[00:36] <jrib> jussi01: me too
[00:45] <Monobi> Hi
[00:45] <Monobi> Are the floodbots open source?
[00:46] <Seeker`> I don't think they are
[00:46] <Monobi> Ok
[00:47] <Seeker`> is there anything else we can help you with?
[00:47] <Monobi> Nope :-)
[00:48] <Seeker`> !idle | Monobi
[00:48] <Monobi> Ok
[00:48] <Seeker`> thanks
[02:54] <gnomefreak> is anyone here?
[02:54] <vorian> fiesty ones those :)
[02:56] <gnomefreak> please someone that is gonna be here watch flaccid in #kubuntu-offtopic if he comes back him and Minataku cant seem to play nicely
[02:56] <gnomefreak> im gone for the night im getting tired.
[03:50] <nalioth> i think that factoid needs modifying
[04:00] <HardDisk> nalioth, please read your pm
[04:01] <HardDisk> sorry didn't see you there when you pm'd me
[04:03] <nalioth> hi
[04:03] <HardDisk> hello :)
[04:03] <nalioth> i think that factoid might irritate some Arabic speaking countries
[04:03] <HardDisk> well if they're annoyed it can be changed later
[04:04] <HardDisk> so far in all my time I haven't met any arabic speakers in #ubuntu
[04:04] <HardDisk> the #Eglug which is considered the largest community for linux in the region we have a small number.
[04:05] <HardDisk> unfortunately linux communities aren't the same considered the same elsewhere
[04:05] <HardDisk> -same
[04:05] <HardDisk> more like social gatherings of geeks who use linux, more than actual loco meetings, events and such
[04:06] <HardDisk> but that's another talk, I must sleep it's 6am :) goodnight.
[08:01] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  talk about lag.
[08:22] <Myrtti> good morning
[08:36] <jussi01> morning all
[08:36] <jussi01> nalioth: or PriceChild pm me when you are available :)
[08:39]  * Myrtti hums
[10:06] <elkbuntu> oh joy, baron has started on novell fud.
[10:07]  * jussi01 hugs elkbuntu
[10:07]  * elkbuntu hugs the aussie
[10:07] <jussi01> :)
[10:08] <jussi01> elkbuntu: I still didnt get onto nal or pricey :/
[10:24] <elkbuntu> nice one ompaul
[10:43] <ompaul> elkbuntu, watch #u he may decide to rant there
[10:44] <ompaul> he is in #suse and ##win also
[11:16] <ompaul> I just did some thinking
[11:16] <ompaul> Pici, can you ping me when you get in ;-)
[11:20] <elkbuntu> ompaul, how many times have i told you to not do that? :Þ
[11:34] <Myrtti> whut, thinking?
[11:34]  * Myrtti has a blank stare
[12:03] <Myrtti> hello TheSheep
[12:10] <TheSheep> hi Myrtti
[12:11] <TheSheep> hello everyone :)
[12:11] <jpds> hey TheSheep
[12:13]  * Myrtti kicks her irssi
[12:13] <Myrtti> hilight, damnit
[12:14]  * Dave2 hands Myrtti a "/hilight Myrtti"
[12:14] <Myrtti> yay.
[12:14] <Myrtti> works.
[12:14] <Myrtti> >___<
[12:14] <Nafallo> lol
[12:15] <Myrtti> when have I been idiotic enough to take that off
[12:15] <Myrtti> oh, right.
[12:15] <Dave2> Myrtti, it only highlights on the first word or something by default
[12:15] <Dave2> I forget exactly what because I got annoyed and fixed it in my config in 2005 or 2006 or something
[13:00]  * Myrtti kicks skype to the groin for being an idiotic piece of software
[13:00] <Myrtti> or should I be kicking pulseaudio?
[13:01]  * Myrtti can't decide
[13:02] <Myrtti> POS.
[13:03] <Myrtti> Hello welcome to skype calling testing service...
[13:03] <Myrtti> "DIE and burn in hell"
[13:03] <TheSheep> Myrtti: pulseaudio you can at least patch :)
[13:04]  * Myrtti gives up
[13:25] <Myrtti> why is it that I always make the mistake of assuming that we live in the 21st century?
