[00:00] <Flannel> so then... edit source, compile, try it out, rinse, repeat.
[00:01] <jbotscharow> dummy questions time
[00:01] <jbotscharow> what do you recommend i use to edit>
[00:01] <jbotscharow> mousepad acceptable?
[00:01] <Flannel> jbotscharow: Any text editor.  Yeah, mousepad on Xubuntu
[00:02] <jbotscharow> that's what I am running and love it
[00:02] <bbyever> i dont really know what to edit....
[00:02] <jbotscharow> next dummy question: how do I compile it?
[00:02] <Flannel> jbotscharow: I have no idea (it depends).  Check the files you downloaded for instructions.  probably make.
[00:03] <Flannel> bbyever: I say search for something that has a URL that's in the menu, and then explore for a bit
[00:03] <jbotscharow> and give it a new name?
[00:03] <Flannel> Looks like there's an -es menu too
[00:04] <bbyever> Flannel: ok, and i'll look for some sort of firefox add on tutorial or something
[00:04] <Flannel> jbotscharow: Well, the compiling will produce a .deb file, which you then install with dpkg, so ... remove the official menu package, and then use yours
[00:04] <Flannel> bbyever: Aye.  I originally went search for a blanket [heres my code, add your URLs!] plugin
[00:04] <bbyever> coulndt we just then edit the .deb and debuild ?
[00:05] <Flannel> bbyever: What?
[00:05] <bbyever> Flanne: oh no, nvm
[00:05] <Flannel> Editing the deb is essentially what you're doing
[00:07] <jbotscharow> any chance of messing up my computer doing this to the point I'd have to a reinstall of Xubuntu?
[00:07] <bbyever> but if we juste dit it and then install it again, will it install the edited version, or the original one?
[00:08] <bbyever> ﻿jbotscharow: probably not
[00:08] <Flannel> jbotscharow: Nope, since you're compiling it into a deb, you'll still be under package management
[00:08] <jbotscharow> I've already done that twice LOL don't want to do it again
[00:09] <Flannel> bbyever: When you install, it won't be an apt-get command, it'll be dpkg -i [path to deb]
[00:09] <bbyever> ok
[00:12] <jbotscharow> I guess I'll get the code and see if I can edit it. Once I get that done, can I ask for you help in compiling and installing? Best if I digest this a little at a time
[00:15] <jbotscharow> I gotta go, but will leave this open and read anything you guys say in a bit
[00:45] <bbyever> i found where all the links are 
[01:15] <jbotscharow> bbyever: I;m back. Where are the links?
[01:55] <bbyever> ﻿ jbotscharow: hi, sorry, i'm having a family dinner...
[01:56] <bbyever> jbotscharow: they're in the url.properties file under chrome/content/ubuntuit
[02:38] <bbyever> ﻿jbotscharow: john?
[02:39] <bbyever> Flannel: what would you propose to have in the menu. somethings in the it-menu are should not be in our menu, and maybe some things are missing...
[03:32] <jbotscharow> bbyever: sorry, had to go eat dinner
[03:53] <bbyever> ﻿jbotscharow: np
[03:53] <bbyever> ﻿jbotscharow: im making a wiki page with a diagram of what the menu should look like
[03:55] <jbotscharow> great
[03:55] <bbyever> did you find the file i was talking about?
[03:55] <jbotscharow> not yet, haven't had a chance. just got back on a few minutes ago
[03:57] <jbotscharow> I shud still get the source files right?
[03:57] <bbyever> yep
[03:57] <jbotscharow> ok
[03:57] <jbotscharow> I will try to do it later tonight or tomorrow
[03:58] <bbyever> ok
[03:58] <jbotscharow> I have to leave in a bit, got some family stuff to do with the kids b4 they go to bed, but if I don't collapse tonight I'll do it tonight
[03:59] <jbotscharow> been running on short sleep all week
[03:59] <jbotscharow> it caught up with today
[03:59] <bbyever> you should sleep then and leave this for tomorrow
[03:59] <jbotscharow> been sleeping a lot today LOL
[03:59] <bbyever> ﻿when i have the diagram finished i'll upload it to the wiki and post the link to the page on the list. i'll also ask if there is anyone with experience on making ff extensions...
[04:00] <bbyever> i think it might be a bit more complex than just editing the links...
[04:00] <jbotscharow> I don't know if u saw the email i sent you just a few minutes ago, but the kids made me promise not to spend the wgole dat on the computer
[04:01] <jbotscharow> but I should be able to sneak on for a bit LOL
[04:01] <jbotscharow> a bit more complex?
[04:03] <jbotscharow> how so? I'm afraid to ask L0L
[04:03] <bbyever> yeah, because the menu also has an options window and i dont know if it will be afected or if we'll have to edit the code for it. i dont really know, it's just a guess
[04:04] <jbotscharow> Ubuntu has a firefox team? right?
[04:04] <bbyever> i dont know 
[04:04] <bbyever> maybe 
[04:04] <bbyever> i'll check
[04:04] <jbotscharow> ok
[04:05] <jbotscharow> I thot i saw a launchpad link for one
[04:05] <jbotscharow> not sure if it's an active team
[04:05] <bbyever> apparently its the mozilla team 
[04:05] <bbyever> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Firefox3Extensions
[04:06] <jbotscharow> would it be appropriate to contact them and see if someone there can help?
[04:06] <bbyever> absolutely 
[04:07] <bbyever> they have a channel
[04:07] <bbyever> #ubuntu-mozillateam
[04:07] <bbyever> i just joined...
[04:07] <jbotscharow> slow down and let me do some of this LOL
[04:07] <bbyever> ok
[04:08] <jbotscharow> I'm there too now
[04:08] <jbotscharow> want to do it together?
[04:10] <bbyever> sure
[04:11] <jbotscharow> there now i think
[04:11] <bbyever> i dont see you...
[04:11] <jbotscharow> i typed something wrong
[04:12] <jbotscharow> let me try again
[04:12] <Flannel> jbotscharow: What client are you using?
[04:12] <jbotscharow> pidgin
[04:12] <jbotscharow> i think i typed the channel name wrong
[04:12] <Flannel> In a lot of clients, you can click the channel to join
[04:13] <jbotscharow> I am typing the command. that has worked before
[04:13] <jbotscharow> let me try again
[04:14] <jbotscharow> got it this time. cya there
[04:15] <bbyever> kk
[04:21] <jbotscharow> bbyever: you here?
[04:21] <bbyever> yep
[04:22] <jbotscharow> maybe they are sleepimh LOL
[04:22] <jbotscharow> seriously, I
[04:22] <jbotscharow> will leave the window open tonight and see if anyone replies
[04:22] <jbotscharow> if not I'll join and post to the list
[04:23] <jbotscharow> try and get some help by the end of tmorrow, hopefully
[04:23] <bbyever> ok, i'll send a mail to their list, maybe we'll get a reply there
[04:23] <bbyever> ah 
[04:23] <bbyever> ok
[04:23] <jbotscharow> and we can talk Monday
[04:24] <jbotscharow> see where we are at
[04:24] <bbyever> ok
[04:24] <jbotscharow> pep needs to get all the deleted stuff back on the wiki anyway
[04:24] <Flannel> That'd be me.  And, working on it
[04:24] <jbotscharow> and I'll check out the wiki page you are working on
[04:25] <bbyever> deleted stuff?
