| _W_ | how do I bzr push with ssh to launchpad from Windows? there's no ~/.ssh, so obviously bazaar doesn't know where to find my private key | 00:37 |
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| wgrant | _W_: That's probably more of a #bzr question. | 00:39 |
| _W_ | yeah nevermind, didn't have pageant running | 00:42 |
| lifeless | wgrant: its relevant to #launchpad because #launchpad offers bzr hosting :P | 00:54 |
| wgrant | lifeless: Perhaps. But a more useful response would likely have appeared more rapidly in #bzr. | 00:58 |
| lifeless | wgrant: my point is that lurkers here that want to help (which you appear to be) should expect to develop some bzr skills | 00:59 |
| * wgrant unfortunately lacks experience in bzr on Windows. | 01:00 | |
| persia | Why is this unfortunate? | 01:00 |
| wgrant | Because it would have been useful 20 minutes ago | 01:00 |
| persia | Ah. I'd think you were fortunate not to have gained the experience, but I can see how it might help to be able to point to pageant quickly. | 01:01 |
| lifeless | wgrant: well you have some now, you see :P | 01:01 |
| wgrant | Yeah, I wasn't sure how SSH support would work on Windows. | 01:01 |
| wgrant | Yep. | 01:01 |
| _W_ | hehe | 01:09 |
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| Peng | Are you planning to add bzr+http support to bazaar.launchpad.net? | 02:20 |
| Peng | Statistics would be interesting, like what it did to server load, bandwidth usage, etc. | 02:21 |
| Peng | Same with when the branch mirroring thingy is upgraded to a version of bzr that auto-detects bzr+http. | 02:21 |
| owh | How is it possible that a person who creates a launchpad team can add me to that team without my permission or consent? | 02:23 |
| persia | owh: Because you're a person, and not a team. You can also remove yourself. | 02:24 |
| persia | Personally, I find it convenient to say "Please add me to team foo", and have someone do it without further action on my part, although I can see the downside as well. | 02:25 |
| owh | No, I'm not sure I'm getting my meaning across. This person created a team while I was asleep - literally - and I woke with an email that said that I was now part of that team. | 02:26 |
| owh | Apart from the breach of trust that this entails, the person is using the team membership as a means to garner credibility and perceived support. | 02:26 |
| persia | owh: That's an interesting use of a team, and definitely supports only sending invitations to those who are not already proposed members. | 02:27 |
| owh | So, how did they add me to the team at all? | 02:28 |
| persia | owh: Team admins have an interface to add people to the team. | 02:28 |
| Peng | Credibility and support for what? Just a software project? | 02:28 |
| persia | This currently sends an invitation if the object being added is a team, and just adds if the object being added is a person. | 02:29 |
| persia | Peng: Not all teams on LP are software teams. Some of the teams are decidedly odd. | 02:29 |
| owh | ubuntu-marketing is in a phase of transition. There are some who feel there should be a board with directors, one of those created a team called ubuntu-marketing-core and added two people to the team - I've not spoken to the other person yet - they're still asleep, but I'm fairly sure they will also object to this as we both think there is no need. | 02:30 |
| owh | So, it "feels" like a political grab for ground. | 02:31 |
| owh | Rather than discussion that comes to consensus. | 02:31 |
| persia | owh: Right. Nothing you can do now except remove yourself, which puts you permanently on the "former members" list. | 02:31 |
| owh | Hence my question about "How can this happen at all?" It's like I got subscribed to a mailing list without my consent, next thing I know I'll be fixing bugs I know nothing about :) | 02:32 |
| * persia thought owh did that anyway | 02:32 | |
| owh | Heh, touche :) | 02:32 |
| persia | No, it's a good thing :) | 02:33 |
| owh | persia: Of course the difference is that I'm volunteering to fix bugs I know nothing about, rather than being drafted :) | 02:33 |
| owh | So, is this phenomenon a "bug" or a "feature", or abuse of power? | 02:34 |
| persia | owh: It's just a previously undocumented use-case. Probably a bug is the best way to submit for review/consideration. | 02:35 |
| owh | In my bug report, should I make mention of the team where this occurred, or is that just going to fan the flames? | 02:44 |
| * owh will err on the side of caution and not make specific references. | 02:47 | |
| owh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/239909 | 02:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 239909 in launchpad "Team Administrator can arbitrarily add members without any action from the LP user" [Undecided,New] | 02:57 |
