[01:41] <Techiedragon> I am having difficulty getting the wireless card i n my laptop to work right
[01:41] <Techiedragon> It looks like it is activating correctly but I am unable to even ping the router...
[01:41] <Techiedragon> running ubuntu 8.04server
[01:43] <kgoetz> hi all. cron-apt and apt-get are disagreeing about wether a file needs upgrading or not. is this something i should be worried about? (i'm thinking security issues) http://paste.ubuntu.com/19758/
[01:44] <Techiedragon> don't know - I am fighting with a wireless card
[01:45] <Techiedragon> It looks like everything works; but can't even ping the router....
[01:46] <kgoetz> wireless in a server?
[01:46] <Techiedragon> laptop.
[01:46] <kgoetz> ah right
[01:46] <Techiedragon> I am trying to setup the wireless card to act as a backup for when the cats knock out the ethernet cable
[01:46] <nealmcb> ﻿yo email experts.  I'm helping folks out with a server which is currently not properly handling email, and the guy with the backup is out-of-town until tomorrow night.  I wonder if there is an easy-to-set-up "mx backup" or "mail bagging" configuration that we can set up on another machine, and redirect the mx records to the new machine and just get the new machine to spool everything for later delivery and thus prevent bounces.
[01:46] <nealmcb> ﻿ I know that dns takes time to update so for this situation it may not be appropriate, but I saw webservio's mail-bagging offering, and it got me to thinking that that would be a good service to have handy for other similar circumstances.  Can we do this with a custom postfix config?   http://www.webservio.net/hosting/mail/bagging/index.html
[01:47] <Techiedragon> that and my first experience with ubuntu..... so learning experience. :)
[01:47] <kgoetz> Techiedragon: i suggest buying ethernet cables with working clips ;)
[01:48] <Techiedragon> kgoetz now what does that do with helping me learn about setting up the wireless card???
[01:48] <kgoetz> Techiedragon: it will help you avoid it : D
[01:48] <Techiedragon> I was taking unix in college (went back to school ) - I installed ubuntu on a USB HD so that I could work both at home and at school.
[01:48] <Techiedragon> I have to use Windows for everything else
[01:49] <Techiedragon> kgoetz that doesn't really help
[01:49] <kgoetz> oh well. you win some, you lose some.
[01:57] <keithclark> hey everyone!  I seem to be having a problem accessing a usb drive via an ssh session with nautilus.  It won't mount the drive.
[01:59] <keithclark> It just gives the following error:
[01:59] <keithclark> A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal")
[02:00] <keithclark> Sorry, that did not work.....here is the error:
[02:00] <keithclark> A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal")
[02:02] <sommer> keithclark: seems like an issue with nautilus to me... have you tried mounting the drive via cli?
[02:03] <keithclark> sommer: No.
[02:06] <keithclark> sommer: I would rather use nautilus and dragging and dropping files is way easier than the cli equivalents
[02:06] <keithclark> sommer: and more efficient
[02:08] <sommer> keithclark: gotcha, not sure what to try myself, you might also ask in #ubuntu
[02:08] <keithclark> sommer: as soon as you mention ssh sessions, they point to here.
[02:10] <sommer> heh, you might just give it some time then... someone else may know, but one thing that does come to mind is policykit
[02:10] <sommer> haven't dealt with it myself, but you might need to adjust settings regarding that
[02:10] <keithclark> sommer: yeah, I have a lot to learn.
[02:10]  * sommer doesn't really use nautilus for much
[04:59] <yell0w> !5
[04:59] <yell0w> oops
[05:27] <Buzz_> [05:25] <Buzz_> i have a celeron based fileserver. when doing a network transfer from it, i get speed like 5mb/second. If i run something like "cpuburn" on the machine the speed increases. I assume the cpu is entering some acpi sleep state which is affecting network speed. Has anyone else had similar problems and is there a workaround ?
[05:28] <Buzz_> ignore me.. i think ive solved it
[05:29] <Buzz_> i accidently had enabled p4-clockmod. oops
[05:29] <Buzz_> (doh)
[07:41] <spiekey> Good morning Ubuntu!
[07:42] <spiekey> has anyone an idea about my Blue-Ray device? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2008-June/001683.html
[07:42] <spiekey> looks like i just dumped 250€ :-/
[07:48] <LMJ> hi spiekey : sorry, I can't help you neither :-/
[07:54] <spiekey> okay, thanks :-(
[08:46] <kraut> moin
[12:40] <emgent> heya
[12:40] <sommer> yo
[13:22] <J_P> hi all
[13:22] <J_P> people, what fiel configuration I need change to change value for "systems has mounted 30 times, check forced" ?
