[00:29] <Lzr> Hey Brokunn, you sounded like me yesterday with that problem!
[00:29] <Lzr> Brokunn: Are you using the Xubuntu alternate version?
[00:29] <Brokunn> Aye
[00:29] <Brokunn> I couldnt get the standard one to load properly since I dont have enough RAM, so I'm using the alt  ;)
[00:30] <Lzr> Mine kept freezing at the same percentage each time, although I did get farther in the install by disabling ACPI in the install options. I grabbed Xubuntu 6.06 LTS instead and upgraded to 8.04 last night
[00:30] <Brokunn> Oh, is 6.06 LTS an older version?
[00:30] <Brokunn> And where are the install options?  ;)
[00:31] <cody-somerville> 8.04 > 6.06
[00:31] <Lzr> My laptop has 224MB RAM and I still couldn't get the alternate version to work, which claims to install on machines with 64MB RAM.
[00:31] <Lzr> Yeah, 6.06 is an older version that lets you upgrade directly to 8.04. You can grab it off the Xubuntu site, then follow the directions on there on how to upgrade
[00:31] <Brokunn> My install is specifically hanging up at the "Select and Install Software" step...  usually at 6%
[00:32] <Lzr> Same here!
[00:33] <Lzr> I couldn't find any solutions, but upgrading from 6.06 to 8.04 is better than having nothing installed
[00:33] <Lzr> Sorry, 6.04
[00:33] <Lzr> Haha, 6.06.
[00:33] <Lzr> All these version numbers are making my head spin
[00:34] <Brokunn> Heh, well thanks for the tip!  I'm going to go get the install right now and give it a try.  Is the 6.04 version an alternate, or just the regular install?
[00:35] <Lzr> You can get either, I grabbed the alternate just in case
[00:35] <Lzr> http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Xubuntu/6.06.1/release.1/
[00:35] <Lzr> The US mirrors, for example
[00:36] <Lzr> And no problem, I spent the past 2 days trying to figure out how to get a non-freezing install.
[00:36] <Brokunn> Rgr that.  Thanks Lzr  =)
[01:11] <tcabeen> super basic question if anyone has time.
[01:21] <R0b0t1> Just wondering, is it pronounced x-ubuntu or zoobuntu.
[01:21] <R0b0t1> like xylophone
[02:55] <pottythepisser> !ops
[09:26] <hooch> um.. my wife's xubuntu just lost the taskbars/panels
[09:26] <hooch> i'd know what to look for in gnome, but xfce i'm lost :)
[09:26] <hooch> any pointers?
[09:27] <TheSheep> alt+f2, type xfce4-panel
[09:47] <hooch> cheers
[09:53] <zoredache> It almost seems like there needs to be a something in xfce that automagically respawns xfce4-panel when it dies...
[10:04] <Valsum> my panel died often in Gutsy, but doesn't in Hardy
[10:56] <vecciora> My Ubuntu always run in 1280x960 when my monitor 1280x1240.
[10:56] <vecciora> Ubuntu, Kubuntu and all were same.
[10:57] <vecciora> The desktop looks tall.
[11:50] <lavish> hi all
[11:52] <lavish> Can you reccomend an app to search for files on xfce? There are catfish and gnome-utils (which includes "gnome-search-tool"), but I don't know which one is better or if there's something else available. Thanks :)
[11:53] <lavish> *recommend
[14:31] <JannoTT> hello
[14:31] <JannoTT> somebody here? :D
[14:31] <vinnl> Yep
[14:31] <vinnl> :)
[14:32]  * Myrtti hides
[14:32] <vinnl> JannoTT, Myrtti isn't here :P
[14:32] <JannoTT> How to disable pc speaker. Xubuntu peeps when i start the system(login screen). When i close the system(little before splashscreen).
[14:33] <vinnl> JannoTT, you mean the beep?
