshearer: thanks, that info is sometimes in 'ifconfig' but I couldnt find it
[19:48] <danshearer> maw_: instead of 'ifconfig' consider 'ip -s link show'
[19:50] <maw_> ah interesting
[19:50] <maw_> thanks
[19:50] <maw_> too many tools that all do similar, but slightly different things :\
[19:54] <maw_> danshearer: 'dmesg' revealed the status of flow control on my NICs
[19:58] <danshearer> maw_: ah, what you wanted was 'mii-tool eth0'
[19:58] <danshearer> maw_: I thought ethtool had completely superceded it but not for Flow Control.
[19:59] <danshearer> maw_: Is this correct on your system?
[20:00] <maw_> I don't have mii-tool on this server (SLES10). It probably exists on Ubuntu though :P
[20:01] <danshearer> Ky impression is that mii-tool is deprecated.
[20:01] <danshearer> My
[20:01] <maw_> I wasn't even aware of the tool
[20:02] <maw_> FreeBSD allows you to do most of these things with ifconfig
[20:02] <maw_> hence my linux confusion
[20:06] <danshearer> maw_: ifconfig on non-Linux OSs has to jam in functionality of new standards, and succeeds to a greater or lesser degree
[20:07] <danshearer> maw_: depending on the OS. On Linux the iproute package (command 'ip') replaces route, arp, ifconfig etc. In other words ip is
[20:07] <danshearer> maw_: a superset of ifconfig. On linux ifconfig has been ported to use the same interfaces as ip, just a much smaller range.
[20:08] <danshearer> maw_: From time to time (I presume it still happens?) people talk about replacing ifconfig altogether on Linux and say "why does anyone
[20:08] <danshearer> maw_: still use that old thing?" :-)
[20:11] <maw_> thanks for the heads up
[20:11] <maw_> I have been primarily using ifconfig
[20:11] <maw_> I will read into the 'ip' toolset
[20:30] <leonel> I see that postgresql 8.2.9 for gutsy was  accepted   what happened to  8.2.8 ??  and  8.3.3 for hardy is comming  what happened to 8.3.2   since the current PostgreSQL  releases are  8.3.1 and  8.2.7  anyone knows ??
[20:44] <lukehasnoname> so I've been chatting up a few guys from the Enomalism (Web based Vm/server manager)
[20:46] <lukehasnoname> http://www.enomalism.com/features/
[21:23] <nijaba> mathiaz: could you have a look at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/webmirrormanager ?
[21:29] <AFJUSD> ﻿can anyone assist me in integrating Ubuntu 8.04 with and Active Directory Network?
[21:31] <sommer> AFJUSD: you should take a look at likewise-open: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/likewise-open.html
[21:32] <lukehasnoname> nijaba: Something like that would be nice to be a PART of the server mgt software that is in the planning
[21:33] <nijaba> lukehasnoname: small steps...
[21:33] <lukehasnoname> Well, yes. Assuming both projects are structured properly, it shouldn't be tough to integrate
[21:34] <lukehasnoname> nijaba: In fact, I'll be downloading a mirror soon, and was wondering about the same things you mention wanting to achieve with your suggestion
[21:35] <AFJUSD> TY, I have Likewise-Open installed and can successfully join to my domain. However to implement Ubuntu on our students desktops, I need them to be able to logon and authenticate through Windows AD and have their Server-Based Home Directories auto-mounted.... I have looked everywhere and just can't find a solution.... Any ideas?
[21:36] <sommer> AFJUSD: likewise-open handles the auth part... as for automounting you can add an entry into fstab or use LDAP and libnss to configure it (I believe)
[21:37] <FabParma> [OT] Does exist a VM/CPU-emulator that can let chooses which cpu (amd or intel) to use into the guest enviroment w/o ties with host hw config? Thank You for help me, Fab
[21:38] <lukehasnoname> oh damn fabparma, I meant to ask: Do you mean assigning VMs to use only so many cpus, or exactly which CPUs?
[21:39] <FabParma> lukehasnoname: a specific cpu brend
[21:39] <AFJUSD> So.... As far as anyone knows, there is NOT any useful documentation to accomplish what I am trying to do?   :)
[21:41] <lukehasnoname> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryHowto AFJUSD
[21:41] <lukehasnoname> I don't know if it will help
[21:42] <lukehasnoname> so you want a guest OS to use either AMD or intel without caring what physical CPU you're running?
