=== jontehechdina is now known as JontheEchinda [02:53] * vorian waves [04:57] <_Garbage_> when Tutorial Day is starting ? [04:58] It's in the topic [04:59] <_Garbage_> skreech, can u please tell me time in IST ?? [05:00] <_Garbage_> I have to do +5:30 ? [05:04] _Garbage_: Correct [05:04] <_Garbage_> means Midnight here.. :O [05:04] Time to nap :) [05:10] <_Garbage_> thank you [06:22] Would it be possible to get a transcript of the various tutorials that I missed today? [06:24] they haven't started yet [06:25] stdin, sigh. I need to sleep. I somehow though 1:24am on the 15th meant I missed the tutorials from midday on the 15th. Thanks for the reality check. [06:29] exit === hunger_t is now known as hunger === marseillai_ is now known as marseillai [13:14] if im not mistaken... today is the tutorials day right? [13:22] santiago-ve: yes [13:22] Nightrose, Thanks :D [13:22] :) [13:22] ubottu, time [13:23] santiago-ve: Current time in Etc/UTC: June 15 2008, 12:22:59 - Next meeting: Bugs for Hugs Day in 23 hours 37 minutes [13:23] Information about using and setting your computer's clock on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime - See https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/NTP.html for information on usage of the Network Time Protocol (NTP) [13:23] ubottu, time Caracas [13:23] santiago-ve: Current time in America/Caracas: June 15 2008, 07:53:09 - Next meeting: Bugs for Hugs Day in 23 hours 36 minutes [13:23] Factoid time caracas not found [13:53] Excellent. [13:55] @now utc [13:55] Hobbsee: Current time in Etc/UTC: June 15 2008, 12:55:39 - Next meeting: Bugs for Hugs Day in 23 hours 4 minutes [13:55] * Hobbsee blinks [13:56] ah. wrong berlin. [13:56] *there* we are. [13:56] I think that is incorrect. I was under the impression there are meetings in here at 19:00 UTC. [13:57] sarah@saturn:~% date --utc 10:56PM [13:57] Sun Jun 15 12:56:51 UTC 2008 [13:57] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay [13:57] * Hobbsee is relatively sure that date is, in fact, correct. [13:58] emma: you are correct in your impression, as the wiki says. [13:58] Yes I am. [13:59] * Hobbsee wonders how that is incorrect. [14:00] nixternal: you around yet? or is it a bit early? [14:00] Well it says that the next meeting is in 23 hours and 4 minutes buut the next meeting is apparently in about 6 hours. [14:00] that's the next meeting in #ubuntu-meeting. === Hobbsee changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Back to merging! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Teams | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay | Starts at 19:00 UTC - See http://tinyurl.com/6c6cpn for local time === Hobbsee changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Back to merging! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Teams | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay - starts at 19:00 UTC - see http://tinyurl.com/6c6cpn for local time [14:02] !time [14:02] Information about using and setting your computer's clock on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime - See https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/NTP.html for information on usage of the Network Time Protocol (NTP) [14:02] heya nosrednaekim [14:02] ey Hobbsee [14:03] don't think I can do my session BTW.... doesn't seem to be any python bindings [14:03] nosrednaekim: of kde4? or of plasma in particular? [14:03] plasma [14:03] none existant, or none packaged? [14:04] packaged... nixternal was running into build errors. [14:04] where's the package? [14:04] well, where's what nixternal got up to? [14:04] I don't know... You;d have to talk to him about that [14:05] nixternal seems like a good guy. He has a good sense of humor. [14:05] nosrednaekim: hmm. hopefully he and Riddell will be able to fix it when they're not talking. [14:06] nosrednaekim: what is to bepackaged anyway? [14:06] apachelogger: ...the python bindings? or are you looking for a more detailed answer? [14:06] probably [14:07] apachelogger: I _believe_ it was kross [14:07] ok [14:07] I packaged kross :P [14:07] meh [14:07] nosrednaekim: beta1 you need? [14:07] for 4.1? [14:07] yea [14:07] no for 4.0, but I know that stuff [14:07] was hacking on it for about an week [14:07] apachelogger: any chance you could either a) call the vistalover, or b) package it yourself in a few hours? :) [14:08] or both? [14:08] I should have been talking to you a week ago then.... So I could have had time to at least prepare :P [14:08] Hobbsee: I am a vistalover and I will go for packaging :P [14:08] does anyone feel like packaging a library? (rubberband) [14:08] nosrednaekim: i refrained from commenting on that one... [14:08] apachelogger: oh, are you giving out free money too? [14:09] ;) [14:09] well, in an indirect way, I do from time to time [14:09] Hobbsee: heh.... yeah... the last month has been very very hectic [14:10] and thats my only excuse [14:10] ahhh, i see. [14:11] hi my name is alxander kopf, i started with packing but i have a problem with docbook-to-man, i get this error massage: http://paste.ubuntu.com/20348/ , can someone help me? [14:12] Xand3r is my padawn, btw :) [14:13] ooh, padawans. [14:13] -a [14:15] Xand3r: does http://www.mail-archive.com/docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org/msg02719.html help? [14:19] Xand3r: looks like google is coming up with other similar stuff. [14:19] hmm [14:20] Xand3r: maybe you should start all over again with the docbook [14:20] Hobbsee: is the docbook/manpage template from dholbach still a good one? [14:20] apachelogger: looks like a well known problem. and i'm not sure. [14:20] * apachelogger writes manpages directly so can't really say anything about docbook [14:21] Xand3r: you probably should wait for master nixternal, he'll know what to do ;-) [14:21] ok, thx [14:22] Xand3r: you can continue with some other issues meanwhile [14:23] other issues? [14:23] Xand3r: is lintian happy with the package, other than the manpage is missing? [14:23] only manpag [14:23] +e [14:23] i think [14:24] Xand3r: lintian DSCFILE && lintian DEBFILE [14:28] (as done in #ubuntu-ops) [14:28] apachelogger: ups, [14:28] W: screenie source: debian-rules-ignores-make-clean-error line 39 [14:28] W: screenie source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.7.2 (current is 3.7.3) [14:29] Xand3r: 2nd one is the one I was talking about yesterday, but I didn't notice officially ;-) [14:29] Xand3r: you know what the standards-version in debian/control is? [14:30] btw, if you're trying to package screenie you should know that there already is a package called screenie in the repo [14:31] JontheEchinda: hrrr, that makes stuff a lot more fun :D [14:31] !info screenie [14:31] screenie (source: screenie): a small and lightweight GNU screen(1) wrapper. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.30.0-4 (hardy), package size 6 kB, installed size 80 kB [14:31] hm [14:31] screenie-screenshots maybe as package name? [14:32] * JontheEchinda tried to package it the other day but the make file qmake generates doesn't have any install rules [14:32] and then I got lazy [14:43] hi Hobbsee [14:43] bascule! [14:43] the one and only me [14:44] right, yes, that you. [14:46] kdebindings building ... @ 5 % [14:48] bascule: if you want to act as emma's earpiece, that's fine. as long as you don't act as her mouthpiece. [14:48] I am a fully autonomous individual [14:49] coulda fooled me, at times, but OK. [14:49] really? Oh well [14:51] * apachelogger again doesn't get anything :( [14:54] * Hobbsee passes apachelogger a cookie [14:55] oh, thanks :) [14:55] bindings @ 47 % [14:56] /bin/sh: KDE4_AUTOMOC_EXECUTABLE-NOTFOUND: not found [14:56] woah [14:57] ouch? [14:58] hm, strange thing is - it's installed [14:58] * apachelogger diggs into cmake [14:59] oh well [14:59] it fails in korundum [14:59] not to be cared about right now [15:06] meh [15:06] again is stuff not packaged [15:06] why is it always me to discover such stuff :S [15:07] automoc should be a package from kdesupport apparently [15:46] rofl [15:46] this is the most awkward dead-end-patching I ever did [15:47] * apachelogger is actually wondering how one is supposed to package kdebindings if kde doesn't release an automoc tarball [15:50] ah [15:50] wells [16:09] hola! [16:10] yo, I will not be able to give the kickoff to Tutorials Day today at 19:00 UTC [16:10] nixternal: wrong answer. try again. [16:10] it is father's day here and all of the fathers in the family have our yearly golf outing [16:11] nixternal: happy fatheres' day (am I greeting on the right date?) [16:12] yup :) [16:12] thanks! [16:12] already, heading out now...ttyl [16:12] waaait! [16:12] bah :( [16:19] * apachelogger delegates the talk to Jucato [16:20] CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-2.6/Modules/FindKDE4.cmake:35 (MESSAGE): [16:20] ERROR: Could not find KDE4 kde4-config [16:20] not good :S [16:20] um.. tutorials start at 03:00... [16:20] Jucato: so? [16:21] I doubt I can even be there just to watch :) [16:21] -.- [16:23] ANYONE AVAILABLE TO DO THE KICKOFF TALK FOR THE KUBUNTU TUTORIALS DAY? [16:28] is anybody working on merging kcoloredit? [16:29] Can we just copypasta nixternal's last "contributing to kubuntu" talk? [16:29] :P === JontheEchinda is now known as visternal [16:29] oh hai [16:29] visternal: with some updates [16:29] yes === visternal is now known as JontheEchidna [16:30] Unfortunately I'm going to be occuped at 1900 [16:30] -.- [16:30] What with Fathers Day and stuff [16:41] omg, where did nosrednaekim disappear to [16:43] * apachelogger runs in hysteric through the channel and finally against the channel wall [17:14] nixternal: oh! i completely forgot about that [17:14] (we should have probably told Riddell when he organized..) [17:15] Nightrose is going to kick the day off [17:15] ah cool [17:16] yea [17:16] preparing now [17:17] * \sh needs some beer [17:31] kdesdk-dbg-kde4 has a dependency typo for version 4:4.0.80-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa2 [17:31] Should I submit a bug for that? [17:36] txwikinger: please [17:38] apachelogger: I just like bugs :D [17:39] txwikinger: you are a karma junkie :P [17:39] jussi01: No I am not [17:39] I just can't stop myself [17:39] you are addicted :-P [17:40] clinx: Yes, you could say that [17:40] but not to karma [17:41] more to trying to get Kubuntu work [17:42] txwikinger: then make daily svn snapshots of kde4 ;-) [17:43] why? [17:44] Is someone needed to do those? [17:44] i am addicted to kde4 snapshots [17:44] but i have no experience with debian packaging [17:44] Well.. I am helping you to get off your addiction by not making them :p [17:45] *lol* [17:45] Anyway.. I doubt you need a lot of packaging experience for it [17:45] you just use the same debian folder and change the version in changelog [17:46] furthermore my laptop hasnt got enough power to compile kde in 6 hours [17:47] Well... a nice compile cluster would be nice [17:49] i need acces to the ibm roadrunner this computer compiles really fast :-P [17:49] hi there [17:51] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Roadrunner [17:52] everybody should have a computer like the roadrunner :-D [17:52] yeah [17:52] kdebindings would build faster [17:52] * apachelogger is a bit worrid that nosredneakim is hiding [17:53] clinx: I like the blue lights :D [17:54] i like the thousands of opterons [17:55] and the 100 terabytes of ram [17:58] well.. nice dream... but not necessary useful for compiling [17:59] yes the red hat has too much modifications [18:00] <\sh> apachelogger: http://gallery.sourcecode.de/v/Personal/b028319l.JPG.html is that ok for you? :) [18:01] uhhhh [18:01] omg [18:01] the sexiest [18:01] hrrrhrr [18:11] <\sh> apachelogger: 638x (two dual core opterons, + 16 GB + 8 TB Disk storage ) ;) [18:34] \sh: awesome machine :) [18:37] <\sh> freeflying: yes they were :) and they were all under my control :) [18:43] where can I report bugs on packages of ppa.lauchpad.net ? [18:44] sev_: to the person who made the package [18:44] sev_: depends on the PPA, for