[00:16] <Odd-rationale> AlexCONRAD: jockey i think...
[00:16] <AlexCONRAD> Odd-rationale: yes, thanks, someone pointed me that: jockey-gtk
[00:20] <Willeth> hey all, i'm using a toshiba gigabeat f40 DAP with rocbox installed, and it doesn't seem to want to mount under eeexubuntu - can anyone give me any pointers?
[00:51] <lsemple2> what is the command to start xfce ???
[01:01] <The_Kernel> Anyone buy those Dell laptops wit Ubuntu on 'em?
[01:01] <The_Kernel> zoredache didn't you say that you bought one?
[01:07] <zoredache> yes
[01:07] <zoredache> I have an inspiron 1505
[01:07] <The_Kernel> OK
[01:07] <The_Kernel> The one I plan to get
[01:08] <The_Kernel> or...rather...the 1525N is the one I'm getting
[01:56] <bullium> does the window manager allow you to change the keyboard shortcuts, or is it just a "view only" screen?
[01:57] <bullium> nevermind I got it :) just use the add function and add a custom theme
[01:57] <bullium> thanks anyway'
[02:03] <xTOGx> i just got xubuntu installed.  how do i get the gui to work?
[02:03] <xTOGx> i'm getting a -bash: startx: command not found
[02:04] <bullium> xTOGx, did the install complete without any errors?
[02:04] <xTOGx> it wouldn't do the software bit
[02:06] <xTOGx> is there a way i can finish that now?
[02:08] <bullium> was your network connection not detected during the install?
[02:11] <xTOGx> network connection went fine
[02:11] <xTOGx> i'm pretty sure it's connected now
[02:11] <xTOGx> not sure how to tell
[02:15] <bullium> type sudo ifconfig -a what is the output of that?
[02:19] <keeleyt83> i can log into xubuntu but the desktop doesn't appear to load. can anyone help?
[02:20] <keeleyt83> im running 8.04
[02:22] <bullium> keeleyt83, what kind of error do you get. what are the steps you are taking to see if the gui can be manually started?
[02:24] <keeleyt83> i dont get any error. whenever i login normally, the harddrive is spinning like its working but then it stops and nothing loads. the cursor is there but nothing else
[02:24] <keeleyt83> ive tried starting gnome-safe but the same thing
[02:24] <keeleyt83> im rather new to linux so i havent tried to start manually
[02:25] <bullium> tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log what is the output of that?
[02:26] <keeleyt83> k 1 sec
[02:28] <keeleyt83> says no such file or directory. i ran it as root from recovery mode, fyi
[02:29] <bullium> keeleyt83, oh ok, just whereis tail and see if it's on your system
[02:30] <bullium> your probably using busybox though right?
[02:30] <bullium> I mean it's a recovery console
[02:30] <keeleyt83> yeah im in the recovery console
[02:30] <bullium> so you'll have limited commands
[02:30] <bullium> just a second
[02:30] <keeleyt83> i think i have it
[02:30] <keeleyt83> usr/bin/tail
[02:31] <keeleyt83> and then the man
[02:32] <keeleyt83> i'd try the terminal-safe session but i get the same result as a default session
[02:35] <bullium> keeleyt83, sounds like it's having some issues with the video drivers or something...what kind of system/hardware
[02:36] <keeleyt83> sony vaio laptop. vgn-s360
[02:36] <keeleyt83> hmm it was fine until recently. ive been doing all the updates. nothing out of the ordinary
[02:37] <bullium> keeleyt83, oh so your system has been working?
[02:37] <keeleyt83> had been working :)
[02:37] <bullium> keeleyt83, this isn't a new install...sorry
[02:37] <keeleyt83> thats correct. np
[02:37] <bullium> so did you just do an update and reboot or something?
[02:39] <keeleyt83> i don't believe so. my wife was using it and she said no. she did say that she was running firefox (3, rc2) with a number of tabs open (no idea where she was) and that she didnt close ff before she shut down the machine (using the menu).
[02:39] <keeleyt83> that sounds pretty harmless though
[02:41] <bullium> keeleyt83, yeah I agree it seems very harmless...and this is a xubuntu machine wright
[02:42] <bullium> keeleyt83, I scrolled up u are no need to answer
[02:42] <keeleyt83> ok
[02:43] <bullium> let read your original post again to see if I don't get anymore ides...just a sec
[02:43] <keeleyt83> k
[02:44] <bullium> so you get the graphical login prompt?
[02:44] <keeleyt83> yes. and whenever i type in my username and password it starts to login
[02:45] <keeleyt83> then i get a solid light blue background, like i normally get for a few seconds before the background image comes in, but it just stops there
[02:45] <keeleyt83> the mouse cursor is there and responsive
[02:45] <bullium> ok, do you have more than one username setup on that maching?
[02:45] <bullium> machine
[02:45] <keeleyt83> no
[02:46] <keeleyt83> oh and it asks for my default keyring. thats the last thing it does
[02:46] <keeleyt83> nm-applet asks for it. normally does that
[02:47] <bullium> huh...seems like he desktop manager is loading all of the way but the panels are not...
[02:47] <keeleyt83> could be
[02:48] <keeleyt83> when i press c+a+del, it "locks" the desktop. don't know if thats helpful. all other keyboard stuff doesnt seem to work
[02:49] <bullium> if you hit CTRL+ALT+F2 do you get a chance to login?
[02:49] <keeleyt83> yes
[02:49] <keeleyt83> k i have a prompt
[02:49] <bullium> login and see if you can run top and see the panels process runnin
[02:50] <bullium> running
[02:50] <keeleyt83> i logged in but im in the terminal. how do i get to the gui?
[02:54] <bullium> i'm not sure if startx will work or not
[02:55] <keeleyt83> ill try it. i just did an apt-get update just in case. restarting now
[02:56] <keeleyt83> ooh. fatal server error: server is already running for display 0.
[02:58] <bullium> ok that means it's running...hit CTRL+ALT+F7 to go back to the running screen
[02:59] <keeleyt83> k
[02:59] <bullium> do you have the mouse and does it respond?
[03:00] <keeleyt83> i have the mouse but the same issue. for a second, the top of my screen looked messed up, like when you have bad video drivers or a bad resolution. but then it went away after 2 seconds
[03:03] <bullium> yeah, mine does that too...hit ALT+F2 do you get the run program?
