[00:05] <Bodsda> anyone here?
[00:10] <jml> Bodsda: yep
[00:12] <Bodsda> jml, hey, a couple of days ago i set up a project on LP and put a file on a bzr branch, but i had to reinstall my system since then and now, when running     bzr init      i get   bzr: ERROR: Already a branch: ".".     is this a problem?
[00:13] <jml> Bodsda: I don't think so. "bzr init" will try to make a new branch in the current directory. If you are already a branch, it'll give you that message.
[00:14] <jml> Bodsda: if you want to get your files off Launchpad, just 'bzr branch <url-to-branch>'
[00:14] <Bodsda> jml, ok cool,.,. and  ive done     bzr add     has this now put the files on LP?
[00:14] <jml> Bodsda: no, it wouldn't have. 
[00:15] <jml> Bodsda: 'bzr add' just tells Bazaar to start tracking files. You'll have to do 'bzr commit' to store them in your branch.
[00:15] <jml> and depending on how you have things set up, you might have to do 'bzr push' to publish them on Launchpad.
[00:15] <Bodsda> yeah, did that aswell
[00:15] <Bodsda> jml, ok, cheers
[00:17] <jml> np
[00:19] <Bodsda> jml, my changes should appear soon here yes? -- https://code.launchpad.net/termtutor
[00:20] <jml> Bodsda: yes.
[00:23] <Bodsda> jml, i havent seen any changes online yet,.,. can youtell me if this is correct?
[00:23] <Bodsda> bod@bodubuntustu:~$ cd /home/bod/python_files/launchpad_bzr/
[00:23] <Bodsda> bod@bodubuntustu:~/python_files/launchpad_bzr$ bzr init
[00:23] <Bodsda> bzr: ERROR: Already a branch: ".".
[00:23] <Bodsda> bod@bodubuntustu:~/python_files/launchpad_bzr$ bzr add
[00:23] <Bodsda> added termTutorv0.1
[00:23] <Bodsda> added termTutorv0.1/README
[00:23] <Bodsda> added termTutorv0.1/chp1.py
[00:23] <Bodsda> added termTutorv0.1/chp1_q.py
[00:23] <Bodsda> added termTutorv0.1/chp1q.py
[00:24] <Bodsda> added termTutorv0.1/intro.py
[00:24] <Bodsda> added termTutorv0.1/locations
[00:24] <Bodsda> added termTutorv0.1/run_this.sh
[00:24] <Bodsda> added termTutorv0.1/termTutor.py
[00:24] <Bodsda> bod@bodubuntustu:~/python_files/launchpad_bzr$ bzr commit -m "first update to source files"
[00:24] <Bodsda> Committing to: /home/bod/python_files/launchpad_bzr/
[00:24] <Bodsda> missing termTutor
[00:24] <Bodsda> added termTutorv0.1
[00:24] <Bodsda> added termTutorv0.1/README
[00:24] <Bodsda> added termTutorv0.1/chp1.py
[00:24] <Bodsda> added termTutorv0.1/chp1_q.py
[00:24] <Bodsda> added termTutorv0.1/chp1q.py
[00:24] <Bodsda> added termTutorv0.1/intro.py
[00:24] <Bodsda> added termTutorv0.1/locations
[00:24] <Bodsda> added termTutorv0.1/run_this.sh
[00:24] <Bodsda> added termTutorv0.1/termTutor.py
[00:24] <Bodsda> deleted termTutor
[00:24] <Bodsda> Committed revision 2.
[00:24] <Bodsda> oops,.,.that was meant to be a pastebin link,.,.sorry
[00:25] <jml> Bodsda: have you pushed those changes to your branch?
[00:25] <spiv> Bodsda: pastebin the output of "bzr info"
[00:25] <Bodsda> jml, that is all ive done,.,.spiv,.k
[00:26] <Bodsda> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19493/
[00:26] <Bodsda> i havent pushed it
[00:27] <Bodsda> spiv, jml,,. how can i push the files?
