[00:37] <_W_> how do I bzr push with ssh to launchpad from Windows? there's no ~/.ssh, so obviously bazaar doesn't know where to find my private key
[00:39] <wgrant> _W_: That's probably more of a #bzr question.
[00:42] <_W_> yeah nevermind, didn't have pageant running
[00:54] <lifeless> wgrant: its relevant to #launchpad because #launchpad offers bzr hosting :P
[00:58] <wgrant> lifeless: Perhaps. But a more useful response would likely have appeared more rapidly in #bzr.
[00:59] <lifeless> wgrant: my point is that lurkers here that want to help (which you appear to be) should expect to develop some bzr skills
[01:00]  * wgrant unfortunately lacks experience in bzr on Windows.
[01:00] <persia> Why is this unfortunate?
[01:00] <wgrant> Because it would have been useful 20 minutes ago
[01:01] <persia> Ah.  I'd think you were fortunate not to have gained the experience, but I can see how it might help to be able to point to pageant quickly.
[01:01] <lifeless> wgrant: well you have some now, you see :P
[01:01] <wgrant> Yeah, I wasn't sure how SSH support would work on Windows.
[01:01] <wgrant> Yep.
[01:09] <_W_> hehe
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[02:20] <Peng> Are you planning to add bzr+http support to bazaar.launchpad.net?
[02:21] <Peng> Statistics would be interesting, like what it did to server load, bandwidth usage, etc.
[02:21] <Peng> Same with when the branch mirroring thingy is upgraded to a version of bzr that auto-detects bzr+http.
[02:23] <owh> How is it possible that a person who creates a launchpad team can add me to that team without my permission or consent?
[02:24] <persia> owh: Because you're a person, and not a team.  You can also remove yourself.
[02:25] <persia> Personally, I find it convenient to say "Please add me to team foo", and have someone do it without further action on my part, although I can see the downside as well.
[02:26] <owh> No, I'm not sure I'm getting my meaning across. This person created a team while I was asleep - literally - and I woke with an email that said that I was now part of that team.
[02:26] <owh> Apart from the breach of trust that this entails, the person is using the team membership as a means to garner credibility and perceived support.
[02:27] <persia> owh: That's an interesting use of a team, and definitely supports only sending invitations to those who are not already proposed members.
[02:28] <owh> So, how did they add me to the team at all?
[02:28] <persia> owh: Team admins have an interface to add people to the team.
[02:28] <Peng> Credibility and support for what? Just a software project?
[02:29] <persia> This currently sends an invitation if the object being added is a team, and just adds if the object being added is a person.
[02:29] <persia> Peng: Not all teams on LP are software teams.  Some of the teams are decidedly odd.
[02:30] <owh> ubuntu-marketing is in a phase of transition. There are some who feel there should be a board with directors, one of those created a team called ubuntu-marketing-core and added two people to the team - I've not spoken to the other person yet - they're still asleep, but I'm fairly sure they will also object to this as we both think there is no need.
[02:31] <owh> So, it "feels" like a political grab for ground.
[02:31] <owh> Rather than discussion that comes to consensus.
[02:31] <persia> owh: Right.  Nothing you can do now except remove yourself, which puts you permanently on the "former members" list.
[02:32] <owh> Hence my question about "How can this happen at all?" It's like I got subscribed to a mailing list without my consent, next thing I know I'll be fixing bugs I know nothing about :)
[02:32]  * persia thought owh did that anyway
[02:32] <owh> Heh, touche :)
[02:33] <persia> No, it's a good thing :)
[02:33] <owh> persia: Of course the difference is that I'm volunteering to fix bugs I know nothing about, rather than being drafted :)
[02:34] <owh> So, is this phenomenon a "bug" or a "feature", or abuse of power?
[02:35] <persia> owh: It's just a previously undocumented use-case.  Probably a bug is the best way to submit for review/consideration.
[02:44] <owh> In my bug report, should I make mention of the team where this occurred, or is that just going to fan the flames?
[02:47]  * owh will err on the side of caution and not make specific references.
[02:57] <owh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/239909
[02:57] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 239909 in launchpad "Team Administrator can arbitrarily add members without any action from the LP user" [Undecided,New] 
[03:03] <owh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/239911
[03:03] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 239911 in launchpad "Former Member management needs preference" [Undecided,New] 
[04:21] <boredandblogging> are LP mailing list requests being approved or is lists.ubuntu.com still the preferred way?