[14:33] <vinnl> JannoTT, http://www.google.com/search?client=googlet&btnI=Im+Feeling+Lucky&q=disable+system+beep+xubuntu
[14:33] <JannoTT> beep yes
[14:33] <vinnl> Then see that google search, I think there are some good solutions there :)
[14:37] <JannoTT> Blacklisted pc speaker. But this solution feels kinda strange. Why aren't there just a checkbox some where what would make xubuntu not use pc speaker.
[14:38] <vinnl> I guess it's because the speaker isn't there for nothing...?
[14:38] <vinnl> ...and because there are many more urgent issues :)
[14:39] <JannoTT> What is pcm under volume control? :D
[14:40] <vinnl> Eh? xD
[14:40] <JannoTT> open volume control
[14:40] <vinnl> Ehm, where do I find that? :P
[14:41] <vinnl> Ah, you mean the panel plugin?
[14:41] <JannoTT> that should work too
[14:41] <vinnl> Ah, I see, xfce4-mixer
[14:41] <vinnl> OK, it's open
[14:42] <JannoTT> wich on controls your sound volume?
[14:43] <vinnl> Headphone
[14:43] <JannoTT> oh. :D
[14:43] <JannoTT> anyways bye.
[15:22] <jokoon> hello back Odd-rationale
[15:22] <jokoon> I tried as you told me yesterday
[15:23] <jokoon> and On the login prompt in graphical mode
[15:23] <jokoon> I did ctrl alt F2
[15:23] <jokoon> still black screen
[15:23] <jokoon> and the failsafe mode worked
[15:23] <vinnl> jokoon, completely black?
[15:23] <jokoon> yes
[15:23] <jokoon> no text
[15:24] <vinnl> Odd...
[15:25] <jokoon> vinnl
[15:25] <jokoon> yay basically the problem is that when I start a xfce session
[15:26] <jokoon> there is the default bright blue background
[15:26] <jokoon> with a mouse pointer
[15:26] <jokoon> and nothing else happens, I can move the pointer
[15:26] <jokoon> I waited long
[15:26] <jokoon> basically I have a ubuntu installed
[15:27] <jokoon> on a apple ibook G4
[15:27] <vinnl> jokoon, have you tried pressing Alt+F2 then running "xfce4-panel"?
[15:27] <jokoon> so its a powerpc
[15:27] <TheSheep> jokoon: can you swithc to console with alt+ctrl+f1, log in and run 'top' to see what processes are running?
[15:27] <jokoon> no I cant switch to a console
[15:27] <jokoon> oh
[15:27] <jokoon> Yes I'll try alt Fé
[15:28] <jokoon> f2 and xfce panel
[15:28] <jokoon> but I installed xubuntu-desktop
[15:28] <jokoon> should it be installed already ?
[15:28] <vinnl> jokoon, yes, but perhaps it isn't started
[15:29] <jokoon> shouldn't it start automatically ?
[15:29] <vinnl> jokoon, it's supposed to, yes :)
[15:29] <vinnl> jokoon, but you wouldn't be the first where it doesn't happen :)
[15:29] <jokoon> why so ?
[15:30] <vinnl> jokoon, I don't know exactly, I believe it was a problem on the livecd for people who didn't have enough memory
[15:30] <jokoon> ok
[15:30] <jokoon> the xubuntu livecd ?
[15:30] <vinnl> jokoon, yeah
[15:30] <jokoon> xfce is supposed to be lightweight
[15:31] <jokoon> I have 1gb ram
[15:31] <TheSheep> 1GB is more than enough
[15:31] <vinnl> Yeah that isn't the problem, that's way more than enough :)
[15:31] <jokoon> yes
[15:32] <jokoon> any way I curse power pc on linux
[15:32] <jokoon> so slow sometimes
[15:32] <jokoon> when I open a dir it charges so much cpu
[15:32] <jokoon> well thanks I'll try that
[15:39] <JannoTT> Dang. i like xubuntu. So simple and fast.
