[00:02]  * sistpoty goes to bed... gn8
[00:13] <wgrant> \sh: You *really* want to wait a couple of months for Leonov. There will be a complete Python API for Launchpad then.
[00:17] <txwikinger> Is there a way to see in apt-cache policy which repo the package is found?
[00:17]  * ScottK has heard that before.
[00:18] <directhex> txwikinger, is this a trick question?
[00:18] <txwikinger> No
[00:18] <ScottK> apt-cache policy $PACKAGE |grep archive
[00:18] <directhex> that's exactly what apt-cache policy tells you
[00:19] <txwikinger> I get something like "500 http://ppa.launchpad.net hardy/main Packages"
[00:19] <txwikinger> I can have more than one ppa
[00:19] <directhex> cross-reference it against apt-cache show
[00:21] <directhex> apt-cache show mono-gac | grep $(apt-cache policy mono-gac | grep -B1 Packages | head -1 | cut -d' ' -f3) | grep Filename
[00:24] <wgrant> ScottK: It's actually happening now, though. Rather surprising, I know.
[00:54] <RAOF> ls
[00:54] <lifeless> -r--r--r-- 1 lifeless lifeless 1G
[00:54] <RAOF> Gah.
[01:03] <RAOF> Yay!  Matthew Garrett's working on suspend for nouveau.
[01:07] <wgrant> RAOF: Nice!
[01:07]  * wgrant is currently doing something very stupid - building mesa, drm, Xorg from Git to try to get DRI2 working.
[01:08] <RAOF> Don't you have an nvidia card?
[01:08]  * RAOF may be thinking of someone else.
[01:08] <wgrant> At work, yes.
[01:08] <wgrant> But my laptop is i915.
[01:09] <RAOF> But not on the system where you're trying to get dri2 working, obviously :)
[01:18] <emgent> uhm..
[01:18] <emgent> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/libaprutil1-dev
[01:18] <emgent> libdb4.6-dev Package not available
[01:18] <emgent> someone know why ?
[01:19] <emgent> package removed, or ubuntu archivies problem ? (intrepid)
[01:20] <wgrant> #  Deleted  15 hours ago  by Martin Pitt  (NBS)
[01:20] <wgrant> Ah.
[01:20] <wgrant> The new db4.6 is in binary NEW.
[01:20] <wgrant> So it will be back soon enough.
[01:21] <emgent> ok, i should fix apache2
[01:21] <wgrant> emgent: Why?
[01:22] <emgent> there is a security problem (patched) but dont build beacuse apache2 depends to libaprutil1-dev and it depends to libdb4.6-dev
[01:23] <wgrant> It's Intrepid. It can wait a couple of days.
[01:23] <emgent> sure i will do
[01:23] <emgent> i go to fix <= intrepid
[01:23] <emgent> s/=/ /
[01:24] <persia> freeflying: Feel free to take FBreader if you like: I have no explicit attachment, and am still tracking hardy.  I'll likely chase some SRU stuff before catching up on my merges, so help is welcome.
[01:26] <Laney> wgrant: Where did you get the information about the deleted package from?
[01:28] <wgrant> Laney: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/i386/libdb4.6-dev
[01:29] <Laney> wgrant: Ah right, I didn't know it showed that. Thanks
[01:29] <foxbuntu> could someone sync the keyring for me so I can upload my package for revu? (Thanks!)
[01:29] <wgrant> foxbuntu: Sure.
[01:30] <foxbuntu> thanks wgrant !
[01:31] <wgrant> foxbuntu: It will take several minutes - I'll tell you when it's done.
[01:31] <foxbuntu> wgrant, no problem...thanks
[01:37] <wgrant> foxbuntu: It just finished.
[01:37] <foxbuntu> wgrant, great...thanks again...time to get this uploaded :)
[01:41] <foxbuntu> wgrant, I had already tried the upload the package before and my key wasnt in there do I need to re-upload?
[01:41] <wgrant> foxbuntu: mythbuntu-apple-trailers?
[01:41] <foxbuntu> yes
[01:42] <foxbuntu> so obviously not ;)
[01:42] <wgrant> foxbuntu: No, I'll poke it through now.
[01:42] <foxbuntu> wgrant, thanks
[01:42] <wgrant> Accepting upload mythbuntu-apple-trailers from Nick Fox <nfox@foxmediasystems.com>
[01:42] <wgrant> It worked.
[01:43] <foxbuntu> cool...I see it now on the revu site
[01:43] <foxbuntu> thanks again for the help
[02:37] <superm1> leleobhz, i left you some feedback on revu
[02:41] <emgent> hi mario! :)
[02:41] <crimsun> ugh, new hal-info regression :/
[02:41] <emgent> hardy?
[02:42] <crimsun> hardy-proposed, yes.