[14:14] <spiekey> has anyone here got egroupware with smbldap-tools running?
[14:22] <mysterycool> Lol, hi. :p
[14:22] <RaceKondition> hi :P
[14:22] <RaceKondition> is it safe to dist-upgrade a live server running Gutsy to Hardy?
[14:23] <RaceKondition> should I remove some packages beforehand or is it safe to just run aptitude dist-upgrade as is?
[14:44] <LMJ> hello RaceKondition
[14:45] <LMJ> RaceKondition : are you more a apt-get or aptitude guy .
[14:45] <LMJ> ?
[14:45] <RaceKondition> aptitude
[14:45] <RaceKondition> but I chose the do-release-upgrade tool for the job
[14:45] <RaceKondition> and I'm running the upgrade now
[14:45] <LMJ> good, you should have not a lot of package orphaned, right ? (deborphan)
[14:46] <RaceKondition> you mean dependency conflicts or what?
[14:46] <RaceKondition> because I had none
[14:46] <RaceKondition> at least not that I know o
[14:46] <RaceKondition> f
[14:46] <RaceKondition> I've been using aptitude since day 1 so everything should be well-managed
[14:46] <LMJ> good
[14:47] <LMJ> you can run a dist-upgrade but take some time to check whatever package is removed forever or so
[14:47] <LMJ> except bad surprise, most of the upgrade I've did went fine
[14:49] <RaceKondition> LMJ: do-release-upgrade told me it would remove 3 packages none of which are necessary
[14:49] <LMJ> should be ok
[14:49] <RaceKondition> I can't figure out whether to keep the old /etc/apache2/mods-available/fcgid.conf or use the new one
[14:50] <LMJ> are you using this feature or not? did you ever modified it?
[14:52] <RaceKondition> I guess I didn't modify it
[14:52] <RaceKondition> if I decide to keep an old version of a configuration file, can I somehow check out the new one after the upgrade?
[14:53] <LMJ> You can also check a diff between the 2 version, if you choose to overwrite it, it will rename your conf with .dpkg-old or so
[14:53] <lukehasnoname> Why don't people tell you to use "apt-get autoremove" when uninstalling?
[14:54] <LMJ> aptitude purge ;)
[14:55] <RaceKondition> looks like the upgrade was a success. rebooting right now
[14:57] <RaceKondition> and... everything looks fine
[14:58] <RaceKondition> other than the apache2-mpm-itk package still being not installable...
[15:00] <LMJ> sound good ;)
[15:34] <lukehasnoname> Anyone know how to crack a BIOS password without using a floppy drive or opening the case?
[15:37]  * _ruben always used the 2nd option..
[15:38] <lukehasnoname> it's a laptop, and I didn't want to do that. I'm also reading that the Phoenix TrustedCore BIOS doesn't have backdoor pws
[15:38] <lukehasnoname> and I have to reboot after three unsuccessful tries, which slows down my guessing
[15:55] <Deeps> opening up a laptop isn't that scary
[15:55] <Deeps> or infact, scary at all
[16:04] <InsomniaCity> lukehasnoname: I doubt they'd give them to you even if it did :)
[16:08] <lukehasnoname> InsomniaCity: Many backdoor pws are on the net. In any case, none of the default phoenix ones worked.
[16:37] <ScottK> mathiaz or dendrobates: I made https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/amavisd-dkim last night.  Is that enough information or do you want the whole wiki spec template for that?
[16:50] <kees> good mornin'
[16:52] <lukehasnoname> good morrow
[16:55] <ScottK> Good morning kees.
[16:55] <ScottK> clamav security updates *cough*
[16:59] <kees> ScottK: yes!  thanks for the reminder.  I was swamping with X.org update regression testing.
[16:59] <kees> and I know emgent has a few waiting as well.  (/me wants security-in-soyuz so badly)
[17:00]  * ScottK too.
[17:01] <ScottK> With the same clamav in all 4 supported releases, figuring out patch is pretty trivial.  Getting it published is definitely the long pole in the tent.
[17:01] <ScottK> kees: Would it be sensible for me to have access to your clamav regression tests so I can pre-test stuff?