| owh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/239911 | 03:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 239911 in launchpad "Former Member management needs preference" [Undecided,New] | 03:03 |
| boredandblogging | are LP mailing list requests being approved or is lists.ubuntu.com still the preferred way? | 04:21 |
| beuno | boredandblogging, for ubuntu-related stuff, I believe lists.ubuntu.com is still prefered | 04:22 |
| beuno | for everything else, LP | 04:22 |
| beuno | and hi :) | 04:22 |
| boredandblogging | beuno: yeah, thats what I thought too, was trying to find some mailing list post that stated that | 04:23 |
| beuno | ah, I've just read it on IRC a few times, so I don't have such a think | 04:24 |
| boredandblogging | beuno: thanks | 04:27 |
| persia | boredandblogging: Also, both are being approved, but by some of the same people. l.u.c is generally the right place (as was said). | 04:30 |
| boredandblogging | persia: got it | 04:32 |
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| Hobbsee | ooh, new icons. | 12:01 |
| thumper | Hobbsee: where? | 12:10 |
| Hobbsee | thumper: the ones for adding a new upstream task to a bug. | 12:11 |
| * Hobbsee hasn't seen them that green before | 12:11 | |
| thumper | :) | 12:11 |
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| wgrant | Hmm, in the new UI, what if I want to add an attachment other than 'Add'? | 13:15 |
| thumper | wgrant: I'm not sure I know what you mean there | 13:17 |
| wgrant | Well, the Subscribers portlet has buttons like '(-) Yourself' and '(+) Someone else' | 13:17 |
| wgrant | So the '(+) Add' in the attachments portlet must mean that I'm adding an 'Add' attachment. | 13:18 |
| wgrant | Or your UI is inconsistent. | 13:18 |
| wgrant | I find the latter more likely, unfortunately. | 13:18 |
| thumper | wgrant: where are you looking? | 13:18 |
| wgrant | The new bug page layout - it's only on staging at the moment. | 13:19 |
| thumper | ah | 13:19 |
| wgrant | https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wxmaxima/+bug/43150, for example. | 13:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 43150 in wxmaxima "[SRU] maxima frontends fail to connect" [Medium,Fix released] | 13:19 |
| thumper | wgrant: please file a bug | 13:29 |
| wgrant | thumper: I've got quite a few to file about it, but I might wait until it actually lands on edge so I know it's not some unfinished version. | 13:30 |
| thumper | wgrant: it won't land on edge until rollout (I think) | 13:31 |
| thumper | wgrant: I'd say file a bug, or they'll think it is ok | 13:31 |
| thumper | wgrant: feel free to say "thumper made me do it" | 13:31 |
| thumper | :) | 13:31 |
| wgrant | thumper: OK, but I was told yesterday that edge update was off only because of speed regressions. | 13:31 |
| thumper | wgrant: yes, that is the case | 13:32 |
| thumper | wgrant: but once we open the database for changes, we no longer release to edge | 13:32 |
| thumper | wgrant: as we can't due to possible database incompatibilities | 13:32 |
| thumper | wgrant: and we have hit that mark | 13:32 |
| wgrant | Right, and that's ~ half-way through the cycle? | 13:32 |
| wgrant | So I shall file them. | 13:33 |
| thumper | wgrant: theoretically Friday past, but most likely Monday coming | 13:33 |
| * thumper goes to sleep now | 13:33 | |
| wgrant | Night. | 13:33 |
| thumper | night | 13:34 |
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| gianmt | guys why leave on the code page the instructions to push the repository like bzr push lp:~poppler-python/poppler-python/trunk if it doesn't work | 19:36 |
| gianmt | just update the page saying that bzr+ssh:// should be used instead | 19:36 |
| Peng | gianmt: Run 'bzr launchpad-login $username' | 19:53 |
| ddaa | gianmt: file about displaying "bzr launchpad-login $username" on the code page. | 20:05 |
| ddaa | s/file about/file a bug about/ | 20:05 |
| DanielRM | What's the purpose of the Launchpad IRC channel? | 20:30 |
| gianmt | ddaa, I will, thanks | 20:38 |
| gianmt | thanks Peng as well of course :) | 20:39 |
| ddaa | DanielRM: let users talk about launchpad, and get in touch with developers. | 20:39 |
| ddaa | In the past the development talk happened here too, but it was moved to a private IRC server. | 20:40 |
| Peng | DanielRM: Whining when bazaar.launchpad.net is slow. :) | 20:40 |
| * Peng ducks. | 20:40 | |
| ddaa | Peng: that's a very good use | 20:40 |
| DanielRM | ddaa: OK. I was just wondering whether you offered any support, in particular support for using Launchpad. :P | 20:40 |
| ddaa | do not forget complaining when code imports do not work | 20:40 |
| ddaa | that's one of the support place | 20:41 |