[02:42] <superm1> hi emgent
[02:42] <emgent> crimsun: argh
[02:43] <superm1> regression?  you mean it's a new feature.  the behavior was wrong before right ;)
[02:43] <crimsun> well, in the haste to fix additional HPs, several HPs were broken
[02:51] <wgrant> crimsun: Didn't it get an exemption from hardy-proposed?
[02:52] <crimsun> wgrant: I think, but 20080508+git20080601-0ubuntu0.8.04 in this intsall seems to be from hardy-proposed.
[02:59] <emgent> wgrant: can you open tasks nominated in Bug #239894 ?
[03:01] <SpookyET> hi
[03:01] <SpookyET> I'm having some deb creation problem.
[03:02] <SpookyET> debian/foo/usr/bin is empty. debian/tmp/usr/bin is not
[03:06] <wgrant> emgent: No - I'm not a core-dev.
[03:14] <emgent> oh ok, np
[03:15] <emgent> I thought that the motu could also manage the tasks of the packages in main
[03:32] <emgent> I go to sleep
[03:32] <emgent> night people
[03:38] <lifeless> night
[03:47] <foxbuntu> wgrant, would you mind checking to see if my updated package was accepted?
[04:56] <superm1> foxbuntu, it's automatic
[04:57] <superm1> the cron job runs every 10 or 15 minutes or so
[04:57] <superm1> to update the package lists on revu
[05:04] <SpookyET> debian/foo/usr/bin is empty. debian/tmp/usr/bin is not
[05:04] <SpookyET> I'm having some deb creation problem.
[07:04] <\sh> good morning
[08:29] <geser> good morning
[08:29] <geser> hi \sh
[08:29] <\sh> moins geser
[10:18] <i4x> hugs 4 everyone!!
[11:03] <Kopfgeldjaeger> could somebody have a look at my debdiff in bug #227323?
[11:06] <emgent> geser: thank you for libdb4.6-dev
[11:13] <geser> Kopfgeldjaeger: if changing the Maintainer field is the only change left, then it's a sync and not a merge
[11:34] <Kopfgeldjaeger> geser: OK, I said I was unsure about that in the comment of my first Debdiff. Should i write "Sync blabla", or can this package then be synced automatically?
[11:47] <Hobbsee> ScottK: re bugs used for multiple packages, for transitions, the problem is not only just the bugmail - it's that LP falls over trying to open them most of the time.
[11:47] <Hobbsee> ScottK: so if you do want it that way, you'll need to solve both problems.
[11:50] <Hobbsee> ScottK: (you must have missed my original mail on it at the time, when it was being discussed on the ML)
[11:56] <DRebellion> Hmm... need some text-encoding advice: If a company that needs to be named in debian/copyright has a special character in its name "Mjølner Informatics", should I include that character (and thus turn the file into UTF-8 Unicode)? Or should I represent it in some other way?
[11:57] <james_w> DRebellion: the file should be UTF-8 anyway
[11:57] <james_w> s/ anyway//
[11:58] <DRebellion> james_w, it should be utf-8 or ascii to start with? I should include the character to make it utf-8?
[11:58] <james_w> if you include a non-ascii character then you should ensure your encoding is utf-8
[11:58] <DRebellion> ok
[11:59] <DRebellion> just wanted to make sure non-ascii was allowed
[14:12] <Kopfgeldjaeger> hmpf... Nathan Handler already has uploaded debdiffs for all merges I'd like to do :O
[14:18] <SpookyET> Hi. I have trouble with a deb. debian/package/usr/bin is empty. debian/tmp/usr/bin is not. I don't understand why it's not moving the files.
[14:22] <DRebellion> SpookyET, perhaps elaborate or provide more detail about the problem? It seems a bit vague at the moment.
[14:23] <SpookyET> DRebellion: The packaging is missing all files from /usr/bin
[14:24] <DRebellion> SpookyET, does the install script (try to) put files there?
[14:24] <SpookyET> But, make install is working properly. I see them in ./debian/tmp/usr/bin
[14:25] <DRebellion> make install puts them in /tmp/usr/bin?
[14:25] <DRebellion> oh right
[14:25] <SpookyET> I'm using CDBS
[14:25] <DRebellion> sorry, can't help you with cdbs
[14:27] <SpookyET> Why don't you use it
[14:28] <DRebellion> SpookyET, just never tried it
[14:28] <leleobhz> what can i do if i cant remove a file?
[14:28] <leleobhz> i explain
[14:28] <DRebellion> SpookyET, guess that's not a very good reason :P
[14:28] <leleobhz> W: handbrake source: patch-system-but-direct-changes-in-diff libhb/.depend
[14:29] <leleobhz> any target removes this file before the make and after the package creation
[14:30] <Kopfgeldjaeger> geser: ping
[14:30] <leleobhz> SpookyET: what is with cdbs?