[17:07] <kees> ScottK: absolutely (and you do) https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/qa-regression-testing/master
[17:07] <kees> see scripts/test-clamav.py
[17:07] <ScottK> kees: Thanks.
[17:08] <kees> ScottK: no problemo
[17:08] <kees> ScottK: what would rock is to add tests for each CVE that comes through (though it's obviously not always possible)
[17:08] <ScottK> Let me get up to speed on running the tests and then I'll consider adding stuff.
[17:09] <ScottK> It'd help if clamav were a little more open about what exactly they were worried about.
[18:03] <dendrobates> ScottK: If it is trivial to implement, you can leave out the spec wiki.
[18:09] <ScottK> dendrobates: It's 3 MIRs and a small config file change.  I'd call that trivial.
[18:10] <ScottK> dendrobates: I am very interested in feedback on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-flavors - It's mostly done now (the spec anyway).
[18:31] <J_P> hey all, what package I need install to works for when I press button for shutdown system eill be halt automacally, without halt command ?
[18:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> you dont need speical packages?
[18:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> s/?//
[18:36] <J_P> Kamping_Kaiser: what I need so ? I try press here, and not shutdown... :-(
[18:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> J_P, what ubuntu release?
[18:39] <J_P> VK5FOSS: is Ubuntu server 8.0.4!
[18:40] <VK5FOSS> J_P, 8.04 (fwiw). it uses upstart, i'm not sure how you handle the shutdown thing (traditionally you'd look at /etc/inittab)
[18:41] <InsomniaCity> sounds like there's something stopping it shutting down...
[18:41] <J_P> VK5FOSS:  ubuntu 8.04 don't have ﻿/etc/inittab
[18:41] <InsomniaCity> have seen that on other distros.
[18:43] <VK5FOSS> J_P, no it doesnt, as a result of upstart (basically, i dont know how how to configure it)
[18:44] <J_P> :-(
[18:44] <J_P> VK5FOSS: I find this http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Shutdown_headless_server_when_power-button_pressed#Shutdown_a_headless_server_when_power_button_pressed  is for gentoo, but may be explain for ubuntu
[18:46]  * VK5FOSS waits for link to load
[18:56] <mathiaz> J_P: try to install the acpid package
[19:03] <J_P> mathiaz: yes, I install it and works :-)
[19:20] <thenewguy> hey guys how do force phpmyadmin to run under ssl
[19:24] <leonel> thenewguy: set the directory with a redirect to  https
[19:43] <thenewguy> leonel: how do i do that
[19:46] <rainerf> hi all! i was wondering if there is a way to install ubuntu-server to a degenerate raid...?
[19:47] <leonel> thenewguy: take a look at this : http://spellbook.infinitiv.it/2006/05/25/redirect-your-http-traffic-to-https.htm
[19:48] <rainerf> i ordered 3 hdds, one of which is DOA... still, i'd like to install my server, and plug the third drive in as soon as it's replaces.. since i'm only going to use raid1 and 5 this shouldn't be a problem with linux's software raid, but i can't get the installer to create the raid on just two disks...
[19:48] <LMJ> thenewguy : on the config option, under ssl, you can force it to use SSL
[19:48] <rainerf> i meant to write replaceD, of course ;)
[19:49] <LMJ> thenewguy : Webmin Configuration > SSL > Enable SSL if available?  <- Yes I guess here ;)
[19:51] <thenewguy> leonel: LMJ: thanks guy i shall try that
[20:03] <thenewguy> so i had a question, is there any difference in running ubuntu desktop with LAMP on it verse using ubuntu serve
[20:03] <thenewguy> i like the gui, is there any security diff
[20:04] <thenewguy> or speed
[20:04] <ScottK> More packages == More Security risk.
[20:05] <ScottK> Desktop is very heavy weight compared to server, so it will slow things down.
[20:05] <ScottK> Server has a different kernel that's more tuned for server work.
[20:05] <thenewguy> yaa but most on the time i will not be logged in
[20:05] <ScottK> Yes.
[20:06] <thenewguy> ok so the kernel is different
[20:06] <ScottK> Logged in or not, there is still stuff running unless you modify it.
[20:06] <ScottK> You might look into ebox if you want something GUI like on your server.
[20:06] <thenewguy> wat about if i install server then use apt-get to install desktop is that better
[20:07] <ScottK> That would get you the server kernel, but the other stuff is the same.