| ddaa | though last I checked the main support forum was answers.launchpad.net/launchpad | 20:41 |
| * DanielRM groans. | 20:41 | |
| DanielRM | I just can't figure out bug submission. | 20:41 |
| ddaa | answers.l.n is not for bugs | 20:41 |
| ddaa | it's for questions, and answers | 20:42 |
| ddaa | i.e. support or administrivia | 20:42 |
| rockstar | DanielRM, what's your specific problem? | 20:43 |
| DanielRM | The miracle of open-source... you can never figure out where you're supposed to be. ;-) | 20:43 |
| DanielRM | rockstar: I just needed help in submitting a bug after an error in, I suspect, Nautilus. The submission forms always confuse me, though; I never know what's expected of me. | 20:44 |
| rockstar | What's confusing you? | 20:44 |
| ddaa | that's a launchpad problem, not an open source problem | 20:44 |
| DanielRM | ddaa: I know. I'm a strong proponent of open-source really. | 20:44 |
| rockstar | ddaa, launchpad has no problems. :) | 20:44 |
| rockstar | Also, my poo doesn't stink. | 20:45 |
| * ddaa does not know how to take that | 20:46 | |
| DanielRM | rockstar: figuring out exactly which package from the list offered, for one, or alternatively which project. And then after that I remember quite a few forms which were worded in a way which confused me. :( | 20:46 |
| ddaa | Maybe I could point out that worked on launchpad for 3.5 years | 20:46 |
| ddaa | so I am in a very good position to know that it DOES have problems | 20:47 |
| ddaa | Or maybe I could say something about the smell of my poo. | 20:47 |
| DanielRM | Can I just ask what the fixation here is with poo? | 20:47 |
| ddaa | DanielRM: I'm trying to determine that too. Actually I believe that rockstar has anosmia. | 20:48 |
| ddaa | DanielRM: one technique some people use is "file a bug on some random package or product and wait for people to route the bug to the right place" | 20:49 |
| ddaa | however it has the unpleasant side effect of generating some ill-will. | 20:49 |
| ddaa | Another technique is to go on #ubuntu and try to catch the attention of someone who's something intelligent to say. | 20:50 |
| DanielRM | ddaa: I would ask what grounds you have for believing that, but I don't think I want to know, given that short of the most worrying situations he'd be better positioned to determine the smell of his own faeces. | 20:50 |
| rockstar | ddaa, I'm on the code team. :) Thus, saying that nothing I create has problems. I was being fececious. :) | 20:50 |
| ddaa | DanielRM: occam's razor | 20:50 |
| ddaa | rockstar: that's funny, I was on this team too. You'r probably the poor soul who's been hired to fill my slot. | 20:51 |
| rockstar | DanielRM, #ubuntu-bugs is much more helpful than #ubuntu for things like this. | 20:51 |
| DanielRM | Hmmm. | 20:51 |
| DanielRM | OK, to #ubuntu-bugs it is, then. | 20:51 |
| DanielRM | Thanks. :) | 20:51 |
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| siretart | hm. no idea how I did it, but I'm now logged in as bigjools on https://dogfood.launchpad.net/.. hmmm | 23:24 |
| bigjools | siretart: thanks for letting me know, I've seen it happen myself too (logged in as others that is) | 23:25 |
| sistpoty | hi... | 23:29 |
| siretart | bigjools: does this happen on edge as well? | 23:29 |
| sistpoty | hm... trying to look at bug #230350 gets me regular timeouts... any idea? | 23:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 230350 in chmsee "Missing Debian Maintainer field" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/230350 | 23:30 |
| bigjools | siretart: I really, really hope not. I shut dogfood down for now anyway | 23:30 |
| sistpoty | (I'm using stable btw) | 23:31 |
| bigjools | try edge | 23:33 |
| bdodson | Can anyone help me with this?: bzr: ERROR: Generic bzr smart protocol error: Permission denied: "Ben Dodson cannot create branches owned by Ben Dodson" | 23:33 |
| lifeless | eep | 23:46 |
| lifeless | thats interesting | 23:46 |
| lifeless | mwhudson_: ^ if you are around, or jml: ^ | 23:46 |
| lifeless | bdodson: can you start by filing a question on launchpad-bazaar - https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar | 23:47 |
| mwhudson_ | i am here but haven't had breakfast yet | 23:47 |
| mwhudson_ | :) | 23:47 |
| lifeless | mwhudson_: I'm two hours retarded, whats your excuse | 23:48 |
| mwhudson_ | lifeless: weekend? | 23:48 |
| lifeless | mmm, fair enough | 23:48 |
| lifeless | :) | 23:48 |
| cprov | siretart: can you reproduce the problem in dogfood now ? | 23:50 |
| siretart | cprov: it seems I have been 'logged out' now.. however since I don't know how I triggered that, I cannot comment if I can reproduce it or not | 23:53 |
| cprov | siretart: okay | 23:54 |
| bdodson | sure | 23:59 |
| bdodson | thanks | 23:59 |
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