[03:35] <bbyever> owh: hi
[07:32] <ruiboon> Hi. my area here is having an IT show where they sell it products. While, i am glad that there are more laptop preinstalled with ubuntu are being sold, the salesman seems to be lacking in knowledge about ubuntu. May i suggest that we come out with a 'idiot's guide to selling ubuntu laptops'  to bridge the gap?
[07:36] <Burgundavia> ruiboon: you could write one yourself. sounds like a great project
[07:42] <ruiboon> Burgundavia: indeed. i was wondering if there are already materials available as i am not great with design/graphics
[07:42] <Burgundavia> ruiboon: check out the DIY page on the wiki
[07:48] <ruiboon> Burgundavia: thanks for the reference. i am going to add this idea to brainstorm as well soon
[07:48] <Burgundavia> a generic "how to sell ubuntu" would be cool
[13:53]  * cody-somerville moans.
[13:54]  * pep joins the moan.
[18:15]  * cody-somerville prods Jono.
[18:25] <pep> what I see on this list goes further than what I have ever seen since I am involved in FLOSS projects...
[18:27] <cody-somerville> pep, lol
[18:27] <cody-somerville> What do you mean by that?
[18:28] <pep> just letting it out... I just find some things incredible
[18:28] <pep> It is not that I am against initiative
[18:28] <pep> but it seems kind of unreal to me what I am reading
[18:29] <pep> for me, FOSS projects have always gone pair with a great respect of the more experienced
[18:29] <pep> it is  what I learned very soon when i entered the Linux community
[18:29] <pep> when you come into a new project, you watch.
[18:30] <pep> you just look around you, and you're nothing, until you have gained yourself a certain respect and recognition from the more experienced members
[18:30] <pep> which of course does not at all interfere with bringing new ideas and projects, and skills or any initiative...
[18:31] <pep> but here I just constantly stare at my screen astonished...
[18:31] <pep> I don't know if you understand
[18:31] <izamryan> :-)
[18:32] <izamryan> the recent developments on the mailing list are quite interesting, yeah hehe
[18:32] <pep> indeed :)
[18:38] <cody-somerville> indeed
[19:34] <Flannel> pep, cody-somerville: It is unreal.  I'm not really sure where such large rifts in understanding come from
[19:35] <cody-somerville> :]
[19:35] <Flannel> If it continues, I think we should seriously considering bringing it to the CC
[20:30]  * pep points out that there is new email on ubuntu-marketing. Consider reading it carefully...
[20:31] <pep> I understand this, and I think to be experienced enough to realize what is happening.
[20:32] <pep> But I am afraid I only have three years of experience in actively participating in FOSS projects, a little more than a year in Ubuntu, I am only 19 years old, 20 this year, and furthermore, relatively new to the marketing team. I cannot allow myself to say certain things.
[20:33] <pep> I don't know... but I think it is the role of more experienced/respected and listened-to people to interfere.
[21:04] <Flannel> pep: I wouldn't say three years is a small amount of time.  And age doesn't matter.  I think the problem is that there are people who extremely unfamiliar, and aren't listening... period, and instead are sticking to their ideas as "the only" right way
[21:42] <pep> Flannel: I share your view.