[00:00] <lukehasnonam1> I don't know how or if it's possible, but my 8800M is not correctly detected by the driver manager. Would it be possible for Ubuntu to take the binary package from Nvidia.com and package it for Hardy/Intrepid, so 8 series mobile cards can be supported automatically?
[00:09] <LinuxMonkey> finally i think i got my chroot done right
[00:30] <LinuxMonkey> nope my chroot got messed up again.lol
[00:53] <LinuxMonkey> Anyone here to help me with creating a intrepid chroot, im running into hell when trying to follow the guide.
[02:11] <ryanakca> How can I have quilt version an empty file?
[03:07] <Baron1984> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5194590#post5194590
[03:38] <superm1> any other motu's around that would be able to take a quick glance at a package i threw together?
[03:40] <persia> superm1: I can do a quick glance, but not a proper review.  URL?
[03:40] <superm1> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~motu/coreavc/ubuntu
[03:40] <superm1> that's a bzr URL
[03:41] <superm1> persia, ^
[03:41] <persia> README.Ubuntu?
[03:41] <superm1> it's not going into debian yet.
[03:41] <superm1> it's a makeshift solution until the patches for it's enablement float out to a lot of other packages
[03:42] <persia> heh.  Why compat 5?  Not 6 or 7?
[03:42] <superm1> backportability
[03:42] <persia> You don't need XS- in Vcs-Bzr: anymore
[03:42] <persia> (except maybe for backportability)
[03:42] <superm1> yeah that's why i left it, in case
[03:43] <persia> Are you backporting to Dapper, feisty, or gutsy?
[03:43] <superm1> as far back as gutsy at least
[03:43] <superm1> probably no more than that though
[03:43] <persia> OK.  Gutsy does better with XS-
[03:43] <LinuxMonkey> sup persia and superm1
[03:45] <persia> The manpage is clearly incomplete :)  -b, -g, and -o are not defined.
[03:45] <superm1> yeah i dont know what they do yet
[03:45] <superm1> upstream hasn't documented them well
[03:45] <persia> Heh
[03:45] <superm1> that's another issue though ;)
[03:46] <persia> You don't need to overload get-sv-source or export-svn-source, as CDBS doesn't have these rules.
[03:46] <superm1> when you say overload, you are referring to the double ::, correct?
[03:46] <persia> Yep.
[03:47] <persia> Also, why `ln -sf` rather than `cp` for Makefile?
[03:47] <superm1> I didn't ever realize that was for overloading.  I had thought it was just syntax
[03:47] <superm1> functionally equivalent?
[03:47] <persia> It means that you are defining a rule that may also be defined elsewhere.  make concatenates all the :: rules to generate the rule used.  Having :: rules depend on things tends to cause odd behaviours.
[03:48] <superm1> Ah i see.
[03:48] <persia> This is why the CDBS documentation tells you to use things like makefuilddir/dshowserver::, rather than trying to overload the regular rules.
[03:49] <persia> Now, as an exercise, explain the differences between "=". ":=", and "?="
[03:49] <superm1> it's when they are evaluated
[03:50] <persia> succinct, and correct.  10 points!
[03:51] <superm1> i always mix them up, so if things dont work right the first time, i try the next one :)
[03:51] <persia> superm1: Ah.  That explains your use of "=" for CFLAGS
[03:52] <persia> SVN_REVISION is the only one that really wants to be "=", and it would probably be better to be "?="
[03:53] <superm1> theo ther 3 would be better off as "=:" then I take it?
[03:54] <persia> ":=" I think
[03:54]  * persia checks again
[03:54] <superm1> oh you're right yeah
[03:54] <superm1> i just mistyped
[03:55] <persia> Right.  := is best for things you set at parse-time.  ?= is best for things that have expensive evaluations that you want at runtime.  = should only be used when you want to run the calculation again for each call.
[03:55] <superm1> yeah i switched those around and still functional.
[03:56] <persia> Whether TARFILE or SVN_REVISION should be ?= or := depends on how they are defined in CDBS.  You might well want ?= for those.
[03:56] <persia> CFLAGS and SVN_URL should definitely be :=
[03:58] <persia> Bah.  CDBS executes DEB_SOURCE_PACKAGE unconditionally as :=, so even := works :(  Ought be ?=, but I suppose using := makes it less confusing to write debian/rules
[03:59] <superm1> yeah
[04:02] <superm1> thanks for looking through the package persia
[04:04] <persia> superm1: No problems.  I'm a bit rusty at package review, and didn't do any of the usual lintian or license checking, so I don't promise it's perfect, but not much missing.
[04:08] <superm1> persia, yeah, i've run lintian and the license is pretty basic (GPL), so should be okay.  I'm going to get a few folks to test it (i dont have a license for the proprietary piece you need for it to work yet), before i'll push it
[04:45] <pi-meson> I know this is off topic, but is there a channel for automake/autoconf questions?
[06:39] <dholbach> good morning
[07:30] <\sh> moins
[07:31] <geser> good morning
[07:35] <\sh> guten morgen geser :)
[07:43] <geser> Guten Morgen \sh
[08:46] <Koon> hmm. I subscribed motu-sru by mistake on bug 235868 -- dnsmasq is in main now.
[08:47] <Koon> motu-sru: feel free to unsubscribe to fix my mess, sorry for the noise
[08:51] <DktrKranz> Koon: no problem, thanks for reporting :)
[08:52] <Koon> DktrKranz: thx ;)
[08:58] <Hobbsee> ScottK: you around, by any chance?