[14:31] <SpookyET> leleobhz: scroll up
[14:31] <leleobhz> [14/06-10:18:24] < SpookyET> Hi. I have trouble with a deb. debian/package/usr/bin is empty. debian/tmp/usr/bin is not. I don't understand why it's not moving the files.
[14:32] <leleobhz> SpookyET: are you using debian/files?
[14:32] <leleobhz> DRebellion: i think its isnt a cdbs issue
[14:32] <SpookyET> leleobhz: no
[14:32] <SpookyET> am i supposed to?
[14:32] <leleobhz> i remember a package ive got this problem...
[14:33] <SpookyET> everything besides /usr/bin gets populated
[14:33] <leleobhz> SpookyET: try create a debian/dirs
[14:33] <leleobhz> with
[14:33] <leleobhz> usr/bin
[14:34] <SpookyET> leleobhz: debian/usr/bin gets created
[14:34] <leleobhz> SpookyET: i know
[14:34] <leleobhz> try do this
[14:35] <SpookyET> leleobhz: dirs is there
[14:35] <leleobhz> leleobhz@zorg:~/TRABALHO/DEVELOPMENT/COMPILACOES/UBUNTU/pacotes/handbrake-intrepid/handbrake-0.9.2$ cat debian/dirs
[14:35] <SpookyET> maybe that's what creates it
[14:35] <leleobhz> usr/bin
[14:36] <leleobhz> its a file
[14:36] <Kopfgeldjaeger> OK. I have package foo with Ubuntu changes. Now a new version is in SID and needs to be merged. But there are no further Ubuntu changes needed (because their already made upstream or by debian) except adjusting the Maintainer field. What should I do with that package?
[14:36] <SpookyET> mine is a dir
[14:36] <leleobhz> SpookyET: remove it and make it as a file
[14:36] <leleobhz> touch debian/dirs
[14:36] <Kopfgeldjaeger> s/their/they're/
[14:36] <leleobhz> echo "usr/bin" > debian/dirs
[14:36] <SpookyET> leleobhz: I have it, dude
[14:37] <leleobhz> SpookyET: and even with this it dont install into usr/bin?
[14:37] <SpookyET> leleobhz: it was there before you told me. maybe, i should remove it
[14:38] <leleobhz> give a try
[14:40] <SpookyET> leleobhz: debian/usr/bin does not get created at all
[14:40] <leleobhz> SpookyET: debian/usr/bin???
[14:40] <leleobhz> debian/packagename/usr/bin
[14:41] <SpookyET> right
[14:41] <leleobhz> and may need the tricky of debian/dirs
[14:41] <SpookyET> the dirs file created the empty dir
[14:41] <leleobhz> make a list with binary dirs and put there
[14:41] <SpookyET> it's just usr/bin
[14:41] <leleobhz> mmm
[14:41] <SpookyET> but the actual files are not moved there
[14:42] <leleobhz> how is your makefile install target?
[14:42] <SpookyET> leleobhz: it works fine  debian/tmp/usr/bin is populated
[14:42] <leleobhz> (!)
[14:43] <leleobhz> what includes have in debian/rules ?
[14:43] <SpookyET> include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk
[14:43] <SpookyET> include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/autotools.mk
[14:43] <SpookyET> include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/makefile.mk
[14:44] <leleobhz> hmmmm
[14:46] <SpookyET> what about debian/files?
[14:46] <SpookyET> tell me about it
[14:47] <leleobhz> SpookyET: i really dont use it
[14:47] <leleobhz> SpookyET: but have this inside a mine
[14:48] <leleobhz> handbrake_0.9.2-0ubuntu2_i386.deb graphics extra
[14:48] <leleobhz> "debian/files" [readonly] 1L, 49C                                                               1,1           All
[14:48] <leleobhz> (last is vi comment line. not inside the file)
[14:49] <SpookyET> looks worthless
[14:49] <man-di> SpookyET: its a generated file, dont touch it on your own
[14:49] <leleobhz> :]
[14:54] <leleobhz> SpookyET: ive got this problem in past, but i cant remember how ive solved it
[14:55] <SpookyET> look at the deb
[14:56] <leleobhz> i cant remember the package name ;]
[14:58] <SpookyET> leleobhz: grep for cdbs rules
[14:59] <SpookyET> you'll find it
[14:59] <leleobhz> latter thing ;]
[15:08] <SpookyET> this is annoying
[15:08] <SpookyET> i don't get it
[15:26] <tacone> hello, I am looking after https://bugs.launchpad.net/memaker/+bug/214401. I need to force the building process to using python 2.5.  Simply setting the right dependency in debian/control  doesn't work. anyone willing to help me ?
[15:27] <leleobhz> tacone: using cdbs?