[13:26] <TheSheep> Myrtti: it's the dates, they are misleading
[13:29]  * Myrtti rolls her eyes
[13:29] <Myrtti> must be the dates then
[13:54]  * Hobbsee pokes jussi01
[13:54] <jussi01> oi!
[13:54]  * jussi01 pokes Hobbsee back
[13:55] <Hobbsee> \o/
[14:08] <emma> Hi. I just wanted to clarify whether I am welcome in #kubuntu-devel or not. There is no clear criterion why or which channels I am ever banned in so I did not want to make some kind of mistake.
[14:10]  * Hobbsee ponders that.
[14:11]  * jussi01 leaves the question to one of the council members
[14:12] <Hobbsee> jussi01: that should be my &/or riddell's call, I think - which will make it mine.
[14:12] <Hobbsee> jussi01: council doesn't usually step in in devel-land.
[14:14] <stdin> I would think that if you have a reason for being in there (eg a devel question or are helping in development) then it would be fine IMO
[14:14] <emma> I wasn't banned there so I entered. I don't think it should be Hobbsee's decision, personally.
[14:14] <stdin> but I'm not really in a position to "give" any permission there
[14:15] <Hobbsee> emma: either that, or you get banned, and i pass a summary about you to riddell, so he can decide about unbanning when he gets there.  *shrug*
[14:15] <Hobbsee> your call.
[14:18] <emma> Is there any possibility that I could just get a simple answer to the question I came in here for? Without any games or treating people like they are children?
[14:19] <Hobbsee> i said above that i was thinking about it.
[14:19] <Hobbsee> you had your simple answer.
[14:19] <Hobbsee> [23:10] * Hobbsee ponders that.
[14:19]  * Hobbsee is still thinking, apart from providing help elsewhere, as you can see.
[14:26] <Pici> ompaul: ping
[14:26] <Pici> rather, pong
[14:26] <ompaul> Pici, hehe back in a sec
[14:27] <emma> Okay please note the time stamp when I came in here and the time stamp now. I thought that I was doing the right thing by coming here to get clarification. It distrubs me that something like "am I banned or not" is not more clear cut than this. I would like to think that if a person is banned then the people in charge of that have good reasons and a clear idea of where. Making things up as you go is not good practice and it has gone on quite a while.
[14:27] <Hobbsee> emma: my thinking is this.  if you follow the rules, you may stay.  If you start to argue in there, or say stuff that is not on topic (ie, is not contributing to kubuntu development), either before or during the sessions, then your access is likely to be revoked.
[14:28] <Hobbsee> okay.  then the channel ban is enforced.  sorry.
[14:28] <Hobbsee> there's clear cut for you.  Sorry it didn't work the way you wanted it to.
[14:28] <Hobbsee> there will be logs of it after the event, which you're welcome to read.
[14:30] <emma> Yes. Thank you.
[14:35]  * Hobbsee makes a note to hand a clear cut "no" in all developerland channels next time, rather than thinking about if she should be allowed to watch.
[14:35] <Hobbsee> guess it's easier that way.
[15:06] <ompaul> Pici, pm
[15:19] <PriceChild> I'm thinking we should remove some bans on emma soonish, pity its so hard to get me elkbuntu nalioth and LjL in the same place at the same time
[15:22] <Hobbsee> yes, she seems to be OK in channels that have a clear, set, topic - ie, support channels.
[15:24] <Hobbsee> however, she's still rather inclined to think that everything revolves around her, at least, in terms of the ops, so i'm hesitant to act in devel-land, where there are fewer people, and she's more likely to get in the way by making offtopic comments.
[15:24] <ompaul> Hobbsee, and devs will come up short in telling any person where to get off?
[15:25] <ompaul> Hobbsee, now I am surprised ;-)
[15:25] <Hobbsee> as in, the want of "i want this solved.  now" won't work terribly well in developerland, as people are working on multiple things at the same time.
[15:25] <Hobbsee> ompaul: depends.
[15:26] <PriceChild> From what I've seen I think she's annoyed at being barred from contributing, rather than wanting to moan at devs about bugs.