[15:40] <vinnl> ^.^
[15:46] <peter77> how do I set a critical power percentage in xfce?
[15:46] <peter77> I know in gnome its done in gconf
[15:47] <peter77> anyone?
[15:47] <vinnl> Sorry
[15:47] <TheSheep> with gnome-power-preferences, if you have gnome-power-manager installed
[15:55] <peter77> TheSheep: gnome-power-manager is installed by default
[15:56] <peter77> but that does not let me set the percentage
[16:00] <TheSheep> peter77: it's the same program as in gnome, so it uses teh same settings
[16:04] <peter77> TheSheep, k I'll just install gconf-editor then :-)
[16:05] <Lzr> !seen
[16:19] <JannoTT> rofl no nick/channel named seenserv
[16:21] <Valsum> :o
[16:36] <Lzr> hehe JannoTT
[16:37] <JannoTT> what
[16:39] <JannoTT> start answering Lzr :D
[16:41] <Lzr> oh I just read the <JannoTT> rofl no nick/channel named seenserv
[16:41] <JannoTT> oh. Happens :D
[16:42] <JannoTT> !seenserv
[16:42] <JannoTT> !seen
[16:42] <Lzr> Are you handy in Xunbuntu, sir? I'm trying to solve a problem
[16:43] <JannoTT> Me? No. :D Installed it yesterday first time. :P
[16:43] <Lzr> same here!
[16:43] <Lzr> I've got everything working, even my wireless card, except my CD drive
[16:44] <JannoTT> cd drive doesn't work? :/
[16:45] <JannoTT> some exotic cd drive?
[16:45] <Lzr> It "works", but I am getting an error whenever I insert a disc, even though I can still browse it
[16:45] <Lzr> I don't remember getting the error yesterday either
[16:45] <Lzr> Just some drive from a HP notebook
[16:45] <JannoTT> what the error?
[16:46] <JannoTT> what's*
[16:46] <Lzr> Took a screenshot, http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=74031&d=1213457368
[16:47] <JannoTT> Don't have account. Dang gotta register. :D
[16:48] <Lzr> Gah, sorry, didn't know. Well, the bright side is you'll probably need to post there in the future, lol
[16:49] <JannoTT> maybe, maybe not :D
[16:50] <JannoTT> got acc.
[16:52] <JannoTT> can you show your fstab?
[16:52] <JannoTT> !pastebin
[16:53] <Lzr> Sure, one sec man
[16:57] <Lzr> What's the easiest way to copy/paste the fstab contents?
[16:58] <JannoTT> use some random text editor
[16:59] <JannoTT> mousepad maybe... very fast
[17:02] <Lzr> http://paste.ubuntu.com/20168
[17:02] <Lzr> Ah, sweet service
[17:03] <JannoTT> how can you live without floppy device? :D
[17:04] <Lzr> I haven't used a floppy in years
[17:04] <JannoTT> comp restart. one sec.
[17:04] <Lzr> Between flashdrives and CDs, my floppy drive can RIP
[17:13] <JannoTT> :/
[17:17] <JannoTT> i can use your line with no errors
[17:58] <ieuan> I'm running xubuntu, and wondering how I can set a timer on gnome-screenshot like I can with ubuntu
[17:59] <ieuan> anyone able to help??
[18:00] <cody-somerville> Ho
[18:00] <cody-somerville> erm...
[18:05] <JannoTT> download gnome-utils from synaptic. Inside there is gnome-screenshot.
[18:05] <TheSheep> JannoTT: he's gone, attention span of a mayfly
[18:05] <JannoTT> oh
[18:05] <JannoTT> dang :D
[18:23] <anusha> how to use webcam in pidgin
[18:24] <JannoTT> omg. can't open fake drive made by wine.