[08:58] <Hobbsee> hm.  seems not
[10:06] <directhex> are .orig.bz2 archives allowed yet, or do i still need to convert to gzip?
[10:08] <persia> directhex: Best connect to gzip for now.  If you really want to keep .bz2, give it a try in a PPA, but I think it doesn't work yet.
[10:09] <directhex> is there a "proper" way to do the conversion?
[10:10] <persia> directhex: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Basic#head-4bb01b3c07548aaf98e85ac7eb7983e632f8eb38
[10:12] <directhex> cheers
[10:15] <\sh> guys, tonight is sru team meeting, right? :)
[10:15] <dholbach> james_w: MOTU School FTW! :)
[10:16] <james_w> dholbach: thanks persia :-)
[10:16] <DktrKranz> \sh... it should, no confirmation though
[10:16] <dholbach> thanks persia! :)
[10:16] <sebner> uhh the elite is here =) cheers so persia \sh DktrKranz and dholbach ^^
[10:17] <DktrKranz> sebner: please file a demote bug: "move dktrkranz out of elite"
[10:18] <DktrKranz> I'll be happy to ACK it :P
[10:18] <\sh> mv elite/\\sh /dev/zero :)
[10:18] <sebner> pfff, here all the pro's don't think they are pros though they *are* pro's =)
[10:18] <persia> \sh: You can't rewrite history: it's all archived :)
[10:18] <sebner> right dholbach ?
[10:19] <dholbach> sebner: I hope I'm not perceived as elitist ;-)
[10:19] <\sh> persia: /me is definitely not elite :)
[10:19] <sebner> dholbach: you are on youtube so no chance :P
[10:20] <\sh> dholbach: oh well..if being on youtube makes you elite, then I'm really elite, too ;)
[10:20] <dholbach> hehe
[10:20]  * sebner gives up, our elite is too decent
[10:20] <sebner> \sh: ubuntu MOTU chan on youtube ;)
[10:21]  * DktrKranz is happy to be ignored by youtube
[10:21] <\sh> sebner: you actually don't know how near you are to the truth ;)
[10:21] <DktrKranz> or you will see me drunk by too many apt-get install wine
[10:21] <sebner> \sh: HA!
[10:21] <sebner> DktrKranz: rofl
[10:21] <\sh> sebner: well, not youtube, but much better :)
[10:22] <sebner> \sh: the new LP project?
[10:22] <\sh> sebner: ah no...:)
[10:22] <sebner> \sh: you and apachelogger drunken in berlin? ^^
[10:22] <\sh> sebner: that's old news ;)
[10:22] <sebner> \sh: so, tell me =)
[10:23] <\sh> sebner: na...it's da secret :)
[10:23] <DktrKranz> whoa, drunk people in here... be careful when using dput ubuntu then!
[10:24] <\sh> DktrKranz: /me is not drunk NOW
[10:24] <\sh> no beer before four ;)
[10:24] <DktrKranz> :)
[10:24] <sebner> \sh: well, secrets will be revealed sooner or later ;)
[10:24] <\sh> sebner: yes
[10:24] <dholbach> speaking of youtuve videos: is there any way to report bugs on youtube? :)
[10:24] <sebner> lol
[10:24] <dholbach> I can't reply to one of the comments on one of the videos
[10:25] <\sh> dholbach: my way? I'll call someone at google swiss ;)
[10:25] <dholbach> if I enter a comment, click reply, the text box goes gray and it just sits there
[10:25] <\sh> but...
[10:25] <dholbach> \sh: if you do the next time, let them know that their commenting system is broken (at least for jcastro and me)
[10:25] <sebner> dholbach: anything related to flash is totally b0rken ;)
[10:25] <dholbach> sebner: I doubt the comment system has anything to do with flash :-)
[10:26] <\sh> sebner: but if you want to have a look at a not so secret news anymore, have a look here: http://leonov.tv/content/latest-draft-logo :)
[10:26]  * sebner looks
[10:26] <\sh> sebner: in general I would agree with you. but in cornercases I disagree with you :)
[10:26] <persia> \sh: What happened to Cyrillic?
[10:26] <\sh> persia: it's a draft...the cyrillic version is in work :)
[10:26] <sebner> \sh: but this is that new LP project with the Qt/GTK application bug thing
[10:27] <sebner> dholbach: but flash has so much bad and black power so it influences all of the site xD
[10:27] <\sh> sebner: that's a draft of the new logo of launchpad incorporated into leonovs new logo, which you are looking at :)
[10:27]  * dholbach confiscates sebner's crack pipe :-P
[10:28] <sebner> lol
[10:28] <\sh> sebner: and it's a work of less then one hour ;)
[10:28]  * sebner hugs dholbach 
[10:28]  * Hobbsee pinches the crack pipe
[10:28] <sebner> \sh: *NICE*
[10:28] <sebner> almighty Hobbsee with the stick and the crack pipe x
[10:28]  * Hobbsee muhahahaha
[10:28]  * \sh is really excited to see the people doing work...rainct is rocking...rugby is also rocking and nasam does great work on the gtk frontend side...
[10:29] <sebner> \sh: rugby = ruby?
[10:29] <\sh> sebner: Rugby471 -> Andrew ... the guy who's doing work on the logo
[10:30] <sebner> ah
[10:30] <sebner> kk
[10:30] <sebner> \sh: I my holidays I could write a GTK# for you ^^
[10:30] <sebner> + version
[10:30] <DktrKranz> sebner: have you a backup crack pipe?