[03:03] <keeleyt83> yes
[03:04] <keeleyt83> i can start mousepad
[03:04] <keeleyt83> thunar even
[03:04] <bullium> try xfce4-panel
[03:05] <keeleyt83> yah! its back
[03:05] <keeleyt83> no background though
[03:05] <keeleyt83> strange
[03:06] <bullium> I'm not sure off of the top of my head which app runs the background...
[03:06] <keeleyt83> i was playing with the panel about a week ago. nothing special, though. i just added some launchers for applications
[03:07] <keeleyt83> can i return it to its default settings so maybe it doesnt happen again?
[03:07] <bullium> I'm not sure we fixed it...we are just able to start it manually
[03:07] <keeleyt83> thats true
[03:08] <bullium> I'm not sure restoring it to default will fix it...if you don't have alot of customization you could restore it to defaults to see what happens
[03:08] <keeleyt83> ok
[03:09] <keeleyt83> how do i restore it to defaults?
[03:09] <bullium> lol I knew you were going to ask me...not sure...let me see if I can't figure it out
[03:10] <keeleyt83> k ill look too
[03:10] <zoredache> on quick way is to simply create a new account and copy your files over to the other account
[03:10] <zoredache> or copy all the config files from the new account back to the old one
[03:10] <bullium> keeleyt83, you may want to read up on file:///usr/share/xfce4/doc/C/xfce4-panel.html#panel-intro to see if you can figure out what steps are not working
[03:11] <keeleyt83> i just restarted my machine and the panel is back
[03:11] <bullium> keeleyt83, cool
[03:11] <keeleyt83> ive got it set to save the session for next startup, maybe thats what did it
[03:12] <bullium> thats possible...do you like that feature?
[03:13] <keeleyt83> lol i suppose. i hadn't really noticed it until now. i thought i had it set to start a new session each time.
[03:13] <bullium> I was just wondering
[03:14] <keeleyt83> np. i love xubuntu. wish i would have installed it on my desktop. very light and zippy.
[03:14] <keeleyt83> my wife's laptop really dogged it whenever i had ubuntu on there
[03:15] <bullium> keeleyt83, I really like it as well...runs very fast on this dell 1.2GHZ laptop with 512MB of ram
[03:15] <bullium> keeleyt83, yeah ubuntu is a heavier on system resources
[03:15] <keeleyt83> yeah. i like gnome but ive heard its kinda heavyweight
[03:16] <bullium> keeleyt83, I run it on newer hardware, but xubuntu is great for me...I'm a huge linux geek anymore
[03:17] <bullium> keeleyt83, freedom is a great thing
[03:18] <keeleyt83> i hear you. was a windows user until about november. id started using a lot more opensource stuff and was really digging it. now im running ubuntu on my home machines and just signed on as a jEdit developer :)
[03:20] <keeleyt83> hmm this is interesting. i just went to settings manager>desktop>allow xfce to manage the desktop, and now all my desktop icons and background are back
[03:21] <bullium> keeleyt83, so that must have been misconfigured or something...
[03:21] <keeleyt83> should xfce manage it by default?
[03:22] <bullium> I would think so...were is that setting and I'll tell you what mines set to
[03:22] <keeleyt83> ﻿settings manager>desktop
[03:22] <bullium> k
[03:23] <bullium> yeah mine is checked
[03:23] <keeleyt83> ah ok. ill have to watch for that.
[03:23] <keeleyt83> well i appreciate all your help, bullium. id like to see anyone get help like this for windows :)
[03:24] <bullium> that would be unchecked if you were running compiz-fusion or something...thats the desktop manager that lets you have the fancy desktop effects
[03:24] <keeleyt83> ah i c. i dont use any of those
[03:25] <bullium> keeleyt83, than I'd say thats what your issue was...
[03:25] <keeleyt83> alright. well thanks for all your help bullium.
[03:26] <bullium> keeleyt83, no problem on the help have a good night
[03:26] <keeleyt83> you too
[03:26] <bullium> yep
[03:47] <alan___> Hi, would anyone be willing to help me figure out a networking issue?
[03:48] <vidd> alan___, sure....ask away
[03:49] <alan___> So I type sudo smbmount //192.168.1.100/share sharemac/
[03:49] <alan___>  into my xbuntu machine and get, mount error 13 = Permission denied, what's that mean?
[03:50] <alan___> (the goal is to connect to my iMac from the lan connected xubuntu computer)
[03:50] <vidd> it would appear that your mac is not giving your xubuntu permission to access the file
[03:52] <alan___> Hmm, ok.  So I just double checked my preferences and windows file sharing is enabled.
[03:53] <alan___> And the usernames match up.  Why else would the mac deny access?
[03:53] <vidd> im not a smb expert....i ftp stuff inside my network
[03:55] <alan___> ok, thanks for your help.  I'll keep chugging along.
[03:55] <steven_> hey everyone
[03:55] <vidd> hello steven_
[03:56] <steven_> how can i monitor cpu temp in xubuntu?
[03:57] <steven_> ii'm stumped
[03:59] <vidd> have you searched through sysnaptic?
[04:00] <vidd> the "find" feature israther useful
[04:00] <steven_> off and on
[04:00] <steven_> i've used acpi -t
[04:00] <steven_> but
[04:00] <steven_> i want a panel app
[04:00] <steven_> any ideas?
[04:02] <vidd> nothing jumps to mind
[04:03] <duallain> this thread has someone asking the same question:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636857
[04:03] <vidd> cpu temp was never really anything i cared about =]
[04:03] <steven_> yeah
[04:03] <steven_> well i use bittorrent
[04:03] <steven_> and it runs my cpu at 100%
[04:03] <steven_> for a while
[04:03] <steven_> and i want to monitor the temp
[04:03] <steven_> make sure fan is working and all
[04:04] <vidd> did you do a search in synaptic?
[04:05] <steven_> going
[04:05] <steven_> gonna try xfce-sensors-plugin
[04:05] <steven_> it seems to work
[04:06] <steven_> hey another question
[04:06] <vidd> yeah?
[04:06] <steven_> anyone in here have a tablet pc?
[04:06] <steven_> i think it's just you and me vidd lol
[04:07] <vidd> not for long....i need to hit the rack
[04:07] <steven_> yeah it'slate
[04:16] <Odd-rationale> steven_: i have a tablet, so does cody
[04:16] <steven_> cody does?