[00:28] <spiv> "bzr push"
[00:29] <Bodsda> spiv, Permission denied (publickey).
[00:29] <Bodsda> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: please check connectivity and permissions (and try -Dhpss if further diagnosis is required)
[00:30] <Bodsda> i had to reinstall my OS after setting up the keys and bzr -- could that affect it spiv ?
[00:30] <mwhudson> there's a clue there -- do you have an ssh key set up in launchpad?
[00:30] <mwhudson> if you created a new key, then yes
[00:30] <Bodsda> yes
[00:31] <jml> Bodsda: have you still got the private key for the public key on LP?
[00:31] <Bodsda> jml, err,. no,. after the reinstall i would have probably lost that info
[00:31] <Bodsda> unless its online somewhere
[00:32] <Bodsda> shall i create a new ssh key?
[00:32] <jml> Bodsda: that's probably a good idea.
[00:32] <Bodsda> ok
[00:36] <Bodsda> jml, ok, i just made a new ssh key, shall i try bzr push   again?
[00:36] <jml> Bodsda: you need to tell Launchpad about your new SSH key first
[00:36] <Bodsda> jml, yeah, i just added it on there
[00:37] <jml> Bodsda: did you delete your old one from Launchpad?
[00:37] <Bodsda> yep
[00:37] <Bodsda> bzr push
[00:37] <jml> Bodsda: ahh ok.
[00:37] <Bodsda> worked
[00:37] <jml> Bodsda: cool!
[00:37] <Bodsda> Pushed up to revision 2
[00:37] <Bodsda> is the output
[00:37] <Bodsda> i guess thats good
[00:37] <jml> yep
[00:38] <jml> Bodsda: give LP a couple of minutes and the new revision should appear on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bodssocks/termtutor/termtutor
[00:38] <Bodsda> jml, cool cheers,.,. how can i remove a file from there?
[00:39] <jml> Bodsda: You just remove it from your branch using bzr.
[00:39] <jml> Bodsda: and then push up the new version
[00:40] <Bodsda> jml, i dont understand,.,. i add them with   bzr add      do i remove them with     bzr remove      ?
[00:40] <jml> Bodsda: that's right.
[00:40] <Bodsda> kk cheers
[01:04] <Bodsda> jml, hi again, just another quick question,,.what ive added to the branch is a folder with 6/7 files in it, but its actually added a bin file (being the oflder) and 6/7 files, is there a way of it just being a folder so you can download 1 thing and all the files are inside?
[01:05] <jml> Bodsda: I'm not 100% sure what you mean.
[01:06] <Bodsda> jml, is there a way of getting all these files -- http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bodssocks/termtutor/termtutor/revision/2 -- with 1 download? without downloading them all seperately is what i mean
[01:07] <kiko> Bodsda, uhh, why are you downloading through the web?
[01:07] <Bodsda> kiko, because i have no idea wth im doin ;~)
[01:08] <kiko> Bodsda, ah, that makes sense. :)
[01:08] <Bodsda> plz excuse he n00bness
[01:08] <Bodsda> but how do i download my files?
[01:08] <Bodsda> he=the
[01:08] <kiko> Bodsda, sure. can you explain what you are trying to do, big-picture?
[01:10] <Bodsda> kiko, yeah sure,.,. i am writing a python program, and i have people asking for the code, i have hosted it on LP and now im trying to download them because i wanted to know how to do it
[01:10] <kiko> Bodsda, okay. you download code in a bazaar branch using bzr? 
[01:11] <Bodsda> kiko, ok, assume im your long lost grandmother,.,.step by step plz
[01:11] <kiko> Bodsda, sure. :)
[01:14] <Bodsda> ;~)
[01:16] <kiko> Bodsda, so, let's check out this URL: https://edge.launchpad.net/termtutor
[01:16] <kiko> Bodsda, if you look at "Latest branches" you'll see one owned by you!