[10:30]  * sebner looks under his bed
[10:30] <\sh> sebner: hmm? main language is python...and stays...no mono here ;)
[10:31] <\sh> sebner: learn python dude...
[10:31] <sebner> \sh: opensource, open to anything?
[10:31] <\sh> sebner: you could try to work on a windows frontend :)
[10:32] <sebner> DktrKranz: he stole my only crack pipe xD
[10:32] <\sh> sebner: but again, python is the way to go..;)
[10:32] <sebner> \sh: ehm, gtk# != windows so no. gnu FTW!!!
[10:33] <\sh> that reminds me to ask for an gpl licensed pyqt4 on windows
[10:36] <sebner> dholbach: when will the next episodes arrive and how many are planned?
[10:38] <highvoltage> dholbach: howdy. are those ubuntudeveloper videos available for download anywhere?
[10:38] <dholbach> sebner: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Videos :-)
[10:38] <dholbach> highvoltage: http://videos.ubuntu.com
[10:38] <highvoltage> dholbach: ah, thanks!
[10:39] <sebner> dholbach: ok let's say: How many will *you* do in future
[10:39] <askand> Hello! Can someone in here help me making a debdiff?
[10:39] <persia> askand: Sure.
[10:39] <persia> askand: How far did you get?
[10:40] <highvoltage> sebner: you sound like dholbach's newest stalker :)
[10:40] <dholbach> highvoltage: hehe
[10:40] <sebner> he looks so sympathic :P
[10:41] <sebner> German power, FTW!!! xD
[10:46]  * \sh needs to buy some new hardware...
[10:53] <askand> ﻿persia:  I have made the changes in the directorytree and changed the changelog, but forgot where to go from here
[10:53] <persia> askand: And your changelog has the updated version?
[10:54] <askand> ﻿persia: yes
[10:55] <persia> OK.  You can build the candidate source package with `debuild -S -us -uc` (or just `debuild -S` if you have your GPG key all configured)
[10:55] <persia> Then, change to the parent directory, and call debdiff repository-version.dsc candidate-revision.dsc > candidate-revision.debdiff
[10:55] <persia> Check this file to make sure it contains exactly the changes you wanted.
[10:56] <askand> Hm I get an error from debuild; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -us -uc -S failed
[10:57] <persia> askand: OK.  You likely got a couple errors above that.  Pastebin?
[10:58] <askand> ﻿persia: http://pastebin.com/mf04e8e5
[10:58] <askand> im afraide bits of it is in swedish
[11:00] <persia> Swedish is fine.  I mostly only have trouble reading these error messages in Devengali-based scripts. :)
[11:00] <askand> ok :)
[11:01] <persia> askand: How did you update the changelog?
[11:01] <askand> ﻿ persia: with gedit
[11:01] <askand> ? =-O
[11:02] <persia> askand: Aha!  Your format isn't quite right.  Try removing your entry, running `export EDITOR=gedit`, and calling `dch -i`
[11:08] <askand> ﻿persia:  thanks now it worked :)
[11:10] <persia> askand: Excellent.  Good luck with your candidate.
[11:10] <askand> thanks for helping out
[11:53] <gaspa> doko_: can i merge python-xml?
[11:55] <persia> gaspa: Finally caught you :)
[11:55] <gaspa> persia: Hi! yep. ;)
[11:56] <persia> gaspa: What do you want to do about NBS?  Do you need more feedback?
[11:57] <gaspa> persia: well. after reading your mail... i'll have much to working on,
[11:57] <gaspa> :)
[11:57] <persia> gaspa: OK :)  How often are you about this early in the afternoon?
[11:58] <gaspa> mmm.. .don't know .. i'm quite busy.
[11:58] <persia> OK.  Well, email works :)
[11:58] <gaspa> oh ,sure. ;)
[12:02] <gaspa> persia: just two thing... i found a server on which i' could generate xml. So ubuntuwire could only link me, or host only the xml file.
[12:02] <gaspa> the second: i'm uploading it all to my bzr.
[12:05] <persia> gaspa: Putting it in public VCS is always good :)  As for hosting vs. linking, I'm not the best person to ask.  Try in #ubuntuwire.
[12:06] <gaspa> persia: great.
[12:09] <devfil> Someone can review pidgin-msn-pecan on revu? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=pidgin-msn-pecan
[12:31] <dennda> dholbach: Thanks for those videos
[12:36] <highvoltage> dholbach: would you happen to know where the UDS Prague videos can be downloaded?
[12:42] <dennda> Is there any more detailed textual `tutorial` on what dholbach explained here http://youtube.com/watch?v=VyEl3w7SFK4&amp;feature=related (and the following videos)?
[12:44] <persia> dennda: YouTube doesn't work for me.  What is the topic?
[12:44] <dennda> persia: MOTU Getting started and How to build a package
[12:44] <dennda> (Very basic in 3 x 6 Minutes)
[12:45] <persia> dennda: As for getting started, I think the best way is to find a bug that bothers you, and find a solution, and get a patch into the archives.
[12:45] <persia> As for building a package: a source package consists of some upstream source, and a debian/ directory for the meta-information.
[12:46] <persia> The essential files in this directory are control, copyright, rules, and changelog.
[12:46] <dennda> persia: Yes, dholbach nicely explained that. I just wonder whether there is a more complete documentation on the process
[12:47] <persia> dennda: I really ought to get around to updating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing , but it encapusaltes some of my previous thoughts on how to get involved with MOTU.