[04:16] <steven_> good!
[04:16] <steven_> is there a way to adjust pressure on tablet?
[04:17] <Odd-rationale> steven_: you might find some usefule things on this wiki page i wrote: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Tablet_PC
[04:17] <steven_> and i would like a onscreen keyboard to be present for graphical login
[04:17] <Odd-rationale> that in the wiki page ^
[04:17] <Odd-rationale> you need CellWriter, and a plain gdm theme.
[04:17] <Odd-rationale> see the last section...
[04:17] <steven_> i tried cellwriter
[04:18] <steven_> how long does it take to get it to recognize?
[04:18] <Odd-rationale> how long does what take?
[04:18] <steven_> to get cellwriter to recognize my handsriting?
[04:19] <steven_> i tried for a whike
[04:19] <steven_> *while
[04:19] <steven_> i gave up too soon i think
[04:19] <Odd-rationale> steven_: not long. you just need to write each letter once...
[04:19] <steven_> if ubuntu taught me anything, it's keep trying
[04:19] <steven_> LOL
[04:19] <Odd-rationale> but for gdm, you would want to use cellwriter as a keyboard
[04:20] <Odd-rationale> see the wiki page i posted. it is in there.
[04:20] <Odd-rationale> most should be the same for ubuntu.
[04:20] <steven_> okay thx
[04:20] <Odd-rationale> i gtg 2 zzz...
[04:21] <Odd-rationale> have fun!!
[04:32] <MrNaz> if i have a stalled application, how do i kill it, if i dont know the process name? ive got a stuck thunar session which i cant close, but ps aux |grep thunar   brings up nothing
[04:47] <steven_> thanks it worked perfectly
[05:25] <steven_> any ?'s
[05:26] <efpc2003> hi
[05:29] <steven_> what's goin on?
[09:56] <Trackilizer> Hi guys, need your help. Just installed xubuntu and so far its great. However Xubuntu doesn't automatically mount my Fat32 drive.
[09:59] <Trackilizer> The thing is the drive i want to mount doesn't show up in "/etc/fstab" but i know its there because i can access it as soon as i switch to gnome.
[10:01] <Myrtti> if it's not in /etc/fstab then it's not there
[10:02] <Myrtti> The automounting is a separate process from /etc/fstab
[10:02] <Myrtti> as you've noticed
[10:02] <Trackilizer> But it shows up when i use this command "sudo fdisk -l"
[10:02]  * Myrtti looks at her empty coffee mug
[10:02] <Trackilizer>   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[10:02] <Trackilizer> /dev/sdb1   *           1       14596   117242338+   c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[10:10] <ablomen> Trackilizer, sudo mkdir /media/fat <enter> sudo chown USERNAME:USERNAME /media/fat <enter> sudo nano /etc/fstab <enter> add the line: /dev/sdb1 /media/fat vfat defaults 0 0
[10:11] <ablomen> (replace USERNAME to your username on the computer)
[10:11] <ablomen> after that, save and exit, then you can mount it without rebooting with sudo mount /media/fat and the next time you boot it will be automagicly mounted
[10:12] <ablomen> Myrtti, i know the feeling
[10:12]  * ablomen runs to make new coffee
[10:16] <Trackilizer> Thanks a lot ablomen, that seemed to do the trick.
[10:16] <ablomen> np :)
[10:17] <Myrtti> though, I've got noauto,user
[10:18] <Trackilizer> Oh! i still can't write to the disk. Just read.
[10:18] <ablomen> Trackilizer, you did chown the dir?
[10:18] <Trackilizer> Yes
[10:19] <ablomen> Myrtti, yeah but that only means dont mount on mount -a and let the user be able to mount it
[10:19] <Myrtti> it also means it won't try to mount it on boot automatically
[10:19] <ablomen> yeah :)
[10:19] <Myrtti> ie. if the device is absent, as is the case often with usb sticks, external harddrives and so on
[10:20] <ablomen> Trackilizer, hmm and if you do ls -l /media/ does it say that your the owner?
[10:20] <Trackilizer> drwxr-xr-x 13 root root 32768 1970-01-01 01:00 fat
[10:21] <ablomen> heh ok so that didnt go right
[10:21] <ablomen> whats your username?
[10:21] <Trackilizer> erhard
[10:21] <ablomen> ok type: sudo chown erhard:erhard /media/fat
[10:22] <Trackilizer> chown: changing ownership of `/media/fat': Operation not permitted
[10:22] <ablomen> did you use sudo?
[10:22] <Trackilizer> Yes
[10:22] <ablomen> hmm
[10:23] <ablomen> ok try sudo umount /media/fat and then the last command again
[10:24] <Trackilizer> Yes, it worked. I assume i have to mount the drive again?
[10:24] <ablomen> yeah
[10:26] <Trackilizer> Still can't write, tried using nautilus but doesn't work either.
[10:26] <ablomen> hmm
[10:26] <ablomen> oh
[10:28] <ablomen> Myrtti, you know this?: would it be the that vfat doesnt have any rights-management stuff etc so linux just gives rights on the mount for the username that mounted it?
[10:28] <Myrtti> that might be it
[10:28] <ablomen> Trackilizer, try putting that noauto,user after defaults on the sdb1 line in fstab
[10:30] <Trackilizer> No, still can't write.
[10:30] <ablomen> so you get: /dev/sdb1 /media/fat vfat defaults,noauto,user 0 0
[10:30] <Trackilizer> Yes
[10:30] <ablomen> then unmount it (sudo unmount /media/fat)
[10:31] <ablomen> and then mount in again _without_ sudo (so just: mount /media/fat)
[10:32] <Trackilizer> YES! Thanks alot!! that did it! And it will automatically do this every time i boot?
[10:33] <Myrtti> Trackilizer: is this harddrive that you're mounting external or internal?
[10:33] <Trackilizer> internal
[10:33] <Myrtti> in that case... hold on
[10:34] <ablomen> well not on boot, but afaik when you click it in nautilus it should automaticly mount now, and otherwise you can add the mount /media/fat command in settings-manager->autostarted applications
[10:34] <Myrtti> first, replace noauto with just auto
[10:34] <ablomen> Myrtti, wouldnt it mount it as root again then? on boot..
