[00:00] is there a progam for mounting ISOS in linux [00:00] caryjebus: mount foo.iso /mnt/iso -o loop [00:00] caryjebus: [00:00] sm7xab /etc/init.d/X11 restart [00:00] both are. This is also a fresh install of hardy. Like I said i had a similar prob with feisty but got it to work. With hardy it just doens't want to. [00:00] dammit vom. you were too quick for me :) [00:00] caryjebus: mount -o loop -t iso9660 .iso /mount/point [00:01] does anyone know the answer to a ? can i burn a dvd avi movie on to disk as new data dvd and play it on my tv will this work? [00:01] to bring it more closer, I have the SI7012 Soundchip and the saa7134 TV-Card and I guess something is interfeering with them 2 [00:02] shane__ yes [00:02] engineer: /etc/init.d/X11 doesn't exist. Closest thing is x11-common (which doesn't seem to do anything and kdm which seems to restart X and enter failsafe mode. Nah, guess I' [00:02] engineer: TY so i can fit like 6 movies on 1 disk and play them all [00:02] Haza: heh, sorry, too much coffee today i think [00:03] Guess I'll give a few more days and then kill this thing of and return to Gentoo :-/ [00:03] sm7xab /etc/init.d/kdm stop [00:03] vom: I know that feeling mate :) [00:03] shane__ does your dvd player read divx? [00:03] engineer: kdm stop only shuts down X as far as I can tell. [00:04] question. does ssh timeout? [00:04] sm7xab so what did you wnt? [00:04] Haza yes [00:04] So close the terminal and open a new connection? [00:05] exit [00:05] exit will close connection [00:05] process runnin in bg will stay open [00:05] engineer: I couldn't even type in the terminal window =/ [00:06] It just *froze* if you will [00:06] then connection is closed already [00:06] engineer: yes [00:06] Its not a huge problem like. I was just wondering :) [00:06] sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop do i do this or a fulll upgrade? to get kde 4 [00:06] ? [00:07] ye [00:08] engineer: Odd-rationale ok TY's i got it workin good [00:08] shane__ if it can read then i don't see how burning the videos in won't be played there [00:10] I tried to install msttypefonts using adept and it did not work, but it claims it is installed. I cannot uninstall either... Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock [00:11] engineer: i just burned 2 avi to dvd in new data dvd itl be done soon so ill try it i think it will and if not then its only a dvd [00:13] shane_ , it'll work , just click on the "file" when the menu comes up on the screen if you're using a stand alone dvdp === zomme is now known as zommes [00:14] is this channel right for some advice on Kubuntu? [00:14] yes. [00:14] ok, well I can't get my sound to work on a powerbook [00:15] Fixed the lock problem, but now I still cannot uninstall/purge it Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [00:15] I'm in the process of coverting avi (divx) to mpeg for mother in law , she's not too well versed in the dvd menu thing so she can just point and play :) [00:16] BluesKaj: what do you use to convert it? === user___ is now known as tccstend [00:16] zommes, tovid [00:17] i could use ffmpeg too, I guess [00:17] ty [00:17] ok [00:18] ffmpeg is very good in the cli , faster than tovid [00:39] Wow, awful dead in here this evening [00:40] yup [00:40] hello [00:40] hi [00:40] do you know of a tool that can fix bad sector in my hard disk? [00:40] r2b2: did you try defragmenting? [00:41] that usually helps me [00:41] defrag? how can i do that in linux? [00:41] how do i find out where ff3 installed itself to? [00:41] uh i know how to do it in windows, do you want me to find out for you? [00:41] i downloaded a newer version which works better and want to replace it (newer ver is not an installer, just the files) and cannot find where it installed to [00:41] ok I removed and reinstalled the Flash plugin but I'm still getting the same problem [00:42] r2b2: are you in kubuntu? [00:42] DarkriftX unpack it into your home dir [00:42] yes [00:42] hotpocket : yes.. [00:42] DarkriftX, 'which firefox' in terminal [00:42] ahh [00:43] hotpocke: its easy in windows, in kubuntu i stil have to find out [00:43] hmm, i guess you dont need to in linux [00:43] http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/qna/15032.html [00:43] man badblocks [00:44] i think i might have found your solution ri2b2 [00:44] r2b2* [00:44] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/hard-disk-bad-sectors-402283/ [00:46] hotpocket: thanks mate! [00:46] i'll try this out [00:46] your welcome [00:46] tell me if it works [00:46] i sure hope so [00:47] was that what you are looking for? [00:47] it doesn't work in Konqueror either... [00:47] yes,i think so.. finding bad blocks and not using them [00:47] I was thinking it might be a Forefox problem but apparently it's not... [00:47] ok [00:48] thats not good [00:48] why