[12:47] <dennda> I am not a C hacker, but got a package (memaker) included in hardy which has been fetched from a revision that is not up to date and has some bugs. I fixed those bugs in a more recent revision and would like to have that fix included. (Just for getting my hands dirty. The package isn't too important)
[12:48] <persia> For packaging, I recommend you work with existing packages for a while, as this will help build your experience with the many different possible correct ways to package things, and let you build some opinions.
[12:48] <dennda> (I did not build that package in the first place but am one of the authors of the project)
[12:48] <persia> If you just want to update a package, unpack the new source, copy in the old debian/ update the changelog, adjust any patches that no longer apply, and run the package checkers again to see if policy changed in a way that requires your action.
[12:49] <sebner> dennda: there were rumors that memaker is dead upstream
[12:49] <persia> sebner: apparently not :)
[12:49] <sebner> persia: hrhr, I see
[12:49] <sebner> persia: how are you doing with your intrepid chroots :P
[12:50] <dennda> sebner: There has been no commit for quite some time, that is correct. I myself havn't had the time to do much for it due to university studies and now I am in GSoC, but the initial author sent a nice "Let's get it on for 2.0"-mail to the dev-list
[12:50] <dennda> (yes, we have something like that :))
[12:50] <persia> sebner: They continue to be dormant.  I expect I'll be sorting them in the next couple days now, as I've some incentives.
[12:50] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Around now.
[12:50] <sebner> persia: kk ^^
[12:50] <ScottK> Good $TIMEOFDAY all.
[12:50] <Laney> 'lo
[12:50] <sebner> ScottK: hi, you failed I suppose :P
[12:50] <ScottK> sebner: Yes.
[12:51] <sebner> np
[13:10] <sistpoty> hi folks
[13:11] <Laney> geser: Do you mind if I do the vegastrike merge?
[13:16] <persia> Laney: Does that really still require a merge?  I thought all the changes got back into Debian.
[13:18] <Laney> persia: I'm using merge as shorthand for "Check if it still requires a merge, and do the appropriate work"
[13:19] <persia> Laney: Ah.  OK.
[13:27] <Hobbsee> @now mst
[13:28] <Hobbsee> hm
[13:29] <gaspa> someone knows what's the status of python-xml package? should be merged or not?
[13:30] <gaspa> ScottK: you, perhaps? :p
[13:31] <ScottK> gaspa: It'd be nice to try and get rid of it actually.
[13:31] <gaspa> ScottK: ok, so it's not worth mergin it, right?
[13:32] <ScottK> gaspa: If we succeed in getting rid of it, no.  If we don't, yes.
[13:32] <ScottK> At this point I'd suggest lookng at the remaining rdepends and see if they can be taught not to need it.
[13:33] <gaspa> let's see...
[13:38] <gaspa> ScottK: strange: pyslide doesn't depends on it for 0.4-10ubuntu2, while reappear on 0.4-10ubuntu3...
[13:39] <ScottK> Yes.  Look at the bug closed in ubuntu3
[13:45] <gaspa> ScottK: there are at least 22 packages that doens't seem to be even touched for this issue
[13:46] <gaspa> ScottK: there's a list with the commands used: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/20611/
[13:47] <ScottK> gaspa: That's a bit of an odd list as some of those packages don't even exist in Intrepid (schooltool was removed).
[13:47] <gaspa> ah
[13:48] <sebner> ScottK: isn't that a sync? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/apache2/2.2.9-1ubuntu1
[13:49] <sebner> ScottK: or did he just didn't mention always the same ones
[13:50] <ScottK> sebner: Apache is in main.  I wouldn't worry it.
[13:50] <sebner> ScottK: yeah, just noticed that and was confused
[13:50] <ScottK> K.
[13:50] <freeflying_> dose who wanna take this #240365?
[13:51] <sebner> bug ##240365
[13:51] <sebner> bug #240365
[13:51] <ScottK> sebner: I pinged the guy that uploaded it.
[13:51] <sebner> ScottK: ah, O_o no stress about that. maybe he just didn't write the usual changes+
[13:51] <freeflying_> can we sync package directly into main?
[13:52] <ScottK> sebner: No.  The changelog is correct.
[13:53] <sebner> ScottK: so?
[13:53] <gaspa> ScottK: in intrepid there are only 15.  (only?) :P
[13:54] <ScottK> gaspa: We had ~60 when we started on it in Hardy, so that's not so bad.
[13:54] <gaspa> :)
[13:54] <ScottK> I'm pretty sure there's a newer python-zsi than the one we had for Hardy that doesn't need python-xml anymore.
[13:55] <gaspa> well, there's also python-xml-doc that perhaps doesn't matter. ;)
[13:55] <ScottK> That could be removed with python-xml.
[13:55] <gaspa> and -dbg
[13:55] <ScottK> Also python-xml removal is a goal in Debian, so maybe this stuff is fixed there too.
[13:57] <sebner> freeflying_: ping
[13:57] <sistpoty> freeflying_: you'll need to write a MIR for it iirc
[13:57] <sistpoty> (main inclusion report)
[13:58] <sebner> huhu sistpoty =)
[13:58] <sistpoty> hi sebner
[13:58] <freeflying_> sebner: pong
[13:58] <sebner> freeflying_: you are chinese, would you translate something for me?
[13:58] <freeflying_> sistpoty: it even isn't in ubuntu, how is a MIR going :)
[13:58] <freeflying_> sebner: what kind?
[13:59] <sebner> freeflying_: http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4374/22079075bv5.jpg
[13:59] <ScottK> First you make sebner promise to package it.