[10:35] <Myrtti> hold on, reading man mount
[10:36] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[10:37] <Trackilizer> I just added the command to the autostarted applications, I'll reboot now and see how it goes. Thanks a lot guys.
[10:39] <ablomen> Myrtti, heh yeah its a big manpage
[11:09] <jarnos> Why do I have http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/ in each new Firefox 3 window after last update?
[11:11] <Myrtti> jarnos: because that is the default homepage in firefox?
[11:12] <jarnos> Myrtti: I think I got empty page instead before the last update. (I had problems in quitting FF after the update even it was requested; I used System monitor eventually.)
[11:48] <jarnos> Myrtti: But I guess Google is paying for Mozilla foundation to get their search engine popped up in Firefox.
[11:48] <Myrtti> jarnos: infact, that's the main source of revenue for Mozilla
[11:51] <jarnos> Myrtti: I see. Shame that the page is not specifically made for xubuntu, but (gnome) ubuntu.
[11:52] <Myrtti> hm odd
[11:57] <ablomen> it should point you to a page on the local filesystem?
[11:58] <ablomen> (which is a xubuntu page)
[12:09] <Myrtti> it shoudl
[12:09] <Myrtti> perhaps they'd know more at #ubuntu-mozilla
[15:29] <Riotta> I wanna switch from xubuntu 32bit to 64bit is there any cons of such switch except flash and java ?
[15:29] <Riotta> you think that it's worth switching even if I have less than 4gb of ram
[15:29] <Riotta> and Linux is my only system
[15:30] <Rioting_pacifist> flash full screen worked fine under gutsy with kwin (not with compiz) under hardy it tears alot (both with kwin & compiz) im on an ATI system using accelerated drivers if its relevant
[15:31] <Riotta> tbh ati can be a problem itself Rioting_pacifist
[15:31] <Riotta> their drivers are getting better everyday but are generally buggy
[15:32] <Riotta> you could upgrade flash to 10beta
[15:32] <Riotta> and check if that help
[15:32] <Rioting_pacifist> no help, although i have noticed cpu usage drop a bit
[15:34] <Riotta> well the strategy with ati is wait for new drivers and update, update, update
[15:34] <Rioting_pacifist> ahh so its probably driver related?
[15:35] <Riotta> I think so
[15:35] <Riotta> maybe bug in randar operations in the dirvers
[16:39] <jarnos> Still about the Firefox home page: I made about:blank homepage in preferences and now everything is fine again.
[17:25] <persi> hello, xubuntu loaded without any bars
[17:25] <persi> reboot didnt help
[17:25] <persi> *cries*
[17:27] <TheSheep> persi: press alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel
[17:27] <TheSheep> '
[17:27] <AlexCONRAD> hi, is there a tool to show which package provides what ? instead of asking every time "which package contains nm-tool" ?
[17:27] <TheSheep> without the quoates
[17:27] <TheSheep> quotes
[17:28] <persi> thanks, it worked, what was wrong with it?
[17:28] <zoredache_> AlexCONRAD: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ has that information
[17:29] <Myrtti> AlexCONRAD: apt-file
[17:29] <TheSheep> persi: the panel must have crashed for some reason. it sometimes does that on low ram systems
[17:30] <persi> wow thats offensive, i have whole 256 megs!
[17:30] <persi> heh thanks
[17:32] <AlexCONRAD> Myrtti: great, thanks, that's a pain killer
[17:33] <AlexCONRAD> and thanks zoredache for this ressource
[17:33] <AlexCONRAD> its very helpful as well
[17:38] <AlexCONRAD> this apt-file search/find thing should really be included in the apt-get app IMO
[17:41] <zoredache> AlexCONRAD: I think a couple reasons why it is not is because the databases it creates for the file lists can get big.  And not many people really need that functionality.
[17:42] <AlexCONRAD> well, maybe at least the binaries
[17:42] <AlexCONRAD> well, I get your point anyway
[18:17] <AlexCONRAD> what do I need to install to have the screensaver buttun under the xfce settings manager ?
[18:19] <Odd-rationale> AlexCONRAD: xscreensaver, or gnome-screensaver
[18:19] <Odd-rationale> i think gnome-screensaver is preinstalled with xubuntu....
[18:20] <AlexCONRAD> Odd-rationale: yes, but i'm making a custom xubuntu from scratch, and trying to pin down which packages I need
[18:20] <AlexCONRAD> thanks, I'll have a look at these
[18:23] <Odd-rationale> AlexCONRAD: if you want lightwieght, go with xscreensaver
[18:24] <AlexCONRAD> it's mostly for 3D testing
[18:24] <AlexCONRAD> I actually won't install it on the CD
[18:24] <AlexCONRAD> but its has more or less complexe 3D stuff
[18:24] <AlexCONRAD> with my ATI card
[19:48] <kibibyte> hi
[19:49] <kibibyte> do you know any samba shares browser
[19:49] <kibibyte> for xubuntu
[19:50] <vinnl> kibibyte, this might help: http://www.google.com/search?q=xubuntu%20samba%20browsing
[19:50] <vinnl> There are some good solutions online I believe
[19:51] <kibibyte> ok
[19:51] <kibibyte> which one you use
[19:51] <vinnl> I don't use any, but I know others have
[19:51] <vinnl> (With success)
[19:52] <vinnl> Oh, and I thought there were plans to add native support for Xubuntu 8.10, but you'd have to ask cody-somerville
[19:53] <kibibyte> ok
[19:54] <Riotta> wow 64bit xubuntu is such painless I thought it gonna be more tricky to install flash and java and win-codecs
[19:54] <vinnl> Nice :)
[19:55] <kibibyte> i thought there is no flash for 64 bit
[19:55] <vinnl> There isn't
[19:55] <Riotta> it's working by wrapper program
[19:55] <vinnl> nspluginwrapper, right?
[19:55] <Riotta> but without any performance degadation
[19:55] <Riotta> yes
[19:55] <kibibyte> and whay about shockwave
[19:56] <vinnl> Hehe, bow to my infinite knowledge :)
[19:56] <Riotta> even it was installed automaticly when I installed flash-nonfree for my browser from repos
[19:56] <vinnl> kibibyte, that's not possible natively unfortunately :(
[19:56] <kibibyte> and whay about shockwave
[19:56] <kibibyte> ;/
[19:56] <vinnl> Though I believe you can do that with Wine, but I'm not sure
[19:57] <Riotta> I'm just amazed how switft is xubuntu 64 bit I remember some versions ago that there was reall pain to run 32 apps and stuff
[19:59] <zoredache> kibibyte: fusesmb is pretty easy to setup.  autofs is good, particularly with an executable mount map
[19:59] <kibibyte> ok
[20:09] <v0lksman> hey all....anyone know why the -19 revision of the kernel (in proposed) would kill sound?  I installed linux-headers and linux-image...should I have updated anything else?