[21:44] <lukehasnoname> people just disappear
[21:46] <AFJUSD> TY, I have seen that document... It deals with setting up a SAMBA Server, which I do not want to do. I may be at the end of my investigation....  I was hoping Ubuntu had evolved enough to be easily (or somewhat easily) integratable in a Windows AD Network. I may have to scrap this project and stick with Windows XP...... :(
[21:47] <nijaba> AFJUSD: what os are your student using?
[21:47] <lukehasnoname> AFJUSD: Email this to ubuntu-server AT lists DOT ubuntu DOT com.
[21:48] <lukehasnoname> it will get the attention of everyone involved with server dev here at ubuntu
[21:49] <AFJUSD> Currently, Student Workstations have Windows XP. I was hoping to switch to Ubuntu 8.04 for several reasons. But, I need for them to logon, authenticate and draw their Home directories from Windows AD Server...
[21:50] <ScottK> Where is danshearer when you need him?
[21:51] <lukehasnoname> quite possibly dead
[21:51] <lukehasnoname> Kangaroo to the face
[21:51] <nijaba> AFJUSD: IIRC, the home directory should be rather straight forward in AD.  Just specify the \\XXX\XXX in some AD field
[21:52] <lukehasnoname> AFJUSD why can't you set up Samba
[21:52] <nijaba> AFJUSD: if your server is joined to the same AD and publishind the dirs using samba, no additional authentication should be requested
[21:52] <lukehasnoname> *won't, just curious
[21:54] <ScottK> I mention him because this is exactly the kind of problem he was suggesting we needed to make it easy to solve @ UDS.
[21:54] <AFJUSD> I am the only IT person in this school district. If I have to add/maintain a separate server to implement Ubuntu Desktop, it defeats some of the purpose for me....   :)
[21:55] <ScottK> AFJUSD: What is your sense of urgency for this problem?  When does it have to be running?
[21:57] <AFJUSD> If I am going to implement it, it has to happen within the next couple of weeks so I can do my imaging. I have several other projects going on during summer break.  I cannot do this kinfd of a change-over during the school year. I was just hoping Ubuntu was ready for integration in an AD Enterprise.....
[21:57] <AFJUSD> It really needs to be addressed though....
[21:58] <ScottK> Agreed.  I'm not that familiar with it myself.  All I have here is Linux.
[21:58] <AFJUSD> Linux would find it's way into mainstream networks if the integration wasn't so painful....
[21:58] <lukehasnoname> I'm sure there are people on it. Since you are the only guy in the district, that makes you THE GUY. Why don't you migrate the entire system to Ubuntu in the next year?
[21:58] <lukehasnoname> again, throwing ideas out
[21:59] <ScottK> lukehasnoname: It's not nearly that easy.
[21:59] <sommer> AFJUSD: here's a forum thread with your same question: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=232100
[21:59] <zul> AFJUSD: you are probably going to get more traction on the server ml since this could be a large complicated change
[21:59] <sommer> their advice was to look at http://pam-mount.sourceforge.net/
[21:59] <ScottK> I had enough trouble just migrating my kids.
[22:00] <sommer> AFJUSD: so in theory you should be able to use likewise-open to configure auth and pam-mount for the /home share
[22:00] <AFJUSD> Hahaha.... That would be nice, unfortunately, Linux and the Education world are not ready for each other yet... To many programs that will only work in the Windows world..... School Management Software, Accounting.... etc.
[22:01] <sommer> AFJUSD: looks like pam-mount is packaged in libpam-mount
[22:04] <AFJUSD> sommer, that article references using a samba server to accomplish this.... Unfortunately that won't work for me... TY though  :)
[22:05] <sommer> AFJUSD: didn't mean that the article covers exaclty the steps you'll need for what you're trying to do, but if you share a folder from a windows server and use likewise-open to configure the linux workstation to authenticate you should then be able to use pam-mount for the rest
[22:06] <sommer> likewise-open isn't the same as samba
[22:08] <AFJUSD> True, but I have K-12 students logging on to multiple workstations. They need to be able to sit down, log in, and pull their AD Group Policy Settings from the AD Server, which includes the path to their Server-Based Home Directory. I have to make it easy and effortless for them..... DANG IT!!!!  LOLRL
[22:09] <sommer> I understand, and I think those two tools will accomplish that... the effort will be in your learning the configuration
[22:10] <sommer> and if you want to apply group policies to linux clients there is a non-free version of likewise that will provide that functionality... but since you're a school I'm sure budget is a consideration :)
[22:11] <AFJUSD> Okee Dokee... I will look into it a little further. Otherwise, I may just have to wait until next Spring to see if the integration develops.... And delay my departure from MicroSoft....