[01:17] <kiko> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bodssocks/termtutor/termtutor
[01:17] <Bodsda> ok
[01:17] <kiko> if you look at that page, you'll notice that there's instructions there on how to "Get this branch"
[01:17] <kiko> just run that command
[01:17] <kiko> you'll have a copy of the whole repo!
[01:18] <Bodsda> oh,.,.kiko,.,. cool,,.thanks alot m8
[01:18] <kiko> no problemo
[01:18] <Bodsda> all my probelms solved for today -- im off to bed,,.,.night
[03:16] <DBO> how long does launchpad take to "import" my key so i can push?
[03:17] <jamesh> DBO: PGP key?
[03:17] <DBO> rsa
[03:17] <jamesh> SSH keys should be usable immediately
[03:18] <DBO> it keeps comming back saying i dont have a registered ssh key
[03:18] <DBO> but im staring at it...
[03:18] <jamesh> DBO: are you logging in with your Launchpad user name?
[03:18] <mwhudson> DBO: pastebin a transcript of what you're trying to do?
[03:19] <DBO> bzr push bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Edo-plugins/do-plugins/trunk/
[03:19] <DBO> Launchpad user 'jason' doesn't have a registered SSH key
[03:19] <DBO> Permission denied (publickey).
[03:19] <DBO> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: please check connectivity and permissions (and try -Dhpss if further diagnosis is required)
[03:19] <DBO> mmmm oops
[03:20] <DBO> probably should add my user name eh?
[03:20] <spiv> Yeah :)
[03:20] <jamesh> are you Launchpad user "jason"?
[03:20] <DBO> thanks
[03:20] <thumper> DBO: or use launchpad-login and use lp:~do-plugins/do-plugins/trunk
[03:20] <spiv> (or tweak your ~/.ssh/config to always use the right username for that host)
[03:20] <jamesh> DBO: you can add a stanza to ~/.ssh/config so you don't need to remember
[03:20] <mwhudson> .ssh/config to the rescue
[03:20] <mwhudson> oh wow, no imagination in this team
[03:20] <jamesh> something like:
[03:20] <jamesh> Host bazaar.launchpad.net
[03:21] <jamesh>   User xxxx
[03:21] <DBO> yeah just a completely brain fart
[03:21] <DBO> sorry about that...
[03:22] <DBO> i for the life of me couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong
[03:22] <mwhudson> easy mistake to make
[03:24] <DBO> well i dont know who all is working on LP
[03:24] <DBO> but keep it up, its the best dev tool i've used
[03:40] <TiMiDo> hey i have a question is there any editors? so i can open the MO and PO files?
[03:40] <TiMiDo> so i can translate?
[03:46] <jamesh> TiMiDo: if you are looking for desktop software for editing PO files, gtranslator or kbabel might be worth looking at
[03:46] <jamesh> (you can also do the translations through the web, of course)
[03:47] <TiMiDo> thnx jamesh 
[06:47] <Peng> Is bzr slow right now?
[06:47] <Peng> Oh god, this repo is using knits.
[06:47] <Peng> Never mind.
[06:48] <Peng> I'll switch to bzr+ssh..
[06:52] <ianm_> anyone willing to help import a new project?
[06:56] <jml> ianm_: sure.
[06:56] <jml> ianm_: what needs doing?
[06:57] <ianm_> jml: it's not in any version control atm
[06:57] <ianm_> jml: so I'll just put a .tar.gz online, ok?
[06:57] <jml> ianm_: whatever suits you.
[06:58] <ianm_> jml: it includes a sqlite database (2.3M), is there anything special to do for that?
[06:58] <jml> ianm_: let's step back a bit
[06:59] <jml> ianm_: you want to put your sourcecode on Launchpad as a new project?
[06:59] <ianm_> right
[06:59] <jml> ianm_: ok. have you registered the project?
