[00:00] <asac> fta: what was your idea for providing extensibility for things like type=amo
[00:00] <asac> ?
[00:02] <fta> either values that are mini shell scripts, like in mozclient, or an API just calling binaries with a fixed list of arguments so those binaries could be in any language
[00:02] <Nafallo> woha. thunderbird seems nicer than evo :-P
[00:03] <asac> fta: debian bug 480796
[00:04] <asac> fta: right. i like the binary idea. can we find a good set of parameters for them?
[00:04] <asac> Nafallo: why?
[00:04] <asac> Nafallo: why do you recognize now :) ?
[00:05] <Nafallo> it's fast, the filters are more clever to setup, it seems very easy to use. the thing remaining would be how good the spam filter works.
[00:05] <fta> asac, i'm tired, i'm no longer thinking clearly, could we just write this down and continue later ?
[00:05] <Nafallo> asac: thought I might try it after reading a certain non-public thread ;-)
[00:06] <asac> yes, can you copy/paste the log somewhere? i think my irssi log is out-of-order right now :(
[00:06] <asac> ubuntulog: is there
[00:06] <asac> so there will be a log online tomorrow
[00:06] <asac> but better get a copy
[00:06] <fta> damn, my virtual machine is not booting, 5h lost
[00:06] <asac> ill try to get some basic text out of it
[00:06] <asac> fta: why not use virtual box?
[00:06] <asac> or are you trying other CPUs?
[00:07] <asac> Nafallo: should be the default :)
[00:07] <fta> i wanted to create an amd64 intrepid on my i386 intrepid
[00:07] <Nafallo> asac: there are to much missing to make it default now.
[00:07] <asac> Nafallo: there was a survey recently where thunderbird was the most used free-software mail-client
[00:07] <asac> with 50% of market share among all free clients
[00:08] <asac> Nafallo: does evo work out of the box with exchange setups here?
[00:08] <Nafallo> asac: yes.
[00:08] <asac> i mean mostly feature complete not just mail
[00:08] <asac> e.g. all the calendar stuff and so on
[00:08] <fta> asac, so i started with an amd64 hardy desktop iso. it fucked up at grub-isntall
[00:08] <Nafallo> asac: ah. I never tried that :-)
[00:08] <asac> Nafallo: just mail works with thunderbird
[00:09] <asac> Nafallo: my opinion is that every feature we are missing in thunderbird is not-important enough unless its out-of-the-box exchange calendaring support :)
[00:09] <Nafallo> asac: how about the common gnome backends? something we could put effort into?
[00:10] <asac> Nafallo: i agree that thunderbird could get better gnome integration
[00:11] <asac> Nafallo: i guess you are talking about evolution data server. what features does that thing provide?
[00:11] <Nafallo> asac: I'd say that we should put effort into working on that if that's what we want, cause I don't like the idea about changing core apps in any release other than right after a LTS :-)
[00:13] <Nafallo> asac: yea. we are. calendar (which I assume we would like to integrate easier with tbird), address books, memos and tasks.
[00:13] <Nafallo> that's the ones I can see.
[00:14] <Nafallo> I wonder if it wouldn't be better to make gnome integrate with tbird though...
[00:14] <asac> Nafallo: so how is calendar better integrated in the desktop? is it just that its somehow integrated with the gnome-panel calendar applet?
[00:15] <Nafallo> the clock-applet integrates with EDS
[00:15] <asac> Nafallo: otherwise i just see that evolution data server is a server to store calendaring data
[00:15] <asac> Nafallo: yeah ... so just the clock-applet. anything else?
[00:16] <Nafallo> hmm. I don't really use the calendar to be honest with you :-)
[00:16] <asac> yeah. i wonder who uses this feature that blocks tbird from default install :)
[00:16] <Nafallo> business people I'd recon :-/
[00:17] <asac> anyway. i'd say if its just clock applet we could make clock applet aware of ical standard so it can display whatever you manage with sunbird/lightning
[00:17] <Nafallo> what about openoffice and pidgin? I use neither of those :-)
[00:18] <Nafallo> the addressbook is clearly ekiga and pidgin. also gnome-control-center.
[00:18] <asac> how would pidgin integrate with eds?
[00:18] <asac> ah address book
[00:18] <asac> ok
[00:18] <Nafallo> automatic sync against the... yea
[00:19] <Nafallo> ekiga use EDS for it's addressbook OOTB
[00:19] <Nafallo> ooh. what about deskbar-applet?