not? [00:48] Colonel_Panic try using flash 10 in fox 3 [00:49] how do I do that? [00:49] !plugins [00:49] Factoid plugins not found [00:49] !info plugins [00:49] Package plugins does not exist in hardy [00:51] ok, so i found where the "firefox-3.0" bin was, which was a shell script that ran another shell script and ran an executable file.... was a confusing load of crap, so i uninstalled that one [00:51] now i have the newer "firefox 3" package which is all the files in an archive. ive unarchived them and I can run it from where it is, but is that the best way? [00:52] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JtHDkM9JhM&feature=related :) [00:52] Colonel_Panic, look for libflash-mozplugin, and don't forget java [00:55] which java packages should I install? [00:56] sudo apt-get instal sun-java6-plugin? [00:57] What app would ya'll suggest for editing MPEGs? [00:58] ok I already have the latest version asnd I'm still having te same problem [00:58] DarkriftX, add this repos to your adept/synaptic/apt or sources.list , deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-proposed main restricted universe multiverse [00:58] I've even disabled all the Firefox extensions just in case there was some sort of conflict there [00:59] Walzmyn: maybe look into cinelerra? [00:59] DarkriftX, then sudo apt-get update [00:59] its not kde, but i believe its pretty popular for linux [00:59] how do I make a backup or copy of my kde wallet? I am about to re-install and want to make sure that I have a copy of my kde wallet for when I log back in. [00:59] ? [00:59] i was told not to do that bacause im on 7.10 [00:59] willi_ballenthin, thankye. i've tried kino but it choaks on opening the files. [00:59] BTW, when I removed and reinstalled the Flash plugin, it installed version 9, not 10 [01:00] DarkriftX, ok, whoever told you is right , sorry, I assumed you were on Hardy [01:00] i havent upgraded because things are working great and i was told the "dist upgrade" fails regularly [01:00] i dont want to do a new install if i can help it [01:01] Colonel_Panic, did you see my post above ? [01:01] yes [01:01] darkriftx: you want to upgrade to 8.04, am I correct? [01:02] kinda [01:02] whats the problem? [01:02] if i can do it without losing what I have [01:02] I already had the latest Java, and when I removed, then reinstalled libflash-mozplugin, it downloaded and installed flash 9 plugin for mozilla [01:02] well.... actually the problem isnt really a problem [01:02] i think there was a way [01:02] wait [01:02] lavate ese culo [01:02] DarkriftX, mine worked very well ... some adjustments had to be made afterwards tho [01:02] i installed the beta firefox (very old) [01:02] there is a way to make a live cd out of your current install [01:02] if that would help at all :V [01:02] and i wanted to use the newer one, but it doesnt come as an installer, it comes as a package of all the files [01:02] Colonel_Panic, that's one of them [01:03] so someone told me how to do it if i was using hardy [01:03] which is what lead to this convo [01:03] willi_ballenthin, i'm not finding cinelerra in the repositories, didja spell it right? [01:03] Think maybe I have to uninstall Firefox 3 and step back down to the older version I was using before [01:03] ? [01:04] BluesKaj, I don't get what you mean [01:05] what do I have to do? [01:05] Walzmyn: yeah, doesnt look like its there [01:05] i know ive installed it before, but it must have been from their website [01:05] hmm [01:05] OK I downloaded the tar.gz of the Flash 10 player [01:05] Walzmyn: they have a repo [01:05] http://cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#ubuntu [01:07] Colonel_Panic, install sun-java-plugin [01:08] E: Couldn't find package sun-java-plugin" [01:09] any methods of getting suspend to work if it doesn't out of the box? [01:10] jals: suspend doesn't work? [01:10] hotpocket, well, it suspends, maybe, but doesn't return from suspend [01:11] wow [01:11] uh [01:11] did you try hibernate? [01:11] does that work? [01:11] no [01:11] try that and see if it works [01:11] its similar to suspend [01:11] ... [01:11] what? [01:11] i just said it doesn't [01:11] oh ok [01:11] sorry [01:11] np [01:11] just was confused [01:11] did you use a live cd or wubi install? [01:11] i installed with the live cd [01:12] hmm, i don't know why it wouldn't work [01:12] never heard of that problem before [01:12] it didn't in gutsy either [01:12] really? i think it's a common problem [01:12] no [01:12] works fine for me [01:12] i don't know, I'm kinda new to ubuntu myself, but i know a lot about it and how to use it [01:12] has anybody else had this problem beforez? [01:12] *before* [01:13] what problem is it sorry .. [01:13] i googled a lot when i had gutsy but gave up [01:13] seems it's an issue for many people [01:13] in konqueror, is there