the kubuntu-members-kde4 one, here, #kubuntu-kde4 or the mailing list kubuntu-members-kde4@lists.launchpad.net [18:45] stdin: thx stdin, it was for kubuntu-members-kde4 one [18:46] just a spelling mistake which break a package ... [18:51] nosrednaekim: Package: libkrosspython0 [18:51] Source: kde4bindings [18:51] Version: 4:4.0.80-0ubuntu2 [18:51] :D [18:52] nosrednaekim: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/kde4bindings/libkrosspython0_4.0.80-0ubuntu2_i386.deb [18:52] please try [18:53] So what packages and stuff will we need? [18:53] apachelogger: x86_64? [18:53] mehhhh [18:53] apachelogger: its still too late for the tutorial session though :( [18:53] nosrednaekim: Oo [18:53] why? [18:54] cause, I have had nothing to prepare with.. [18:54] cool [18:54] nosrednaekim: you still have quite some hours :P [18:54] my mom is making me do things today.... dang it. [18:54] Shouldn't there only be one hour? [18:54] 01:06 [18:55] mine isn't the first session [18:55] nosrednaekim: yay [18:55] Ah ok [18:55] * apachelogger is a tiny lille bit pissed [18:56] nosrednaekim: You're doing the Plasmoid one? What packages would we need? [18:56] When does the Kubuntu Tutorials Day start? [18:56] kubuntupedia: in an hour [18:56] kubuntupedia: /topic [18:57] HappySmileMan: well, a package that ATM, is not in the repository... which is the issue [18:57] HappySmileMan: I guess you'll want to install build-essential and python-kde4, that should be most of what you'll need for all the sessions [18:57] Ah right, thinbk I have those ones [18:58] oh, python-kde4 is the old package, oh well [18:58] Would it matter that python-kde4 is 4.0.3 and I'm running 4.1B1? [18:58] Hobbsee: around? [18:59] I have updated plasma library and headers [18:59] HappySmileMan: probably, it would [18:59] Damn [19:05] apachelogger: thanks for working on that package BTW... I appreciate it === Igorot is now known as Knightlust [19:29] hi [19:29] hi [19:29] hi [19:29] where is kubuntututorial [19:29] ? [19:29] :) [19:29] I dont'know? [19:29] When it's start? [19:30] I thought I was late;) [19:30] at 19:00 UTC [19:30] here [19:30] it starts here in about half an hour (if im right :) ) [19:30] correct [19:31] If you live in Germany or another country in CEST [19:31] but why i don't see any tutorial's talk :) [19:32] hm... [19:32] http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=15&month=6&year=2008&hour=19&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 [19:32] its 18:32 UTC [19:32] ok ok... [19:32] i see it now [19:32] 19:00 UTC is 21:00 in my country [19:33] I am from montenegro [19:34] ubottu, time [19:34] santiago-ve: Current time in Etc/UTC: June 15 2008, 18:34:08 - Next meeting: Bugs for Hugs Day in 17 hours 25 minutes [19:34] Information about using and setting your computer's clock on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime - See https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/NTP.html for information on usage of the Network Time Protocol (NTP) [19:34] ok... see u in 30min === stevie is now known as vorian [19:42] * riddell is almost back [19:45] coming to you live from the road [19:47] Riddell: I can't do my session as I didn't have enough time to prepare (apachelogger only now made the correct package) [19:47] * Nightrose waves @ Riddell and sladen [19:47] Nightrose: you're doing nixternal's talk? [19:47] yes [19:48] great [19:48] seele: you still able to do your talk in a bit over an hour? [19:49] nosrednaekim: where is apachelogger's package? [19:49] http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/kde4bindings/libkrosspython0_4.0.80-0ubuntu2_i386.deb [19:50] Riddell: and thats not even in my architecture.... [19:50] anyone tested to see if it works? [19:52] hmm, this tutorial day, already looks exciting :) [19:52] Riddell: yep [19:53] hi everyone :) [19:53] Riddell: I have that package installed now, so i could see if it works... but... not quite sure how to test it, hence me being here for the tutorial [19:53] My Python is rusty and never