[15:26] <Hobbsee> yet she still won't have patience, when she sees that people are doing things other than dealign with her.
[15:26] <Hobbsee> and so will then be a pain in the neck, until she gets a decision on whatever she's asked.
[15:27] <ompaul> Hobbsee, if a person gets in the way they will be told to shut up do not think?
[15:27] <Hobbsee> with the additional people in userland, she's more likely to get a quick answer.
[15:27] <ompaul> devs don't do support and you and I both know that
[15:27] <Hobbsee> ompaul: it doesn't stop the users from aksing, or making inane comments.
[15:28] <ompaul> Hobbsee, and they get asked to shut up and they get banned for these reasons
[15:28] <ompaul> Hobbsee, a dev channel may be slow to act but is always bloody when it does
[15:28] <Hobbsee> ompaul: then i see no reason to unban her, based on the fact that she's still making those comments.  *shrug*
[15:28] <Hobbsee> that was my entire point, really :)
[15:28] <ompaul> off with their heads cried the queen of hearts
[15:29]  * Hobbsee eyes #kubuntu
[15:31] <Hobbsee> at least eagles is correcting his wrong information.  if only he didn't give it in the first place.  and stopped using 'u'
[16:02] <ompaul> I want to do a test flood in #ubuntu
[16:02] <ompaul> or wait until someone else floods
[16:02] <Myrtti> I know already what happens
[16:02] <ompaul> ahh
[16:03] <Myrtti> one of the bots takes the mute off after a period of time
[16:03] <ompaul> ok
[16:03] <Myrtti> note: none of the bots mutes
[16:03] <stdin> ompaul: they are still in emergency mode
[16:04] <ompaul> as I said I would like to be able to issue a command in one channel (TBA) and they would all part and rejoin
[16:04] <nalioth> PriceChild: if you need a vote, just ping and ask.  we don't all have to answer at the same exact time, you know ( the channel is logged )
[16:05] <nalioth> i take it m e z hasn't shown up
[16:08] <nalioth> let's see if that fixes things
[16:11] <nalioth> ok, that didn't work
[16:11] <nalioth> next suggestion?
[16:12] <nalioth> anyone have a phone number for m e z ?
[16:13] <ompaul> try google and his lp page?
[16:13] <Myrtti> it's on his facebook page
[16:14] <PriceChild> nalioth: I'm thinking basically any of the channels we run apart from -offtopic?
[16:15] <nalioth> i wonder if we ban floodbot4 from all the channels . . .
[16:16] <nalioth> PriceChild: all of the -offtopics, perhaps?
[16:16] <Myrtti> did you get the number already?
[16:17] <nalioth> according to his blog, he's in Amsterdam
[16:18] <nalioth> Myrtti: we have not
[16:18] <PriceChild> I'm happy with that.
[16:18] <Myrtti> with what?
[16:18] <PriceChild> Myrtti: what nalioth suggested.
[16:19] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: unban emma everywhere but the -offtopics?
[16:20] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: veto re -motu, anything ending in -devel, -bugs, and anywhere else that classifies as developerland.
[16:20] <Hobbsee> for the reasons stated above.
[16:21] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: we don't run those directly
[16:22] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: excellent.
[16:22] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: i figured it was worth making sure.
[16:22] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: but if you go mad and do something silly like use crackful kde we'll steal control off of you :P
[16:22] <Hobbsee> heh
[16:23]  * Hobbsee does not use kde.
[16:23]  * Hobbsee *will* take you to the CC if you steal her power, though
[16:23] <PriceChild> Well then you've nothing to wory about :D
[16:23]  * PriceChild sighs
[16:23] <Hobbsee> ie, abuse of power.
[16:24] <PriceChild> I think it goes without saying that if someone in a position of power 'goes bad', the people above them will be approached.
[16:25] <Mez> LjL, ping
[16:26]  * Hobbsee is just warning that she does count such a thing as an abuse of power, if you remove her channel op priviledges from those channels that she has not specifically resigned from.
[16:27] <Mez> PriceChild, when I say, can you kill all remaining Floodbots please?
[16:27] <Mez> or nalioth
[16:27] <nalioth> Mez: hi!  Can you restart or remove your floodbot?