[04:25] <jbotscharow> sorry Flannel
[04:25] <Flannel> jbotscharow: No worries
[04:25] <Flannel> bbyever: A whole bunch of previous work done on spread ubuntu and related sites
[04:25] <bbyever> ah
[04:26] <jbotscharow> I will learn who everyone is and what they are doing sooner or later 
[04:28] <jbotscharow> Flannel: we are trying to get some help from the moziila team on my idea of a marketing team menu plugin for FF
[04:28] <jbotscharow> the plug in would be for the Locos to use to access marketing materials
[04:29] <boredandblogging> Flannel: have you found the old spreadubuntu files?
[04:29] <jbotscharow> you wouldn't know anyone who could modify an existing plug in, woud you?
[04:29] <boredandblogging> jenda used to have access to the server that hosted it
[04:30] <Flannel> boredandblogging: I found the bzr repo, yeah.  I think that had everything.  Although I haven't checked it against archive.org yet
[04:30] <jbotscharow> boredandblogging: are you working on that project? the spreadubuntu site
[04:31] <boredandblogging> jbotscharow: no, I just know it was something that was initially started early last year
[04:31] <boredandblogging> they had gotten as far as putting up a site
[04:31] <jbotscharow> I would like to talk to someone on that project, because, when they get to the point, I'd like to help write content
[04:32] <jbotscharow> but I don't know who to talk to
[04:32] <boredandblogging> Flannel: are the old spreadubuntu pages still on the wiki?
[04:32] <boredandblogging> over the last 3 months, the marketing wiki has been redone a couple of times
[04:32] <boredandblogging> hope things aren't getting lost
[04:33] <jbotscharow> I found a page describing the old project
[04:33] <boredandblogging> jbotscharow: whats the link?
[04:33] <jbotscharow> but actual site pages I did not see
[04:33] <Flannel> boredandblogging: The old spreadubuntu pages are, yes.  The DIYWebsite thing has been deleted, but the content is all there.  So yeah, I think we're ok.
[04:33] <Flannel> boredandblogging: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu?action=recall&rev=42
[04:33] <jbotscharow> thanks Flannel
[04:34] <Flannel> and then https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite?action=recall&rev=38
[04:34] <Flannel> So yeah, it's all there. Or, everything I've found so far
[04:35] <jbotscharow> boredandblogging: you're Nick Ali?
[04:35] <boredandblogging> jbotscharow: correct
[04:36] <boredandblogging> it does look like there has been a lot of work put into spread ubuntu already
[04:36] <jbotscharow> I'm trying to relate IRC names to list names :-)
[04:36] <boredandblogging> jbotscharow: yeah, I know what you mean
[04:36] <boredandblogging> its confusing
[04:37] <jbotscharow> and Cory K recommended you as someone I shud get to know :-)
[04:37] <boredandblogging> lol
[04:37] <jbotscharow> so wanted to make sure I had the right person before i put my foot in my mouth again
[04:37] <boredandblogging> he must have been pulling your leg
[04:38] <boredandblogging> :-p
[04:38] <boredandblogging> jbotscharow: feel free to ask me anything
[04:38] <jbotscharow> well, i took him seriously, so have I put my foot in my mouth again
[04:38] <jbotscharow> ?
[04:39] <jbotscharow> that's why he recommended i get to know you
[04:39] <jbotscharow> and TYVM
[04:39] <jbotscharow> I really am not a troll LOL
[04:39] <jbotscharow> just a newbie
[04:40] <jbotscharow> a passionate newbie
[04:40] <boredandblogging> passionate is good
[04:40] <jbotscharow> and I may not know FOSS but I do know marketing
[04:41] <jbotscharow> enuf. I'm making myself sick LOL
[04:41] <boredandblogging> :-)
[04:42] <jbotscharow> so, anyway. I guess I need to get someone from moz team to help with the coding for this
[04:43] <boredandblogging> jbotscharow: one of the things that I think would be helpful...
[04:43] <boredandblogging> is if we can get some ideas of what projects we want to do
[04:44] <boredandblogging> we can publicize them in the UWN, Fridge, and Planet
[04:44] <jbotscharow> ok
[04:44] <Flannel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects/ ?
[04:44] <boredandblogging> those 3 combined have a huge viewership
[04:44] <Flannel> (even if its a little old at the moment
[04:44] <jbotscharow> have you seen my email about a fireforx plugin
[04:45] <boredandblogging> i have...
[04:45] <jbotscharow> it would be like the italian team one
[04:45] <boredandblogging> it might be helpful to get 3 or 4 ideas down...
[04:45] <boredandblogging> form some of the foundation...
[04:45] <jbotscharow> but with plugins to marketing materials for locos to use
[04:46] <boredandblogging> like talk to the other teams who need to be involved
[04:46] <boredandblogging> and then broadcast everywhere about it
[04:47] <boredandblogging> thats fine, I'm just saying get 3 or 4 things together, so its gives people options on what they can help out with
[04:47] <jbotscharow> I understand what you are saying, but not clear on how to go about it
[04:48] <jbotscharow> bbyever: u still here? 
[04:48] <bbyever> yep
[04:48] <boredandblogging> besides the plugins, what other intiatives are on the table?
[04:49] <jbotscharow> bbyever: you did say you were wotking on a wiki page for the plugin idea, right? or did I miss understand
[04:50] <jbotscharow> boredandblogging: not sure what you are asking?
[04:50] <bbyever> yep, only i dont want to create it till i have the diagram (which is in fact the main content of the page). Im about to finish it, so it should eb ready in less than 10 mins
[04:51] <jbotscharow> makes sense
[04:51] <jbotscharow> diagram of links?
[04:51] <boredandblogging> are there any other projects besides the plugins and Spread Ubuntu?
[04:51] <jbotscharow> I am working up an idea for a big one
[04:52] <Flannel> boredandblogging: Probably.  Whatever was being done has lapsed as far as I know.
[04:52] <Flannel> boredandblogging: or at least, is unknown to most of us.
[04:52] <jbotscharow> hanf on I'll get the link for you
[04:52] <bbyever> ﻿jbotscharow: yes a diagram of how the menu should be structured
[04:52] <jbotscharow> brb
[04:55] <boredandblogging> Flannel: right, so we need to come up with some stuff that will be useful, like Spread Ubuntu, and other material that LoCos can use
[04:55] <jbotscharow> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-marketing
[04:55] <jbotscharow> bbyever: as a graphic or a text file?
[04:56] <bbyever> an image
[04:56] <jbotscharow> that;s the link to something I am trying to work up
[04:56] <jbotscharow> any advice would be most appreciated
[04:57] <boredandblogging> jbotscharow: yeah, I'm trying to figure out what material we can put into a central repository
[04:57] <jbotscharow> ok. I might have to get my daughter to help me with that one/ she's better with gimp than I am
[04:58] <jbotscharow> everything and everything that any loco has used for marketing
[04:58] <jbotscharow> oops
[04:58] <bbyever> here it is 
[04:58] <bbyever> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/FirefoxMenu
[04:58] <jbotscharow> change first workd to anything
[04:59] <jbotscharow> ok
[04:59] <jbotscharow> I'll have the image done by Monday
[05:00] <bbyever> i made one already, it's on the link above 
[05:00] <jbotscharow> but that content needs to be categorized and organized
[05:00] <bbyever> (if you're talking about the diagram...)