[18:25] <cody-somerville> lol
[18:25] <cody-somerville> anusha, you can not
[18:25] <cody-somerville> anusha, You'll have to use a different client
[18:26] <JannoTT> The URL "~/.wine/drive_c" is not supported. Thats soo cool
[18:28] <anusha> how to use a different client
[18:30] <JannoTT> Rofl. Renaiming self extracting zip from exe to zip makes it easly unpackable. Thats so sweet. No need for wine.
[18:30] <anusha> how to use a different client in using webcam.what do u mean by that .can u explain me in brief.
[18:31] <TheSheep> anusha: you can use ekiga, for example
[18:32] <TheSheep> you have to install it though
[19:40] <djouallah_> how to change proxy setting in xubuntu,
[19:55] <neonkevo> hello, linux n00b here. was hoping maybe someone can give me a hand with my xubuntu install and my nic
[19:56] <shane_> hello can i install nimbus in xubuntu
[19:56] <TheSheep> what's nimbus?
[19:56] <shane_> a theme
[19:57] <TheSheep> what kind of theme?
[19:57] <neonkevo> shane: i installed it yesterday, it works
[19:57] <neonkevo> search around for the debian packages
[19:57] <neonkevo> the only problem with it is that it does not replace the xfce mouse icon on the task pane
[19:58] <shane_> but it gets the sweet graphics look
[19:58] <neonkevo> at least, it didn't replace it for me
[19:58] <shane_> how is it spelled i tryed searching it the way i spelled and its wrong
[19:58] <TheSheep> neonkevo: you can replace that icon manually
[19:59] <shane_> TheSheep: search it its an awsome looking desktop theme
[19:59] <TheSheep> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Nimbus+(Ubuntu+and+Debian)?content=54755
[19:59] <TheSheep> this one?
[19:59] <neonkevo> TheSheep: i haven't messed with it that much but i think i did see the icon somewhere
[19:59] <neonkevo> yes, thats the theme
[20:00]  * TheSheep isn ot impressed
[20:00] <neonkevo> IMO, the theme isnt that great. it just looks a bit cleaner
[20:01] <TheSheep> xubuntu's default, Murrina Storm, is pretty clean
[20:01] <TheSheep> I like jmak's themes though
[20:01] <neonkevo> colors were a little too dreary for me. i found something a little brighter
[20:01] <shane_> http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Nimbus+theme?content=79571&PHPSESSID=932b029
[20:01] <shane_> theres the the link
[20:02] <TheSheep> not jimc, jimmac's :)
[20:02] <neonkevo> give it a shot shane, you might like it
[20:02]  * TheSheep is using murrina gilouche duo now
[20:03] <neonkevo> anyone around that can help me with a nic issue?
[20:03] <neonkevo> I'll have to try that theme TheSheep. looks like it would look good with the default tango theme
[20:04] <shane_> the only thing i got for  jimmac is a mouse
[20:04] <TheSheep> neonkevo: it looks good with the old tangerine
[20:04] <neonkevo> I'll check it out as soon as i can jump on the net with this xubuntu box
[20:05] <neonkevo> can't get my nic to work with xubuntu
[20:06] <neonkevo> its an old smc nic
[20:06] <SuPeRhOmEm> someone knows if for a pc with k6-II 500mhz processor, the 386 compiled kernel runs better?
[20:10] <Riotta> SuPeRhOmEm: yes
[20:10] <Riotta> if you will compile yourself it will run a lot better than default one
[20:11] <Riotta> on that spec
[20:11] <SuPeRhOmEm> Riotta, I was thinking about install the "linux-386" metapackage, I'm not good with kernel compilations
[20:12] <SuPeRhOmEm> but if the 386 is better than the generic version, i'm on it :)
[20:12] <Riotta> you are talking about older version of *ubuntu ? than 8.04
[20:13] <Riotta> cause in 8.04 there isn't such thing
[20:14] <SuPeRhOmEm> oh really? i'm using gutsy, upgraded from feisty
[20:14] <Riotta> like 386 compiled kernel
[20:14] <Riotta> in gutsy should be
[20:14] <Riotta> but hardy haven't got
[20:15] <SuPeRhOmEm> oh my...