[20:07] <thenewguy> is ebox like webmin
[20:08] <thenewguy> ahh ebox is pretty, i shall look into it
[20:09] <thenewguy> thanks for the help ScottK
[21:02] <Centaur5> If a server has 2G ram is it best to not have a swap partition? Basically I put vm.swappiness=0 but it still starts swapping when only 700 mb of ram is used which doesn't make sense.
[21:13] <thenewguy> Centaur5: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq "swappiness=0 tells the kernel to avoid swapping processes out of physical memory for as long as possible"
[21:14] <thenewguy> "Reducing the default value of swappiness will probably improve overall performance for a typical Ubuntu desktop installation. A value of swappiness=10 is recommended, but feel free to experiment. Note: Ubuntu server installations have different performance requirements to desktop systems, and the default value of 60 is likely more suitable."
[21:19] <erichammond> Centaur5: The RAM and swap requirements may vary depending on the particular server needs and applications running on it.  On some servers I prefer that the software be killed than be swapped, so I don't use swap, but that's not appropriate for all situations.
[21:20] <Nico_> :
[21:20] <Nico_> I need help finding an Linux program, Does anyone remember the member:name of that program which is a Frontend program for downloading the top linux apps???  It is a graphical front end, and has catagories like  " Games,  Audio Apps, Internet Apps", and the program just downloads them for you
[21:33] <Centaur5> erichammond: Okay, I just thought that ratio seemed rather odd cause when that much memory is free I would think it would continue filling the memory rather than swapping.
[21:39] <erichammond> Centaur5: Since I generally run without swap, I'm not much of an expert on swap behavior :)
[21:43] <psufan> anyone to make the install cd just drop to a shell and then do nothing else
[21:43] <psufan> in a kickstart
[21:46] <[mad]Berry|Lappy> hey guys i'm trying to get wpa_supplicant to work on a laptop with hardy but the daemon doesn't seem to start any ideas?
[21:49] <Centaur5> erichammond: I think I'll just go without swap then. I didn't put that much ram in to not have it used.  :)
[21:51] <erichammond> Centaur5: Note that there is "used" and there is "used" when talking about RAM.  Having lots of "free" ram being "used" by cache is often a very good thing for performance, especially with databases.
[21:57] <jambooda> Does anyone have any idea how to go about monitoring my RAID on a Perc 6/i or Perc 6/E controller?
[21:57] <jambooda> i'm trying to query smart values from the controller using smartmontools and no dice
[21:57] <Centaur5> erichammond: Let's say in the case of a desktop used for web browsing and office apps with 512 ram using 200 on startup and starting to swap at 300 "used" with just a few applications open. Do you think that machine could do without swap?
[21:57] <jambooda> Dell is telling me they don't support Ubuntu Server so they can't help
[22:01] <jambooda> anyone?
[23:25] <intermediavishnu> is there is any diff between ubuntu and ubuntu server
[23:26] <hads> The same actual packages, just a different set.
[23:26] <Deeps> different default kernel
[23:26] <intermediavishnu> you mean the softwares
[23:26] <intermediavishnu> KDE or gmome
[23:26] <hads> Typically a server wouldn't have either.
[23:27] <intermediavishnu> then how will they work
[23:27] <Deeps> you can install them if you want to
[23:27] <Deeps> but server isnt installed with any gui by default
[23:28] <Deeps> as there arent many gui tools to control a server, mostly command line or web based
[23:28] <intermediavishnu> ok
[23:29] <intermediavishnu> i want to study Computer hardware & networking
[23:29] <intermediavishnu> is the linux networking good
[23:30] <Deeps> intermediavishnu: speak to InsomniaCity about that, he's here too
[23:30] <Deeps> pm him if he doesn't reply in here
[23:30] <InsomniaCity> intermediavishnu: well, I'd say if you're looking to study it
[23:30] <InsomniaCity> you'd want to look at all OSs
[23:30] <InsomniaCity> but yeah, as far as I know Linux networking is very good quality.
[23:31] <intermediavishnu> is all linux netwoking same or i have to choose the os
[23:32] <InsomniaCity> Different distributions configure networking in slightly different ways, but most have tools and so on to help you
[23:32] <InsomniaCity> But under the cover, yeah, Fedora networking is the same as Ubuntu.
[23:33] <intermediavishnu> ko
[23:33] <intermediavishnu> ok
[23:34] <intermediavishnu> does linux contains the command ping
[23:35] <InsomniaCity> yes
[23:41] <keithclark> Is it possible to start an ssh session from windows and run an application?