[13:59] <sistpoty> freeflying_: then I guess it would need to enter universe first
[13:59] <sebner> ScottK: but just when ScottK is looking at courier :P
[13:59] <sistpoty> freeflying_: however you might want to ask on -devel for clarification ;)
[13:59] <freeflying_> sebner: forget it, a spam
[13:59] <lukehasnoname> Who would I talk to about getting a different/additional nvidia binary driver into the repos?
[14:00] <sebner> freeflying_: I know but what is standing there ^^
[14:00] <sebner> *written
[14:00] <ScottK> lukehasnoname: Probably tseliot.
[14:01] <sistpoty> sebner: either enlarge your genitals, or loose weigth, or you have won a ridiculus large amount of money..., or a mix of these three :P
[14:01] <freeflying_> sebner: it said theycan provide u invoice you wanna
[14:01] <lukehasnoname> ok ScottK
[14:01] <freeflying_> sebner: I supposed you won'd need :)
[14:01] <sebner> hrhr
[14:01] <sebner> sistpoty: rofl rofl rofl
[14:02] <gaspa> sistpoty: "enlarge your ridicoulus weight" could be fine?
[14:02] <sebner> freeflying_: thanks, just wondering why I'm getting a chinese picture spam O_o
[14:02] <sistpoty> haha gaspa
[14:02] <freeflying_> sebner: for anti-spam can not find those information in a pic now :)
[14:02] <sebner> ScottK: so what's no with apache?
[14:03] <sebner> freeflying_: I know but nevertheless, why is a chinese send me a mail xD
[14:03] <persia> sebner: Because your name & email address are now mirrored worldwide...
[14:04] <sebner> persia: yeah, spread the word. I should reply with ubuntu advertisment
[14:04] <ScottK> sebner: There isn't a lot of value in wondering why about spam.
[14:04] <ScottK> sebner: Also recall that virtually all spam is sent from forged email addresses.
[14:04] <sebner> ScottK: well, I never recieved chinese span so it's something special xd
[14:05] <ScottK> sebner clearly has more free time than ScottK.
[14:05] <Xand3r> hi
[14:06] <ScottK> Hello Xand3r.
[14:06] <sebner> ScottK: xD, why?
[14:06] <ScottK> sebner: You have time to worry about such things.
[14:07] <sebner> ScottK: well, I should learn for school xD
[14:07] <Xand3r> i uploaded a package to revu, but it does not appears there, siretart i think you are an admin, can you help me?
[14:08] <sistpoty> Xand3r: I'll take a look at it
[14:08] <Xand3r> thx sistpoty
[14:08] <sistpoty> Xand3r: screenie-qt?
[14:08] <Xand3r> yes
[14:08] <sebner> ScottK: I still didn't got what's now with apache ...
[14:08] <sistpoty> Xand3r: it's a binary upload (with a .deb), so this will not show up
[14:09] <sistpoty> Xand3r: please upload a source package instead (use -S -sa as arguments for dpkg-buildpackage/debuild)
[14:09] <Xand3r> i have uploaded the *.changes
[14:09] <sistpoty> Xand3r: yes, but the .changes refer to a binary package (there is a line with a .deb in the .changes file)
[14:09] <ScottK> sebner: I asked him why he didn't just ask for a sync and the answer I got was, "because I havent had any coffee yet".
[14:10] <sistpoty> Xand3r: as written above, just use -S -sa for dpkg-buildpackage, then you'll get a .changes file referring to a source package
[14:10] <Xand3r> ok thx sistpoty, i will change it
[14:10] <sistpoty> Xand3r: thanks
[14:10]  * sistpoty updates the keyring while at it
[14:11] <tseliot> ﻿lukehasnoname: what driver would you like to get included?
[14:12] <tseliot> ﻿lukehasnoname: and what use-case would it cover?
[14:13] <sebner> ScottK: ROFL
[14:13] <sebner> ScottK: however, thanks
[14:16] <ScottK> DktrKranz: Would you have time for doing an SRU verification?
[14:16] <lukehasnoname> sorry tseliot I was away
[14:17] <lukehasnoname> My 8800M was not detected correctly by the driver manager
[14:17] <lukehasnoname> and nvidia-glx didn't seem to function properly
[14:18] <lukehasnoname> After uninstalling linux-restricted-modules, nvidia-*, and jockey, I installed nvidia's 64-bit .run package successfully
[14:18] <DktrKranz> ScottK: if it doesn't require UI, sure
[14:18] <ScottK> DktrKranz: Bug #228877
[14:18] <ScottK> DktrKranz: Thanks.
[14:18] <lukehasnoname> Bug 224893
[14:19] <lukehasnoname> Ah damnit, wrong bug. hold on
[14:19] <lukehasnoname> 239072
[14:19] <lukehasnoname> bug 239072
[14:19] <lukehasnoname> >_>
[14:21] <Xand3r> sistpoty: its up now
[14:21] <sistpoty> :)
[14:22] <Xand3r> i hope it is now right
[14:22] <tseliot> ﻿lukehasnoname: the driver you need is already available through EnvyNG. It's in hardy-proposed. Read here: http://albertomilone.com/wordpress/?p=210
[14:22] <tseliot> ﻿lukehasnoname: make sure you uninstall the one from NVIDIA's installer first
[14:23] <sistpoty> Xand3r: we'll see in 7 minutes or so, then it should get picked up by revu's cron job
[14:23] <directhex> nvidia-installer eats babies. i'd suggest not running it
[14:23] <directhex> unless you REALLY hate babies
[14:23] <Xand3r> ok thx sistpoty
[14:24] <sistpoty> np
[14:24] <lukehasnoname> Well I've already run it, and stuff works alright now. I'll use the hardy-proposed one next install. Does -proposed means packages that are looking to get into the general repo?
