| pwnguin | bryce: i have a very random question for you. which do you think is faster to render? svg or png? | 07:31 |
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| bryce | depends on the complexity of the svg | 07:42 |
| bryce | pngs have some overhead due to having to decompress them, but aside from that the resultant raster is relatively fast to blit | 07:43 |
| bryce | svg supports advanced functionality like filters, gradients, etc. which can be processor intensive for some chipsets | 07:44 |
| bryce | however a really trivial one - just some simple shapes of solid colors - could actually render faster | 07:44 |
| pwnguin | lets say the eclipse icon level | 07:44 |
| pwnguin | a couple circles, some lines and a highlight | 07:45 |
| bryce | it might be faster - again though, it depends on a lot of factors so it's best to just try it and measure | 07:45 |
| bryce | however for icons, they're so tiny it's usually a moot point one way or the other | 07:46 |
| pwnguin | im thinking about making a push to get rid of more svg icons | 07:46 |
| pwnguin | err | 07:46 |
| pwnguin | its kinda late. | 07:46 |
| pwnguin | get rid of png / xpm for svg | 07:47 |
| pwnguin | im just trying to look at the angles | 07:47 |
| pwnguin | there's complaints that the ubuntu logo is too complex for the screensaver | 07:47 |
| bryce | for inkscape, an advantage we saw is that we could put all the icons into a single .svg file, render that whole file in one go, and then slice out the rasters for the icons | 07:48 |
| pwnguin | "slice out" | 07:48 |
| pwnguin | ah, render high then drop lines | 07:48 |
| bryce | some applications have each icon a separate .png file, so turning all that into a single file I/O operation can be quite significant | 07:48 |
| bryce | filesystem I/O tends to be a major performance killer, so any optimization which allows you to avoid file I/O at the expense of processor or memory, tends to work out pretty well | 07:49 |
| pwnguin | so svgz | 07:49 |
| bryce | in theory you could do the same thing with .png's and put them all in the same file and then use offsets to slice out the individual images | 07:50 |
| bryce | I know a lot of games do that for instance | 07:50 |
| pwnguin | i need to get nussbaum's cluster | 07:51 |
| bryce | an advantage with svg is that editing is a lot easier, since you don't have to worry so much about pixel placement, and can really easily scale, copy and paste bits from other icons (file folders, letters, etc.) | 07:51 |
| pwnguin | and do an archive query on the size of svg icons | 07:51 |
| bryce | of course, raster icons do have their advantages, like if you want to do hinting and optimize for specific sizes/resolutions | 07:52 |
| bryce | to me the best argument favoring using svg for icons is that it makes it sooo accessible for artists to contribute | 07:52 |
| pwnguin | that's my next question: does anyone actually optimize icons? | 07:52 |
| bryce | some time look through inkscape's menus and you'll see there's hardly any menu items that *don't* have icons | 07:53 |
| bryce | yeah some people do | 07:53 |
| pwnguin | well, how many packages is the relevant question | 07:54 |
| bryce | I'd guess all the major ones. For joe random open source project, they probably don't. | 07:54 |
| pwnguin | i mean, i dont really care about the icons in a program | 07:56 |
| pwnguin | but the .desktop / launcher icons are branding | 07:57 |
| pwnguin | hmm | 07:58 |
| pwnguin | maybe its not nessecary to change out the icons, but just make sure they all have a scalable one available | 07:59 |
| pwnguin | bryce: well thanks for the input. certainly plenty of detail to go on | 08:03 |
| bryce | sure, I'd love to hear how things develop | 08:57 |
| bryce | pwnguin: if you're really interested in svg icons, make sure to hang on #inkscape... lotta svg icon fanatics there with lots and lots of advice. tell folks you work with me on ubuntu-x and they should treat you well :-) | 08:58 |
| pwnguin | i dont do all that much work | 09:10 |
| pwnguin | more like sophisticated stalking | 09:10 |
| bryce | it's appreciated nonetheless :-) | 09:11 |
| pwnguin | im thinking of applying for ubuntu membership | 09:11 |
| bryce | pwnguin: cool! :-) Yeah I think you'd have no trouble | 09:19 |
| pwnguin | but i'd need a few people to show up to declare me totally awesome and a super rad dude | 09:20 |
| bryce | pwnguin: count me in, just let me know when | 09:20 |
| pwnguin | i have no idea | 09:20 |
| pwnguin | the next meeting is "undecided" | 09:20 |
| * bryce nods | 09:20 | |
| bryce | I think they go once a month, and the last meeting was a week or two ago | 09:21 |
| pwnguin | yea i noticed | 09:21 |
| pwnguin | a ton of loco people on the planet | 09:21 |
| bryce | in any case, I'll be happy to support you. If you find out when the meeting is, let me know. | 09:22 |
| bryce | pwnguin: do you have plans to go for MOTU? | 09:23 |
| pwnguin | sure | 09:23 |
| pwnguin | MOTU is kinda wierd | 09:23 |
| pwnguin | i dont have wide interests | 09:23 |
| pwnguin | everyone says they're more generalists | 09:24 |
| pwnguin | plus, im fine with having my work peer reviewed | 09:24 |
| * bryce nods | 09:25 | |
| pwnguin | i do have a ppa | 09:25 |
| pwnguin | i guess the way to put it is a square | 09:25 |
| bryce | I did Member -> MOTU -> Core Dev, so for me it was a good stepping stone. | 09:25 |
| pwnguin | stack ubuntu on the bottom, debian in the middle and upstream at the top | 09:26 |
| bryce | it let me get some experience uploading to universe and doing sponsorships, and while I didn't do a ton of MOTU work, it was good preparation | 09:26 |
| pwnguin | most of ubuntu is horizontal; I'm more interested in a vertical approach | 09:27 |
| pwnguin | my fingerprint reader for example, I follow the ML and the debian team's work | 09:28 |
| * bryce nods | 09:28 | |
| pwnguin | i pulled from debian experimental and some patches on the ML / bugzilla | 09:28 |
| pwnguin | thats all been superceded though since thinkfinger was brought into main | 09:29 |
| superm1 | well and it will be changing for intrepid pwnguin. fprint is on its way :) | 09:36 |
| pwnguin | superm1: i know | 21:08 |
| pwnguin | superm1: does anyone actually discuss these things, or do they just do it and hope people notice? | 21:09 |
| superm1 | pwnguin, i talked to Keybuk about it | 23:32 |
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