[20:15] <SuPeRhOmEm> can't believe it
[20:15] <Riotta> compiling kernel isn't so hard
[20:16] <Riotta> and you have it optimised good for your machine
[20:16] <SuPeRhOmEm> well... but the drivers are a bit hard to compile
[20:16] <SuPeRhOmEm> my computer is really old.. all onboard with a pc-chips motherboard
[20:17] <SuPeRhOmEm> it was a miracle to set xubuntu running on it
[20:17] <Riotta> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[20:17] <Riotta> how much ram it got ?
[20:17] <SuPeRhOmEm> 512mb
[20:17] <Riotta> well it's more than minimum for xubuntu
[20:18] <Riotta> :D
[20:18] <Riotta> which target is 192mb
[20:18] <SuPeRhOmEm> but the cpu load is almost all the time 100%
[20:19] <Riotta> I think it's kernel fault If you would compile it you can pick from configuration list exact processor type
[20:19] <Riotta> AMD K6 2
[20:19] <SuPeRhOmEm> yep!
[20:20] <SuPeRhOmEm> I heard about a program that helps you to compile a new kernel, omni- something, do u know that?
[20:20] <Riotta> I would encourage you to compile kernel by yourself and disable drivers which you don't need
[20:20] <Riotta> cause default ubuntu kernel has many modules compiled to be VERY compatible
[20:20] <Riotta> :P
[20:20] <Riotta> didn't heard about it
[20:22] <SuPeRhOmEm> well, i'll try to recompile it.. i really need a performance improvement :)
[20:22] <Riotta> also I can recommend you disabling unwanted/uneeded daemons
[20:23] <Riotta> in /etc/init.d you have plenty of files which executable right
[20:23] <Riotta> if you will took that right that daemon whouldn't be loaded at next boot
[20:23] <Riotta> it will save you some memory/cpu cycles
[20:24] <SuPeRhOmEm> I have already did it, but it wasn't enough
[20:24] <Riotta> kk
[20:24] <SuPeRhOmEm> do u think it's better to upgrade to hardy before compiling a new kernel?
[20:25] <Riotta> well it depends on you
[20:25] <jokoon> Odd-rationale TheSheep I still have a problem with xfce : it doesnt start, I tried alt f2, doesn't display anything, no terminal either...
[20:25] <jokoon> please help
[20:25] <Riotta> newer distribution = newer versions of packages. fixes, new features
[20:25] <jokoon> my power can't stand gnome
[20:25] <jokoon> I really need xfce
[20:26] <Riotta> jokoon: did you installed xubuntu by apt-get or you install it from scratch from cd?
[20:26] <jokoon> from apt-get
[20:27] <Riotta> did you installed xfc or xubuntu-desktop metapackage ?
[20:27] <jokoon> the xubuntu metapackage
[20:27] <Riotta> ok
[20:28] <Riotta> I would recommend you uninstall ubuntu base and install xubuntu-desktop again (if you don't need gnome)
[20:28] <Riotta> I will give you a command :D
[20:28] <Riotta> for cleaning this mess
[20:29] <Riotta> probably somepackage corupted or something
[20:29] <jokoon> will it keep my gnome settings ?
[20:30] <shane_> nimbus doesnt feature the full efects in xubuntu?
[20:30] <Riotta> yes
[20:30] <Riotta> settings will be fine
[20:30] <shane_> its diff then the site previews
[20:31] <Riotta> jokoon: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/19643/
[20:31] <Riotta> it's one big command
[20:32] <Riotta> jokoon: but wait
[20:32] <Riotta> your can also
[20:32] <Riotta> try to see if you have set correct shortcut keys
[20:32] <jokoon> yes ?
[20:32] <jokoon> hum
[20:32] <Riotta> Applications -> Settings -> keyboard
[20:32] <jokoon> why ?