[14:25] <DktrKranz> ScottK: weird... I'm unable to trigger script failure with version in hardy-release. I'll subscribe myself to the bug and perform a deeper check later this evening when I come back home (in about three hours).
[14:25] <ScottK> DktrKranz: OK.  Thanks.
[14:25] <ScottK> DktrKranz: You've never had that package set up before have you?
[14:25] <DktrKranz> no, clean hardy box
[14:26] <ScottK> Odd.
[14:26] <ScottK> Thanks for looking into it.
[14:27] <DktrKranz> Indeed, but this is probably due to some packages which are missing, my VM is very lightweight
[14:27] <DktrKranz> it's not a default setup, I'll check with a common one at home
[14:28] <ScottK> Thanks
[14:28]  * ScottK has to use some Windows only teleconference service today.
[14:28]  * ScottK allowed 2 hours to get his Windows install updated and set up (haven't booted it in months)
[14:29] <lukehasnoname> Awethome Scottk
[14:29] <ScottK> It may not have been enough.
[14:29] <DktrKranz> ScottK: run windowsupdate, then. It may blow up in 14 seconds... 13... 12... ;)
[14:30] <ScottK> DktrKranz: I've done that.  3 reboots later I think I'm up to date.
[14:30] <lukehasnoname> I used Vista on Saturday to play Dawn of War and Counter Strike... It reminded me of a few complaints I have about Ubuntu's global hotkeys.
[14:30] <DktrKranz> "reboot after renaming files", good upgrade mechanism :)
[14:30] <lukehasnoname> But in the middle of a round of DoW it shut down for updates >_<
[14:30] <ScottK> lukehasnoname: I haven't used Windows in years.  It's only because I haven't gotten around to killing the Windows partition this laptop came with that I even have it at all.
[14:31] <tseliot> ﻿ScottK: I'm sorry for you ;)
[14:32] <lukehasnoname> TSEliot, could you look up on the screen a few messages back for my question?
[14:32] <ScottK> Client is paying, so we use his platform of choice ....
[14:33] <tseliot> ScottK: ah, ok
[14:34] <tseliot> ﻿lukehasnoname: yes, the stuff in -proposed has to be tested before it can enter the stable repository
[14:34] <sistpoty> lol, so getmailssh uses bugs, but doesn't use code. tststs. https://launchpad.net/getmailssh... "hm, I put these 5 bugs together into a new cool project"
[14:42] <Xand3r> now my package is uploaded, i am asking now vor a review, http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=screenie-qt
[14:44] <lukehasnoname> tseliot: One last thing: I'll have to look at what version the current nvidia-glx-new is based on,but I'm not sure if the problem was "no avilable driver for 8800M" or "Jockey didn't detect my card correctly". I'd think the former is true, but I don't know. Thanks for pointing to that link, though.
[14:45] <directhex> nvidia-glx-new in hardy has the 169.x driver
[14:45] <directhex> which misses support for about 20 devices
[14:45] <directhex> envy-ng gives access to the 173.x driver
[14:46] <lukehasnoname> mmk
[14:47] <tseliot> ﻿lukehasnoname: Jokey's compatibility list of cards is based on the module of the driver. If for example driver 169.12 doesn't support your card (geforce 8800) then Jockey will say that it can't find a driver for your card.
[14:50] <lukehasnoname> tseliot: that's what threw me though. IIRC, when I first tried Hardy, it said that it installed and enabled restricted nvidia drivers. However, upon restart, No 3d support was available and my res was stuck at 800x600. I then couldn't disable the driver in jockey.
[14:57] <tseliot> ﻿lukehasnoname: I think that driver 169.12 has a few card ids which are not really supported. This is why (I guess) Jockey let you install the nvidia driver the first time. Of course the driver didn't work but I would like to see why Jockey didn't enable you to remove the driver.
[14:58] <tseliot> ﻿lukehasnoname: I haven't looked at Jockey yet, however I have promised pitti that I will help him with this kind of stuff.
[14:59] <lukehasnoname> tseliot: I don't know. When I clicked the "Enable" button to uncheck it, nothing happened. I don't know; I'm fairly sure we're right about the 8800M just being wrongly identified by the driver.
[14:59] <lukehasnoname> and hopefully (probably) 173 will fix it. After all, in 173, 9500M drivers are present, so I'd assume 8 series mobile would be.
[14:59] <tseliot> ﻿lukehasnoname: yes, that should fix it
[15:03] <directhex> tseliot gets to do it all again with 177.x soon, what with the geforce gtx 280/260 reviews appearing
[15:06] <tseliot> ﻿directhex: that would require the introduction of a new flavour. I'll make sure that Jockey can handle this properly too.
[15:06] <directhex> if you're lucky, i might have a copy of the readme for 177.x, which would have a compat list. it's not a remotely final version though
[15:11] <directhex> or not, it seems they haven't updated the readme yet
[15:13] <tseliot> ﻿directhex: each driver will have its own package e.g. nvidia-modalias, nvidia-legacy-71xx-modalias, etc. which will contain the pci ids for the cards
[15:14] <tseliot> such ids are taken from the modules
[15:14] <tseliot> however we should also rely on a local (and eventually also on a remote) hardware database
[15:15] <tseliot> so that for example if a driver flavour works better with a certain card (despite what a driver module reports) we can install that through Jockey
[15:37] <lukehasnoname> I'm taking an A+ practice exam, and I think one of their questions is poorly worded.