[05:00] <jbotscharow> ok
[05:01] <jbotscharow> I'm not real good at multi-tasking, never was and with my vision probs its even harder
[05:02] <lmessenger> whats up?
[05:02] <boredandblogging> jbotscharow: i'm all for the central repo idea, the core-marketing is a different issue
[05:02] <boredandblogging> combining the central repo idea with spread ubuntu and the DIY marketing stuff
[05:02] <jbotscharow> I am not part of core-marketing
[05:04] <bbyever> ﻿jbotscharow: have you sent the mail to the mozilla team, or should i send it?
[05:04] <jbotscharow> everything we do, IMHO, is linked, or should be, to everythng else
[05:04] <jbotscharow> I'll take care of it
[05:04] <boredandblogging> true
[05:05] <jbotscharow> I was going to wait a bit. see if someone responds on the channe;
[05:06] <jbotscharow> and, my feeling is, everything needs to linked directly to spreadubuntu
[05:06] <jbotscharow> everything other than SU is a subproject of SU
[05:07] <jbotscharow> that should be the focal [pont fpr the team
[05:08] <jbotscharow> does that make sense?
[05:08] <jbotscharow> sorry about the typos.
[05:08] <jbotscharow> I will retype it if u need
[05:09] <boredandblogging> yeah, I get it, thats fine
[05:10] <jbotscharow> I was not sure it was translatable :-)
[05:10] <bbyever> yes, i agree with you. SU should be the main project, and after its up, filling it with content and resources for the LoCos should be one of the main projects of the team.
[05:11] <jbotscharow> I am a blogger, and I gather from your nickname, you are too
[05:11] <jbotscharow> and something I have been thinking about is a blog or two or three for SU
[05:12] <jbotscharow> a good way to keep fresh content
[05:12] <Flannel> bbyever: Not to complain, but it probably should be in /MarketingTeam/Projects/
[05:12] <alan_m> Hey guys, just popping in to make my presence known :)
[05:12] <bbyever> ﻿Flannel: np :) i'll move it
[05:13] <jbotscharow> alan: hi
[05:14] <jbotscharow> Flannel: where to put stuff will probably be a major topic of discussion
[05:14] <alan_m> jbotscharow: if i knew how to make a firefox plugin, the idea of the marketing team plugin would be put into motion...for now I guess ill just use the ubuntu forums plugin for firefox.
[05:15] <boredandblogging> jbotscharow: think the SU focus is good, thats probably the direction we need to head
[05:15] <jbotscharow> alan: we are contacting the mozilla team for help with that
[05:15] <alan_m> jbotscharow: ah, ok, cool
[05:16] <jbotscharow> it will happen, i hope :-)
[05:16] <jbotscharow> brb talk amoung yourselves
[05:16] <bbyever> ﻿Flannel: done
[05:17] <alan_m> jbotscharow: you saw the Ubuntu forums plugin comment i made on the mailing list? i believe its got the whole forum in a list of menu items...im not sure if it has marketing team, but...in 2 seconds i could have the answer for you :)
[05:18] <jbotscharow> alan: no, not yet
[05:18] <jbotscharow> been here :-)
[05:19] <alan_m> aww darn, yeah
[05:19] <jbotscharow> let me go see if its in my emal
[05:21] <bbyever> night all
[05:21] <jbotscharow> alan: on the marketing list>
[05:21] <jbotscharow> ?
[05:21] <alan_m> yes
[05:21] <jbotscharow> strange, not there
[05:21] <jbotscharow> tell me what you said
[05:22] <alan_m> I basically said i personally love the idea of the plugin.
[05:22] <alan_m> and i asked if anybody else was interested.
[05:23] <jbotscharow> boredandblogging: what do you think of the idea of blogs on ths SU site?
[05:23] <boredandblogging> what would the blogs be discussing?
[05:23] <jbotscharow> oh, i saw that one. i thot u were talking about a new one LOL
[05:24] <alan_m> jbotscharow: heh, no
[05:24] <jbotscharow> possiblilites: marketing theory, marketing how tos. marketing stories- ubuntu only
[05:25] <jbotscharow> a blog for newbies
[05:25] <jbotscharow> how to use Ubuntu
[05:25] <jbotscharow> if the site is for users
[05:25] <jbotscharow> DIY stuff, street marketing
[05:25]  * alan_m personally just opens up ubuntu and messes with compiz in front of "candidates" for switching.
[05:26] <Flannel> jbotscharow: marketing stuff should go on the marketing site, DIY stuff (content) will be on the DIY section of SU.
[05:26] <alan_m> Street marketing i definately have done :)
[05:27] <Flannel> Although, I suppose if we wanted to make a "how to market" section on DIY, that'd be doable.  As long as its centralized (all on wiki, or all on DIY, not half and half), it serves the purpose
[05:28] <jbotscharow> some clarification pls: I was looking at the SU site as the marketing team site. Is that wrong?
[05:29] <Flannel> Well, the MArketing team "site" is the wiki page.  Its where the marketing team does all its ... well, team stuff.
[05:29] <Flannel> the SU site (with DIY thrown in) is a product of the marketing team.  Or, I guess that's the best way to look at it.
[05:29] <boredandblogging> SU site should be what LoCos and others can get material and maybe submit material
[05:29] <boredandblogging> but like Flannel said, the team pages should be the wiki
[05:30] <jbotscharow> ok, so if it is a product of the marketing team, and is the focal point of all our projects, then should it not include all finished products?
[05:30] <Flannel> and in response to the last thing you mentioned, "new user" stuff is already existant (in various stages of completeness).  We don't need to duplicate efforts.
[05:30] <jbotscharow> agreed
[05:31] <jbotscharow> what I am getting at is: the wiko for works in progress
[05:31] <jbotscharow> the SU site for finished products
[05:31] <Flannel> jbotscharow: No.  Its just a single project (the website itself) that we're doing.  In the future we may have ... completely different projects, and those obviously shouldn't go on that website
[05:31] <Flannel> jbotscharow: No no.  SU is for materials for people to take and use.  the wiki is an "internal" site for marketing team use.
[05:31] <Flannel> Whether thats organization, or whatever.
[05:32] <jbotscharow> ok. that clears things up
[05:32] <Flannel> (I'm going to be doing part A, you do part B, etc)
[05:33] <jbotscharow> I missed something. what's part A? part B?
[05:34]  * alan_m missed it too jbotscharow, dont worry :)
[05:34] <Flannel> jbotscharow: Random parts of future projects
[05:34] <Flannel> (made up examples)
[05:34] <jbotscharow> ok threw me for a little loop there
[05:35] <Flannel> For instance, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FloridaTeam/Projects
[05:36] <jbotscharow> well it's getting late here so I had better go. been burning the candle at both ends. I will eave this on so I dont miss anything
[05:36] <jbotscharow> good night all
[05:36] <Flannel> jbotscharow: I think we're logged.