[16:27] <Mez> why is there 4 running?
[16:27] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: relax
[16:28] <nalioth> Mez: your bot disappeared a few days ago
[16:28] <nalioth> one was put in its place and it decided to come back
[16:28]  * Myrtti hides
[16:28] <Mez> erm... didnt i do that cause Ljls bot died
[16:29] <nalioth> not sure
[16:29] <Mez> yay
[16:29] <Mez> thats gonna cause issues
[16:30] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: i will, eventually.  Clearly, I have less confidence in the irc council after the bullying incidents.
[16:30] <nalioth> mez,you can shut yours down, if you wish.  we found a couple of 99% uptime servers to host 2 of 'em on
[16:30] <Hobbsee> (and there's no guarentee that the same woudln't happen to me, if you decided to turn your attention in other directions.  *shrug*)
[16:31] <Mez> nalioth, considering none of mine have gone down to my knowledge
[16:31]  * Myrtti gives everyone a lollipop and goes back to hiding
[16:32] <nalioth> Mez: if that were so, how did yours get the number 4?
[16:32] <nalioth> logic
[16:32] <Mez> naliotj
[16:32] <Mez> look at the logs
[16:32] <Mez> * FloodBot4 has quit (Killed by nalioth (Administrative kill))
[16:33] <nalioth> yes, i was hoping it would return as floodbot3
[16:33] <Mez> it would have had there not been a #3 there at the time
[16:33] <Mez> I dont have logs before that
[16:33] <nalioth> Mez: look at hte logs
[16:33] <nalioth> floodbot3 was gone for 24h+
[16:33] <Mez> but you say you ran two
[16:34] <nalioth> i removed 3 when 4 returned and the they all went into emergency mode
[16:34] <Mez> whatever - I've killed the bot. Don't bother asking me for help with them again - it wont be given
[16:34] <nalioth> obviously non-contingent bot numbers cause excitement among them
[16:34] <Mez> espescially if you dont know how to manage them
[16:34] <nalioth> Mez: do you have logs of this channel? we've been dropping your name here on this for days
[16:35]  * Hobbsee picks the dummy up off the floor, and puts it in the  bin.
[16:35] <Hobbsee> dispense of your rubbish properly, guys?
[16:36] <Hobbsee> [01:35] <eagles0513875> open suse 10.3 has kde 3.5.7 which looks like kde4
[16:36] <Hobbsee> [01:35] <Hobbsee> ...[01:36] <Hobbsee> it so doesn't.
[16:36] <Mez> nalioth, i havent seen any. Ive been around in here in fact and talked and noones asked for me
[16:36] <Hobbsee> heads up on eagles - he's getting more and more crackful with his information
[16:36] <Mez> what was i wanted for?
[16:36]  * Myrtti bought pink hello kitty bandaids today, gives to everyone
[16:36] <nalioth> Mez: to restart your bot
[16:36] <TheSheep> Myrtti: evil
[16:37] <Myrtti> meaow
[16:37] <Mez> nalioth, so noones actually asked me when I have been here? noones thought of emailing me?
[16:37] <Myrtti> meaow ...
[16:37] <nalioth> Mez: i've not seen you here in days, i've been watching for you
[16:37] <Mez> i'm not that hard to get a hold of as has just been proven by someone waking me up to come have a looksie
[16:38]  * Hobbsee pets Myrtti
[16:38] <Mez> !logs
[16:39] <PriceChild> aren't you at a conference atm?
[16:40] <PriceChild> do you not check back on hilights with your persistent connection?
[16:40]  * Hobbsee thought the spaces between the letters were deliberately to stop the highlights?
[16:41] <Mez> 2 pings yesterday when I was on the flight home...
[16:41] <Mez> thats it
[16:41] <Mez> and neither from you nalioth
[16:42] <Mez> For future reference - if im not around - i'd rather that someone emailed me if its important
[16:42] <Mez> Im not hard to get  a hold of
[16:44] <Mez> oh, i see
[16:44] <Mez> added spaces so as to not ping me
[16:44]  * Mez shrugs
[16:44] <PriceChild> there were already pings before that..