[15:38] <lukehasnoname> It asserts that laptops generate more heat than desktops. I would say that they generate LESS heat, but dissipating it is more of a challenge.
[15:39] <directhex> most exams like that are poor
[15:40] <Pici> lukehasnoname: Thats not really on topic for here, perhaps ##hardware would be a better place
[15:40] <directhex> i can state, hand on heart, 100%, that a laptop does not & will not generate more heat than a desktop
[15:40] <directhex> and that's also true
[15:43] <bddebian> Heya gang
[15:46] <lukehasnoname> yo yo yo
[15:46] <Pici> boo?
[15:46] <norsetto> bleah
[15:47] <Pici> oh, I'm in the wrong channel ;)
[15:47] <bddebian> Heh :)
[15:47] <bddebian> Yeah, I try to scare the bugs away every morning :)
[16:39] <nhandler> I'm trying to submit a patch I made to Debian. I was trying to use 'submittodebian'. However, I always get this error "SMTP send failure: (110, 'Connection timed out')". Does anyone have any idea on how to fix this?
[16:54] <\sh> cu later...tonight for the SRU meeting at 21 UTC
[16:55]  * lukehasnoname waves
[16:57] <persia> nhandler: I tend to have limited success with that script.  You might try mailing the BTS directly.
[17:00] <nhandler> persia: This is the first patch I am submitting to debian. That is why I was trying to use submittodebian. I guess I'll try doing it manually.
[17:21] <geser> Laney: you can have the vegastrike merge
[17:22] <geser> nhandler: I use reportbug when I need to file new bugs in Debian (to attach patches)
[17:22] <nhandler> geser, Doesn't submittodebian use reportbug?
[17:27] <geser> I don't know
[17:28] <neurobuntu> can you tell a deb to run ldconfig after it installs itself?
[17:29] <persia> neurobuntu: Yes, just put the call in the postinst.
[17:29] <neurobuntu> ok thanks
[17:29] <persia> Be warned that lconfig is wrapped to run once at the conclusion of relevant installations: it is not safe to depend on having run ldconfig later in the postinst.
[17:32] <neurobuntu> sorry can you explain that a bit?
[17:45] <nhandler> When I submit a patch to Debian, should I include the change to the Maintainer field to make it comply with the DebianMaintainerField-Specification in the debdiff?
[17:48] <DktrKranz> nhandler: no. It is a Ubuntu specific change, Debian guys are not interested about our policy.
[18:02] <neurobuntu> when I run debuild to finally build my .deb I keep getting the following error: dpkg-genchanges: error: badly formed line in files list file, line 1
[18:02] <neurobuntu>       I get this error even when I delete file from debian/  does anybody know what this error means or how to fix it?
[18:38] <\sh> re
[18:50] <lukehasnoname> http://xkcd.com/416/ netcracker 0.0.2-0ubuntu1 heh
[19:21] <afflux> hi
[19:22] <afflux> bug 199600 seems to have been approved for SRU. Who is going to upload the fix to -proposed? Should I prepare a new debdiff and ask for sponsoring?
[19:27] <DktrKranz> afflux, I'll have a look at it shortly
[19:27] <afflux> thanks
[20:05] <DktrKranz> ScottK, dkim-milter verified and tagged accordingly.
[20:05] <ScottK> DktrKranz: Thanks.
[20:06] <DktrKranz> my pleasure
[20:12] <DktrKranz> afflux, I'm testing aptoncd. Since there's no hardy-proposed debdiff, I'll mangle intrepid one, I guess changes are the same.
[20:40] <DktrKranz> afflux, ACKed and sponsored. Thanks.
[20:50] <norsetto> DktrKranz aka Mr. motu-sru
[20:53] <ScottK> Meeting in 7 minutes, right?
[20:54] <DktrKranz> norsetto, not really... just one of them :)
[20:55] <DktrKranz> ScottK, wasn't it in a hour?
[20:55] <ScottK> Actually I think it is.
[20:59]  * LaserJock moves for a vote on ScottK's proposal :-)
[21:00] <ScottK> LaserJock: Thanks.
[21:00] <LaserJock> ScottK: the SRU meeting is in 1hr?
[21:00] <ScottK> Yes
[21:01] <LaserJock> k, I think I'll pop in
[21:03] <ryanakca> How can I use sbuild in conjunction with svn-buildpackage?
[21:07] <LaserJock> ryanakca: I think you probably need to tweak the svn-buildpackage builder variable
[21:07] <highvoltage> LaserJock!
[21:08] <LaserJock> uh oh
[21:19] <ryanakca> LaserJock: ah, yes, thanks :D
[21:19] <norsetto> is there a consensus that we need a consensus?
[21:22] <LaserJock> norsetto: not sure, but is there a consensus that we need a consensus to say that we need a consensus?
[21:22] <norsetto> LaserJock: I consent ...
[21:24] <LaserJock> norsetto: it seems we have a bit of a bootstrapping problem ;-)
[21:25] <norsetto> LaserJock: time to activate the kickstart ;-)
[21:26] <norsetto> LaserJock: have you heard from Daniel lately? I mean, Daniel Leidert
[21:26] <LaserJock> not a lot no
[21:26] <LaserJock> what's up?
[21:27] <norsetto> LaserJock: tried to send him a couple of emails and saw no answers
[21:28] <medo_> hello every body.
