/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/06/15/#ubuntu-ops.txt

jribjussi01: me too00:36
MonobiHi00:45
MonobiAre the floodbots open source?00:45
Seeker`I don't think they are00:46
MonobiOk00:46
Seeker`is there anything else we can help you with?00:47
MonobiNope :-)00:47
Seeker`!idle | Monobi00:48
ubottuMonobi: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.00:48
MonobiOk00:48
Seeker`thanks00:48
ubottuflaccid called the ops in #kubuntu-offtopic ()02:43
gnomefreakis anyone here?02:54
vorianfiesty ones those :)02:54
gnomefreakplease someone that is gonna be here watch flaccid in #kubuntu-offtopic if he comes back him and Minataku cant seem to play nicely02:56
gnomefreakim gone for the night im getting tired.02:56
ubottuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, MenZa said: !drunk is <reply> Remember kids; don't IRC and drink!03:32
ubottuIn #ubuntu, HardDisk said: !Arabic is For the Arabic language join #ubuntu-eg (Egypt) or #ubuntu-sa (Saudi Arabia) للغة العربية رجاء انظم إلى03:46
naliothi think that factoid needs modifying03:50
HardDisknalioth, please read your pm04:00
HardDisksorry didn't see you there when you pm'd me04:01
naliothhi04:03
HardDiskhello :)04:03
naliothi think that factoid might irritate some Arabic speaking countries04:03
HardDiskwell if they're annoyed it can be changed later04:03
HardDiskso far in all my time I haven't met any arabic speakers in #ubuntu04:04
HardDiskthe #Eglug which is considered the largest community for linux in the region we have a small number.04:04
HardDiskunfortunately linux communities aren't the same considered the same elsewhere04:05
HardDisk-same04:05
HardDiskmore like social gatherings of geeks who use linux, more than actual loco meetings, events and such04:05
HardDiskbut that's another talk, I must sleep it's 6am :) goodnight.04:06
ubottustdin called the ops in #ubuntu (stintage)07:43
ubottuStarnestommy called the ops in #ubuntu (stintage)07:44
ubottuunavailable called the ops in #ubuntu (stintage)07:45
Hobbseehmmm.  talk about lag.08:01
Myrttigood morning08:22
jussi01morning all08:36
jussi01nalioth: or PriceChild pm me when you are available :)08:36
* Myrtti hums08:39
elkbuntuoh joy, baron has started on novell fud.10:06
* jussi01 hugs elkbuntu10:07
* elkbuntu hugs the aussie10:07
jussi01:)10:07
jussi01elkbuntu: I still didnt get onto nal or pricey :/10:08
elkbuntunice one ompaul10:24
ompaulelkbuntu, watch #u he may decide to rant there10:43
ompaulhe is in #suse and ##win also10:44
ompaulI just did some thinking11:16
ompaulPici, can you ping me when you get in ;-)11:16
elkbuntuompaul, how many times have i told you to not do that? :Þ11:20
Myrttiwhut, thinking?11:34
* Myrtti has a blank stare11:34
Myrttihello TheSheep12:03
TheSheephi Myrtti12:10
TheSheephello everyone :)12:11
jpdshey TheSheep12:11
* Myrtti kicks her irssi12:13
Myrttihilight, damnit12:13
* Dave2 hands Myrtti a "/hilight Myrtti"12:14
Myrttiyay.12:14
Myrttiworks.12:14
Myrtti>___<12:14
Nafallolol12:14
Myrttiwhen have I been idiotic enough to take that off12:15
Myrttioh, right.12:15
Dave2Myrtti, it only highlights on the first word or something by default12:15
Dave2I forget exactly what because I got annoyed and fixed it in my config in 2005 or 2006 or something12:15
* Myrtti kicks skype to the groin for being an idiotic piece of software13:00
Myrttior should I be kicking pulseaudio?13:00
* Myrtti can't decide13:01
MyrttiPOS.13:02
MyrttiHello welcome to skype calling testing service...13:03
Myrtti"DIE and burn in hell"13:03
TheSheepMyrtti: pulseaudio you can at least patch :)13:03
* Myrtti gives up13:04
Myrttiwhy is it that I always make the mistake of assuming that we live in the 21st century?13:25
TheSheepMyrtti: it's the dates, they are misleading13:26
ubottursk called the ops in #ubuntu (LOLER)13:28
* Myrtti rolls her eyes13:29
Myrttimust be the dates then13:29
* Hobbsee pokes jussi0113:54
jussi01oi!13:54
* jussi01 pokes Hobbsee back13:54
Hobbsee\o/13:55
emmaHi. I just wanted to clarify whether I am welcome in #kubuntu-devel or not. There is no clear criterion why or which channels I am ever banned in so I did not want to make some kind of mistake.14:08
* Hobbsee ponders that.14:10
* jussi01 leaves the question to one of the council members14:11
Hobbseejussi01: that should be my &/or riddell's call, I think - which will make it mine.14:12
Hobbseejussi01: council doesn't usually step in in devel-land.14:12