[22:13] <ScottK> AFJUSD: Making exactly this kind of thing easier is one of the things we are trying to do for the next version of Ubuntu Server.
[22:13] <ScottK> You may want to stick around and see if things are developing to meet your need.
[22:15] <AFJUSD> TY ScottK, I just have a short window this Summer to try and implement this. I have been watching Ubuntu and Linux for years and am very excited. I promise. I will not turn my back on it. I just may have to wait until next Summer to try implementing it again!   :(
[22:16] <ScottK> AFJUSD: Understand.  Just mentioning it because you've arrived at a good time to provide input and see if what is being done would be useful to you.
[22:18] <AFJUSD> I can be emailed at: mstringer@afjusd.org if you would like my input, struggles, etc. I have been in Educational IT for 13 years in U.S. I know Linux/Ubuntu would gain HUGE entry if this "little" glitch could be surmounted..... hehehe Feel free to contact me. I will assist, brainstorm, etc.
[22:19] <AFJUSD> O' BTW, if you do email.... my name is Mark
[22:20]  * ScottK looks around for mathiaz.
[22:21] <AFJUSD> Thank You Everyone!    :)
[22:24] <Brazen> Hey I was out of the channel and missed it, what is the "little glitch" you all were talking about?
[22:25] <lukehasnoname> linux clients effortlessly accessing Windows AD
[22:25] <mathiaz> nijaba: yeah !
[22:25] <mathiaz> ScottK: yes ?
[22:26] <ScottK> I thought some of your work for Intrepid would line up well with what AFJUSD was asking about, but he's gone now.
[22:26] <Brazen> lukehasnoname: like more than getting user accounts?  oh well, no need to rehash it.
[22:27] <lukehasnoname> mathiaz: how hard would nijaba's idea be to impliment?
[22:28]  * mathiaz reads the backlog
[22:28]  * Brazen notices in the meeting minutes that Augeas was brought up, which he suggested in the mailing list
[22:28] <lukehasnoname> er, here
[22:28]  * Brazen is awfully full of himself
[22:29]  * Brazen is new at this
[22:29] <Brazen> can I read the backlog if I was not in the channel?
[22:30] <lukehasnoname> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/webmirrormanager mathiaz, it's a spec for a web based repo mirror manager
[22:30] <lukehasnoname> Brazen: What is Augeas?
[22:31] <Brazen> lukehasnoname: it's a management backend that interacts directly with the config files
[22:31] <lukehasnoname> ah
[22:31] <Brazen> lukehasnoname: it's being developed by Redhat as part of there Emerging Technologies project
[22:32] <lukehasnoname> Brazen: To quote an Enomalism dev: beholder: Our focus will probably take us more towards automatic reaction systems for scaling up/down and more into providing our REST API, and less into the fancier features of a straight virtualization framework
[22:32] <lukehasnoname> since we were talking about VM managers
[22:32] <Brazen> psh,  so what the heck does that mean?
[22:32] <lukehasnoname> and oVirt is more focused on the virtualization framework idea.  We're a virtualization framework focused on delivering the idea of cloud computing
[22:33] <lukehasnoname> that means buzzwords are in? heh. I still like the looks of the software. I intend to get a hardy server up this weekend with enomalism over KVM
[22:34] <Brazen> It's still in beta though, or alpha
[22:34] <Brazen> I did go back and look over their site yesterday and it looks like they have come a long way since last I had checked.
[22:35] <lukehasnoname> So is rhythmbox :)
[22:35] <lukehasnoname> Ya, I want to look at both, and I'm no expert. As I told him though, "Emo" is web based with mysql backend, where oVirt is a guest VM
[22:35] <Brazen> yeah, but you are comparing something that plays music to something that could potentially be the basic building block of entire datacenters
[22:36] <lukehasnoname> web appeals more to me
[22:36] <lukehasnoname> Brazen: Touché, salesman.
[22:36] <Brazen> oVirt has a web frontend, and the vm is only for development testing
[22:37] <Brazen> I read back over the oVirt site and they are definately intending for oVirt to be installed on the bare metal, the vm image that they are distributing for now it just for development testing.
[22:37] <lukehasnoname> orly
[22:38] <Brazen> you know, I wondered what would happen if I installed a kvm server inside a VMWare ESX Server vm...
[22:38] <Brazen> but I'm too lazy to try it out
[22:39] <lukehasnoname> haha
[22:42] <ScottK> !irclogs Brazen
[22:42] <ScottK> Urgh.