[15:27] <tacone> leleobhz: I have no clue of what cdbs is, sorry :(
[15:28] <leleobhz> include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk
[15:28] <tacone> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5.0.37) ?
[15:29] <leleobhz> normal package
[15:29] <leleobhz> :]
[15:29] <leleobhz> cdbs packages must have cdbs in build-deps
[15:29] <tacone> uhm
[15:29] <SpookyET> what about my usr/bin
[15:30] <leleobhz> notting from my memory
[15:30] <tacone> leleobhz: what should I do then ? note it's a python application
[15:30] <leleobhz> this problem happened with me some YEARS ago...
[15:31] <SpookyET> mind taking a look at the files?
[15:31] <Kopfgeldjaeger> I have a package that copies my (Hardy)-/usr/share/misc/config.{sub, guess) to its main folder... So the debian debdiff looks kind of strange (I'm packaging for Intrepid).. Is this OK or what should I do with it?
[15:32] <Kopfgeldjaeger> It already copies the two files when I dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot
[15:35] <tacone> wow, works ?
[15:43] <whs> Hello, I'm member of ThaiLoco willing to running a PackageJam. (even with no one of us being MOTU, I hope to see one) Does the Packaging Playbook have the translatable format available?
[15:44] <zorglu_> i have an apps using libxml2. It compile and run fine on feisty. when linked in dynamic or static. But when i do it on hardy, it run well only in dynamic link but it crashes in static linking. is that something you already seen ?
[15:45] <whs> The jam is on 6 July but we have a meeting tomorrow.
[15:48] <tacone> I am looking for submitting a patch to fix a little bug. how should I change the changelog ?
[16:02] <ryanakca> How can I make knmap not run configure twice (once at start of build, and one at the end)?
[16:07] <tacone> ok, gave up :-)
[16:24] <geser> Kopfgeldjaeger: to make the debdiff easier to review I'd remove the config.* changes from the debdiff
[16:24] <Kopfgeldjaeger> Fine. If it's that easy... :)
[16:25] <Kopfgeldjaeger> and what about my earlier question? (package with no needed ubuntu changes anymore)
[16:26] <Hobbsee> Kopfgeldjaeger: file a sync request, see info in /contributing
[16:47] <Kopfgeldjaeger> pbuilder hooks don't work for me... HOOKDIR="/etc/pbuilder/hooks" and there is the file "C10shell"...
[16:57] <ScottK> Hobbsee: The LP falls over problem is supposed to be fixed in this next release.
[17:00] <Kopfgeldjaeger> Bug #239995 should be a sync request
[17:02] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I was able to open the maintainer field bug on dogfood at UDS.
[17:02] <Kopfgeldjaeger> just like Bug #227323
[17:03] <ScottK> Kopfgeldjaeger: Then fill the bug out like a sync request (explaining why any Ubuntu changes can be dropped) and subscribe UUS.
[17:03] <ScottK> Kopfgeldjaeger: Are you sure on Poker Network?
[17:03] <ScottK> It certainly wasn't in the past.  I haven't looked at it, but that would suprise me.
[17:06] <Kopfgeldjaeger> the only changes I'm not sure about were in debian/control (Depends stuff)
[17:07] <ScottK> That's the ones that are most probably needed.
[17:07] <Kopfgeldjaeger> OK. Interesting.
[17:07] <Kopfgeldjaeger> Needed for what?
[17:08] <ScottK> IIRC (and it's been a while) there are some database library naming differences between Debian and Ubuntu.
[17:08] <ScottK> You'll see that poker network ships several control files for Ubuntu versions.
[17:11] <devfil> is dad down?
[17:11] <Kopfgeldjaeger> The control file really has changed since 1.2.0. I will look up that... But anyway it builds fine with no Dep-changes
[17:13] <ScottK> Kopfgeldjaeger: Building wasn't the problem before, it was running.
[17:13] <ScottK> Speaking of which ...
[17:13]  * ScottK runs off for a while.
[17:16] <Adri2000> devfil: it is
[17:17] <devfil> Adri2000: thanks :)
[17:18] <Adri2000> devfil: the server hosting it is down, no idea what happened and when will it come back yet
[17:19] <devfil> Adri2000: I will use MoM
[18:06] <Kopfgeldjaeger2> geser: Do you think pwman3 can be synced from Debian? The "help EOF" bug and the cElementTree stuff are fixed there
[18:07] <geser> Kopfgeldjaeger: sure
[18:44] <Kopfgeldjaeger> Could somebody have a look at my debdiff in bug #239998? (I know, I'm annoying ;) )
[18:48] <rockstar> How can I take a bzr branch and add the debian/ folder (and all files)?
[20:10] <RainCT> rockstar: what do you mean?