[20:10] <gaurdro> do you have other updates?
[20:11] <gaurdro> on a side note,  how stable is -proposed?
[20:12] <Jeren> Greetings
[20:13] <Jeren> I just installed Xubuntu 8.04. I have correctly configured the network settings (identical to what I had on my Xubuntu 7.10 machine). I can ping and access local IPs but am unable to connect to internet sites. Any ideas why?
[20:14] <Riotta> ye
[20:14] <Riotta> edit resolv.conf with the same info as you have in other computer
[20:14] <Jeren> what is in that file?
[20:14] <Riotta> probably didn't catched dns
[20:14] <Riotta> servers
[20:14] <Jeren> I updated the DNS info in the Network manager thingy
[20:15] <Jeren> As well as the static IP info.
[20:15] <v0lksman> gaurdro: there are 76 other updates but I don't want them all...Just the kernel cause I heard it (and have confirmed it fixes suspend on my laptop)....
[20:15] <Jeren> By the way, I just installed 8.04 over 7.10, so I have no other resolv.conf file to compare it with
[20:15] <Riotta> network manager isn't so good for configuring it has it's flaws see if the file isnt empty
[20:15] <Jeren> One moment.
[20:15] <v0lksman> hrm..not sure what happened to that last line...
[20:16] <gaurdro> there's probably an alsa package that you need as well.
[20:17] <v0lksman> hrm...yeah actually I checked for Pulse updates but forgot that xcfe still uses alsa...will check...thanks!
[20:17] <Jeren> Riotta: resolv.conf has one line. "nameserver " and then its followed by our DNS IP
[20:17] <Willeth> does anyone here have experience using rockbox with xubuntu?
[20:17] <Riotta> well maybe reboot or restart your modem
[20:17] <Jeren> Other computers in the office are online fine
[20:17] <Jeren> Including the one I'm on now
[20:19] <Riotta> it should be fine I bet it didn't refresh dns entry somehow
[20:19] <Jeren> I just finished installation a few minutes ago. The DNS information should be fresh.
[20:20] <v0lksman> gaurdro: no updates to alsa in proposed...
[20:21] <Jeren> I doubt its a firewall issue, as I said I can already access local IP addresses with ease.
[20:22] <Riotta> I had once similar problem
[20:22] <Jeren> How did you resolve it?
[20:22] <Riotta> and I restarted modem and it worked fine then
[20:22] <Riotta> try rebooting maybe or it didn't helped ?
[20:22] <Jeren> I rebooted the system twice already.
[20:23] <Riotta> k
[20:23] <zoredache> Jeren: are you sure you got the default gateway set correctly?
[20:23] <Riotta> how you are connecting to the network ?
[20:23] <Riotta> by ethernet card ?
[20:24] <Jeren> The network information is correct, yes. The Static IP, Gateway, and Mask are all accurate.
[20:24] <Jeren> Yes
[20:24] <Riotta> you know the brand of that card ?
[20:24] <zoredache> have you tried doing a traceroute?
[20:25] <v0lksman> can you ping anything by IP offnet (IE out of your LAN)...?
[20:25] <Jeren> One sec
[20:25] <v0lksman> 64.233.167.99
[20:25] <v0lksman> dats google... ;)
[20:25] <Jeren> The server's in the back end of the office
[20:25] <Jeren> I'll be right back
[20:26] <Jeren> That IP is unreachable.
[20:27] <Jeren> The brand of the card is... NetGear, I believe.
[20:27] <Jeren> Its worked fine for the past three months
[20:27] <zoredache> do a traceroute now instead of a ping to see where it is failing
[20:27] <zoredache> so 'mtr 64.233.167.99'
[20:27] <Jeren> Same IP?
[20:27] <Jeren> Google's?
[20:27] <v0lksman> yep...that would do
[20:28] <zoredache> doesn't really matter... anything outside your network that is up and allows icmp will give useful results
[20:29] <Jeren> The "My Traceroute" screen comes up, but no data goes into the table.
[20:31] <v0lksman> can you try command line?  not sure what you are looking at....can you also try to ping you gateway while you are there....
[20:32] <zoredache> you said you staticly set your address?  Are you completely sure that nothing else on your network is using the same address?
[20:32] <TheSheep> use arping to find out
[20:32] <Jeren> Yes, I am.
[20:33] <Jeren> I'll give that a go.
[20:33] <v0lksman> brb...
[20:33] <Jeren> How can I do a traceroute without mtr, by the way?
[20:33] <TheSheep> Jeren: tracepath
[20:35] <Jeren> Thanks. brb
[20:37] <Jeren> Ok...
[20:37] <Jeren> Tracepath said "send failed"
[20:37] <v0lksman> sweet...got sound back..missed a couple kernel updates that were needed...
[20:37] <Jeren> Arping gave me a warning: "Interface is ignored: Operation not permitted"
[20:38] <v0lksman> were you able to ping your gateway?
[20:39] <TheSheep> Jeren: sudo
[20:41] <Jeren> One sec
[20:41] <Jeren> Pinging my gateway is fine
[20:43] <Jeren> Same response for Tracepath
[20:43] <Jeren> Arping, 50 probes sent, 0 responses
[20:44] <zoredache> can you tell us what your ip address/mask/gw is?
[20:44] <zoredache> feel free to say no if it isn't rfc1918 space
[20:45] <Jeren> Its nothing that'd breach security ;)
[20:46] <Jeren> Static ip: 192.168.1.185 / Mask: 255.255.255.0 / GW: 192.168.1.1
[20:46] <xxTheSaintxx> Hello guys, My network is *Fucked* wireless people cannot connect to it
[20:46] <xxTheSaintxx> Just wondering if anyone knew what to do/
[20:46] <zoredache> so if you use the command 'route -n' do you see anything with a destination of '0.0.0.0'
[20:47] <xxTheSaintxx> im on windows atm
[20:47] <xxTheSaintxx> But i got a xubuntu lappy
[20:47] <TheSheep> cody-somerville: ping
[20:47] <xxTheSaintxx> but all wireless computers cannot connect
[20:47] <xxTheSaintxx> Thats why we got to use enthernet lead
[20:48] <TheSheep> xxTheSaintxx: looks like some trouble with the access point or beyound
[20:48] <xxTheSaintxx> How would ya fix that?