[06:59] <ianm_> yeah
[06:59] <ianm_> https://launchpad.net/~ian-mcintosh
[06:59] <ianm_> oh
[06:59] <ianm_> no not this one
[06:59] <ianm_> others
[07:00] <ruiboon> hi. not sure if this is the right channel to ask, but how do i open a bug task for ubuntu in launchpad? i closed a firefox task as it is not due to it but some other package which i am not sure of. i have tired also affect distro but it gives me an error
[07:00] <jml> ruiboon: this is the right channel to ask on. what error do you get?
[07:00] <jml> ianm_: the first step is registering a project.
[07:00] <ianm_> jml: ok. on it
[07:01] <ruiboon> jml: i went to the +distrotask page, select ubuntu and leave the package name blank. error: "This bug is already on Ubuntu. Please specify an affected package in which the bug has not yet been reported."
[07:01] <jml> ruiboon: what's the bug?
[07:01] <ruiboon> jml: bug 238834
[07:02] <jml> ruiboon: hmm. so you want to say that it's on ubuntu but not on the firefox ubuntu package?
[07:02] <jml> interesting..
[07:04] <ruiboon> jml: this bug is definitely not a firefox bug. but i do not know the correct package for it. thus opening up a generic ubuntu task
[07:04] <jml> ruiboon: sounds sensible to me.
[07:04] <jml> BjornT: ^^
[07:06] <persia> ruiboon: That's discouraged.  You might ask in #ubuntu-bugs for help in identifying the right package.
[07:06] <persia> (Of course, this doesn't mean LP oughtn't have an interface: it may be interesting for other projects)
[07:07] <ruiboon> persia: ah.. Thanks. will go over and ask it
[07:22] <BjornT> ruiboon: to target it to ubuntu itself, without a package, you have to edit the firefox task, and clear out the package name
[07:24] <ruiboon> BjornT: thanks
[07:30] <jml> ianm_: how's it going?
[07:47] <ianm_> jml: ok it's up https://launchpad.net/amigo
[07:48] <jml> ianm_: cool.
[07:52] <jml> ianm_: now, I could swear there was a way to add a tarball for a release of a project
[07:52] <sadmac> Launchpad is listing push URLs for new hosted branches that don't work
[07:52] <jml> sadmac: what's the error you're getting?
[07:53] <sadmac> jml: bzr: ERROR: Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[07:53] <spiv> sadmac: ah, that's because you haven't done "bzr launchpad-login"
[07:53] <jml> sadmac: ahh yeah, there's a trick with that. You have to tell bzr your launchpad login:
[07:53] <jml> sadmac: bzr launchpad-login <your-lp-login>
[07:53] <spiv> sadmac: the launchpad bzr plugin could be more helpful about that :(
[07:54] <jml> I'm pretty sure recent versions of bzr do warn you about it.
[07:54] <spiv> jml: oh, good :)
[07:54] <jml> or at least, I got a warning about it today when I was using bzr 1.6b2 on a new system :)
[07:55] <ianm_> jml: http://info.openanswers.org/downloads/amigo-0.5.tar.gz
[07:55] <sadmac> spiv,jml:thanks
[07:55] <jml> ianm_: do you want to put that into version control on Launchpad?
[07:55] <ianm_> jml: yeah
[07:56] <jml> ianm_: cool! do you have bzr on your system?
[07:56] <ianm_> jml: just installed it
[07:56] <ianm_> (new machine)
[07:57] <jml> ianm_: ok. so, basically you need to do something like this:
[07:57] <jml> tar xzf amigo-0.5.tar.gz
[07:58] <jml> cd amigo-0.5
[07:58] <jml> bzr init
[07:58] <jml> bzr add
[07:58] <jml> bzr ci -m "Initial import of amigo"
[07:58] <ianm_> ok
[07:58] <jml> bzr push lp:~<username>/amigo/trunk
[08:02] <ianm_> done (btw had to do the launchpad-login thing mentioned above)
[08:02] <jml> ianm_: oh right, forgot to mention that :)
[08:03] <jml> ianm_: what you can do now is set the new branch as amigo's development focus
[08:04] <jml> which is Launchpad's way of saying 'trunk'
[08:04] <jml> it'll also mean people can get your code by doing 'bzr branch lp:amigo', which is handy
[08:06] <ianm_> done.  does it look right?