[22:42] <lukehasnoname> !irclogs
[22:42] <ScottK> Forgot the pipe.
[22:43] <lukehasnoname> !irclogs | Brazen
[22:44]  * Brazen checks it out
[22:45] <nxvl> mathiaz: i have just send you an e-mail some minutes ago
[22:49] <arakthor> when you install libsasl2 - is it cyrus or dovecot?
[22:49] <arakthor> or c. other
[22:51] <mathiaz> nxvl: read - that's fine if you can make it - if you can send a small summary of your findings that would be helpful
[22:51] <mathiaz> nxvl: *cannot* make it
[22:51] <Jberg88> So i installed drupal and my friend made an account i was suppose to recieve a notification but drupal error logs said I am sending and receving from the same email
[22:51] <Jberg88> help please
[22:52] <ScottK> arakthor: libsasl2 (and IIRC it's libsasl2-bin) is Cyrus
[22:52] <arakthor> ScottK: thanks
[22:54] <mathiaz> ScottK:  I've looked into libsasl2 when I was writing one of my spec
[22:54] <mathiaz> ScottK: IIRC you were suggesting to drop it from main
[22:54] <mathiaz> ScottK: why ?
[22:55] <ScottK> We've got Dovecot and Cyrus both right now.  Dovecot is generally easier to set up with Postfix if you're new.
[22:55] <ScottK> Since Dovecot is our supported MDA, it makes sense to aim at Dovecot for SASL too (we do this in docs) and so why support both.
[22:55] <lukehasnoname> !ask | ScottK
[22:55] <mathiaz> ScottK: right - looking at the implementation,. it seems that dovecot SASL is only supported in postfix and exim
[22:55]  * lukehasnoname is showing Brazen something, dont' worry
[22:56] <ScottK> mathiaz: So it might not be feasible yet.
[22:56] <ScottK> We ought to keep it in mind for the future.
[22:56] <mathiaz> ScottK: there are lots of other packages in main that provide sasl via the cyrus library
[22:56] <ScottK> Yes.  That's why not yet.
[22:57] <mathiaz> ScottK: IIUC the integration is completly different - so you'd have to add specific support for the dovecot sasl library.
[22:57]  * lamont would rather not drop support for cyrus from postfix...
[22:57] <ScottK> Yes.  This is done in Postfix.  That's the only place I use it, so I don't know about the rest.
[22:57] <ScottK> lamont: This is an idea that would take years.
[22:58] <ScottK> mathiaz: Due to the other users, I think it needs to wait quite a while.
[22:58] <mathiaz> ScottK: agreed. Thanks for the input.
[22:58] <lamont> that would get me complaints
[22:58] <lamont> and it's not exactly modular enough to drop without really dropping it
[22:58] <mathiaz> ScottK: I was wondering if you had other reasons to try to move away from cyrus (other than there are two implementation of sasl in main - let's drop one)
[22:59] <ScottK> mathiaz: In general we don't have much of Cyrus in main anymore.  No strong reason.  I actually use it myself still.
[22:59] <ScottK> "Someday" I'll switch to Dovecot.
[22:59] <mathiaz> ScottK: ok.
[23:00] <lamont> ScottK: ah, in that case, plot away :)
[23:00] <lamont> so if I was considering setting up imap for the homenet, and want imaps, should I go with dovecot or cyrus?
[23:01]  * lamont bets the answer is "dovecot"
[23:01]  * ScottK would guess Dovecot.
[23:01] <mathiaz> I suggest dovecot :D
[23:01] <ScottK> IIRC the standard answer is Dovecot unless it's going to be huge.
[23:03] <arakthor> I am receiving errors in auth.log regarding sasl plugins for postfix ( http://pastebin.com/d25551bb4 ). I believe it could be that postfix is looking in the wrong directory, but cannot find an option to change the path where it looks. Any suggestions?
[23:04] <ScottK> arakthor: What's in /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf?
[23:04] <arakthor> http://pastebin.com/d2b40860c
[23:08] <ScottK> Are there really unbalanced quotes in the SQL statement?
[23:09] <arakthor> uh. yeh. I didn't notice that. :s
[23:10] <arakthor> now they are balanced; thanks for spotting that
[23:11]  * ScottK runs of to parent for a while.
[23:13] <zul> mathiaz: openldap 2.4.9 SRU uploaded again...
[23:34] <jussi01> Hi all - got ubuntu server running, trying to install sugar crm. its missing the imap modules - which package do I need to install for these?
[23:55] <ScottK> jussi01: How about sugar-crm?