[21:28] <medo_> I need to download the chroot of intrepid
[21:29] <medo_> I used pbuilder create
[21:29] <medo_> to create a hardy environment then ran
[21:29] <medo_> pbuilder -ubdate -distribution intreoid
[21:30] <ryanakca> s/intreoid/intrepid/g :)
[21:30] <medo_> where I got few errors where it can't find some of the packages online
[21:30] <ryanakca> oh, nevermind ;)
[21:30] <medo_> am i doing something wrong
[21:30] <ryanakca> What distribution do you put if your storing packaging in a VCS but aren't ready to upload the package yet? UNRELEASED?
[21:30] <norsetto> medo_: why don't you just create an intrepid chroot?
[21:31] <norsetto> ryanakca: yes
[21:31] <ryanakca> norsetto: thanks :)
[21:31] <medo_> where can I find a guide for doing that?
[21:31] <medo_> sorry i'm still really new to all this
[21:31] <LinuxMonkey> hi all
[21:32] <norsetto> medo_: for a chroot: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot, for pbuilder: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[21:33] <medo_> norsetto: thank you very much
[21:33] <LaserJock> norsetto: what package did you email about?
[21:33] <norsetto> LaserJock: gelemental
[21:33] <Kopfgeldjaeger> medo_: the pbuilderrc stuff is somehow a bit tricky
[21:35] <LaserJock> norsetto: I thought I saw some stuff on gelemental go through the debichem list
[21:35] <LaserJock> norsetto: what are you looking for?
[21:36] <norsetto> LaserJock: I sent him a patch to make two dbg packages for libelemental and gelemental
[21:37] <LaserJock> norsetto: you could send them to the debichem list or attach them to a bug report
[21:37] <LaserJock> norsetto: I'm not sure of daniel is just busy or what
[21:39] <norsetto> LaserJock: don't know, the second one I asked him to tell me if he received it, so I guess he hasn't (or he is just ignoring me)
[21:40] <LaserJock> I doubt he's ignoring you :-)
[21:46] <afflux> DktrKranz: thanks for sponsoring ;)
[21:51] <sebner> no one can ignore norsetto xD
[21:51] <norsetto> sebner: must be my smell
[21:52] <LinuxMonkey> lol yeah i can smell him from canada
[21:52] <sebner> your tough smell that makes everybody fear you?
[21:54] <LinuxMonkey> apparently my chroot doesnt like me
[21:54] <DktrKranz> afflux, ;)
[21:54] <LinuxMonkey> trying to set one up for intrepid and keep running into brick walls.lol
[21:54] <DktrKranz> norsetto, it depends how many €uros you gave him to answer you
[21:56] <norsetto> DktrKranz: I even gave him a pre-paid envelope for the return mail!
[21:56] <Ekushey> i'm looking forward to package some fonts for ubuntu, can someone point me to a guide on it? i do not have any prior packaging experience.
[21:57] <DktrKranz> norsetto, a blank one?
[21:57] <norsetto> !packaging | Ekushey
[21:58] <norsetto> DktrKranz: hmmmm, now that you mention it, I think I could have forgotten to write my address on it
[21:59] <LaserJock> MOTU SRU meeting now?
[21:59] <TheMuso> Afaik yes.
[21:59] <geser> LinuxMonkey: if you have problems to create a intrepid chroot, you could create a hardy one and upgrade it to intrepid (depending on the problems you have)
[22:00] <Ekushey> norsetto, what does the pbuilder do? make binary packages?
[22:01] <norsetto> Ekushey: yes
[22:01] <Ekushey> norsetto, alright, thanks
[22:01] <LinuxMonkey> geser I create the base ok, its when i come to install i get a whole lot of exim errors, I was told to do apt-get purge exim-config to fix my issue but it seams to have created a whole bunch of others
[22:01] <norsetto> !pbuilder
[22:01] <norsetto> !chroot
[22:01] <norsetto> hmmmm
[22:02] <Ekushey> thanks
[22:03] <norsetto> Ekushey: my duty
[22:05] <Ekushey> norsetto, do you know of any guide that explains fonts packaging? the PackaginGuide looks too complicated to me!
[22:06] <norsetto> Ekushey: I don't think there is one, you may want to look at another font package to see how they did it
[22:07] <Ekushey> norsetto, can you point me to someone how can help on this?
[22:08] <norsetto> Ekushey: your best bet is to ask here as you are doing
[22:08] <Ekushey> i just want to make a deb package of 12 fonts so people can use them easily
[22:09] <Ekushey> i've no clue how complicated or easy it is... i'm not a developer
[22:16] <norsetto> Ekushey: for the time being, what you could do is file a [needs-packaging] bug in launchpad, adding all info needed to retrieve the fonts and their copyright and license
[22:17] <LinuxMonkey> in intrepid apt installs recommends by default, is there another command i should use instead of apt-get install wget debconf devscripts gnupg nano  as per the guide?
[22:17] <Ekushey> sounds good, thanks
[22:22] <geser> LinuxMonkey: do you don't want the recommends installed or what's wrong with apt-get?
[22:25] <LinuxMonkey> geser what happens, FRESH chroot, base installs fine, interpid,  apt-get install wget debconf devscripts gnupg nano, then get a whole bunch of errors regarding exim...
[22:25] <geser> LinuxMonkey: add --no-install-recommends to you apt-get call if you don't want recommends installed
[22:26] <LinuxMonkey> oh ok thanks geser, it just the recommends are broken at the moment from what i was told