[20:48] <cody-somerville> The_Kernel, pong
[20:48] <cody-somerville> TheSheep, pong
[20:49] <TheSheep> cody-somerville: do you know if we have the sources of that xubuntu release image on the xobunut.org?
[20:49] <TheSheep> cody-somerville: the Czech guys who did the new theme asked for it
[20:50] <TheSheep> cody-somerville: I forgot to ask earlier
[20:50] <Jeren> zoredache: Nothing with a destination of 0.0.0.0. The only entry is Destination 192.168.1.0, with a gateway of 0.0.0.0
[20:51] <zoredache> Jeren: that would indicate your default gateway didn't get set up properly...
[20:51] <cody-somerville> TheSheep, Not sure what you mean but I gotta jet.
[20:51] <zoredache> as a test try running the command 'route add default gw 192.168.1.1' then try pinging something again
[20:51] <cody-somerville> TheSheep, please e-mail me
[20:51] <TheSheep> cody-somerville: ok, thanks
[20:54] <Jeren> Zoredache: Thanks. My box can actually be useful now <_< That seemed to fix it.
[20:55] <zoredache> Jeren: that 'fix' is only temporary.  It will be lost if/when you reboot or change your network config
[20:55] <v0lksman> it won't stick after a reboot though...you should take a peak at your /etc/network/interfaces and be 10000% sure your gateway is correct
[20:55] <Jeren> Alright
[20:55] <Jeren> I'll go do that now.
[20:55] <Jeren> One sec.
[21:00] <Jeren> Ok, I just went in and confirmed whats in /etc/network/interfaces. It looks accurate.
[21:26] <Riotta> hey guys
[21:26] <Riotta> I need help kinda
[21:26] <Nece228> we listen :D
[21:26] <Riotta> I installed xubuntu amd64 from scrach (ive been using (x)ubuntu 32bit for sometime only updating via update manager
[21:27] <Riotta> and I notice something
[21:27] <Riotta> which troubles me
[21:27] <Riotta> I notice that actually I had nothing to do with screen/keyboard/mouse configuration
[21:27] <Riotta> all were detected more than well
[21:27] <Riotta> even my mouse has all 8 buttons working
[21:27] <Riotta> in firefox etc
[21:28] <Riotta> but...
[21:28] <Riotta> what troubles me
[21:28] <zoredache> !enter
[21:28] <Riotta> where xubuntu store that info
[21:28] <zoredache> what do you mean where does it store it?  If you didn a clean install and wiped the drive it wasn't stored at all
[21:29] <Riotta> it would be obvious that xorg.conf will be the file I need but I entered it and it was kinda not configured not many options there if you see my old xorg.conf file
[21:29] <Nece228> mouse keyboard screen info are stored in xorg.conf
[21:29] <Riotta> it should be
[21:29] <zoredache> Riotta: xorg now auto-detects a lot of things
[21:29] <Nece228> you used xubuntu 7.10 before?
[21:29] <Riotta> but it's nothing there ok there is some things
[21:30] <TheSheep> recently a lot of defaults are just autodetected each time X starts, so they don't have to be put into xorg.conf anymore
[21:30] <Riotta> I used since 6.10
[21:30] <Riotta> updatet always
[21:30] <Nece228> that because 8.04 is LTS which means that it have new drivers
[21:30] <Riotta> via update-manager so I didn't notice any change if you know what I mean (sorry for enters)
[21:31] <Riotta> xorg.conf if you will view it it's almost empty (you know I used to edit alot this file in a past and I know those settings not set too many things)
[21:32] <Riotta> and I was thinking if ubuntu changed place for such things
[21:32] <Riotta> or something
[21:32] <Riotta> cause everything is configured but actually nowhere it's written, nowhere that I know
[21:33] <Nece228> bye
[21:33] <Riotta> cya
[21:48] <Jeren> Ok...
[21:49] <Jeren> So, while trying to install Webmin, my box froze. I restarted, and now I'm missing the task panels at the top and bottom of the screens. o.o
[21:51] <Jeren> How can I get them back?
[21:52] <Volkodav> another restart
[21:52] <Volkodav> windoze way
[21:52] <Jeren> Um
[21:52] <Jeren> Yea, tried three
[21:52] <Jeren> No luck.
[21:52] <Jeren> Anything else?
[21:52] <Volkodav> heh
[21:53] <Volkodav> uninstall webmin
[21:53] <Jeren> How?
[21:53] <Jeren> I don't even know if it installed
[21:53] <Volkodav> apt-get remove wemin --purge
[21:53] <Volkodav> webmin*
[21:53] <Jeren> One sec
[21:54] <Jeren> Yea, webmin package not installed.
[21:54] <Jeren> I think the package installer froze before it did anything.
[21:54] <Volkodav> so it was never installed
[21:54] <Jeren> Right
[21:55] <Volkodav> install from cli
[21:55] <Volkodav> it is better
[21:55] <Jeren> Instead of using the .deb on the site?
[21:55] <Volkodav> yeah - see if there is one in repos
[21:56] <Jeren> I'm more of a Windows user, so forgive me if I don't follow everything <_<
[21:56] <Volkodav> it's ok
[21:56] <Jeren> I'm familiar with apt
[21:56] <Jeren> if that's what you're referring to
[21:56] <Volkodav> sudo apt-cache search webmin
[21:57] <Jeren> ok
[21:58] <Jeren> And then?
[21:58] <Volkodav> do you see the webmin in the bunch?
[21:59] <Jeren> It didn't output anything when I typed that
[21:59] <Jeren> Just returned me to the command prompt
[21:59] <Volkodav> it should
[21:59] <Volkodav> open up the terminal
[21:59] <Jeren> Terminal window is up
[21:59] <Jeren> If it wasn't, I wouldn't know how to open another one
[22:00] <Volkodav> sudo apt-get update && apt-cache search webmin
[22:00] <Jeren> ok
[22:01] <Jeren> Went through the update completely, but again returns nothing for the cache search
[22:01] <Volkodav> you need to activate more repos in apt
[22:02] <Volkodav> looks like
[22:02] <Volkodav> open up add/remove
[22:02] <Jeren> And the best way of doing that would be...? <.<
[22:02] <Jeren> Um
[22:02] <Jeren> If I still have the task bars at the top and bottom of the screen, I would...