[04:22] <beuno> boredandblogging, for ubuntu-related stuff, I believe lists.ubuntu.com is still prefered
[04:22] <beuno> for everything else, LP
[04:22] <beuno> and hi  :)
[04:23] <boredandblogging> beuno: yeah, thats what I thought too, was trying to find some mailing list post that stated that
[04:24] <beuno> ah, I've just read it on IRC a few times, so I don't have such a think
[04:27] <boredandblogging> beuno: thanks
[04:30] <persia> boredandblogging: Also, both are being approved, but by some of the same people.  l.u.c is generally the right place (as was said).
[04:32] <boredandblogging> persia: got it
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[12:01] <Hobbsee> ooh, new icons.
[12:10] <thumper> Hobbsee: where?
[12:11] <Hobbsee> thumper: the ones for adding a new upstream task to a bug.
[12:11]  * Hobbsee hasn't seen them that green before
[12:11] <thumper> :)
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[13:15] <wgrant> Hmm, in the new UI, what if I want to add an attachment other than 'Add'?
[13:17] <thumper> wgrant: I'm not sure I know what you mean there
[13:17] <wgrant> Well, the Subscribers portlet has buttons like '(-) Yourself' and '(+) Someone else'
[13:18] <wgrant> So the '(+) Add' in the attachments portlet must mean that I'm adding an 'Add' attachment.
[13:18] <wgrant> Or your UI is inconsistent.
[13:18] <wgrant> I find the latter more likely, unfortunately.
[13:18] <thumper> wgrant: where are you looking?
[13:19] <wgrant> The new bug page layout - it's only on staging at the moment.
[13:19] <thumper> ah
[13:19] <wgrant> https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wxmaxima/+bug/43150, for example.
[13:19] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 43150 in wxmaxima "[SRU] maxima frontends fail to connect" [Medium,Fix released] 
[13:29] <thumper> wgrant: please file a bug
[13:30] <wgrant> thumper: I've got quite a few to file about it, but I might wait until it actually lands on edge so I know it's not some unfinished version.
[13:31] <thumper> wgrant: it won't land on edge until rollout (I think)
[13:31] <thumper> wgrant: I'd say file a bug, or they'll think it is ok
[13:31] <thumper> wgrant: feel free to say "thumper made me do it"
[13:31] <thumper> :)
[13:31] <wgrant> thumper: OK, but I was told yesterday that edge update was off only because of speed regressions.
[13:32] <thumper> wgrant: yes, that is the case
[13:32] <thumper> wgrant: but once we open the database for changes, we no longer release to edge
[13:32] <thumper> wgrant: as we can't due to possible database incompatibilities
[13:32] <thumper> wgrant: and we have hit that mark
[13:32] <wgrant> Right, and that's ~ half-way through the cycle?
[13:33] <wgrant> So I shall file them.
[13:33] <thumper> wgrant: theoretically Friday past, but most likely Monday coming
[13:33]  * thumper goes to sleep now
[13:33] <wgrant> Night.
[13:34] <thumper> night
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[19:36] <gianmt> guys why leave on the code page the instructions to push the repository like bzr push lp:~poppler-python/poppler-python/trunk if it doesn't work
[19:36] <gianmt> just update the page saying that bzr+ssh:// should be used instead
[19:53] <Peng> gianmt: Run 'bzr launchpad-login $username'
[20:05] <ddaa> gianmt: file about displaying "bzr launchpad-login $username" on the code page.
[20:05] <ddaa> s/file about/file a bug about/
[20:30] <DanielRM> What's the purpose of the Launchpad IRC channel?
[20:38] <gianmt> ddaa, I will, thanks
[20:39] <gianmt> thanks Peng as well of course :)
[20:39] <ddaa> DanielRM: let users talk about launchpad, and get in touch with developers.
[20:40] <ddaa> In the past the development talk happened here too, but it was moved to a private IRC server.
[20:40] <Peng> DanielRM: Whining when bazaar.launchpad.net is slow. :)
[20:40]  * Peng ducks.
[20:40] <ddaa> Peng: that's a very good use
[20:40] <DanielRM> ddaa: OK. I was just wondering whether you offered any support, in particular support for using Launchpad. :P
[20:40] <ddaa> do not forget complaining when code imports do not work
[20:41] <ddaa> that's one of the support place
[20:41] <ddaa> though last I checked the main support forum was answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[20:41]  * DanielRM groans.
[20:41] <DanielRM> I just can't figure out bug submission.