[08:07] <jml> ianm_: looks great!
[08:07] <ianm_> awesome, thanks for the help!
[08:07] <jml> ianm_: my pleasure.
[11:18] <davmor2> quick query on merged accounts,  Should the email aliasing not change to be that of the new account?
[11:53] <tehk> When I push to a project the projects recent revisions page shows "By <email address hidden>" is there anyway to avoid that?
[11:54] <Peng> Avoid what?
[11:55] <tehk> Well I want it to link to my launchpad account
[11:56] <tehk> Here is my example: https://code.launchpad.net/~awn-extras/awn-extras/trunk
[11:56] <thekorn> run   bzr whoami "Frank Chu <fchu@example.com>"
[11:57] <Peng> tehk: Email addresses are only shown if you're logged in.
[11:57] <Peng> tehk: Also, you need to put < and > around your address in your whoami for it to be parsed correctly.
[11:57] <tehk> Peng: That was the issue, thanks. '<>'
[12:00] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[12:44] <Laibsch> Hi, I am trying to import an SVN branch from code.google.com.  But both attempts at https://code.launchpad.net/subdownloader/+branches have failed
[12:44] <Laibsch> I think I am making a stupid error.  Is there someone kind enough to have a quick look?
[12:50] <intellectronica> Laibsch: iirc there problems importing from google code's svn repositories. let me see if i can find more information
[12:56] <Laibsch> that would be very much appreciated
[12:56] <thumper> Laibsch: code.google.com is notorious for dropping connections while we are attempting to import the branch
[12:57] <thumper> Laibsch: often many attempts will fail then one will succeed
[12:57] <Laibsch> hehe, I guess someone (with a bad product) does not like competition
[12:57] <Laibsch> ;-)
[12:57] <thumper> Laibsch: leave the import attempt going
[12:58] <thumper> Laibsch: it may well succeed at some stage :-)
[12:59] <Laibsch> thumper: Just so that I am not wasting my time with an incorrect setup, would I need to import http://subdownloader.googlecode.com/svn or http://subdownloader.googlecode.com/svn/trunk ?
[12:59]  * thumper goes to look
[13:04] <thumper> Laibsch: I think you revision 19 may be quite large
[13:04] <thumper> Laibsch: it is possible that our process that watches for output is killing the import prematurely
[13:07] <Laibsch> OK, do you have sufficient privs to restart the import for https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/subdownloader/trunk ?
[13:07] <thumper> Laibsch: it is running now
[13:08] <Laibsch> cool, thanks
[13:08] <thumper> Laibsch: but it looks as if it will be killed again :(
[13:08] <Laibsch> :-(
[13:08]  * Laibsch takes a look at r19
[13:08] <thumper> Laibsch: I'll talk with the main import dude in about 8 hours
[13:08] <thumper> Laibsch: it could be the revision after 19, not sure
[13:08]  * thumper goes to sleep now
[13:11] <Laibsch> thumper: sleep tight.  Thank you.
[13:14] <Laibsch> thumper: Looks like it went through!
[13:14] <Laibsch> Yay!
[13:20] <Laibsch> Actually, I don't think it did.  It was just the error message was different
[15:37] <lucas> hi
[15:38] <lucas> I'm working on a script that fetches bug data from launchpad. apparently, edge.launchpad.net is slightly faster than launchpad.net itself. is the content of the DB the same, or is edge.launchpad.net lagging behind?
[15:39] <jamesh> lucas: edge.launchpad.net runs off the same database as launchpad.net but has slightly newer code
[15:40] <lucas> ok, thank you
[15:41] <kiko> lucas, intriguing that it's slightly faster though!