[22:02] <Volkodav> in Show what do you have?
[22:02] <Jeren> How do I get to that otherwise?
[22:03] <Volkodav> it should be in system
[22:03] <Volkodav> system==> add/remove
[22:03] <Volkodav> I believe
[22:04] <Volkodav> add remove programms
[22:04] <Jeren> As I've said
[22:04] <Jeren> The task bars are gone.
[22:04] <Jeren> I can't get to the menus
[22:04] <Volkodav> right click on the desktop
[22:04] <Jeren> Ok
[22:05] <Volkodav> do you get the menu?
[22:06] <Jeren> I get options to create a launcher, URL link, Folder, and "From Template", as well as a link to "Desktop Settings"
[22:06] <thinkmassive> how can I change the default dimensions for xfce4-terminal?
[22:07] <Volkodav> "Desktop Settings"
[22:07] <Jeren> ok
[22:08] <Volkodav> xfdesktop4<== run that from terminal
[22:08] <Jeren> I'm at Desktop Settings now
[22:09] <Volkodav> close that and run xfdesktop4 from terminal
[22:09] <Jeren> ok
[22:09] <Jeren> Command not found
[22:10] <Volkodav> sudo xfdesktop4
[22:11] <Jeren> Command not found
[22:11] <Volkodav> sudo xfwm4
[22:11] <Jeren> "Warning: Another window manager is already running"
[22:12] <Volkodav> so you need to kill the other one
[22:12] <Jeren> how?
[22:12] <Volkodav> sudo killall -9 xfdesktop4
[22:13] <Jeren> no process killed
[22:13] <Volkodav> sudo killall -9 xfwm4
[22:14] <Jeren> Ok, I just lost all my open windows
[22:14] <Jeren> And I'm looking at a blank desktop
[22:14] <Volkodav> that's ok
[22:14] <Volkodav> do sudo xfwm4
[22:14] <Jeren> where? My terminal windows are closed.
[22:14] <Jeren> How do I open one?
[22:14] <Volkodav> right click
[22:14] <Jeren> right click isn't working anymore
[22:15] <Volkodav> reboot and come back
[22:15] <Volkodav> I'll walk you trough
[22:15] <Jeren> Ok
[22:15] <Jeren> Rebooting it now
[22:15] <Jeren> One sec
[22:15] <Jeren> Its amazing how troublesome this all is... and I just installed it :\
[22:17] <thinkmassive> what about alt-f2 ?
[22:17] <Jeren> Ok, I'm back at the login screen
[22:17] <Volkodav> good
[22:17] <Volkodav> login
[22:17] <Volkodav> thinkmassive, what seems to be troublesome?
[22:18] <thinkmassive> nothing, I was just suggesting an alternative to rebooting
[22:18] <Volkodav> which is?
[22:18] <Jeren> [thinkmassive] what about alt-f2 ?
[22:18] <thinkmassive> doesn't really matter know
[22:18] <Jeren> Ok, I logged in
[22:18] <thinkmassive> ﻿I would like to know how to set the default dimensions of xfce4-terminal though
[22:19] <Volkodav> getting out of X - are you ready for it?
[22:19] <Jeren> My Firefox session restarted, but other than that, I have nothing
[22:19] <Jeren> Right click only works in the FF window. The rest of the background is some light blue
[22:19] <Volkodav> open up terminal
[22:19] <Jeren> Again, how?
[22:20] <Volkodav> it is in accessories
[22:20] <Jeren> Again
[22:20] <Jeren> I don't have any menus/taskbars
[22:20] <Jeren> and now I don't even have the typical desktop I had since installing this two hours ago
[22:21] <Volkodav> can you right click  on the desktop?
[22:21] <Jeren> nope
[22:21] <Jeren> I have absolutely nothing.
[22:21] <TheSheep> Jeren: press alt+f2, does a window come up?
[22:22] <Jeren> An input box, a check box for "Run in Terminal", and a Run button
[22:22] <Jeren> So, yes
[22:22] <TheSheep> Jeren: type 'xfce4-panel' in there
[22:22] <Volkodav> xfdesktop
[22:22] <TheSheep> without quotes, and press enter
[22:22] <Jeren> Ok, xfce4-panel just restored my top and bottom panels
[22:22] <TheSheep> then xfdesktop, yes
[22:22] <Jeren> And xfdesktop restored the rest
[22:23] <Volkodav> xfwm4
[22:23] <TheSheep> Volkodav: that's already runnin
[22:23] <TheSheep> Volkodav: that's what displays the run dialog :)
[22:23] <Jeren> Ok
[22:23] <Jeren> Now, what do I need to do with the repos again?
[22:24] <thinkmassive> TheSheep: do you know how to change the default dimensions of xfce4-terminal?
[22:24] <TheSheep> thinkmassive: sure, edit the config file in ~/.config/terminal
[22:25] <thinkmassive> awesome, thanks!
[22:26] <thinkmassive> that option is inconveniently missing from the gui preferences
[22:26] <Volkodav> heh
[22:26] <Volkodav> gui-eywey
[22:27] <TheSheep> thinkmassive: there are much more of them missing from the gui :)
[22:27] <Volkodav> there was no gui in the first place
[22:28] <thinkmassive> I noticed
[22:28] <Jeren> Volkodav, what do I need to do regarding the repos now?
[22:28] <thinkmassive> Volkodav: actually there was, hence the name xterm
[22:28] <Volkodav> I would activate all open source
[22:28] <Jeren> Under "Software Sources"?
[22:28] <Volkodav> thinkmassive, - think twice
[22:30] <thinkmassive> I prefer to do things right the first time
[22:30] <Volkodav> drop the button
[22:30] <Volkodav> see what else is available axcept supported apps
[22:31] <Jeren> Nothing is coming in for Third party apps
[22:31] <Jeren> Oh
[22:31] <Jeren> Open Source
[22:31] <Jeren> hang on
[22:31] <Volkodav> what about All available applicattions?