[05:37] <boredandblogging> jbotscharow: nite
[05:37] <jbotscharow> yeah
[05:37] <jbotscharow>  coik
[05:37] <jbotscharow> cool
[05:37] <jbotscharow> cya all Monday, as i might not be here tomorrow. Fathers Day,
[05:38] <alan_m> yeah Flannel, were logged in here :)
[05:38] <Flannel> jbotscharow: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/06/15/%23ubuntu-marketing.txt
[05:38] <jbotscharow> kids have plans LOL
[05:38] <Flannel> If you don't want to leave your computer on
[05:38] <Flannel> or whatever
[05:38] <Flannel> can always catch up there
[05:38] <alan_m> happy early fathers day then jbotscharow :)
[05:38] <jbotscharow> ty ty
[05:38] <jbotscharow> and same to any other fathers in the room
[07:45] <jbotscharow> boredandblogging: if you have a minute, could use some advice
[07:48] <jbotscharow> I have an Ubuntu etiquette question if someone is willing to answe it
[07:49] <Flannel> jbotscharow: One thing to learn about IRC, never ask to ask.  If no one wants to/knows how to/whatever answer the question, it simply won't be answered.
[07:50] <Flannel> just like you shouldn't expect people to indicate an absense of an answer.
[07:50] <jbotscharow> ok, i was not sure if anyone was here
[07:50] <jbotscharow> sorry. won't do it again
[07:51] <jbotscharow> I was wondering what the best way to contact someone on another team is
[07:51] <Flannel> jbotscharow: it's not really a big deal, just something everyone learns early on
[07:51] <Flannel> jbotscharow: What do you mean?  Do you have an example?
[07:53] <jbotscharow> I want to contact Alexander Sacks, a developer with the mozilla team to see if he can get me some help with a little project O am trying to pit together.
[07:53] <jbotscharow> sorry Flannel, did not realize who i was talking to
[07:54] <jbotscharow> its about getting some help with the firefox plugin
[07:54] <jbotscharow> I did a little research on LP and he seems to be the person to conract
[07:55] <Flannel> jbotscharow: alright, so... first thing I did, was Check him out on the wiki (wiki.ubuntu.com, search for "sacks").  Found nothing (either isn't on the wiki, or uses an alias).  Then I searched for a LP team for mozilla team.
[07:57] <Flannel> Oh... and it looks like there is one.  It's not ~ubuntu-mozillateam, just plain ~mozillateam.  Alright, so, from the main LP page, on the left is "show all members", he's a member, click his name.  We get his personal LP page, which includes that he is "asac" on IRC, and also gives his email (all on the right third)
[07:57] <jbotscharow> https://launchpad.net/~asac
[07:57] <Flannel> So, looks like it's Alexander Sack, not sacks.
[07:57] <Flannel> Right
[07:58] <jbotscharow> my lousy typing. sorry
[07:58] <Flannel> Originally, I had just googled Ubuntu Mozillateam, which gives is their wiki page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam) and that has a memberpage on it too (Contacts, all the way to the right) with his IRC nick and email as well.
[07:58] <Flannel> And actually, /whois asac shows that he's online right now (although not necessarily at the keyboard)
[07:59] <jbotscharow> exactly 
[07:59] <jbotscharow> and i don't really know how to tell that
[07:59] <Flannel> to tell what?
[08:00] <jbotscharow> would it be better to email him or IRC him
[08:00] <jbotscharow> ?
[08:00] <jbotscharow> if he's actually at his keyboard :-)
[08:00] <Flannel> oh. No way to tell that.
[08:01] <jbotscharow> I did not think so
[08:01] <Flannel> As for which, its personal preference really.  I say try him on IRC, if he's away, you can email him
[08:01] <jbotscharow> which brings up the need for some instruction
[08:02] <jbotscharow> how do I go about contacting him on IRC? I know how to get into a room, but not how to do pn
[08:02] <jbotscharow> pm
[08:02] <Flannel> Since you are identified, you can successfully query.  so, either /msg nick [text] or /query nick [text]
[08:03] <Flannel> and, I'm sure pidgin has some fancy GUI way too
[08:03] <jbotscharow> if it does, i have no clue
[08:03] <Flannel> but, /msg and/or /query should do the trick
[08:03] <jbotscharow> I'm learning how to do this the hard way LOL
[08:04] <boredandblogging> there is no easy way
[08:04] <Flannel> eh, its faster.  Your fingers will have to type your message anyway.
[08:04] <jbotscharow> pictures are always easier
[08:04] <boredandblogging> too time consuming
[08:04] <jbotscharow> not if you  are a lousy typist
[08:05] <Flannel> IRC will fix that in a jiffy
[08:05] <jbotscharow> what goes in [text]?
[08:05] <Flannel> jbotscharow: Whatever you want to say to him (the first time)
[08:05] <Flannel> after that, I presume a new window will pop up, or something similar
[08:06] <jbotscharow> hang on, want to reread earlier instructions. may have missed something
[08:07] <jbotscharow> I see my prob "nick" is his nickname?
[08:07] <Flannel> jbotscharow: it is.
[08:08] <jbotscharow> that's what went right over my head the first time i read your instructions
[08:08] <jbotscharow> thanks Flannel
[08:08] <jbotscharow> BTW, what is your name on the list, so i make proper connections?
[08:10] <Flannel> jbotscharow: Neal
[08:10] <jbotscharow> ok, thanks for the help
[08:11] <jbotscharow> Flannel: the help is very much appreciated
[08:11] <Flannel> No problem
[08:33] <jbotscharow> Flannel: I got a hold of him and got what I needed. thanks again
[14:15] <jbotscharow> Good morning all and Happy Fathers Day to all the fathers here :-)
[14:21] <cody-somerville> :)
[14:50] <popey> aaargh 99 unread messages in ubuntu marketing ml
[14:53]  * popey boggles at another marketing mailing list
[14:54] <boredandblogging> :-P
[14:56] <popey> i can see why people have left the list - it's gone mad recently
[14:57] <boredandblogging> l0l
[14:59]  * popey clicks "mark all as read"
[17:04] <hubuntu> pep are you there?
[17:04] <pep> yes hubuntu
[17:04] <pep> you got my email?
[17:04] <hubuntu> I'm setting up a team in launchpad for spreadubuntu
[17:05] <hubuntu> I will as well set up a mailing list and get us started
[17:05] <pep> a team?
[17:05] <hubuntu> I am going to set it up to be moderated and to be a meritocracy
[17:05] <hubuntu> yes
[17:05] <hubuntu> a team
[17:05] <hubuntu> yes I did see your e-mail
[17:05] <pep> I see... 
[17:06] <pep> Flannel: are you there?
[17:06] <hubuntu> the thing is that I'm unsubscribing from the marketing team list.. way to much talking
[17:06] <hubuntu> I get depressed by such things
[17:06] <hubuntu> flannel are you mike?
[17:06] <pep> it has stopped now... I think it won't go on..
[17:06] <hubuntu> That's waht I thought last week
[17:06] <pep> well it has calmed down now..