[20:11] <leleobhz> RainCT: can you help-me with handbrake?
[20:11] <RainCT> (uhm.. nvm, I guess you've already found out what you wanted to know by now :P)
[20:11] <RainCT> leleobhz: Sure, I can try :). What's the problem?
[20:17] <bobbo> warp10: ping
[20:17] <warp10> hi bobbo!
[20:17] <bobbo> hey :D
[20:18] <bobbo> im a bit stuck with the get-orig-source directive for bug #195196, could you try and help me?
[20:19] <warp10> bobbo: I can't try, since I am not on my own box and have not the dev tool I need, but I can help you :)
[20:20] <bobbo> warp10: ok :) http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/20198/ <-- That has the description of my problem
[20:23]  * warp10 looks
[20:26] <warp10> bobbo: looks like your problem is just renaming the directory, isn't it?
[20:26] <bobbo> warp10: yes, i know i can extract it, then just mv the directory but i cant work out a way to get the version number for the mv destination
[20:32] <warp10> bobbo: I can only find rather complex and unusal ways to achieve such a task.
[20:32] <warp10> Any other MOTU has a good idea or knows an easy way to do that?
[20:33] <devfil> bobbo: in rules you should put VERSION = <packageversion>
[20:33] <devfil> I think this is the only think you can do
[20:34] <bobbo> devfil: ok, will do, thanks alot
[20:34] <devfil> bobbo: np ;)
[20:35] <warp10> bobbo: BTW, you could ask the upstream developer to package the tarball so that it extracts in a more standardized way. Maybe he will listen to you :)
[20:35] <bobbo> warp10: yeah i was thinking about doing that at half 2 last night while trying to work out how to fix that ;)
[20:36] <warp10> bobbo: I had a similar bad adventure for my first packaging task. I have been lucky with my upstream, hope you are too!
[20:37] <bobbo> warp10: hehe, not as bad as purrr upstrem who disappear right in the middle of a conversation while you are trying to get an FFe
[20:38] <warp10> bobbo: :(
[20:42] <warp10> bobbo: BTW, adding a .desktop file to your package is an important thing for that package. Did you find and icon file for that software?
[20:42] <bobbo> warp10: yeah there was an icon in the upstream tar.gz
[20:43] <warp10> bobbo: xpm?
[20:43] <bobbo> warp10: nope only a png
[20:44] <warp10> bobbo: fair enough
[21:11] <warp10> bobbo: just seen your new diff.gz: good work with the get-orig-source, a little unusual, but it should be fine. If you contact upstream, please send him any modification you did that deserves to be included in future releases (like the .desktop file)
[21:11] <bobbo> warp10: thanks alot, ok will do :)
[21:32] <sistpoty> hi folks
[21:43] <sebner> huhu sistpoty
[21:44] <sistpoty> hi sebner:
[21:47] <norsetto> hello
[21:49] <sebner> huhu norsetto =)
[21:49] <norsetto> hi sebner
[21:50] <sebner> norsetto: some hours ago I would have needed your italian power :P
[21:50] <norsetto> sebner: you mean you had the italian exam already?
[21:51] <sebner> norsetto: no. monday in one week. I had to work on an italian text ^
[21:51] <tacone> sebner: italian is so easy :)
[21:52] <sebner> rofl
[21:52]  * sebner doesn't think so
[21:52] <sebner> or sebner just suck
[21:52]  * tacone thinks so
[21:52] <norsetto> sebner: ask tacone if he speaks italian, most probably he speaks a strange dialect that only he and his relatives understand
[21:53] <devfil_> sebner: there are a lot of italians in this chan, if you need ask :)
[21:54] <sebner> norsetto: rofl, and what help is he then for me? ^
[21:54] <sebner> devfil_: thx for the offer but not needed anymore ;)
[21:57] <tacone> norsetto: I miei genitori erano professori d'italiano entrambi. per quanto ignorante io possa essere qualcosa d'italiano lo parlo.
[21:57] <sebner> devfil_: thx for the offer but not needed anymore ;) ^
[21:58] <sebner> ah
[21:58] <sebner> xD
[21:58] <devfil> sebner: I've read :)
[21:58] <devfil> ed
[21:58] <sebner> tacone: uhh I can understand it somehow xD
[21:58] <tacone> sebner: nice sign ;-)
[21:58] <sebner> devfil: read ;)
[21:59] <sebner> tacone: hmm?
[21:59] <devfil> tacone: professori di italiano? sono spaventato...
[21:59] <tacone> sebner: my english is worse than my italian
[21:59] <norsetto> tacone: per con la lettera Maiuscola ;-)
[21:59] <tacone> devfil: norsetto: menosi ! :-D
[21:59] <sebner> tacone: np
[21:59] <sebner> ahhh
[22:00] <sebner> too many italian people
[22:00]  * sebner hides
[22:00] <devfil> ahahahaha
[22:00] <devfil> lool
[22:00] <tacone> sebner: best way to learn italian is come to italy, and party with italians :-)
[22:00] <slangasek> tacone: "#fanculo", eh?