a way to have it use detailed list view by default? [01:13] cause icon view will end me [01:15] willi_ballenthin, thank you. Sorry i skipped out, had to save the dog from a rainstorm [01:15] good [01:15] is the doggy wet? [01:15] haha np [01:15] im sorry i have to go get grocerys, but gl with the mpegs [01:17] can i have dhcp service,internet sharing, and samba all in just one server? [01:17] well, I installed the new Flash 10 plugin but I'm still getting the same problem [01:18] what problem? [01:18] hotpocket, not yet, but the thunder was driving him up the wall [01:18] ah [01:18] flash videos only play for a few seconds, then stop [01:19] sometimes they only play for a fractin of a second [01:19] *fraction* [01:20] what version of firefox are you using? i have firefox 2 and flash is working fine [01:20] firefox 3 here and everything is fine [01:21] so i hit suspend, it seems to suspend, then when i hit my mouse button it does a cold boot [01:21] as if i'd shut down [01:21] any ideas/ [01:21] hmm [01:21] i had firefox 2 and 3 before but i uninstalled firefox 3 because im having problems with some addons, particularly firebug [01:21] r2b2: use nightly tester tools to remove compatability issues [01:21] on firefox 3 [01:21] what's nightly tester tools, sorry? [01:22] well i guess i just have to wait for the official firefox 3 .. [01:22] no [01:22] it looks like the connection to the streaming data is getting term,inated after a short period of time [01:23] download firefox 3 again, install nightly tester tools, click remove compatibility, and when you install an extension that says its not supported, click force install [01:23] i c [01:24] Hey all, does anyone know where I can find the cairo bindings for SVG in k/ubuntu? I'm told they are in librsvg, but some odd application that I need require 'libsvg-cairo' (which is annoying) ... [01:28] what it "nightly teaser tools"? [01:28] tester* [01:28] and can I use it with FF2? [01:29] it lets you test extensions to see how they work on firefox3 [01:29] no [01:29] its firefox 3 only [01:29] =/ [01:29] oh I see [01:29] but it works really well for me [01:29] well [01:31] ... [01:31] it says "Not compatible with Firefox 3.0" [01:36] when i am in the terminal, and there is the $ sign, does that mean I am root? [01:36] goddamn it [01:36] I kleep getting out of disk space errors whenever I try to do anything [01:40] it says my root partition has 4.5 GB used, and it's supposed to be a 9.2GB partition [01:40] how do I keep running out of disk space? [01:41] Colonel_Panic: maybe it's not actually 9.2gb? [01:41] it was when I created it [01:41] and [01:41] $ df -h [01:42] I changed the mount point of my /home dir to make more room in there [01:42] there should be at lead half a GB free [01:42] do "df -h" [01:43] Also, simply changing the mount point doesn't move any files ... so 'old' /home files might be left over there [01:43] but I can't see it === luis__ is now known as tigremx1 [01:43] how can I delete those? [01:44] hotpocket, did you get your terminal / root question answered? [01:44] There MUST be a better way to do this but you shut down any programs you aren't using [01:44] then umount /home [01:44] then try: ls /home [01:45] if anything shows up in there then (assuming umount worked) [01:45] they probably shouldn't be there [01:45] BUT be warned ... usually NOT a good idea to just randomly umount /home. [01:45] Might be a better idea to boot into a live CD [01:45] and then mount the root partition into a temp folder [01:45] well I was trying to take a screenshot of Firefox to show you that it says Nightly Tester Tools is "Not compatible with Firefox 3.0" [01:46] no I didn't walzmyn [01:46] but apparently I don't have enough free space to do a damn screenshot [01:46] heh >< [01:46] hotpocket, the $ just means that's where you type for the termial [01:46] need a spare HD [01:46] ? [01:46] I got 12 spares >_> [01:46] does it m3ean im in root? [01:46] I want a spare hdd [01:46] hotpocket, to the left of the $ will tell you who you are logged in as [01:46] terran4000: mail me one [01:46] i know [01:46] how do i know if im logged in as root? [01:47] I launched filelight as kdesu [01:47] hotpocket, if you've just made a normal install, you are not, because root is not set up [01:47] hotpocket, but it would say something like hotpocket-root@computername$ [01:47] oh ok [01:47] whats the advantages of root? [01:48] do you think this disk space issue is causing the problem with the streaming media, too? [01:48] ubntu uses the sudo app instead of an acttuall root account [01:48] Root is God. [01:48] oh ok [01:48] And if you play God you're in trouble [01:48] Thus, only use sudo [01:48] i guess im in trouble :P [01:48] you can seriously eff up your installation as root [01:48] root can do anything it wants to the computer