[17:07] <pep> at least I think
[17:07] <hubuntu> anyway our project is actually very big and it better to have our own infrastructure dedicated to that purpose
[17:07] <pep> doesn't seem like anyone bringing up the subject for the moment
[17:07] <hubuntu> and I think many people will want to join a team/list which keepos itself to the work being done
[17:07] <pep> yes hubuntu, but don't loose out of sight that there are other people wanting to work on this..
[17:07] <hubuntu> of course
[17:07] <pep> fine for the team
[17:07] <pep> it is a good idea
[17:07] <hubuntu> and they are welcome to join
[17:08] <pep> Flannel is currently gathering all information and already done work and thinking on SU
[17:08] <hubuntu> Flannel, is Mike Feravolo?
[17:09] <hubuntu> it would be a good idea to put the whole thing in a wiki page
[17:09] <hubuntu> so we all can gather it
[17:09] <pep> nono
[17:09] <pep> flannel is neal bussett
[17:09] <hubuntu> That way Neal could cooperate with Mike
[17:09] <hubuntu> they are after all doing the same job I have been doing before
[17:10] <hubuntu> and I am just a hater of duplication work
[17:10] <pep> well, it's kind of strange because a lot of wiki pages seem to have been deleted
[17:10] <pep> we don't know the exact reason
[17:10] <hubuntu> we just need make Mike and Neal realize they are not alone
[17:10] <pep> but flannel is undeleting them and centralizing this..
[17:10] <pep> mike?
[17:11] <pep> mike is "
[17:11] <pep> Just to let you all know that I am going to make the effort to find out
[17:11] <pep> what the LoCo's are doing or have done in respect to marketing.
[17:11] <hubuntu> he sent an e-mail 4 hours ago talking about compiling LoCo Teams marketing work
[17:11] <pep> I'm not sure this is thinking about SU, is it?
[17:11] <pep> Yeah, I don't understand wy he heads this way alone anyway to tel the truth...
[17:11] <pep> why*
[17:11] <hubuntu> Because he most likely doesn't know we exist
[17:12] <hubuntu> that's my point
[17:12] <pep> yeah I see
[17:12] <hubuntu> we need to get peoiple working together
[17:12] <hubuntu> no announcements... It's better to contact them directly
[17:12] <pep> Ok, make a subteam of the marketing team for SU then...
[17:12] <hubuntu> and of course announcing it is always an idea
[17:12] <pep> i left the core marketing team on launchpad
[17:12] <pep> I find this ridiculous
[17:12] <hubuntu> take a look: https://edge.launchpad.net/~spreadubuntu
[17:13] <hubuntu> https://launchpad.net/~spreadubuntu
[17:13] <pep> so did onno btw...
[17:13] <hubuntu> edge is for beta testers ;)
[17:13] <pep> hehe
[17:13] <pep> si
[17:13] <pep> right, just applied
[17:13] <hubuntu> this is meritocracy.. I don't want nobody to tell me what to do... If you act and you get to know our ways you will have a voice
[17:13] <pep> haven't been on LP since ages
[17:13] <hubuntu> if not, then learn first and then talk
[17:13] <pep> s/since/for
[17:14] <pep> hubuntu: that is the normal way ;)
[17:14] <pep> we were on the same level regarding many things anyway I have the feeling
[17:14] <hubuntu> yes, but I want to make that clear since before getting into the project
[17:15] <hubuntu> after a while I believe the project will be open... And of course admin status will be given to everyone who is in the group  ;)
[17:15] <pep> well you put it into the group description, seems pretty clear
[17:15] <hubuntu> and the marketing core team will eventually do their howework
[17:15] <pep> howework?
[17:15] <hubuntu> yes.. Understand what they are
[17:15] <pep> Ok
[17:15] <pep> fine
[17:16] <hubuntu> and if they do it in a propper way, they will cooperate with others in their terms
[17:16] <hubuntu> if not, it will stay just what it is.. A nice idea that didn't work
[17:16] <pep> got to get back on LP after my exams, my karma's divided by more than 10 since I joined^^
[17:17] <pep> you sure about calling it "su" and not SpreadUbuntu ?
[17:18] <hubuntu> not really...  But it gives a good connotation
[17:18] <hubuntu> like a "super user", "SUper marketer"
[17:18] <hubuntu> I guess we'll discuss that
[17:18] <hubuntu> It's just a draft ;)
[17:19] <hubuntu> If we do thing right spreadubuntu.com will be pointing at our website
[17:19] <hubuntu> by the end of august
[17:19] <pep> we should get the project https://launchpad.net/spreadubuntu assigned to the new team, and make SU team a subteam of marketing team... (a lot of "team" in there ;-)
[17:19] <hubuntu> now I'm going to write an e-mail to the people who seem to be serious about working with this
[17:20] <hubuntu> We will eventuallyt
[17:20] <pep> why not just write it to the list?
[17:20] <hubuntu> but let's keep it simple for now
[17:20] <pep> this is definitely a marketing team project...
[17:20] <hubuntu> because I'm tired of reading a lot of answers just because they can answer
[17:21] <hubuntu> I think people is tired of that
[17:21] <hubuntu> but I will send an e-mail.. everyone else is of course free to do what they want
[17:21] <hubuntu> this is not in any way anyones project
[17:21] <hubuntu> is a project by the actors, no more, no less
[17:21] <pep> that is wy it is not good to send normal email..
[17:22] <hubuntu> I believe it is... If you think otherwise you can always send an email to the list :)
[17:22] <pep> how can somebody who *wants* to get work done and help participate if we don't inform the list?
[17:22] <hubuntu> I'm just trying to stay away from there
[17:22] <hubuntu> pep, in the meeting we where the ones talking about this su thing
[17:23] <pep> Don't do that, you're letting these people the space they wanted to make themselves...
[17:23] <pep> yes
[17:23] <pep> I agree
[17:23] <pep> but that is not a reason to close ourselves on the rest of the team
[17:23] <hubuntu> I don't are about who is called what between a given structure
[17:23] <pep> just ebcause some people got everyone fed up on the list
[17:23] <hubuntu> *care
[17:24] <hubuntu> I want a project open to everyone who wants to act
[17:24] <hubuntu> no buzzwords, no talking... Action!
[17:24] <hubuntu> now... I will send you an email about that. And if you see fit you will send it to the list. The announcement will come eventually
[17:25] <pep> yes, let's do this in a state-of-the-art then, announce to the list, make subteam of marketing team, assign the LP project to our team and get working on our mailing list... so we can't be critizised about anything..
[17:25] <pep> just do it the way it should be done...
[17:25] <pep> in ubuntu community theory, regardless of some loud voices on the list
[17:26] <hubuntu> but I do not want to be the one to do it (matter of fact I have already done it: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2008-June/003227.html)
[17:26] <pep> and more importantly! regardless of anyone who doesn't share the same view of community work
[17:26] <hubuntu> those wanting to get involved will get involved eventually
[17:28] <pep> Very good, we will use only https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu as a base, so that we stay central, as well as our new team on LP, and the SU project on LP, that we will assign to the team. I will do a quick announcement on the list after your email.
[17:28] <hubuntu> ok.. but maybe we should change the page in the wiki?
[17:28] <hubuntu> Make it a /Draft/
[17:29] <pep> draft?
[17:29] <hubuntu> or something.. what you think?
[17:29] <pep> well the wiki is a working place...