[22:00] <sebner> norsetto: last time we spoke italian you stopped it because it's OT :P
[22:00] <tacone> slangasek: fanculo is an important opensource project. cough cough
[22:00] <devfil> sebner: party based on pizza and beer :)
[22:01] <sebner> tacone: I don't want to learn it ^
[22:01] <slangasek> tacone: heh
[22:01] <sebner> devfil: lol, is there also one named "Figlio di una buttana" ? ^
[22:01] <devfil> sebner: not buttana, but puttana :)
[22:01] <tacone> sebner: when you get to know an nice looking foreign girl.. you usually *want* to learn her mother language
[22:02] <sebner> tacone: rofl
[22:02] <sebner> devfil: ah, thx
[22:02] <norsetto> sebner: your version is actually ok in sicily (just change figlio with figghio)
[22:03] <devfil> norsetto: lol
[22:03] <sebner> hmm my italdict can't find that word
[22:03] <sebner> ^
[22:03] <devfil> sebner: and change una with na
[22:03] <tacone> norsetto: btw, I wrote you sometime ago about getting a mentor. then it seemed I need more practice before getting one. but I don't know how to practice without one.
[22:03] <sebner> some form of figlio I suppose
[22:04] <tacone> sebner: right.
[22:04] <devfil> sebner: dialect form
[22:04] <sebner> wäh
[22:04] <sebner> I don't even can speak normal italian
[22:04] <sebner> and then you come with dialect xD
[22:04] <norsetto> tacone: you hadn't had the chance to work on any bug?
[22:05] <tacone> norsetto: I tried today, but stalled about changelogs and proper reporting
[22:05] <norsetto> tacone: ok, what was the problem?
[22:05] <sebner> norsetto: is it è or é ?
[22:06] <norsetto> sebner: depends if its an open or closed vowel
[22:06]  * slangasek grins
[22:06] <sebner> norsetto: hmm? he,she,it is
[22:06] <tacone> norsetto: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/memaker/+bug/214401
[22:07] <tacone> norsetto: I didn't know how to properly modify changelog and version
[22:07] <slangasek> sebner: è
[22:07] <norsetto> tacone: ok, let me check what you did
[22:07] <tacone> norsetto: btw, afterwards, looking to other memaker related bugs, I guess my patch is not needed
[22:07] <devfil> sebner: he = lui, she = lei, it = lui, is = è
[22:07] <sebner> slangasek: next italian geek :P
[22:07] <tacone> norsetto: and my patch targets hardy, not intrepid :-(
[22:07] <sebner> devfil: I know ^^
[22:08] <norsetto> tacone: for the changelog you can simply use dch
[22:08] <slangasek> sebner: io sono geek di tutte le lingue :)
[22:08] <tacone> norsetto: I know, but I didn't dare to do it.
[22:08] <sebner> slangasek: give me some german :P
[22:08] <norsetto> tacone: try, whats the problem? If its wrong you repeat
[22:09] <devfil> slangasek: come fai a conoscere l'italiano?
[22:09] <tacone> I dind't know who to assign as mantainer. me ? ubuntu motus ?
[22:09] <norsetto> tacone: ubuntu motu, you can use update-maintainer
[22:09] <slangasek> sebner: warum? :P
[22:09] <tacone> norsetto: i don't have update-mantainer on my box, it seems.
[22:10] <sebner> slangasek: come on. ein bisschen mehr :P
[22:10] <norsetto> tacone: should be in ubuntu-dev-tools
[22:10] <tacone> I have it. but it's not there.
[22:11] <norsetto> tacone: you can also edit your changelog manually, just mind the spaces, tabs and the likes
[22:11] <tacone> too difficult for me. giving up, and going to get cigarettes.
[22:12] <norsetto> tacone: hmmm, that seems pretty strange to me
[22:12] <slangasek> devfil: ho studiato lingue Romance nella università, fa molti anni; la verità, c'è che non conosco l'italiano, ma conosco molto bene l'espagnolo e il portuguese ;)
[22:13] <tacone> norsetto: I guess I'll wait for someone to review my patch and tell me about it.
[22:13] <tacone> norsetto: truth is that I just can't find my way out of existing documentation
[22:13] <devfil> slangasek: they're much similar to italian ;)
[22:14] <norsetto> tacone: then please let us know where is the problem so that we can correct it
[22:14] <tacone> slangasek: some mistake, but understandable.
[22:14] <leleobhz> slangasek: ping
[22:14] <sebner> slangasek: your italian has the same level as mine xD
[22:15] <gaspa> slangasek: anyway, compliments. ;) for one that doesn't know italian, you're quite good...