including fook it competely up [01:48] oh ok [01:48] it's a safety measure [01:48] so, it will say root? [01:49] that is one of the primary reasons linux is superiour to winders - the default is to be a normal user and you assumn admin privilidges only when you need to [01:49] better than doing it the Windows way and making OS-level functions completely transparent [01:49] Colonel_Panic: streaming media isn't 'really' streaming, it has to buffer a bit (usually in memory) but if it buffers to disk then yeah ... could be troublesome [01:49] that's what I'm thinking [01:49] if the buffer fills up real quick (say, after a second or two) then it will just stop [01:49] hotpocket, yes, i do not have one i can look at right quick, but if you swithced users to root, it would say root in the CLI line there. [01:50] helps to have a larger pipe than std dsl [01:50] so how can I take care of this issue? [01:50] deltree c:\ [01:50] oh ok [01:50] thanks [01:50] Colonel_Panic: first things first [01:51] quick question ... anyone know why a fresh install would have trouble with not being able to resize any window? I see the little arrows when I go to the edge of any window but it won't let me resize [01:51] BluesKaj, my connection is fast cable [01:51] Colonel_Panic: try $ df -h [01:51] hotpocket, what are you trying to do that you want root privileges for? [01:51] and see what it says for used% [01:51] oh nothing [01:51] i was gonna install some new compiz plugins and it said not to be logged in as root [01:51] Colonel_Panic, good ...video needs at least 300kbs (real speed) [01:52] by-the-by this whole user permissions thing is the reason Winders Vista is having so many issues. It is actully trying to do things right, but so many winders apps have been written to assumn God access that they cannot work with vista [01:52] this is unbelievable [01:52] what? [01:52] ? [01:52] I just uninstalled the game Alien Arena because it's a huge filesystem hog [01:52] hotpocket, that's what the sudo command is for [01:53] and the YouTube video is still not working [01:53] su == switch user (no user name means 'root') [01:53] oh ok [01:53] thanksw [01:53] thanks* [01:53] su = super suer [01:53] *user [01:53] Colonel_Panic, have you tried rebooting to clear out anything that's running / tkaing up memory? [01:54] bittin, I thought the terminal command su meant switch user? [01:54] what DOES sudo mean? [01:54] super user do [01:54] o_O [01:54] ah, my mistake [01:54] ok I just deleted the alien-arena data, which frees up about half a GB [01:55] same principle, though :) === isaac_ is now known as isaac- [01:55] ok I'm going to reboot [01:55] Colonel_Panic, which FF are you using ? [01:55] is there a way to set the default app for a file type to a program running in wine? [01:56] but I have to find a way to address the / partition space issue [01:56] Firefox 3 [01:56] Colonel_Panic: Try booting into a live CD, then mounting the root partition and seeing is there is any useless clutter [01:59] Anyone know where libsvg-cairo lives in ubuntu? [02:00] Could someone please explain to me the workings of the window manager and the desktop environments? [02:00] !desktop [02:00] A desktop environment is what "puts the pieces of a !GUI together". The available desktop environments in Ubuntu are !GNOME (ubuntu-desktop), !KDE (kubuntu-desktop), !Xfce (xubuntu-desktop), IceWM, !Fluxbox, WindowMaker (wmaker), FVWM and others - See also !Flavors [02:00] http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7480/screenshotce0.png [02:01] there. see? [02:01] I have tried restarting Firefox about 10 times [02:02] Colonel_Panic, it's not compatible ...it says so in the ad [02:02] well I was told to use it in FF3 to diagnose my problem [02:02] nope , won't work [02:03] hey guys, i have installed the kde4 packages for beta1 and i have KDM4 running , but i am unsure how to add kde4 to kdm as a session option [02:03] FF3 is still in development , so it may be a few weeks before it'll work [02:03] am_ it should have done so automaticlly [02:04] Walzmyn: unfortunately it hasn't. the kde4 apps still work fine in kde3 [02:04] FF3 final is supposed to be out this month ..sometime [02:04] so its installed correctly [02:04] just hasn't given me an option [02:04] and for some reason I can't uninstall all my add-ons [02:04] I was going to try that just in case [02:04] i don't mind adding it myself, i just need to know where to look [02:04] the uninstall button is always greyed out [02:04] how do i tell mplayer my default audio device is /dev/dsp [02:04] am_, i'm not sure, google it [02:05] I'm just going to reboot [02:05] /dev/dsp is not one of the audio choices in mplayer preferences [02:05] jesus this is almost as bad as dealing with Windows [02:05] biab [02:05] Perhaps BluesKaj I oversimplified my question. What I