stdinI would think that if you have a reason for being in there (eg a devel question or are helping in development) then it would be fine IMO14:14
emmaI wasn't banned there so I entered. I don't think it should be Hobbsee's decision, personally.14:14
stdinbut I'm not really in a position to "give" any permission there14:14
Hobbseeemma: either that, or you get banned, and i pass a summary about you to riddell, so he can decide about unbanning when he gets there.  *shrug*14:15
Hobbseeyour call.14:15
emmaIs there any possibility that I could just get a simple answer to the question I came in here for? Without any games or treating people like they are children?14:18
Hobbseei said above that i was thinking about it.14:19
Hobbseeyou had your simple answer.14:19
Hobbsee[23:10] * Hobbsee ponders that.14:19
* Hobbsee is still thinking, apart from providing help elsewhere, as you can see.14:19
Piciompaul: ping14:26
Picirather, pong14:26
ompaulPici, hehe back in a sec14:26
emmaOkay please note the time stamp when I came in here and the time stamp now. I thought that I was doing the right thing by coming here to get clarification. It distrubs me that something like "am I banned or not" is not more clear cut than this. I would like to think that if a person is banned then the people in charge of that have good reasons and a clear idea of where. Making things up as you go is not good practice and it has gone on quite a while.14:27
Hobbseeemma: my thinking is this.  if you follow the rules, you may stay.  If you start to argue in there, or say stuff that is not on topic (ie, is not contributing to kubuntu development), either before or during the sessions, then your access is likely to be revoked.14:27
Hobbseeokay.  then the channel ban is enforced.  sorry.14:28
Hobbseethere's clear cut for you.  Sorry it didn't work the way you wanted it to.14:28
Hobbseethere will be logs of it after the event, which you're welcome to read.14:28
emmaYes. Thank you.14:30
* Hobbsee makes a note to hand a clear cut "no" in all developerland channels next time, rather than thinking about if she should be allowed to watch.14:35
Hobbseeguess it's easier that way.14:35
ompaulPici, pm15:06
PriceChildI'm thinking we should remove some bans on emma soonish, pity its so hard to get me elkbuntu nalioth and LjL in the same place at the same time15:19
Hobbseeyes, she seems to be OK in channels that have a clear, set, topic - ie, support channels.15:22
Hobbseehowever, she's still rather inclined to think that everything revolves around her, at least, in terms of the ops, so i'm hesitant to act in devel-land, where there are fewer people, and she's more likely to get in the way by making offtopic comments.15:24
ompaulHobbsee, and devs will come up short in telling any person where to get off?15:24
ompaulHobbsee, now I am surprised ;-)15:25
Hobbseeas in, the want of "i want this solved.  now" won't work terribly well in developerland, as people are working on multiple things at the same time.15:25
Hobbseeompaul: depends.15:25
PriceChildFrom what I've seen I think she's annoyed at being barred from contributing, rather than wanting to moan at devs about bugs.15:26
Hobbseeyet she still won't have patience, when she sees that people are doing things other than dealign with her.15:26
Hobbseeand so will then be a pain in the neck, until she gets a decision on whatever she's asked.15:26
ompaulHobbsee, if a person gets in the way they will be told to shut up do not think?15:27
Hobbseewith the additional people in userland, she's more likely to get a quick answer.15:27
ompauldevs don't do support and you and I both know that15:27
Hobbseeompaul: it doesn't stop the users from aksing, or making inane comments.15:27
ompaulHobbsee, and they get asked to shut up and they get banned for these reasons15:28
ompaulHobbsee, a dev channel may be slow to act but is always bloody when it does15:28
Hobbseeompaul: then i see no reason to unban her, based on the fact that she's still making those comments.  *shrug*15:28
Hobbseethat was my entire point, really :)15:28
ompauloff with their heads cried the queen of hearts15:28
* Hobbsee eyes #kubuntu15:29
Hobbseeat least eagles is correcting his wrong information.  if only he didn't give it in the first place.  and stopped using 'u'15:31
ompaulI want to do a test flood in #ubuntu16:02
ompaulor wait until someone else floods16:02
