[00:56] <pteague> i'm having issues setting up suphp on apache2... it doesn't seem to like "suPHP_UserGroup user group" in the vhost & removing it seems to write files that are www-data:group ...
[01:11] <sayotte> this is very helpful for debugging NFS, particularly item #24
[01:11] <sayotte> http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/~strombrg/NFS-troubleshooting-2.html
[01:13] <jambooda> Hey has anyone successfully installed megaraid 00.00.03.16 on ubuntu server 8.04?
[01:14] <jambooda> is anyone in here running ubuntu server on dell hardware using perc 6i?
[01:15] <jambooda> is anyone even running it in an enterprise level environment?
[01:15] <jambooda> is anyone running it period...this channel is DEAD
[01:28] <Twigathy> 0xDEADC4AN
[01:28] <Twigathy> And nope, sorry. I use onboard sata and a pair of dirt cheap chinese siI cards
[01:36] <jambooda> that def sucks..I've pretty much resigned myself to moving to CentOS since I hear it works just fine
[01:36] <jambooda> ubuntu is great on the desktop but they're dragging their feet on the server end it seems
[01:42] <hads> Works fine for us
[01:43] <sayotte> jambooda: I've seen it deployed by some application service providers
[01:43] <sayotte> but not really large ones who need someone's monetary neck to wring if it goes wrong
[01:44] <jambooda> those app service providers aren't giving back to the community then because i've been tyring to find info for two days on how to upgrade the megaraid drivers and nada
[01:44] <jambooda> the drivers ubuntu server ships will isn't adequate for the perc 6i raid controllers
[01:44] <jambooda> there are issues under heavy load
[01:45] <sayotte> maybe
[01:45] <sayotte> you shouldn't be using Dell hardware in your Enterprise Level Environment
[01:45] <jambooda> haha
[01:45] <sayotte> but I won't suggest Ubuntu would be any better on different hardware
[01:45] <jambooda> is that so
[01:45] <jambooda> what should I be using then?
[01:46] <sayotte> if you're asking seriously, I will in all seriousness recommend HP, IBM or Sun
[01:46] <jambooda> to me that's an easy way to brush the problems to the side by saying you shouldn't be using x hardware
[01:46] <sayotte> no, I'm not brushing it aside
[01:47] <sayotte> I'm not suggesting Ubuntu would be fine if you just weren't using cheap hardware
[01:47] <sayotte> I'm not
[01:47] <sayotte> it's just a "while you're at it..." comment
[01:47] <sayotte> there might be a correlation, since if you weren't on Dell hardware you wouldn't be dealing with their annoying-ass PERC controllers
[01:48] <jambooda> dude the amount of money I spend on my hardware is definitely not cheap
[01:48] <jambooda> furthermore if its good enough for redhat and suse to support it fully then why not ubuntu
[01:48] <sayotte> how many hundred grand per machine? it's not cheap to *us* because we're individuals, but it's cheap in the world of enterprise hardware
[01:49] <jambooda> i'm a little peeved because I was looking forward to installing ubuntu solely in my environment but so far the support I've gotten from the community and ubuntu hasn't been much
[01:49] <sayotte> bottom line: if you need a Supported Linux Platform, you need to be talking to a Linux Vendor
[01:49] <sayotte> and Ubuntu is not a linux vendor
[01:49] <jambooda> now I need to move to another distro that i'm not really familiar with and have no interest in using
[01:49] <jambooda> kinda sucks
[01:49] <sayotte> yeah I feel ya
[01:50] <sayotte> I run Ubuntu for all the interesting machines I have outside of work (the application servers anyway)
[01:50] <sayotte> at work I run mostly Solaris
[01:50] <sayotte> but we've started rolling out Linux machines recently because our customers want us to support that
[01:51] <sayotte> they asked, we recommended some debian distribution because they don't suck
[01:51] <jambooda> i see...well I guess Ubuntu is going to remain a fun OS to use and not one to be taken seriously
[01:51] <sayotte> we didn't recommend SuSE only because the Novell/MS thing is making that distro a little annoying
[01:51] <sayotte> so, inevitably, we ended up on Redhat
[01:51] <jambooda> you want a serious distro go redhat, suse
[01:51] <jambooda> heck even centos
[01:51] <sayotte> yeah pretty much
[01:52] <sayotte> it's sad that the best software available is usually *not* what we get to use where it would do the most good
[01:53] <sayotte> but that's not the measuring stick... the measuring stick is the availability of 1000 goons to show up at your site and fix whatever is wrong, as agreed upon in a support contract, when everything blows up all of a sudden
[01:53] <jambooda> true indeed
[01:53] <sayotte> :(
[01:54] <jambooda> anyway thanks for the chat..gotta do some research on some serious vendors
[01:55] <hads> haha
[04:01] <Brazenn> Ubuntu may not be a linux vendor, but Canonical is!
[06:08] <robvdl> Is there a way to ensure that daemon1 starts before daemon2 in ubuntu? currently they are starting in the wrong order, as one is reliant on the other I need one to start first
[06:17] <hads> robvdl: That's controlled by the names of the links in /etc/rc$NUMBER.d/ which is usually managed with the program update-rc.d in Ubuntu,
[06:18] <robvdl> I created one daemon script myself /etc/init.d/assp because assp isn't in the repository, assp has to start after clamav
[06:19] <robvdl> but will check out the man page for update-rc.d thanks
[06:20] <hads> Basically you just need to make sure that the links to assp have a higher number than clamav
[06:21] <robvdl> assp is a great spam filter by the way :) I find it loads better than spamassassin
[06:21] <robvdl> just not sure why its not in universe yet, but it's easy enough to install manually
[06:24] <hads> I should check it out some time.