[20:33] <Riotta> then shortcuts
[20:33] <jokoon> when I do alt f2 ?
[20:33] <Riotta> and check
[20:33] <Riotta> if you have alt+f2 set correctly
[20:33] <jokoon> or when I do ctrl alt F2 to hae a term ?
[20:33] <jokoon> my problem is that when I start a xfce session, I have a bright blue background
[20:33] <jokoon> with the cursor
[20:33] <jokoon> but nothing else
[20:34] <Riotta> ah
[20:34] <Riotta> so I woud recommend you the first step
[20:34] <jokoon> nothing lighter ?
[20:34] <Riotta> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/19643/
[20:34] <Riotta> probably some package
[20:34] <jokoon> yesyes I have it
[20:34] <Riotta> have been coruppted while you were downloading it
[20:34] <Riotta> and this is the cause
[20:35] <Riotta> don't be afraid on your settings
[20:35] <Riotta> all your settings are stored in your home dir
[20:35] <Riotta> and it will be not touched
[20:35] <jokoon> corrupted ? why isn't there some hash setting with apt get
[20:35] <jokoon> hash check
[20:35] <jokoon> I mean
[20:36] <jokoon> it is going some long wait
[20:36] <Riotta> well it could be a memory fault
[20:36] <Riotta> it happens
[20:36] <jokoon> I also experience a lot crashes with firefox
[20:36] <jokoon> b5 or rc
[20:36] <jokoon> when I have gmail open
[20:36] <Riotta> i remember one guy yesterday that had similar problem to you
[20:36] <jokoon> when I close the gmail tab
[20:37] <Riotta> with xfce
[20:37] <jokoon> and did he find a solution ?
[20:37] <Riotta> and he just didn't installed it cleanly somehow
[20:37] <jokoon> ok
[20:37] <Riotta> so when he installed it properly it worked
[20:38] <jokoon> but I'm removing all gnome package ?
[20:39] <Riotta> yeah all except those not used by xfce
[20:39] <Riotta> and without settings ofc
[20:39] <jokoon> so xfce will work
[20:39] <jokoon> if not I won't have gnome : (
[20:39] <jokoon> but only only xfce
[20:39] <Riotta> yeah
[20:39] <jokoon> and the yesterday guy had a powerpc ?
[20:39] <Riotta> it uses few gnome programs tho
[20:40] <Riotta> nope x86
[20:40] <jokoon> ...
[20:40] <jokoon> but all binaries are different
[20:40] <Riotta> yeah
[20:40] <jokoon> maybe its a ppc specific problem
[20:40] <Riotta> it can be ppc specific problem but I don;t think so
[20:55] <jokoon> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[20:55] <jokoon> do I remove them ?
[20:55] <jokoon> Riotta ?
[20:56] <jokoon> Do i just start a xfce session ?
[20:59] <jokoon> Riotta : (
[20:59] <zoredache> jokoon: sudo apt-get autoremove
[20:59] <Riotta> yes ?
[20:59] <Riotta> sorry I was playing a game :d
[20:59] <Riotta> autoremove and autoclean
[20:59] <jokoon> and then ?
[21:00] <jokoon> just logout and start a xfce session
[21:00] <jokoon> ?
[21:02] <shane_> #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:02] <jokoon> great
[21:15] <RandyboY> What program can encode and burn avi to svcd?
[21:15] <shane_> hey can i get konversation to stay in panel when i close it like i had in kubuntu
[21:25] <shane_> why is it when i right click on a aplication it starts and doesnt give me options
[21:39] <shane_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/20212/
[21:39] <jokoon> thanks it works
[21:39] <jokoon> love to youuuu
[21:39] <shane_> can someone take a look at this and tell me why my right click doesnt open options it just opens the app
[21:40] <jokoon> whats is the shortcut command to put to start a terminal windows ?
[21:41] <TheSheep> jokoon: xfce4-terminal
[21:42] <jokoon> ty
[21:42] <TheSheep> shane_: looks good, where are you clicking exactly?