[16:44] <Mez> 2 pings
[16:45] <Mez> yesterday
[16:45] <Mez> while i was flying home
[16:45] <PriceChild> yep, neither acted on, not sure why you want more?
[16:45] <Mez> because i was here this time?
[16:46] <Mez> If I have a lot of pings, I just clear the backlog - if its important people will email me or ping me again
[16:46] <PriceChild> First thing I do when reconnecting my screen, is read all the hilights I missed in my main window.
[16:47] <PriceChild> I think its a little odd that you request we persistently ping you, as though it will make any difference until  you return? (At which point you could be catching up on the previous pings, and any further activity is likely to detract from them)
[16:47] <Mez> mine doesnt work like that
[16:47] <PriceChild> Could I suggest you set something up to emulate it?
[16:47]  * Hobbsee suggests using email.
[16:47] <Mez> PriceChild, no - a highlight when im around is a highlight
[16:47]  * Hobbsee has seen PriceChild not read slabs of channel logs, and acting anyway.
[16:49] <Hobbsee> Mez: are you waving a flag when you're around all the time?
[16:49] <PriceChild> Mez: As a compromise, could you set up /msg nickserv help set emailmemos"
[16:49] <Mez> Hobbsee, no - however, if I'm away for extended period of times - I suffix my name
[16:50] <Mez> PriceChild, done
[16:50] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: bring those situations to my attention, or the other people around and we can fix them. I would suggest that masses channel logs are slightly different than a hilight log, although yes, not reading them can cause problems.
[16:51] <PriceChild> Mez: thanks :)
[16:51] <Mez> though - what Ill be needed for now that floodbots are no longer on my servers - I dont know
[16:51] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: either way, if he's got 20 highlights during a plane trip home, whether he responds to ones from here or not, in an urgent manner, is by no means certain.
[16:51] <Hobbsee> particularly as !ops is usually what is triggered here.
[16:52] <Pici> who what where?!
[16:52] <PriceChild> Mez: I know you bring other things to the team than hosting for the floodbots.
[16:52] <Mez> and the reason I generally clear a huge highlight log is because of masses of !o ps calls
[16:52] <PriceChild> that other is out of place...
[16:52] <Hobbsee> Mez: selectively ignore it?
[16:52] <Mez> Hobbsee, my client doesnt have that option
[16:53] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: and?
[16:53] <Mez> and I dont know the xchat scripting interface enough
[16:55] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: so, if you want things answered quickly, find a more appropriate medium.
[16:55] <Hobbsee> Mez: ah
[16:56] <Mez> plus - as my pinglog actually puts them in the channels they came from...
[16:56] <Mez> i cant selectively ignore them without ignorning them when connected
[17:00] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: what would you suggest as an appropriate medium?
[17:01] <PriceChild> pageers?
[17:01] <PriceChild> gah, pagers?
[17:01] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: email, mobile.  irc never makes a good todo list.
[17:01] <Hobbsee> pagers are good.
[17:01] <PriceChild> email suffers from the same problem
[17:01] <Hobbsee> email has subject lines - or at least, most do.
[17:02] <PriceChild> We all get a lot of email.
[17:02] <Hobbsee> more filterable than irc, too
[17:02] <Hobbsee> but yes
[17:02] <Hobbsee> obviously, mobile is the best way to go for urgent things
[17:03] <Mez> Hobbsee, indeed, I was actually bought to this channel cause an SMS regarding it woke me up
[17:03] <Mez> I was over in less than 20 secs.
[17:04] <Mez> at which point the first thing  I did was a "status" in -ops-monitor
[17:04] <Mez> email, I could have gotten quite quickly, though it wouldnt have woke me up, I would have had the email and acted on it by now if it had been sent at the time the pings were sent
[17:04] <Mez> in fact
[17:05]  * Mez goes and sets up email to SMS
[17:05] <ompaul> Mez, is sms a bad medium for you/
[17:05] <ompaul> ?