[17:29] <pep> not the final product, so no need for draft, I think it's fine as it is...
[17:29] <pep> jenda are you there?
[17:29] <hubuntu> I know... But to make it easier for people to:  * Can learn yourself how to be part of our team
[17:29] <hubuntu> should be teach
[17:29] <hubuntu> right?
[17:30] <pep> ehrm.. didn't quite catch the sense of your sentence there :/
[17:30] <hubuntu> in the LP page
[17:30] <hubuntu> * Can learn yourself how to be part of our team
[17:30] <hubuntu> or * Can teach yourself how to be part of our team
[17:30] <pep> you mean making sure that ppl don't get carried away by there own view of how it should be done?
[17:31] <pep> ah
[17:31] <pep> hang on
[17:31] <hubuntu> I want people to learn how to do things by themselves
[17:31] <hubuntu> sorry. I expect people to do it first
[17:31] <pep> yes
[17:31] <pep> teach
[17:31] <hubuntu> and then ask questions
[17:31] <hubuntu> It may sound harsh, but it's a reality
[17:31] <pep> well
[17:32] <hubuntu> people can and should cooperate, but they must take some responsability
[17:33] <hubuntu> I'm a doer, ok, donæt blame me
[17:33] <pep> in each case, I think you're overreacting a bit with all this fuss.. but once we are working actively, in a month or so... we might change the description to something a little more subtle don't you think? ;)
[17:33] <hubuntu> I'm here to chance the text in the LP to be as appealing as possible, while staying clear
[17:33] <pep> yes
[17:34] <hubuntu> I guess so.. By that time others will have admin level so it will be up to whoever is there working with us
[17:34] <pep> but keep in mind that this is a subteam of the marketing team... let's not make the same thing as the core team..
[17:34] <pep> because it is ridiculous to fork ourselves off from the marketing team imho
[17:35] <hubuntu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu
[17:35] <hubuntu> we ARE part of the marketing team
[17:35] <pep> yes
[17:35] <pep> good so ;)
[17:35] <pep> I like working with you ;)
[17:36] <hubuntu> but we are rather a part of the team that likes acting
[17:36] <hubuntu> let others do the talk
[17:36] <hubuntu> hey... talk is chreap
[17:36] <hubuntu> hahaha
[17:36] <hubuntu> ceap
[17:36] <hubuntu> cheap
[17:37] <hubuntu> meisok is going to help us get a site at the base of the ubuntu-es
[17:37] <pep> yes, for now, I don't care really, all i say is that on a glabal basis, in the good way of things, this is right, but we must make it subteam of marketing team in LP for taht...
[17:37] <pep> ok
[17:37] <pep> it wonders me that you haven't put http://spreadubuntu.co.uk/ in the wiki, I'll add it
[17:37] <hubuntu> Yes, but I do not have access to do that ;)
[17:37] <hubuntu> please do
[17:38] <hubuntu> now that you say it... I did see it a while ago, but that is ages ago
[17:38] <hubuntu> We will use drupal (I guess), but it will have too have a custom look
[17:39] <hubuntu> and be a lot more obvious
[17:39] <hubuntu> we'll find out
[17:39] <pep> yes
[17:41] <hubuntu> I am going to make a header for the SpreadUbuntu wiki page now
[17:41] <hubuntu> and when I'm done I will send the email
[17:41] <pep> fine, hf :)
[17:41] <hubuntu> Be back in a few hours... 
[17:41] <pep> if you accept me in SU team in LP
[17:42] <pep> I will try to get our team subteam of ubuntu-marketing, and get the old Launchpad SU project assigned to the new SU team...
[17:47] <hubuntu> you are the admin now ;)
[17:47] <hubuntu> pep, the goals, objectives and ways of operation should be changed to reflect where we are now, and where we are going
[17:48] <pep> thx
[17:48] <pep> yes, it's good for now... I'll think it a bit over, if I have comments I'll talk to you about it first anyway...
[17:48] <hubuntu> and if you can add everyone else you kn ow working in the issue.. I'll add meisok right now
[17:48] <pep> sure
[17:52] <hubuntu> for the record.. I have already applied for a mailing list in LP
[17:52] <pep> I saw that
[17:53] <pep> once it is set up we can get working, as we'll have gathered the group you'll write an email to
[17:54] <pep> just made it a subteam of the marketing team
[17:55] <hubuntu> we should add ourselves to https://launchpad.net/~openid-testers
[17:55] <hubuntu> to teach by example
[17:55] <hubuntu> we should be the first related ubuntu site to use Launchpad Open ID as the standard login
[17:56] <hubuntu> that way we can avoid bifurcation and concentrate our work on LP and the wiki
[17:56] <pep> yes
[17:56] <pep> but
[17:56] <pep> this will is definitely to be kept in mind, but maybe not a priority right now...
[17:57] <pep> but I share your point, we should definitely be actively supporting LP openID
[18:00] <hubuntu> I believe we should do it from the start... But I will rather implement it and then talk... Once it's done people will just have to live with it
[18:03] <pep> yes, implement it right away for sure
[18:08] <pep> hubuntu: you knew this existed? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-diy-team they were working on the abandoned https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite project (official status in LP is "Abandoned"). Once Flannel has gathered all we need, I will get everything under the new SU team and project in LP...
[18:08] <pep> didn't know they already had a group for this..
[18:09] <hubuntu> The link is in the page I set up
[18:09] <hubuntu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing  <- [WWW] Do-It-Yourself Ubuntu Marketing Material
[18:10] <hubuntu> it seems actually to have been updated of lately
[18:10] <pep> it is not the same thing
[18:11] <pep> I am talking about the DIYWebsite, not the DIYMarketing wiki...
[18:11] <hubuntu> KatKinnie seems to be very active
[18:11] <pep> DIYWebsite= our conception of SU
[18:11] <pep> anyway
[18:12] <hubuntu> I've heard of that site
[18:12] <hubuntu> and ended up in the diy.devubuntu.com
[18:12] <pep> yes
[18:12] <hubuntu> it seems it was a good resource once, but I have never seen it
[18:12] <pep> well that is our goal ;)
[18:13] <pep> but let's not precipitate things and wait for Flannel to have everything together first...
[18:34] <Flannel> hubuntu: ping
[18:34] <Flannel> pep: ping
[18:34] <pep> pong
[18:34] <pep> Flannel: have you seen what we discussed?
[18:35] <Flannel> pep: reading it now
[18:35] <hubuntu> indeed.. and get in touch with Mike in order to cooperate and not duplicate
[18:36] <hubuntu> we have to find out who KatKinnie is
[18:36] <hubuntu> seems very active in the kind of activities we are working on
[18:36] <pep> A LP team, subteam of ubuntu-marketing has been created to focus on SU... 
[18:37] <pep> yes, jenda was active on the DIYWebsite and diy.devubuntu.com
[18:37] <pep> he is also driver of the SU project on Launchpad
[18:37] <Flannel> Kat Kinnie is the Marketing ocntact for canonical
[18:37] <hubuntu> is KatKinnie jenda?