MyrttiI know already what happens16:02
ompaulahh16:02
Myrttione of the bots takes the mute off after a period of time16:03
ompaulok16:03
Myrttinote: none of the bots mutes16:03
stdinompaul: they are still in emergency mode16:03
ompaulas I said I would like to be able to issue a command in one channel (TBA) and they would all part and rejoin16:04
naliothPriceChild: if you need a vote, just ping and ask.  we don't all have to answer at the same exact time, you know ( the channel is logged )16:04
naliothi take it m e z hasn't shown up16:05
naliothlet's see if that fixes things16:08
naliothok, that didn't work16:11
naliothnext suggestion?16:11
naliothanyone have a phone number for m e z ?16:12
ompaultry google and his lp page?16:13
Myrttiit's on his facebook page16:13
PriceChildnalioth: I'm thinking basically any of the channels we run apart from -offtopic?16:14
naliothi wonder if we ban floodbot4 from all the channels . . .16:15
naliothPriceChild: all of the -offtopics, perhaps?16:16
Myrttidid you get the number already?16:16
naliothaccording to his blog, he's in Amsterdam16:17
naliothMyrtti: we have not16:18
PriceChildI'm happy with that.16:18
Myrttiwith what?16:18
PriceChildMyrtti: what nalioth suggested.16:18
PriceChildelkbuntu: unban emma everywhere but the -offtopics?16:19
HobbseePriceChild: veto re -motu, anything ending in -devel, -bugs, and anywhere else that classifies as developerland.16:20
Hobbseefor the reasons stated above.16:20
PriceChildHobbsee: we don't run those directly16:21
HobbseePriceChild: excellent.16:22
HobbseePriceChild: i figured it was worth making sure.16:22
PriceChildHobbsee: but if you go mad and do something silly like use crackful kde we'll steal control off of you :P16:22
Hobbseeheh16:22
* Hobbsee does not use kde.16:23
* Hobbsee *will* take you to the CC if you steal her power, though16:23
PriceChildWell then you've nothing to wory about :D16:23
* PriceChild sighs16:23
Hobbseeie, abuse of power.16:23
PriceChildI think it goes without saying that if someone in a position of power 'goes bad', the people above them will be approached.16:24
MezLjL, ping16:25
* Hobbsee is just warning that she does count such a thing as an abuse of power, if you remove her channel op priviledges from those channels that she has not specifically resigned from.16:26
MezPriceChild, when I say, can you kill all remaining Floodbots please?16:27
Mezor nalioth16:27
naliothMez: hi!  Can you restart or remove your floodbot?16:27
Mezwhy is there 4 running?16:27
PriceChildHobbsee: relax16:27
naliothMez: your bot disappeared a few days ago16:28
naliothone was put in its place and it decided to come back16:28
* Myrtti hides16:28
Mezerm... didnt i do that cause Ljls bot died16:28
naliothnot sure16:29
Mezyay16:29
Mezthats gonna cause issues16:29
HobbseePriceChild: i will, eventually.  Clearly, I have less confidence in the irc council after the bullying incidents.16:30
naliothmez,you can shut yours down, if you wish.  we found a couple of 99% uptime servers to host 2 of 'em on16:30
Hobbsee(and there's no guarentee that the same woudln't happen to me, if you decided to turn your attention in other directions.  *shrug*)16:30
Meznalioth, considering none of mine have gone down to my knowledge16:31
* Myrtti gives everyone a lollipop and goes back to hiding16:31
naliothMez: if that were so, how did yours get the number 4?16:32
naliothlogic16:32
Meznaliotj16:32
Mezlook at the logs16:32
Mez* FloodBot4 has quit (Killed by nalioth (Administrative kill))16:32
naliothyes, i was hoping it would return as floodbot316:33
Mezit would have had there not been a #3 there at the time16:33
MezI dont have logs before that16:33
naliothMez: look at hte logs16:33
naliothfloodbot3 was gone for 24h+16:33
Mezbut you say you ran two16:33
naliothi removed 3 when 4 returned and the they all went into emergency mode16:34
Mezwhatever - I've killed the bot. Don't bother asking me for help with them again - it wont be given16:34
naliothobviously non-contingent bot numbers cause excitement among them16:34
Mezespescially if you dont know how to manage them16:34
naliothMez: do you have logs of this channel? we've been dropping your name here on this for days16:34
* Hobbsee picks the dummy up off the floor, and puts it in the bin.16:35
Hobbseedispense of your rubbish properly, guys?16:35
Hobbsee[01:35] <eagles0513875> open suse 10.3 has kde 3.5.7 which looks like kde416:36