[15:42] <lucas> kiko: maybe it's just less loaded by other requests
[15:42] <kiko> lucas, it runs on the same machines :)
[15:42] <kiko> just different codebase
[15:42] <kiko> and server processes
[15:43] <lucas> then maybe you allocate too many server processes to edge ;)
[15:43] <kiko> heh
[15:47] <Hobbsee> lucas: don't say that.
[15:47] <Hobbsee> lucas: if you're looking for slow, connect from au.
[15:47]  * Hobbsee appreciates all speed gains :P
[16:23] <nhandler> Could someone point me to a guide for setting up a LP hosted project to use LP as its Bug Tracker?
[16:48] <kiko-fud> nhandler, well, help.launchpad.net contains all the documentation. what are you asking for specifically?
[16:49] <mtaylor> nhandler: go to the project page, click "Change details"
[16:50] <mtaylor> nhandler: there's a selection area in the middle "Bugs are tracked" ... there's not much more to it than that
[16:50] <nhandler> mtaylor, Thanks. the project isn't mine, so I can't test it, but I'll pass the info along. Thanks
[17:29] <twruottu> How do I remove a project/package from a bug?
[17:30] <Peng> If you can't, just resolve it Invalid.
[17:33] <mpt> That's bug 1342
[17:46] <jcastro> kiko: around?
[17:48] <kiko> jcastro, phone
[18:22] <mathiaz> Hi - is there a text version of a team package bug reports (eg https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/+packagebugs) ?
[18:33] <kiko> mathiaz, not of the actual listing -- I'd love a CSV export to be done though
[18:35] <mathiaz> kiko: well - I'm looking to extract the list of subscribed packages by a team - I'll scrape the html for now
[18:49] <kiko> mathiaz, yeah, soon you'll be able to use a launchpad python client library -- just ask barry!
[19:01] <Rinchen> >> LP meeting right now at #launchpad-meeting
[19:07] <kiko> before people ask
[19:07] <kiko> yes
[19:07] <kiko> there is a weird iframe in every page on edge
[19:07] <kiko> working on it :)
[19:18] <qense> are there currently changes being made in the beta template?
[19:18] <qense> I've got an empty text box in the left-bottom of every page with the text 'close' under it, which seems clickabel, but isn't
[19:18] <qense> and the drop-down boxes don't work
[19:19] <kiko> heh
 before people ask
 yes
 there is a weird iframe in every page on edge
 working on it :)
[19:19] <qense> ok :)
[19:19] <qense> I just got an email from Tom Berger explaining all this
[19:20] <intellectronica> qense: no, the empty box is a bug. the new bug page layout is here to stay :)
[19:20] <qense> OK, I'm reading the email now. I think it explains everything
[19:20] <qense> but what has happened to the image rendering? it's horrible now!
[19:21] <kiko> image rendering?
[19:21] <qense> well, not rendering of course, but their quality is horrible
[19:22] <kiko> qense, shift-reload?
[19:22] <matsubara> kiko: https://devpad.canonical.com/~matsubara/bug-page.png
[19:22] <matsubara> intellectronica: ^
[19:23] <qense> shift+r doesn't seem to do anything at all Weird FF
[19:23] <beuno> kiko, also, the new bug page seems to have broken javascript for expanding the information on the right side\
[19:23] <intellectronica> matsubara: anything in particular i should focus on? looks just like it does on mine
[19:24] <intellectronica> beuno: really? what problem are you experiencing (with JS)?
[19:25] <beuno> intellectronica, Error: initInlineHelp is not defined
[19:25] <beuno> Source File: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/139202
[19:25] <beuno> Line: 68
[19:25] <matsubara> intellectronica: not sure how the page is supposed to look, but it sure looks weird to me. the Actions menu, the bug title wrapping, no icons for the dupe, privacy and question links
[19:25] <intellectronica> beuno: yes. we're aware of that, but that's not related to the new bug page. that's a problem in the main template. hopefully we;ll have a fix shortly
[19:26] <intellectronica> matsubara: don't worry, you'll get used to it with time :P
[19:26] <beuno> intellectronica, ah, cool. Thanks  :)
[19:27] <intellectronica> beuno: thanks for helping test these changes
[19:27] <beuno> icons look cool  :)
[19:27] <intellectronica> matsubara: if you find things changes that are too hard to swallow, raise bugs. we can still change stuff until the release
[19:28] <intellectronica> beuno: cool. mpt will be thrilled to hear that
[19:28] <matsubara> intellectronica: will do
[19:28] <kiko> intellectronica, it's just system change shock syndrome. you will need to ignore the first weeks of complaints :)
[19:28] <intellectronica> what complaints?