[22:15] <norsetto> slangasek: better than many italians ...
[22:15] <sebner> rofl
[22:16] <tacone> norsetto: wiki it's just feels messy. I'll try again maybe. but it's like wasting a lot time to learn what you could have learn in minutes.
[22:16] <slangasek> sebner: ich benutze nicht die deutsche Sprache seit 15 Jahre, ich gebe dir nicht mehr ;)
[22:16] <slangasek> norsetto: heh... :)
[22:16] <slangasek> leleobhz: pong
[22:16] <sebner> slangasek: hrhr
[22:16]  * tacone brb in 15 minutes.
[22:16] <norsetto> tacone: you mean the packaging guide?
[22:16] <tacone> norsetto: I mean all.
[22:16] <leleobhz> slangasek: can i speak with you in pvt again?
[22:17] <tacone> going. see you later
[22:17]  * devfil doesn't know italian but he is italian, this is funny and scarer at the same time
[22:17] <devfil> :)
[22:18] <sebner> Il mio opinione é che anch' io posso parlare italiano un pochino. Ha nessuno la voglia di abbracciare sebner? ^^
[22:18] <slangasek> leleobhz: you can speak with me in private, but I'm not sure what you mean by "again"?
[22:19] <devfil> sebner: "La mia opinione" and "Nessuno ha"
[22:19] <slangasek> sebner: ti abbraccio!
[22:19] <sebner> devfil: -.-
[22:20] <sebner> slangasek: grazie =)
[22:20]  * sebner hugs slangasek 
[22:21] <devfil> sebner: remember: in italian when you make a question use subject + verb
[22:21]  * norsetto gives sebner a bear hug
[22:21] <sebner> devfil: well I just need italian knowledge for the next few days. so I don't mind ;)
[22:21]  * sebner hugs bear norsetto ^=)
[22:23] <slangasek> cdbs question: what's the proper way to remove a file as part of the clean target if the upstream rules don't take care of it?
[22:24] <norsetto> slangasek: is that a quiz?
[22:24] <sebner> lol
[22:24] <slangasek> norsetto: it's a question on behalf of leleobhz; I don't use cdbs and don't know the runes :)
[22:25] <norsetto> slangasek, leleobhz: ah, I would just use a clean:: target and rm the file there
[22:25] <crimsun> right, clean::
[22:33] <sistpoty> short info: revu will be back up in a few minutes (rebooting for new kernel atm)(
[22:34] <norsetto> sistpoty: I can hardly wait
[22:34] <sistpoty> heh
[22:35]  * norsetto relax and has a thumblefull of "grappa alla liquerizia"
[22:38] <norsetto> sebner: that was an example of bad italian
[22:39] <slangasek> then I shouldn't feel bad at not understanding it? :)
[22:39] <sebner> norsetto: lol. I know what grappa is. liquerizia? liquid?
[22:39] <devfil> http://mail.google.com/mail/#inbox
[22:39] <devfil> sorry for the link
[22:39] <devfil> my error
[22:40] <norsetto> sebner: liquerizia is liquorice, but the correct italian would be liquirizia
[22:40] <sebner> ah
[22:41] <sebner> bad norsetto :P .... ok it's saturday
[22:42] <sebner> norsetto: hmm, what does the word " avvenne" means?
[22:42] <norsetto> sebner: it happened
[22:42] <sebner> thanks
[22:46] <sistpoty> revu is back :)
[22:48] <norsetto> Kopfgeldjaeger: any reason why u-u-s was not subscribed to your sync requests?
[22:49] <Kopfgeldjaeger> No.
[22:49] <Kopfgeldjaeger> Will subscribe u-u-s at once
[22:50] <norsetto> Kopfgeldjaeger: thanks, if you use requestsync there is an option you can use to do that automatically
[22:50] <Kopfgeldjaeger> I tried it
[22:51] <Kopfgeldjaeger> But when I start the script, I just see a blinking cursor (just like after "cat" in a shell)
[22:51] <Kopfgeldjaeger> (also compiled the newest version in Intrepid)
[22:51] <norsetto> Kopfgeldjaeger: have you checked if a bug was reported?
[22:51] <sebner> norsetto: If never tried that. I always sync them manually. I tried once and there was written "sending to Debian" so I exited
[22:52] <Kopfgeldjaeger> norsetto: Yeah, but I found nothing
[22:52] <Kopfgeldjaeger> It hangs when calling debian_component(somestr)
[22:53] <Kopfgeldjaeger> Maybe it's cause p.d.o is damn slow today
[22:54] <sistpoty> hm... an unstable chroot helps a lot :)
[23:03] <i4x> hi!!