Hobbsee[01:35] <Hobbsee> ...[01:36] <Hobbsee> it so doesn't.16:36
Meznalioth, i havent seen any. Ive been around in here in fact and talked and noones asked for me16:36
Hobbseeheads up on eagles - he's getting more and more crackful with his information16:36
Mezwhat was i wanted for?16:36
* Myrtti bought pink hello kitty bandaids today, gives to everyone16:36
naliothMez: to restart your bot16:36
TheSheepMyrtti: evil16:36
Myrttimeaow16:37
Meznalioth, so noones actually asked me when I have been here? noones thought of emailing me?16:37
Myrttimeaow ...16:37
naliothMez: i've not seen you here in days, i've been watching for you16:37
Mezi'm not that hard to get a hold of as has just been proven by someone waking me up to come have a looksie16:37
* Hobbsee pets Myrtti16:38
Mez!logs16:38
ubottuOfficial channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/16:38
PriceChildaren't you at a conference atm?16:39
PriceChilddo you not check back on hilights with your persistent connection?16:40
* Hobbsee thought the spaces between the letters were deliberately to stop the highlights?16:40
Mez2 pings yesterday when I was on the flight home...16:41
Mezthats it16:41
Mezand neither from you nalioth16:41
MezFor future reference - if im not around - i'd rather that someone emailed me if its important16:42
MezIm not hard to get  a hold of16:42
Mezoh, i see16:44
Mezadded spaces so as to not ping me16:44
* Mez shrugs16:44
PriceChildthere were already pings before that..16:44
Mez2 pings16:44
Mezyesterday16:45
Mezwhile i was flying home16:45
PriceChildyep, neither acted on, not sure why you want more?16:45
Mezbecause i was here this time?16:45
MezIf I have a lot of pings, I just clear the backlog - if its important people will email me or ping me again16:46
PriceChildFirst thing I do when reconnecting my screen, is read all the hilights I missed in my main window.16:46
PriceChildI think its a little odd that you request we persistently ping you, as though it will make any difference until  you return? (At which point you could be catching up on the previous pings, and any further activity is likely to detract from them)16:47
Mezmine doesnt work like that16:47
PriceChildCould I suggest you set something up to emulate it?16:47
* Hobbsee suggests using email.16:47
MezPriceChild, no - a highlight when im around is a highlight16:47
* Hobbsee has seen PriceChild not read slabs of channel logs, and acting anyway.16:47
HobbseeMez: are you waving a flag when you're around all the time?16:49
PriceChildMez: As a compromise, could you set up /msg nickserv help set emailmemos"16:49
MezHobbsee, no - however, if I'm away for extended period of times - I suffix my name16:49
MezPriceChild, done16:50
PriceChildHobbsee: bring those situations to my attention, or the other people around and we can fix them. I would suggest that masses channel logs are slightly different than a hilight log, although yes, not reading them can cause problems.16:50
PriceChildMez: thanks :)16:51
Mezthough - what Ill be needed for now that floodbots are no longer on my servers - I dont know16:51
HobbseePriceChild: either way, if he's got 20 highlights during a plane trip home, whether he responds to ones from here or not, in an urgent manner, is by no means certain.16:51
Hobbseeparticularly as !ops is usually what is triggered here.16:51
Piciwho what where?!16:52
PriceChildMez: I know you bring other things to the team than hosting for the floodbots.16:52
Mezand the reason I generally clear a huge highlight log is because of masses of !o ps calls16:52
PriceChildthat other is out of place...16:52
HobbseeMez: selectively ignore it?16:52
MezHobbsee, my client doesnt have that option16:52
PriceChildHobbsee: and?16:53
Mezand I dont know the xchat scripting interface enough16:53
HobbseePriceChild: so, if you want things answered quickly, find a more appropriate medium.16:55
HobbseeMez: ah16:55
Mezplus - as my pinglog actually puts them in the channels they came from...16:56
Mezi cant selectively ignore them without ignorning them when connected16:56
PriceChildHobbsee: what would you suggest as an appropriate medium?17:00
PriceChildpageers?17:01
PriceChildgah, pagers?17:01
HobbseePriceChild: email, mobile.  irc never makes a good todo list.17:01
Hobbseepagers are good.17:01
PriceChildemail suffers from the same problem17:01
Hobbseeemail has subject lines - or at least, most do.17:01