[19:30] <qense> pedro already said he didn't like it ;)
 iak looks awful
[19:30] <qense> so that's one large bug traiger not liking it
[19:31] <matsubara> intellectronica: so, the subscribers portlet and search portlet should disapper too?
[19:31] <intellectronica> matsubara: at some point in the future, but for now they stay where they are
[19:32] <qense> I've got someone at #ubuntu-youth who says the registration process is broken
[19:32] <matsubara> intellectronica: okay, because they don't work for me (i.e. clicking the arrow doesn't unfold it)
[19:32] <qense> he says he's sure that he has filled everything correctly.
[19:32] <matsubara> qense: how broken?
[19:32] <qense> the information 'can't be understand'
[19:33] <qense> (ed)
[19:33] <intellectronica> matsubara: yes. i suspect this is a result of the initInlineHelp JS error
[19:33] <matsubara> okie
[19:33] <intellectronica> matsubara: portlet collapsing/expanding doesn't work on any page :(
[19:33] <matsubara> ouch
[19:34] <qense> I
[19:35] <qense>  ve got no problems with registereing
[19:36] <qense> I think it's a problem of the user
[19:37] <matsubara> qense: do you have the URL of the page? the one he's using to register
[19:37] <qense> I gave him the https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug page
[19:37] <matsubara> wrong one, should be launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug
[19:37] <qense> but he wants to file a bug against ubuntu
[19:38] <matsubara> oh, I thought you pointed him to file a bug about the registration problem
[19:38] <qense> no :)
[19:39] <qense> I'm asking him to copy the content of the field
[19:40] <qense> he's using a @live.com address
[19:40] <qense> and he doesn't want to give the address
[19:42] <qense> are things like hotmail and live banned somehow?
[19:42] <matsubara> surely not
[19:42] <qense> OK, that's really weird
[19:43] <matsubara> well, you can ask him to private message me describing the problem plus the data he's using
[19:43] <qense> OK
[19:43] <qense> (what's the command for PMing? :P)
[19:44] <Jarlen> . /msg
[19:44] <qense> ok
[19:45] <qense> incomming PM
[19:45] <matsubara> qense: you need to be registered on freenode to be able to private message
[19:45] <matsubara> or he needs to be registered :-)
[19:45] <qense> ah noo!
[19:57] <beuno> oh, so, LP is giving my timeouts
[19:57] <beuno> edge
[19:57] <beuno> is that expected?
[19:57] <beuno> (never got a timeout before)
[19:59] <matsubara> beuno: sort of. edge is running really bleeding edge code there.
[20:00] <beuno> matsubara, alright, as long as you guys know about, It's aaaaaaaall good
[20:19] <SpookyET> hi
[20:19] <SpookyET> Can one link me to a tutorial on how to use PPA's bzr? I'd like to store packages in bzr. Idealy, only "debian" folders. Do you use +junk?
[20:21] <beuno> SpookyET, you want to get the latest version of bzr from PPA?
[20:25] <SpookyET> beuno: I just want version control for the packages I upload to PPA.
[20:26] <beuno> SpookyET, I don't follow. You don't need anything special to do that
[20:26] <beuno> and they're not related in anyway
[20:26] <SpookyET> beuno: Isn't bzr just for projects?