really used KDE libs much [19:56] HappySmileMan: just try this... start up a python session and run "import plasma" [19:56] I think.... [19:56] ImportError: No module named plasma [19:56] nosrednaekim: it just has krosspython.so in it [19:57] ubunturos, [19:57] hey, techno_freak [20:00] HELLO EVERYONE :) [20:00] \o/ [20:00] Can I see some hands please? [20:00] Who is here for Kubuntu tutorials day? [20:00] * HappySmileMan . [20:00] everyone ? :) [20:00] * ubunturos raises his hand [20:00] * Myrtti waves meekly [20:00] * m4v uhmm [20:00] * stdin joins in [20:01] Woahh awesome :) [20:01] Let's start right away with a little intro then. [20:01] * eagles0513875 waves to room and stands up on desk [20:01] lol [20:01] * techno_freak raises both his hands [20:01] You probably expected Nixternal the Vista lover here, eh? [20:01] actually, lemme just announce this in a couple channels ;) [20:01] * ubunturos wonders, where's nixternal. Finds, he's still away ;) [20:01] Tell you what: You won't get him today :( [20:01] But no need to be sad because you will get me and a whole bunch of other Kubuntu folks instead ;-) [20:01] :) [20:01] * eagles0513875 smacks nixternal for using vista and betraying kubuntu [20:01] For those who don't know me: I'm Lydia. [20:01] hi lydia [20:02] I am here to tell you a little about what a cool community Kubuntu has and how you can become a part of the family :) [20:02] hi [20:02] hmm I'd love a live feed of the EC if you got so i can multitask and not miss a goal:-) [20:02] Here is a brief summary of what I am about to cover: [20:02] * A little about myself [20:02] * A little about Kubuntu [20:02] * A breakdown of the various development roles in the Kubuntu community [20:02] * eagles0513875 needs to get back to bug fixing [20:02] And now everyone please sit back and relax :) [20:02] Please note down questions you have so I can answer them at the end. [20:03] === About Me === [20:03] * Free software dudette and advocate [20:03] * Community person [20:03] * Involved in Amarok, KDE and Kubuntu for nearly 2 years now [20:03] * Doing promo, advocacy, community stuff and bug triage most of the time as well as some packaging [20:03] * Go by Nightrose on nearly every communication protocol and website imaginable [20:03] * Email me at lydia@kde.org [20:03] * Check out my blog at http://blog.lydiapintscher.de [20:03] So lets go on to the juicy stuff, shall we? [20:03] si [20:03] OK [20:03] What is this Kubuntu thing everyone in the world should be using? [20:04] === About Kubuntu === [20:04] * Official project of the Ubuntu GNU/Linux distribution [20:04] * We use the same exact base system as Ubuntu, we just use KDE instead [20:04] * It is pronounced koo-BOON-too [20:04] * First released in 2005 with the Hoary Hedgehog (5.04) version [20:04] * http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/591 - The post that started it all, by some smart guy named Jonathan Riddell [20:04] Riddell: You there to say hello? ;-) [20:04] VIVA JONATHAN Riddell [20:04] * Riddell blushes [20:04] ;-) [20:04] Riddell: ty for the best distro out there [20:04] === Where Kubuntu is today === [20:05] * One of the top KDE based GNU/Linux distributions available [20:05] * Still a small, yet tight-knit community of highly dedicated developers [20:05] * People who are fun to work with [20:05] * Both a KDE 3 and a KDE 4 Remix version available [20:05] * Switch to KDE 4 with the next release [20:05] * In numerous large scaled environments (Canary Islands, French Parliament, and others) [20:05] * A tad bit better than yesterday, only to be made better with YOUR help, so it will be even better tomorrow and the day after towmorrow... [20:05] Ah, you know where this is going, right ;-) [20:05] lol ya [20:05] = Development Roles = [20:05] There are many roles available for you to get involved in, no matter your experience level, we have a job for you! [20:05] I will break down the jobs or roles that I feel are in order starting with the easiest all the way to the hardest. [20:05] Feel