[21:42] <Riotta> jokoon: it worked ?
[21:43] <jokoon> and can I set the positions of minimize, maximize etc buttons ?
[21:43] <jokoon> Riotta : yes, thanks
[21:43] <jokoon> definilely faster and easier to use
[21:43] <Riotta> cool, I'm glad
[21:43] <jokoon> more compact
[21:44] <Riotta> yeah
[21:44] <Riotta> it have got all what you need
[21:44] <Riotta> nothing less nothing more
[21:44] <djouallah> where to configure gdm, i like to autologin
[21:44] <shane_> TheSheep: in aplications im trying to get konversation to go in pannel so when i close it it will stay open
[21:45] <TheSheep> shane_: I don't knwo about kde apps, but it should be somewhere in the program's settings
[21:46] <jokoon> Riotta Is there a setting somewhere so I can choose the position of button on the drag bar ?ike the menu button, minimize, close, maximize buttons ?
[21:46] <Riotta> djouallah: sudo gdmsetup
[21:46] <shane_> TheSheep: ok is there a better irc that will go best with xfce
[21:46] <Riotta> jokoon: I don't think so
[21:46] <djouallah> Riotta, thanks
[21:46] <jokoon> : (
[21:47] <Riotta> you mean the title bar ?
[21:47] <djouallah> btw, i was expecting it to be in the menu
[21:47] <Riotta> themes ?
[21:47] <TheSheep> shane_: xchat or pidgin, I think, but I like irssi best
[21:47] <Riotta> or you mean...
[21:47] <TheSheep> shane_: but irssi is a text-mode application
[21:47] <Riotta> jokoon: what exactly you wanna to achive ?:)
[21:47] <shane_> TheSheep: ok also is there a msn chat nockoff in xfce
[21:47] <TheSheep> djouallah: it is, in settings->login window
[21:48] <TheSheep> shane_: pidgin should handle msn
[21:48] <djouallah> TheSheep, me silly
[21:48] <shane_> TheSheep: yah i dont like pidgin at all i have kmess now
[21:48] <TheSheep> shane_: you could search in synaptic for msn
[21:49] <jokoon> Riotta in gnome you can can set the buttons positions with some string in gconf-editor metacity stuff, you just change to close,minimize;maximize,menu
[21:49] <TheSheep> shane_: I'm sure you will find several ones
[21:49] <shane_> TheSheep: ok
[21:49] <jokoon> for example I want the close button at the left, not at the right, mac os "style"
[21:50] <TheSheep> jokoon: you can set it in wm settings, just drag the buttons
[21:50] <Riotta> ah I don't think so you can change theme of the window borders only
[22:01] <jokoon> TheSheep not these buttons the one at each top of the window, the drag bar
[22:02] <TheSheep> jokoon: go to settings, setting manager, window manager
[22:02] <TheSheep> jokoon: on the right you can see two frames with buttons
[22:02] <TheSheep> jokoon: drag them around
[22:03] <jokoon> oh yes
[22:03] <jokoon> I thought that was menu buttons like generic save etc
[22:04] <TheSheep> the icons are not very intuitive
[22:04] <TheSheep> I guess they should take them from the theme
[22:07] <slow-motion> hi
[22:10] <JannoTT> Good night everyone. Time to get some sleep. :)
[22:22] <Volkodav> anybody installed opera 9.5 yet?
[22:23] <Volkodav> I have 9.5 beta 2 and 9.5 will not install saying there is later version installed ?
[22:24] <shane_> in xubuntu what is best to use synaptic or add/remove i want to keep things in the xfce as much as posible will one find the best for xubuntu better than the other
[22:27] <slow-motion> n8
[22:32] <shane_> #xubuntu-offtopic
[23:42] <shane_> hey where do i find my cd/dvd in xubuntu lol i cant find it
[23:43] <shane_> im steppin away for a min but if someone could tell me where id be thankfull