PriceChildWe all get a lot of email.17:02
Hobbseemore filterable than irc, too17:02
Hobbseebut yes17:02
Hobbseeobviously, mobile is the best way to go for urgent things17:02
MezHobbsee, indeed, I was actually bought to this channel cause an SMS regarding it woke me up17:03
MezI was over in less than 20 secs.17:03
Mezat which point the first thing  I did was a "status" in -ops-monitor17:04
Mezemail, I could have gotten quite quickly, though it wouldnt have woke me up, I would have had the email and acted on it by now if it had been sent at the time the pings were sent17:04
Mezin fact17:04
* Mez goes and sets up email to SMS17:05
ompaulMez, is sms a bad medium for you/17:05
ompaul?17:05
Mezompaul, no, its a good medium for things that are important17:05
ompaulMez, then we will just look you up and give you an sms :)17:06
Mezompaul, fine by me - It's how i got here today17:06
Mezbut I'm about to setup mez+sms@ubuntu.co17:06
Mezm17:06
ompaulMez, a little advice from a jaded and cynical IT manager keep your email away from your phone :)17:06
Mezompaul, yeah, it will be filtered nicely17:07
Mezompaul, though - I might be moving to another company soon that'll require me to have email on my phone (and they'll be providing the phone!)17:07
ompaulMez, keep your own phone independent of them ;-) trust me on this17:08
ompaulnice to have backup17:08
ompaul:)17:08
Mezompaul, i will dont worry17:08
* Mez yawns17:09
ompaulbreak time ;-)17:09
ompaulback later17:09
* Myrtti gives Mez a cup of strong Earl Gray17:09
Mezwell, if people need me, they can quite easily get my Phone number17:09
Mezhmm17:10
Myrttimilk, sugar, lemon, dear?17:10
MezI should fix the old numbers instead of relying on forwards17:10
MezMyrtti, am ok17:10
Mezam looking at the vodka atm17:10
Myrtti:-D17:11
Myrttinote, I just banned d83-184-191-144.cust.tele2.it because it sent a soliciting pm to one of the floodbots.17:18
Myrttior, pierluca did17:18
Myrttimerh. my hand hurts17:20
eth01who's paul bartell? :)18:36
Picieh?18:36
eth01paul-bartell@ubuntu.com18:36
PiciI can tell you who isnt Paul Bartell18:36
eth01it's somebody with an association to ubuntu18:36
Picihttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaulBartell18:37
eth01peanutb heh18:38
mc44eth01: why are you asking?18:42
eth01mc44: nothing.18:42
eth01why, do you know him?18:42
naliothcan we help you with something, eth01 ?18:49
eth01no18:49
=== stevie is now known as vorian
ompauljcastro, you about?20:15
ompaulI will take that as a no!20:31
ompaul;-)20:31
Myrttilol20:31
* jpds wonders what eth01 wanted with peanutb21:08
jpdswb juliux21:09
juliuxthxs jpds21:09
PriceChildMez: "victim"?21:15
PriceChildOk I'm confused about what happenned earlier :/21:18
=== Pricey is now known as PriceChild
sudobashlordleemo is still spamming users on #ubuntu22:35
ompaulI see no evidence of that unless it is in pm22:36
sajesompaul: I joined #ubuntu to find out and I didn't get a message, so either it's at random or not at all :\22:37
jussi01Ididnt get one on join either22:38
PriceChildgot information in pm22:38
PriceChildwill try and deal with it22:38
jussi01we have a lot of unvoiced people in here atm, who are all these people?22:41
sajesjussi01: I'm just an enthusiast that likes watching ops talk :D22:41
jussi01!idle | sajes22:41
ubottusajes: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.22:41
jussi01sudobash: can we help you?22:53
PriceChildsudobash: new nick?22:54
nickrud Jun 15 13:53:17 <lordleemo>sudobash: your lame  go and flood your little windows friends , so there's something going on22:54
nickrudtiming, wasn't just waiting for someone to drop in :)22:54
sudobashsay what? nickrud if i open notepad i can make you say anything i want you to say22:54
sudobashso lordleemo is saying i said that?22:55
nickrudsudobash no, I saw nothing from you, just lordleemo. That's from the logs22:55
sudobashwell is there an ubuntu users cloak?22:55
ompaul!cloak22:56
ubottuMany Ubuntu IRC channels prohibit access from !proxies such as !TOR due to a high level of abuse. You can however obtain a hostmask cloak: see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks22:56
ompaulsudobash, we know about the spamming22:56
nickrudsudobash you can also put him on /ignore22:56
* ompaul goes away 22:57
ompaulnight all22:57
nickrudnight22:57
sudobashthanks...22:57
elky_workHardDisk: can we help?23:31

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