free to communicate with developers by utilizing our mailing list - https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel (Subscription based - low traffic). [20:06] Note that this list is NOT for user support, for support please see the list information provided in the upcoming section on user support. [20:06] The roles I will break down briefly cover: Advocacy, Support, Bug Triage, Documentation, Packaging, and Coding [20:06] === Advocacy === [20:06] Advocacy is nothing more than a fancier, and better sounding word for marketing. [20:06] I am willing to bet a couple of you just went, "How in the heck is advocating Kubuntu related to development?" [20:06] Yes, advocacy helps in the development of Kubuntu, and by you advocating, you are therefore helping to develop Kubuntu. [20:06] It is about getting Kubuntu known and used! [20:06] This gets Kubuntu in the hands of other people who will use the system and typically report back any issues or compliments to the developers. [20:06] How can you advocate? [20:07] * Get with one of your LoCo teams [20:07] * Get with one of your local Linux Users Groups (LUG) [20:07] * Talk about it face-to-face with friends, family, colleagues, and strangers in the dark (Careful using Kubuntu as a pickup line! Some girls (and boys) might never leave you again ;-)) [20:07] * Give talks at events [20:07] * Work at the Kubuntu booth at an event [20:07] let's get on to user support then :) [20:07] === User Support === [20:07] How can user support be considered a development role? [20:07] * You develop a sense of pride when helping others [20:07] * You develop respect not only for the OS, but also for the users, the developers, and yourself [20:07] * You develop a repoir within the Kubuntu community [20:08] * You help users, see things that could be made better by developers, and report that to the developers [20:08] * eagles0513875 raises hands [20:08] yes? [20:08] when u say develop a sense of pride when helping others are you talking about when in the kubuntu irc channel [20:09] yes [20:09] eagles0513875, anything, forums irc [20:09] right [20:09] face-to-face [20:09] not _only_ irc [20:09] i just wanted to throw that out there for those who are new to the distro [20:09] eagles0513875: I will get to that ;-) [20:09] sry to jump the gun [20:09] ok let's move on [20:09] Having someone like YOU helping out the Kubuntu users helps out the development community tremendously. [20:10] You free up the main developers _a lot_ of time and you also are provided the ability to take what you learn from common issues and communicate that effectively, allowing developers to make a better Kubuntu. [20:10] Places you can provide user support: [20:10] * IRC - #kubuntu on Freenode (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat) [20:10] * Ubuntu Forums - http://ubuntuforums.org [20:10] * Kubuntu Forums - http://www.kubuntuforums.net/ [20:10] eagles0513875: ^ ;-) [20:10] * Mailing List - https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users (Subscription based - medium traffic) [20:10] * At your local LUG or LoCo events [20:10] Everyone needs support and community love, and these are 2 very important areas in development because it helps people use and understand Kubuntu. [20:10] You don't know every fricking detail of Kubuntu yet and fear you therefore can't provide support to other users? [20:10] Fear not. Most of the stuff you will be dealing with will come up several times and you will learn quickly. And after all noone needs to know everything. This is why we need a lot of different people to give support. [20:10] Nightrose, here as well - https://answers.launchpad.net/ [20:11] oh right... [20:11] good point [20:11] thanks [20:11] :) [20:11] ok support is a cool thing [20:11] but what also needs to be done is: [20:11] === Bug Triage === [20:12] Bug triage is a huge part of the development process and comes in easy and difficult tasks. [20:12] * eagles0513875 raises hand again in regards to bugs and fixing and what not [20:12]