[20:41] <ddaa> answers.l.n is not for bugs
[20:42] <ddaa> it's for questions, and answers
[20:42] <ddaa> i.e. support or administrivia
[20:43] <rockstar> DanielRM, what's your specific problem?
[20:43] <DanielRM> The miracle of open-source... you can never figure out where you're supposed to be. ;-)
[20:44] <DanielRM> rockstar: I just needed help in submitting a bug after an error in, I suspect, Nautilus. The submission forms always confuse me, though; I never know what's expected of me.
[20:44] <rockstar> What's confusing you?
[20:44] <ddaa> that's a launchpad problem, not an open source problem
[20:44] <DanielRM> ddaa: I know. I'm a strong proponent of open-source really.
[20:44] <rockstar> ddaa, launchpad has no problems.  :)
[20:45] <rockstar> Also, my poo doesn't stink.
[20:46]  * ddaa does not know how to take that
[20:46] <DanielRM> rockstar: figuring out exactly which package from the list offered, for one, or alternatively which project. And then after that I remember quite a few forms which were worded in a way which confused me. :(
[20:46] <ddaa> Maybe I could point out that worked on launchpad for 3.5 years
[20:47] <ddaa> so I am in a very good position to know that it DOES have problems
[20:47] <ddaa> Or maybe I could say something about the smell of my poo.
[20:47] <DanielRM> Can I just ask what the fixation here is with poo?
[20:48] <ddaa> DanielRM: I'm trying to determine that too. Actually I believe that rockstar has anosmia.
[20:49] <ddaa> DanielRM: one technique some people use is "file a bug on some random package or product and wait for people to route the bug to the right place"
[20:49] <ddaa> however it has the unpleasant side effect of generating some ill-will.
[20:50] <ddaa> Another technique is to go on #ubuntu and try to catch the attention of someone who's something intelligent to say.
[20:50] <DanielRM> ddaa: I would ask what grounds you have for believing that, but I don't think I want to know, given that short of the most worrying situations he'd be better positioned to determine the smell of his own faeces.
[20:50] <rockstar> ddaa, I'm on the code team.  :)  Thus, saying that nothing I create has problems.  I was being fececious.  :)
[20:50] <ddaa> DanielRM: occam's razor
[20:51] <ddaa> rockstar: that's funny, I was on this team too. You'r probably the poor soul who's been hired to fill my slot.
[20:51] <rockstar> DanielRM, #ubuntu-bugs is much more helpful than #ubuntu for things like this.
[20:51] <DanielRM> Hmmm.
[20:51] <DanielRM> OK, to #ubuntu-bugs it is, then.
[20:51] <DanielRM> Thanks. :)
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[23:24] <siretart> hm. no idea how I did it, but I'm now logged in as bigjools on https://dogfood.launchpad.net/.. hmmm
[23:25] <bigjools> siretart: thanks for letting me know, I've seen it happen myself too (logged in as others that is)
[23:29] <sistpoty> hi...
[23:29] <siretart> bigjools: does this happen on edge as well?
[23:29] <sistpoty> hm... trying to look at bug #230350 gets me regular timeouts... any idea?
[23:30] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 230350 in chmsee "Missing Debian Maintainer field" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/230350
[23:30] <bigjools> siretart: I really, really hope not.  I shut dogfood down for now anyway
[23:31] <sistpoty> (I'm using stable btw)
[23:33] <bigjools> try edge
[23:33] <bdodson> Can anyone help me with this?:  bzr: ERROR: Generic bzr smart protocol error: Permission denied: "Ben Dodson cannot create branches owned by Ben Dodson"
[23:46] <lifeless> eep
[23:46] <lifeless> thats interesting
[23:46] <lifeless> mwhudson_: ^ if you are around, or jml: ^
[23:47] <lifeless> bdodson: can you start by filing a question on launchpad-bazaar - https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar
[23:47] <mwhudson_> i am here but haven't had breakfast yet
[23:47] <mwhudson_> :)
[23:48] <lifeless> mwhudson_: I'm two hours retarded, whats your excuse
[23:48] <mwhudson_> lifeless: weekend?
[23:48] <lifeless> mmm, fair enough
[23:48] <lifeless> :)
[23:50] <cprov> siretart: can you reproduce the problem in dogfood now ?
[23:53] <siretart> cprov: it seems I have been 'logged out' now.. however since I don't know how I triggered that, I cannot comment if I can reproduce it or not
[23:54] <cprov> siretart: okay
[23:59] <bdodson> sure
[23:59] <bdodson> thanks