[06:25] <robvdl> it acts like an smtp proxy
[06:25] <robvdl> so stops mail before it hits the mail server
[06:26] <robvdl> it's written in perl and there's an easy guide on the howtoforge
[06:27] <hads> Not a whole lot of spam hits amavis here since using greylisting and spamhaus RBL
[06:28] <robvdl> assp has that functionality too, another cool thing is the web based configuration
[06:28] <robvdl> I used to run assp through courier on edgy but since reloading my server I now use citadel as mail/groupware
[06:29] <robvdl> which kind of does everything in one, pop, imap, groupware and web based interface, kind of like a slimmed down zimbra
[06:44] <thenewguy> i really like assp it has done wonders on my server
[07:29] <robvdl> cool, got it sorted now clamav starts before assp, thanks
[08:30] <Valsum> Hello! I'm trying to update my GPG key in Launchpad, but it seems the keyserver is down...
[08:32] <ray-irc> Is any one here that can help me set up a USB modem?
[08:33] <ray-irc> Or does any one know a good place for help setting up a USB modem for Ubuntu server?
[08:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> Valsum, perhaps tell #launchpad
[08:34] <Valsum> ok, thanks KK
[08:34] <ray-irc> I asked for help at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=798793 it's been weeks and no one has helped.
[08:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> Valsum, np
[08:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> ray-irc, is it posable for you to get a not-horrible modem?
[08:35] <ray-irc> I don't know what not-horrible modem is? Are you saying the USB modem I have is bad for Ubuntu?
[08:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> usb modems are bad full stop (imnsho of course ...)
[08:39] <ray-irc> I have a old RS232 + USB 3Com U.S. Robotics 56K Voice Faxmodem Pro that works. But I don't like that's it's about as big as the Ubuntu server I have Ubuntu running on. That's why I like some small USB modem.
[08:39] <ray-irc> The big USB modem that works easy with Ubuntu modem no. :0525 it's like plug and play with ubuntu.
[08:40] <ray-irc> So I thought any USB modem would work easy with ubuntu. But this USRobotics USR5637 56K V.92 USB modem I just can't get to work.
[08:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> its posable the server kernel doesnt hae support for the modem
[08:42] <ray-irc> I read that it works with Fedora and I think it's has the same kernel.
[08:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm pretty sure ubuntu desktop+server have different kernels
[08:45] <ray-irc> So would have to compile a new kernel to get it to work? I guess that's to hard to do.
[08:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont know. its just a thought
[12:21] <ctx144k> hello all
[12:25] <ctx144k> anyone knows the default-options "relatime" and "notail" in /etc/fstab for reiserfs-filesystems?
[12:25] <ctx144k> iam using ubuntu8.04-LTS server
[12:27] <ctx144k> ok, i founded that options in "man mount "
[13:40] <RainCT> Hi
[13:41] <RainCT> I'm trying to setup OpenVPN but I'm not sure what to write in the KEY_* fields in /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/vars. Can someone help me?
[14:37] <yann2> hi :)
[14:38] <yann2> I got 3 major issues installing dapper on a sun fire x4100 :/ anyone has the same type of hardware?
[14:42] <yann2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/37452
[14:43] <ctx144k> anyone has an idea where to look when NFS is extremly slow?
[14:43] <yann2> this means there is no possibility to install dapper on officially supported hardware.. for me its a disaster :(
[14:44] <ctx144k> is installed nfs-kernel-server - and when iam connecting via client and want copy a 100mb file i get data only with 100-200kb/s
[14:44] <ctx144k> both mashines are in the lan
[15:52] <Kapli> Does everything i put into cron.weekly run weekly?
[15:53] <yann2> yes
[15:54] <Kapli> Is there any log to check if it ran correctly or something?
[15:55] <InsomniaCity> output gets mailed
[15:56] <Kapli> And if I don't get any email?
[15:56] <yann2> install postfix? :)
[15:56] <InsomniaCity> lol
[15:56] <InsomniaCity> Kapli: check by adding output to it
[15:57] <InsomniaCity> but no mail means no output, if it ran
[15:57] <Kapli> Nono, see the problem is that I don't get an email
[15:57] <Kapli> well the script i put into cron.weekly is a db backup script, it backs up correctly but im not recieving email
[15:58] <Kapli> well see i installed sendmail when i first set up the server, but that didnt work so i installed some other thing exim4 or osmetihng
[15:59] <Kapli> someone told me to test emailing by mail command, didnt work but suggested installing mailx, so i did that and mail command works but still not getting email by the script
[16:05] <Kapli> hmm, after taking a closer look into the script it appears it sends the mail via mutt, will mutt work properly with all the different mail stuff i have installed?
[16:12] <Kapli> i installed mutt and it worked :)
[20:07] <aplsin> why does ebox depend on 100MB of crap like x11-common?
[20:07] <Nafallo> because it needs it I'd assume :-P
[20:10] <aplsin> i thought ebox was for remote admin of server's, who put's X11 on a server? (well i do but that's on my sandbox-server because i wanna a remote (XDMCP) gnome-desktop)
[20:12] <Deeps> read the sauce, luke
[20:42] <Bhavesh> YAY so many people
[20:44] <Bhavesh> setup: Dual PIII, 1GB memory, onboard Promise FastTrak Lite controller, trying to install ubuntu-server with two drives connected to the promise ctrl, at install time kernel panics
[20:44] <Bhavesh> if i try to install it without having hdd connected to promise ctrl, install goes fine
[20:45] <Bhavesh> and if i install server and THEN connect drives to promise ctrl, it won't boot
[20:45] <Bhavesh> any suggestions/ideas?