would like to know is what is wm responsible for doing? How does it interact with the desktop environment? Kind of the kernel and the shell thing only with wm and de. [02:07] it manages which desktop environment you're using and the apps installed in that environment [02:07] compilerwriter, AFAIK the windows manager is what makes the actual windows floating around and sends GUI signels from them to whatever backend is associated with them [02:07] compilerwriter, the DE using the WM plus other apps to make a complete system to work with [02:08] So the it is the wm that is telling the computer that I am logged in oh a dozen or more times, and then it treats each window as a sort of terminal instance? [02:08] compilerwriter: window manager is responsible for managing the windows, it gives them borders and controls and allows you to specify which to give focus to [02:09] each time you login, one window manager instate in run for that session [02:10] It then also manages what then I see on the display file? [02:10] So if I were to log in terminal only I would not fire up a window manager at all? [02:10] a window manager needs an X session to run on [02:10] yes to the second. [02:11] it has nothing to do with files, just windows for applications [02:11] compilerwriter, yes, you'd be just like my server upstairs which could just about have the monitor removed [02:12] So then it is X that tells the computer I am logged in a dozen times. The window manager then manages all the windows in the X session? [02:12] no, X doesn't tell the system how many times you're logged in [02:13] when you login you start a shell, that then runs X, the WM and everything else [02:15] why are you logged in a dozen times? [02:15] one X session and 11 shells, easy ;) [02:15] Well since my computer fires up a sort of windowed login and I don't start X manually. I would guess that there is some sort of shell that is running that I log into that forks another shell and an X-session that then has a WM and DE of its own? [02:15] compilerwriter, wikipedia might be able to explain this better than we are [02:16] compilerwriter: yeah, KDM actually starts a shell and runs a script (that then starts X for you) and does the rest [02:16] same goes for GDM/XDM [02:17] OK well the streaming video appears to be OK now... [02:17] I'm on Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 4.1, and my printout is REALLY REALLY slow. [02:17] but to fix this disk space issue, should I boot to a LiveCD? [02:17] Walzmyn when I do a who -ra it shows that user LOGIN is running on tty1-6 Since I am the only person logged into my machine I suppose I am those six people. [02:18] It set it up and configured everything instantly, but the page and printer only move once every 10 seconds or so. [02:18] What can I do from a live CD to correct the situation> [02:18] wouldn't a partitining tool be a better option? [02:18] compilerwriter: LOGIN is not a user [02:19] compilerwriter: it's the "command" that's listens on a TTY for a username/pass to start a shell for you [02:19] compilerwriter, you just went over my head, but i think LOGIN is an application, not a user [02:19] yeah, what stdin said. [02:20] and I cannot enable or disable, or uninstall any firefox extensions either [02:20] it keeps telling me the extension will be enabled/disabled when Firefox restarts, but when I restart Firefox nothing happens [02:21] Colonel_Panic, search for GParted partition editor , burn it and run it as a live cd to setup or edit the partitions ...it's my fav [02:21] OK lemme try that. [02:25] So the window manater literally just manages the windows that I have opened? It requires and X session in order to do the job? So where does compiz come in to the equation. Is it the window manager? [02:25] any ideas on the Firefox addons problem? [02:25] compiz is a windows manager that replaces kwin (KDE's manager) and adds in a bunch of eye candy [02:25] compilerwriter: yep, compiz is a window manager, a compositing enabled window manager [02:25] Colonel_Panic, most addons won't work on a development browser like FF3 [02:25] except i think they changed the name when compiz and beryl re-merged. [02:25] and there's no way to step back down to Firefox 2? [02:25] Colonel_Panic: there is [02:25] Yes I am likeing some of the eye candy, I like flipping my cube about. [02:25] Colonel_Panic: just install firefox-2 [02:25] some of them were working fine only yesterday [02:25] yes, you can go into adept and remove ff3 and reinstall ff2 [02:25] compilerwriter, the expose` feature was my favorite when i had it on my desktop [02:25] Some of the effects don't seem to be working as I thought they would though. I also had to disable all 3D screensavers to get round a display freeze up problem a few days ago. [02:25] Walzmyn what is the expose feature [02:25]