[18:37] <Flannel> No
[18:38] <pep> NO
[18:38] <hubuntu> I see Flannel
[18:38] <hubuntu> :)
[18:38] <hubuntu> seems we are on the right track
[18:38] <Flannel> hubuntu: A lot of work has *already* gone into planning spread ubuntu and DIY marketing websites, and I think we should pick up where they left off
[18:38] <hubuntu> of course
[18:38] <pep> Definitely
[18:38] <pep> that is why contactong them is a priority for the moment...
[18:39] <Flannel> There already *is* a LP team for it, although I'm not sure there needs to be a separate one at all.
[18:39] <Flannel> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-diy-team
[18:39] <Flannel> pep: They've been contacted, waiting for replies
[18:39] <pep> Good
[18:39] <pep> yes we saw that LP team Flannel
[18:41] <pep> well, as this project is no longer called diy-something, and that the diyWebsite is officially abandoned, I don't think it is a problem if we create one for SU, and then talk with jenda about merging it... also.. I made the SU team a subteam of ubuntu-marketing
[18:41] <Flannel> hubuntu: And on top of that, some of the code for the two (DIY and SU) has been written already
[18:42] <Flannel> pep: No, it's not been abandoned.  One of the developers went through and marked at as such a few months ago.  The code still works, etc.
[18:42] <pep> we will not be forking off the marketing team, it is important to keep this a workgroup, but SU is still the marketing team's project..
[18:42] <Flannel> Besides, we're un-abandoning it.
[18:42] <Flannel> DIY and SU serve different, but related, audiences.  As such, it may (or may not) be useful to keep them "separate"
[18:42] <Flannel> However, they both are intertwined when it comes to the website usage
[18:43] <pep> We're talking about DIYWebsite, not DIYMarketing right?
[18:43] <Flannel> the "separate" would be where DIY was like... diy.spreadubuntu.com instead of just spreadubuntu
[18:43] <pep> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite != https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing
[18:43] <Flannel> pep: DIYMarketing is a temporary repository for stuff going onto DIYWebsite
[18:43] <pep> yes
[18:43] <pep> ok...
[18:44] <Flannel> hubuntu?
[18:44] <pep> so you think we shouldn't merge the diy team with the new SU team to work towards one SpreadUbuntu website?
[18:45] <pep> i think it is best to put all efforts in this new team and assign the SpreadUbuntu project and particularly the DIYWebsite Blueprint to the team...
[18:45] <Flannel> The only reason we need to worry about a subteam is for commit access to bzr
[18:46] <pep> well it was mostly because of a work mailing list here I think...
[18:46] <Flannel> I think the mailing list should be the marketing one.
[18:47] <Flannel> It's not going to be super high volume
[18:47] <Flannel> It'll be mostly about planning/direction/etc, and that can't hurt to ask the whole marketing team about.  If we have technical discussions we need to have, sure, we probably ought to have a separate list for that
[18:48] <pep> I think it is not bad to have a separate group/list, of course, reporting to the main list as well...
[18:49] <Flannel> that's fine
[18:49] <Flannel> Really, group management is not something I'm too worried about.  Whether we wanted to take over the diy marketing or start a spread ubuntu (I think the latter might be better for consistency in naming)
[18:49] <pep> it's just a matter of having a workgroup, but 100% part of Ubuntu-marketing of course.
[18:50] <pep> yes, the latter is better I am convinced about that... it also gives new wind to the project (started in 2006 if I recollect)
[18:50] <Flannel> hubuntu, you alive?
[18:51] <pep> afk in all cases :)
[18:51] <Flannel> Started earlier than that.  October of 2005
[18:51] <Flannel> Its certainly time to see it come to fruition
[18:51] <pep> oh yes, I see.. I read 2006 on LP, but either way, it is..... [I was going to write what you put so nicely :)]
[18:57] <Flannel> pep: but, I've contacted a whole bunch of people who were previously working on it.  And then reverted all the deleted pages on the wiki (and I know one needs to be updated)
[18:58] <pep> what does that change?
[18:58] <Flannel> what does what change?
[18:59] <pep> ehm sorry, I think I got confused by the "but" starting your sentence :)
[18:59] <pep> nevermind
[19:01] <Flannel> But, the DIY website homepage looks pretty good actuall.
[19:01] <Flannel> Functionality is not all there yet, thouh
[19:01] <Flannel> though, even.
[19:04] <pep> you're talkng about the wiki? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite/ ?
[19:05] <Flannel> that's the page that was deleted, yeah
[19:05] <Flannel> That and a few subpages of that one
[19:05] <pep> yes
[19:05] <pep> We will have a good basis...
[19:05] <Flannel> its got a nice roadmap and stuff on it
[19:06] <Flannel> as far as I'm concerned, we're just implementing the concepts that were already planned.  Since they fit the bill nicely.  I don't think there's a whole lot of reason to change much
[19:07] <Flannel> The cooperation (and separation) of DIY and SU sites is something that will make it a lot easier for people to use too.
[19:07] <pep> no, but we have to focus on *one* working area I think, because currently there are a lot of already done things a on different places on the wiki and in LP
[19:07] <pep> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~meatballhat/ubuntu-diy-marketing/diy-wp/revision/jenda%40Mitch-ProServer-20070520124555-74fff5fed20c15ed?start_revid=jenda%40Mitch-ProServer-20070520124555-74fff5fed20c15ed for example
[19:08] <pep> have you seen this set up?
[19:08] <Flannel> That's a broken link
[19:08] <pep> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~meatballhat/ubuntu-diy-marketing/diy-wp/changes
[19:09] <pep> this one should work
[19:09] <Flannel> but no, that's not the code I was talking about.
[19:10] <pep> well, it shows that there are a lot of things in many places
[19:10] <Flannel> and I've got them all cataloged... except for that one apparently
[19:11] <Flannel> but, the other one is: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-ohio/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu/
[19:11] <pep> https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-diy-marketing got it from here
[19:11] <pep> status: abandoned
[19:11] <pep> but last modified 3 weeks ago
[19:11] <pep> ok
[19:11] <Flannel> Huh.  Yesterday that link was broken
[19:12] <Flannel> but, it pointed somewhere else.
[19:12] <pep> that's good
[19:12] <Flannel> Maybe it was a different link on the same site
[19:12] <pep> our work will be to centralize everything for start..
[19:14] <Flannel> well, when meatballhat gets back to me, it will take a lot of the guesswork out of it
[19:15] <pep> yes
[19:15] <pep> and jenda
[19:15] <pep> because he was the driver of all these nice projects... :)
[19:15] <pep> and he might be able to assign the project to our team also... as well as merge the DIY team with the new SU one...
[19:20] <pep> Flannel: hubuntu is currently busy, he will be back in a couple of hours and will catch up on our discussion...
[19:21] <pep> gotta get some work done too, I'm staying on IRC though...
[22:09] <hubuntu> pep, Flannel are you there?
[22:13] <pep> yes hubuntu
[22:13] <pep> still
[22:13] <hubuntu> I just read the conversation and found it very interesting
[22:13] <hubuntu> but I believe the SU site can live up to fit both the DIY role and the SU role
[22:14] <pep> yes, sure
[22:14] <hubuntu> and yes, the wiki page for the DIYwebsite is a well thought framework
[22:15] <hubuntu> but emphasizes too much in a given economic side which I don't think we should make part of our project
[22:15] <hubuntu> we should make a proffesional DIY site and campaign site for Ubuntu people
[22:16] <hubuntu> as well as a connection place for Ubuntu enthusiast through a map or something fun like that (GoogleEarth or whatever...)