[20:26] <beuno> SpookyET, bzr is for *anything* you want to use it for
[20:26] <beuno> you can version your projects
[20:27] <beuno> and you can upload them to PPA independently
[20:27] <beuno> SpookyET, https://help.launchpad.net/BzrHowto
[20:27] <beuno> maybe that's what you're looking for
[20:27] <beuno> and, seperatly, https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart
[20:28] <SpookyET> i presume that you can't store .orig.tar.gz or anything big like that
[20:28] <beuno> well, you can, yes. Not sure why you would though. Versioning just code is much more useful
[20:28] <SpookyET> It's not my code. 
[20:29] <SpookyET> I want to use it for packages I modify or create
[20:29] <Odeesi> hi
[20:29] <beuno> SpookyET, so you just want to version the debian/ directory
[20:29] <beuno> what size is the tar.gz?
[20:30] <SpookyET> beuno: Yep. 
[20:30] <SpookyET> beuno: from small to very large
[20:30] <beuno> SpookyET, I recommend just versioning the debian/ directory
[20:30] <beuno> and leave the rest out
[20:31] <Odeesi> may i just ask a small question?
[20:31] <beuno> but, well, bzr let's you do it anyway you want, so, unless files are in the hundreds of megs, choose any workflow that works for you
[20:31] <SpookyET> it would have been nice if dh_make was smart enough to download the .tar.gz similar to pacman, conary
[20:34] <beuno> Odeesi, sure
[20:35] <Odeesi> well, I am running a rootserver with Ubuntu Dapper Drake... unfortunately, I now need software for it that requires Gutsy Gibbon... so, as I don't want to reinstall everything, is there any chance to upgrade to gutsy as edgy is no longer supported?
[20:36] <beuno> Odeesi, ah, this probably isn't the channel to ask that
[20:36] <beuno> #ubuntu would be more appropriate for support
[20:37] <Odeesi> ah, okay... sorry ;)
[20:43] <SpookyET> Odeesi: just create a dapper drake package
[20:46] <SpookyET> beuno: bzr-builddeb I'm not sure it works without having everything
[20:46] <Odeesi> well, the prob is that it's proprietary software... so I can't just create a dapper package :(
[20:47] <SpookyET> Odeesi: is it in the repo, or downloaded from somwhere else?
[20:48] <Odeesi> it's from somewhere else
[20:50] <SpookyET> upgrade
[20:51] <SpookyET> change sources.list
[20:51] <Odeesi> well, that's the prob, I mean, if there would be a chance to either upgrade directly to gutsy or to upgrade first to edgy, it woulda be cool... but as edgy ain't supported anymore, the repo from edgy ain't available (at least to me) anymore
[20:52] <SpookyET> Odeesi: backup and try gutsy directly
[20:53] <Odeesi> well, that's the other problem ;) I don't have physical access to the server and am just able to connect via SSH... which is usually fine, but in this case it sorta s*cks 
[20:55] <Odeesi> So I either need a possibility to upgrade to Gutsy directly or to somehow upgrade to edgy first
[20:58] <SpookyET> Why haven't you upgraded years ago?
[21:00] <Odeesi> because until now, I was happy with 6.06 LTS
[21:02] <kiko> Odeesi, gutsy?
[21:02] <Odeesi> I need to get to gutsy from dapper, yes
[21:02] <kiko> why gutsy?
[21:02] <kiko> why not hardy?
[21:02] <Odeesi> because with hardy I would have the problem that e.g. Plesk doesn't work
[21:03] <Odeesi> Parallels only provide installation packages for dapper and gutsy :(
[21:03] <Odeesi> same with some other proprietary software
[21:03] <kiko> Odeesi, I think iamfuzz is rectifying parallels at least
[21:07] <Odeesi> well, that would be Plesk then... but other proprietary software I need also just works with older ubuntus... and gutsy is atm the version where I need to make the smalles compromises 
[21:08] <kiko> Odeesi, I really wouldn't upgrade to gutsy if I were you
[21:10] <Odeesi> why not?
[21:16] <SpookyET> Odeesi: buggy crap