[17:05] <Mez> ompaul, no, its a good medium for things that are important
[17:06] <ompaul> Mez, then we will just look you up and give you an sms :)
[17:06] <Mez> ompaul, fine by me - It's how i got here today
[17:06] <Mez> but I'm about to setup mez+sms@ubuntu.co
[17:06] <Mez> m
[17:06] <ompaul> Mez, a little advice from a jaded and cynical IT manager keep your email away from your phone :)
[17:07] <Mez> ompaul, yeah, it will be filtered nicely
[17:07] <Mez> ompaul, though - I might be moving to another company soon that'll require me to have email on my phone (and they'll be providing the phone!)
[17:08] <ompaul> Mez, keep your own phone independent of them ;-) trust me on this
[17:08] <ompaul> nice to have backup
[17:08] <ompaul> :)
[17:08] <Mez> ompaul, i will dont worry
[17:09]  * Mez yawns
[17:09] <ompaul> break time ;-)
[17:09] <ompaul> back later
[17:09]  * Myrtti gives Mez a cup of strong Earl Gray
[17:09] <Mez> well, if people need me, they can quite easily get my Phone number
[17:10] <Mez> hmm
[17:10] <Myrtti> milk, sugar, lemon, dear?
[17:10] <Mez> I should fix the old numbers instead of relying on forwards
[17:10] <Mez> Myrtti, am ok
[17:10] <Mez> am looking at the vodka atm
[17:11] <Myrtti> :-D
[17:18] <Myrtti> note, I just banned d83-184-191-144.cust.tele2.it because it sent a soliciting pm to one of the floodbots.
[17:18] <Myrtti> or, pierluca did
[17:20] <Myrtti> merh. my hand hurts
[18:36] <eth01> who's paul bartell? :)
[18:36] <Pici> eh?
[18:36] <eth01> paul-bartell@ubuntu.com
[18:36] <Pici> I can tell you who isnt Paul Bartell
[18:36] <eth01> it's somebody with an association to ubuntu
[18:37] <Pici> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaulBartell
[18:38] <eth01> peanutb heh
[18:42] <mc44> eth01: why are you asking?
[18:42] <eth01> mc44: nothing.
[18:42] <eth01> why, do you know him?
[18:49] <nalioth> can we help you with something, eth01 ?
[18:49] <eth01> no
[20:15] <ompaul> jcastro, you about?
[20:31] <ompaul> I will take that as a no!
[20:31] <ompaul> ;-)
[20:31] <Myrtti> lol
[21:08]  * jpds wonders what eth01 wanted with peanutb
[21:09] <jpds> wb juliux
[21:09] <juliux> thxs jpds
[21:15] <PriceChild> Mez: "victim"?
[21:18] <PriceChild> Ok I'm confused about what happenned earlier :/
[22:35] <sudobash> lordleemo is still spamming users on #ubuntu
[22:36] <ompaul> I see no evidence of that unless it is in pm
[22:37] <sajes> ompaul: I joined #ubuntu to find out and I didn't get a message, so either it's at random or not at all :\
[22:38] <jussi01> Ididnt get one on join either
[22:38] <PriceChild> got information in pm
[22:38] <PriceChild> will try and deal with it
[22:41] <jussi01> we have a lot of unvoiced people in here atm, who are all these people?
[22:41] <sajes> jussi01: I'm just an enthusiast that likes watching ops talk :D
[22:41] <jussi01> !idle | sajes
[22:53] <jussi01> sudobash: can we help you?
[22:54] <PriceChild> sudobash: new nick?
[22:54] <nickrud>  Jun 15 13:53:17 <lordleemo>	sudobash: your lame  go and flood your little windows friends , so there's something going on
[22:54] <nickrud> timing, wasn't just waiting for someone to drop in :)
[22:54] <sudobash> say what? nickrud if i open notepad i can make you say anything i want you to say
[22:55] <sudobash> so lordleemo is saying i said that?
[22:55] <nickrud> sudobash no, I saw nothing from you, just lordleemo. That's from the logs
[22:55] <sudobash> well is there an ubuntu users cloak?
[22:56] <ompaul> !cloak
[22:56] <ompaul> sudobash, we know about the spamming
[22:56] <nickrud> sudobash you can also put him on /ignore
[22:57]  * ompaul goes away 
[22:57] <ompaul> night all
[22:57] <nickrud> night
[22:57] <sudobash> thanks...
[23:31] <elky_work> HardDisk: can we help?