[22:31] <Jeren> No Webmin
[22:32] <Jeren> I'm afraid to try the .deb package again, for fear it'll freeze and cause this all over again
[22:32] <Volkodav> did you activate all available though?
[22:32] <Jeren> Activate what?
[22:32] <Jeren> I'm in the "All Available Applications" drop down
[22:32] <Volkodav> and there is no webmin comes up ?
[22:32] <Jeren> nope
[22:33] <Volkodav> link me to the deb package
[22:33] <Jeren> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/webadmin/webmin_1.420_all.deb
[22:33] <Volkodav> from the site
[22:33] <Jeren> link is on : http://www.webmin.com/download.html
[22:34] <Jeren> Question
[22:34] <Volkodav> 12
[22:34] <Jeren> windows that are opening up no longer appear in the middle but are locked to the top left of my desktop
[22:34] <Jeren> How can I fix that?
[22:34] <Volkodav> window behaviour
[22:34] <Volkodav> in settings
[22:35] <Jeren> "These settings cannot work with your current window manager (unknown)"
[22:35] <Jeren> What the hell?
[22:35]  * Jeren is getting more and more frustrated
[22:37] <Volkodav> did you untar webm in package ?
[22:38] <Jeren> I double clicked on the .deb package. The package thing came up. I then clicked on "Install Package", and thats when it froze.
[22:38] <Volkodav> well
[22:38] <Volkodav> my friend - it is a compressed package
[22:39] <Volkodav> you need to "unzip" it first
[22:39] <Jeren> If it needed to be decompressed, I'm sure it would've said something
[22:39] <Volkodav> in windoze it might
[22:39] <Jeren> It lists the included files in the package already as is, plus gives me the option to install it.
[22:39] <Volkodav> not on the bright side
[22:39] <Jeren> But I'm not running that on windows
[22:40] <Volkodav> yeah - you opened it in some sort of archive mode file like squezze or whatever
[22:40] <Jeren> I opened the .deb file with
[22:40] <Jeren> gdebi-gtk 0.3.8
[22:41] <Volkodav> you need to right click on that file and choose extract here
[22:41] <Volkodav> or similar
[22:41] <Jeren> You'd think it'd catch if it needs to be decompressed. I've had it catch package dependencies before.
[22:41] <Jeren> There is no extract option
[22:41] <Volkodav> then cd to the new folder directory and start install from there?
[22:42] <Volkodav> Am I making myself clear?
[22:42] <Jeren> I do believe so.
[22:42] <Jeren> Though how do you tell a compressed .deb from a noncompressed one?
[22:42] <Volkodav> I have this package here on my box as we speak
[22:42] <Jeren> I've taken package files and installed them straight before
[22:43] <Volkodav> and just extracted it
[22:43] <Volkodav> time to roll to install
[22:43] <Volkodav> I can show you the folder
[22:44] <Volkodav> what's the folder's name you start the install from?
[22:44] <Jeren> I just restarted the box and tried installing from the package directly. It seems to have worked this time.
[22:45] <Volkodav> well it's all good then!
[22:45] <Jeren> Thankfully
[22:45] <Volkodav> good luck with webmin
[22:45] <Jeren> though I wish things were good three hours ago when I finished installing Xubuntu >_<
[22:45] <Jeren> I'm getting nothing done at work today :(
[22:46] <Jeren> Now I just need to find a way to set up a VNC server and get FTP working on this thing
[22:47] <zoredache> why ftp?  sftp is 'secure', and extremely easy to setup
[22:48] <Volkodav> iinstall gftp
[22:48] <Volkodav> VNC is easy too
[22:48] <zoredache> vnc is also easy to setup.  Though I suggest tunneling that through ssh
[22:49] <Volkodav> zoredache, - Ace
[22:49] <Jeren> I'm just looking for ways of remotely working on this machine
[22:49] <Jeren> FTP or SFTP works for me, as long as I can transfer files
[22:49] <zoredache> so all you really should need to do is install openssh-server and x11vnc
[22:49] <Jeren> Ok
[22:50] <Jeren> hmm...
[22:50] <Volkodav> ftp suxorz since all passwords are transmitted in open
[22:50] <Jeren> "Unable to quit session. Quitting the session requires that Xfce's session manager (xfcer-session) is running, but it was not detected. Please quit Xfce via another means."
[22:50] <zoredache> ftp also sucks because it is far more difficult to get through firewalls
[22:50] <Jeren> Picky little bugger...
[22:50] <Volkodav> ssh is the way to go
[22:50] <Volkodav> ssh2
[22:51] <Volkodav> scp
[22:51] <Volkodav> no ftp
[22:51] <thinkmassive> sftp works just as well if all you need to do is transfer files
[22:51] <Jeren> How can I shutdown without the use of the Quit button? <.<
[22:51] <Jeren> Or do I just need to power it off?
[22:52] <zoredache> Jeren: in a terminal use the command 'shutdown -h now'
[22:52] <zoredache> err.. 'sudo shutdown -h now'
[22:52] <Jeren> thanks
[22:52] <Jeren> So, SFTP is recommended over FTP
[22:52] <djouallah> hi did wubi is included with xubuntu 8.04
[22:54] <zoredache> Jeren: there still are a few good reasons to use ftp.  Anonymous file repositories for example... For transfering things to your home computer though sftp/ssh is strongly reccomended at least by me..
[22:54] <thinkmassive> yes, sftp is ftp tunneled over ssh
[22:54] <Jeren> Well, this box is not going to be public.
[22:54] <thinkmassive> if it's connected to the internet then it's public
[22:54] <Jeren> It'll be testing and deploying some network monitoring software I'm working on. I just need file transfer access to upload files to the web server
[22:54] <thinkmassive> unless you have a good firewall on your perimeter
[22:55] <Jeren> meh
[22:55] <Jeren> How do I permanently fix XFce? :\
[22:57] <TheSheep> jasave the session when logging out
[22:57] <TheSheep> Jeren: ^
[22:57] <Jeren> I did. But when the computer restarted, it came up with the light blue background and no panels again.
[22:57] <Jeren> And the windows are still locked in the corner... Need to change that, too
[22:59] <Jeren> Meh
[22:59] <Jeren> Why does it matter what window manager I'm using? How can I be using more than XFCE? STupid thing...
[23:00] <Jeren> I just want to tweak some settings...