[22:16] <pep> I think it is well explained here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu#head-5365ba41832b939727a171a7fa8745245dd5570b
[22:16] <pep> ;)
[22:17] <hubuntu> ;)
[22:17] <pep> A connection place?.... mhh....
[22:17] <hubuntu> well to have a map which is fun (and easy) adding yourself to
[22:18] <hubuntu> We do not want to create ubuntufacebook r anything like that
[22:18] <hubuntu> just a place to "see" where people in your area are/might be
[22:19] <pep> yes... I'm wondering if this is of much benefit to SU goals... it is in all cases a good idea, worthwile not being left aside... 
[22:20] <pep> maybe make this a part of the site... but it's not a priority I think...
[22:20] <hubuntu> of course
[22:21] <hubuntu> the priority ios the DIY material compilation organized in laguage/country
[22:22] <hubuntu> and get up the site showing it is feasible
[22:23] <hubuntu> next step will be, of course, to connect loco marketing people into the SU frequency and get the circle working
[22:23] <pep> yes, when on uploading material of any kind, you specify directly: 1. of which type it is (we'll have to think of several categories) + 2. creation language + 3. submitting country (or locoteam? think of us....) + 4. for which purpose it was made (conference, campain, ... maybe think of some good categories too here...)
[22:24] <pep> we have to make SU be able to add these "tags" to every uploaded material, and then allow the user to sort by "whatever tag he wants" ...
[22:24] <hubuntu> and other enthusiasts not necessarily related to any specific LoCo
[22:24] <pep> so that you can find material specific to certain events, as well as only in certain language, or only of certain type (poweropint presentation for example...)
[22:24] <hubuntu> we need to think this through
[22:24] <pep> yes
[22:25] <hubuntu> a framework is vitable before implementing
[22:25] <pep> I am very fond of this dynamic submitting and sorting system, it wil benefit the uploaders and the downloaders..
[22:25] <hubuntu> I believe in plans and thought before action
[22:25] <pep> yes ;)
[22:25] <pep> me too!!
[22:25] <hubuntu> *vitale
[22:26] <hubuntu> *vital
[22:26] <pep> and that is why it frustrates me alot that I have to do a lot of studying :/
[22:26] <pep> and can't contribute much time till another 9 days or so..
[22:26] <hubuntu> I know
[22:26] <hubuntu> I was there last week
[22:26] <hubuntu> I am finished now.. I will work till the end of june, but still I will have lots of time to work with this
[22:27] <hubuntu> pep, just make sure your exams go well  man ;)
[22:27] <pep> hehe yes, I willgo to bed soon for this^^
[22:27] <pep> I made myself a big wallpaper "linux != exams"
[22:28] <pep> ah, anyway, I am happy with the way things are going right now, we are on the good track and I don't think we'll let the project die out, a lot has already been done and we are going to finish it.
[22:29] <hubuntu> indeed... I added french to our mailing list languages ;)
[22:30] <pep> hehe, fine... I have everything ubuntu rlated in english anyway ;)
[22:31] <hubuntu> so do I (almost, I am the contact for a Spanish speaking LoCo)
[22:33] <pep> talking about that...
[22:33] <pep> is the ubuntu-es-locos mailing list very low traffic or is it not normal that I haven't received a single email yet?
[22:35] <hubuntu> you will.. we have been working on that project since last year, till now the list is new, but meisok and I will be presenting new things to the list in order to get the project going
[22:35] <hubuntu> among others we want the Spanish LoCo teams to be an important part of SpreadUbuntu from early on
[22:36] <pep> ok, don't forget to talk about that to the others once the SU ML is up and running too.. ;)
[22:38] <hubuntu> of course
[22:38] <hubuntu> but I want things to happen first, then talk... If 20+ people join us, I won't have to tell anybody about it
[22:39] <pep> yes
[22:39] <hubuntu> this is just part of the ubuntu-es-locos
[22:39] <hubuntu> cooperation project anyway
[23:11] <hubuntu> one simple question for everyone here right now...
[23:11] <hubuntu> If we are to use a platform to build SpreadUbuntu we want to make it simple and still viable.
[23:11] <hubuntu> would you vote for Drupal or not?
[23:12] <hubuntu> +1 if you do, if you don't say why
[23:12] <hubuntu> beuno, boredandblogging cody-somerville cropalat Daviey elkbuntu` Flannel jackster jalrnc jbotscharow jenda johnc4510 m-c jpds juliux MenZa Mike_Feravolo peanutb peanutb popey PriceChild tonyyarusso yama` 
[23:13] <hubuntu> ?
[23:13] <MenZa> Don't do that.
[23:14] <popey> hubuntu: please dont do that
[23:15] <hubuntu> ok, sorry
[23:15] <boredandblogging> hubuntu: there is code for SU, why not just go with that for now?
[23:17] <hubuntu> wordpress is not what the people who is interested in the project wants to work with (because of differnet shortcomings)
[23:18] <pep> I think drupal gives us much more freedom in what the project is aiming to now (that is including the DIYWebsite and DIYMarketing ...)
[23:18] <boredandblogging> hubuntu: SpreadUbuntu is in WordPress?
[23:18] <pep> it allows us to implement much more functions
[23:19] <pep> boredandblogging: well, there is already code for it in wo, yes.... but I doubt it is very difficult to port to drupal...
[23:19] <pep> wp*
[23:19] <hubuntu> the code for now seems to be in WP, yes
[23:19] <boredandblogging> hubuntu: you have a link to the code?
[23:19] <pep> yes, but I wouldn't let that force us to use wordpress...
[23:19] <pep> https://code.launchpad.net/~meatballhat/ubuntu-diy-marketing/diy-wp
[23:19] <pep> it has been abandoned
[23:19] <hubuntu> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~meatballhat/ubuntu-diy-marketing/diy-wp/changes
[23:20] <hubuntu> sorry...
[23:23] <boredandblogging> wait, I think I got confused, the DIYMarketing stuff was custom code
[23:24] <boredandblogging> i have no issue with drupal
[23:24] <popey> drupal is a supported app by canonical, which is helpful
[23:24] <popey> however any code (if hosted on a canonical server) will need auditing
[23:26] <popey> (whatever platform it's on)
[23:27] <hubuntu> auditing meaning what?
[23:29] <boredandblogging> any extra modules
[23:29] <boredandblogging> any custom code changes
[23:29] <boredandblogging> outside of theh default drupal install
[23:32] <hubuntu> ok, like adding OpenID support would need auditing boredandblogging ?
[23:41] <Mike_Feravolo> drupal is fine with me, wouldn't any audit/logging just be handled by apache ?
[23:58] <boredandblogging> hubuntu: yes, it would
[23:58] <boredandblogging> Mike_Feravolo: we aren't talking about auditing the code
[23:59] <boredandblogging> sorry, we ARE talking about auditing the code
[23:59] <hubuntu> that would be fine woith us.. we will have our site and material code in launchpad anyway
[23:59] <hubuntu> pulling the code to the site once in a while