[23:03] <i4x> santa
[23:04] <geser> sebner: requestsync doesn't send the sync request to Debian, only to LP
[23:04] <sebner> geser: wow, so I can improve my sync rate rapidly \o/
[23:05] <geser> sebner: hmm, better continue filing them manually :)
[23:05] <sebner> geser: lol, why?
[23:06] <geser> so the MOTUs have time to clear the u-u-s queue from you
[23:09] <sebner> geser: hmm, I'm not on the queue currently IIRC *but* wait until my exams are passed and Debian Import Freeze is starting. *hrhrhrhrhr*
[23:12] <geser> argh
[23:12]  * geser starts writing a python script to ACK sebner's sync requests
[23:13] <sebner> geser: O_o to be honest I've heard this sentence a few times from different people xD
[23:13] <RainCT> :)
[23:14] <RainCT> am I the only one here who doesn't understand Italian? :P
[23:14]  * LaserJock raises his hand
[23:14] <LaserJock> I .. uh.. know some English, that's it
[23:15] <geser> RainCT: no
[23:15] <Nafallo> sometimes I have difficulty understanding Italians even when they speak English :-)
[23:15]  * sistpoty only speaks computer languages *g*
[23:15] <RainCT> lol
[23:15] <Nafallo> but then again... that goes for all kind of people ;-)
[23:16] <geser> sistpoty: also whitespace?
[23:16] <sebner> sistpoty: brainfuck?
[23:16] <sistpoty> both still on my list (though I did have a look at bf some time ago)
[23:16] <sistpoty> list to learn even
[23:17] <LaserJock> \o/ for profiling
[23:17] <sistpoty> but I refuse to learn malbolge though *g*
[23:17] <LaserJock> I just cut down the running time a C app by 6 times
[23:17] <sistpoty> congrats LaserJock
[23:18] <LaserJock> it turns out division really is more computationally intensive :-)
[23:18] <LaserJock> more than multiplication that is
[23:19] <sistpoty> heh
[23:20] <RainCT> LaserJock: what do you do then? *0.x?
[23:21] <LaserJock> essentially yes
[23:21] <LaserJock> 1/x
[23:22] <sebner> gn8 folks :)
[23:22] <sistpoty> hm... and that brings you an optimization? or is x a constant in that regard?
[23:22] <sistpoty> gn8 sebner
[23:22] <LaserJock> so I was doing y/x but instead I redefined z = 1/x so that I can do y*z
[23:23] <sistpoty> and you had y/x repeatedly in there?
[23:23] <RainCT> clever :)
[23:23] <sistpoty> (still trying to find out why it wasn't optimized by the compiler in the first place)
[23:24] <LaserJock> well, I was doing y/x approximately 240k times
[23:24] <LaserJock> doing y/x 240k times versus y*z 240k times makes a lot of difference
[23:25] <sistpoty> hm... yes :)... though the compiler should really take care of this imo, though it's not really that trivial to optimize such a case
[23:26] <LaserJock> woot, and a -O3 shaved off another 20%
[23:26]  * LaserJock <3 C
[23:26] <leleobhz> Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/bin/dpkg-source line 429.
[23:26] <leleobhz> how can i fixit?
[23:27] <sistpoty> leleobhz: hm? what version of dpkg are you using/can you pastebin the complete output?
[23:31] <i4x> ppl, while installing a package.deb all the instructions will act with root permissions, right?
[23:31] <LaserJock> yep
[23:32] <leleobhz> sistpoty: http://paste.ubuntu.com/20224/
[23:33] <leleobhz> hmmm
[23:33] <i4x> so, I don't need to use 'sudo' before any instruction and 'mysql' will login by default as root, right?
[23:34] <sistpoty> leleobhz: line 105/108 might give you some clue
[23:35] <sistpoty> leleobhz: in short, all changes are done in a unified diff, hence you cannot add or change binary files, as these cannot be represented via .diff.gz
[23:36] <leleobhz> lets see
[23:37] <leleobhz> sistpoty: right! intruder files
[23:40] <LaserJock> i4x: the sudo part yes, not sure about mysql
[23:42] <Lichte> is there any reason why tcltls can't use tcl8.5 ?
[23:42] <leleobhz> now building...
[23:56] <i4x> LaserJock: can you explain me one thing? I'm trying to build a package to install some files and to run some instructions! I'm trying to do it from 'ed-0.9.deb' but I'm afraid to change some files like 'rules' and then it fail!.. do you know any examples to learn better what may or not change? thx in advance!
[23:56] <LaserJock> i4x: you might want to look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[23:59] <i4x> LaserJock: I'm already reading it!.. but I can't find anything better than https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Lists/DhMakeExampleFiles?highlight=(CategoryPackagingGuideList)
[23:59] <LaserJock> i4x: well, what are you wanting to do?