[02:15] <pwnguin> is there a reason to prefer bitmap icons over svg for icons?
[04:54]  * Hobbsee wonders why she can't access samba shares in intrepid
[09:53] <Zic> !deowner
[09:54] <Zic> !deop
[09:54] <ion_> ...
[09:54] <Zic> (sorry, amsg error on multiserver…)
[09:55] <Zic> Désolé erreur d'amsg multiserveur / Error of /amsg command on multiserver, sorry
[11:04] <qense> persia: j castro told me that dholbach said that you might be interested in this idea: http://www.qense.nl/posts/114/ What do you think?
[11:25] <Chipzz_> qense: try asking during the week
[11:25] <qense> OK
[12:17] <guysoft42> hi all, it seems the latest python-twisted-core package gives an error status 1 on install
[12:19] <guysoft42> is there anyone that this will interest here?
[12:40] <qense> I know there is a way of letting avahi 'publish' a domain name to other zeroconf enabled computers so they know that 'mywonderfulserver.local' points to you, but how do you do that?
[17:18] <lukehasnoname> bug #239072
[17:28] <Lutin> doko_: would the gcc hardening patches cause a FTBFS if eg NULL is used and stddef.h included indirectly ?
[18:00] <GyrosGeier> hi
[18:01] <GyrosGeier> I maintain asio in Debian, and just noticed that it got into intrepid/main
[18:03] <cjwatson> yes, seems so
[18:03] <GyrosGeier> since we're not sure whether asio will ship as a "proper" library or as a bunch of files that use "using namespace boost::asio;" to get all users of that code (that is currently duplicated by upstream and packed into two separate tarballs) towards using a single copy
[18:03] <GyrosGeier> (we being upstream and the rdepends in Debian)
[18:04] <GyrosGeier> it might be a good idea to sync that
[18:04] <cjwatson> sync which, sorry?
[18:04] <cjwatson> (bug 213688 is the context for main promotion)
[18:05] <GyrosGeier> my point is that it might get dropped from Debian pre-lenny
[18:05] <GyrosGeier> in which case Ubuntu would be stuck with it
[18:05] <GyrosGeier> "dropped" as in "replaced by a redirector library"
[18:06] <cjwatson> well, we could just follow what Debian does, no need to be stuck with it as long as it happens reasonably before intrepid ...?
[18:06] <GyrosGeier> that was my concern
[18:06] <cjwatson> at the moment we're just syncing the package in the normal way, it seems
[18:06] <cjwatson> in any case, the relevant rdepend seems to be abiword 2.6
[18:07] <cjwatson> is there a bug on abiword we can follow?
[18:07] <GyrosGeier> well, currently upstream still ships the library as two separate packages
[18:08] <GyrosGeier> but is contemplating to stop that, now that asio is part of boost 1.35, although with a different namespace
[18:08] <cjwatson> I guess I'm slightly confused as to what we're supposed to do for now
[18:08] <cjwatson> we can't realistically throw abiword 2.6 back out, and we can't ship code that isn't written yet ;-)
[18:08] <GyrosGeier> nothing, if intrepid is far enough away
[18:09] <cjwatson> I'm not sure what's happening with abiword 2.6 in hardy; it was certainly on the cards at some point
[18:09] <GyrosGeier> the basic questions for me would be in which timeframe such a replacement package would need to appear
[18:09] <GyrosGeier> asio is in hardy/universe
[18:09] <cjwatson> though, well, it would hardly be the first time we continued to support code that upstream doesn't care about any more
[18:09] <cjwatson> right now, yes
[18:09] <cjwatson> that may not continue to be the case if abiword 2.6 is added to 8.04.1
[18:10] <GyrosGeier> ah
[18:10] <cjwatson> which was at one point a possibility, though I'm not up to date
[18:10] <GyrosGeier> is there an individual I should coordinate with?
[18:10] <cjwatson> the timeframe for Debian uploads filtering straight through to intrepid with no fuss is 26 June; after that it requires manual action but no particular approval until 28 August
[18:11] <GyrosGeier> okay, so semi-urgent
[18:11] <cjwatson> after that we need to think about whether the new thing is better than just leaving the old thing where it is
[18:11] <GyrosGeier> there are two main ideas
[18:12] <GyrosGeier> either the library does the namespace forward, or the users are patched
[18:12] <GyrosGeier> i.e. s/asio::/boost::asio::/
[18:12] <cjwatson> I think Ryan Pavlik (launchpad.net/~abiryan) has been dealing with the abiword packaging
[18:12] <GyrosGeier> okay
[18:12] <cjwatson> and since it's an 8.04.1 proposal, various core developers have been involved in reviewing and helping out (at least doko, pitti, slangasek)
[18:14] <GyrosGeier> i.e. ubuntu-devel would be the best address, Ccing Ryan?
[18:15] <cjwatson> GyrosGeier: yes, I think so
[18:16] <GyrosGeier> cool, thanks
[18:16] <GyrosGeier> will do that then
[19:38] <leandroal> is there any documentation explaining how to build my own distribution based on ubuntu?
[19:41] <sladen> riddell is almost back
[21:00] <Riddell> usability talk about to start for Kubuntu Tutorials Day in #kubuntu-devel
[22:28] <lukehasnonam1> Where do I go to discuss putting a binary driver into Ubuntu's repos?
[22:34] <pwnguin> lukehasnonam1: which driver?
[22:43] <lukehasnonam1> pwnguin: Nvidia driver
[22:43] <lukehasnonam1> 64 bit for my 8800M
[22:44] <lukehasnonam1> The Restricted Hardware manager didn't detect my card correctly,
[22:44] <lukehasnonam1> but the nvidia linux driver worked. I still have trouble because I think ubuntu rewrites my xorg.conf
[22:45] <lukehasnonam1> In any case, It would seem that Ubuntu does not currently support the 8800M, so I thought I'd talk to someone about it. A bug report is filed, Bug 239072
[22:46] <pwnguin> lukehasnonam1: wouldn't it be great to have good open source nvidia drivers?
[22:46] <lukehasnonam1> Yes, but I can't write graphics drivers.
[22:47] <pwnguin> i know some people who can..
[22:48] <pwnguin> lukehasnonam1: have you heard of nouveau?
[22:48] <lukehasnonam1> no
[22:48] <pwnguin> nouveau.freedesktop.org/
[22:51] <pwnguin> lukehasnonam1: you could contribute in numerous ways
[22:53] <pwnguin> lukehasnonam1: #nouveau is a channel that can help you with the details on how