[00:19] <asac> Nafallo: how comprehensible is eds API ?
[00:20] <Nafallo> wouldn't know. haven't poked those bits of the desktop for years :-)
[00:20] <Nafallo> I'd say we add an agenda item to the next desktop meeting.
[00:21] <Nafallo> raising the discussion in the right place :-)
[00:21] <asac> well ... better be well prepared for battle I'd say
[00:21] <Nafallo> and with seb and daniel around :-)
[00:22] <Nafallo> hehe. yes. but then again... it doesn't actually /have/ to be solved in intrepid ibex :-)
[00:23] <Nafallo> if we could I'd be happy to see it, but otherwise it's more likely to be specs for intrepid+1 :-/
[00:25] <asac> Nafallo: we have to do research first. there certainly must be discussion about EDS in thunderbird integration and there might be issues :)
[00:25] <asac> but maybe its that tbird devs just dont consider EDS a real standard
[00:26] <Nafallo> how about getting rid about EDS? can we have gnome use the mozilla stuff? would that be to hard?
[00:26] <Nafallo> s/about\ E/of\ E/
[00:27] <asac> Nafallo: well. mozilla doesnt ship servers around their data
[00:30] <asac> mozilla bug 410076
[00:30] <Nafallo> ehrm... my INBOX on my personal account has 2k mails in evo, 41.3k in tbird :-/
[00:30] <asac> mozilla bug 408158
[00:32] <asac> Nafallo: wrong count number?
[00:32] <Nafallo> nafallo@wizard:~$ evolution --force-shutdown
[00:32] <Nafallo> Shutting down evolution-data-server-2.22 (Evolution Calendar file and webcal backend / Evolution Addressbook file backend)
[00:32] <Nafallo> Shutting down evolution-alarm-notify (Evolution Calendar alarm notification service)
[00:33] <Nafallo> asac: different spamhandling :-P
[00:33] <asac> interesting
[00:33] <asac> webcal? doesnt lightning support webcal?
[00:33] <Nafallo> I rather have spam moved from the inbox, and evo apparently just mark it as spam and shows it in a virtual junk folder :-)
[00:33] <asac> Nafallo: yeah ;) ... so a filter :)
[00:34] <asac> Nafallo: most likely evolution hides it based on a header
[00:34] <asac> i think you can create virtual folders in thunderbird with filter criterias
[00:34] <asac> so you could do a simliar inbox-filtered-spam
[00:34] <Nafallo> I told it to move junk to Junk, so it's very unresponsive now ;-)
[00:34] <asac> Nafallo: you have to train tbird first
[00:35] <asac> unless you dont want to use bayes
[00:35] <Nafallo> I think it reads whatever Evo did to the spam :-)
[00:35] <Nafallo> looks like it got it right anyway.
[00:35] <asac> Nafallo: take care ;) ... not that it just looks like and it removes the wrong ones now
[00:36] <Nafallo> it will not remove, just move?
[00:36] <Nafallo> :-)
[00:36] <asac> yeah
[00:36] <asac> unless you configure it to remove directly
[00:36] <Nafallo>  9571 nafallo   20   0  740m 522m  17m S    8 53.8   1:46.80 thunderbird-bin
[00:36] <asac> not sure what the default is :-P
[00:36] <Nafallo> I configured it to move it to Junk. the default was to just mark it.
[00:37] <asac> ah
[00:37] <Nafallo> my god I get lots of spam :-/
[00:40] <Nafallo> at some point I'll have enough free memory to start firefox and read the URLs you linked :-)
[01:17] <Nafallo> hmm. thunderbird likes to eat A LOT of memory :-/
[01:18] <asac> Nafallo: compact your inbox
[01:18] <asac> that might free mem as well
[01:18] <asac> right click on folder and "compact folder ..."
[01:21] <Nafallo> seems I have to learn it a bit at a time, otherwise it just downloads messages until I get out of swap :-P
[01:22] <asac> Nafallo: hmm ... well. the learning is rather a one time thing
[01:23] <Nafallo> just that I have 40k mails to handpick from ;-)
[01:25] <asac> Nafallo: filter by spamassasin header
[01:25] <asac> then learn the complete folder :)
[01:25] <asac> ok i am off. have fun!
[01:25] <Nafallo> that would have been easier if I had actually ran spamassassin rather than bogofilter :-P
[01:26] <Nafallo> oki. see ya :-)
[10:12] <armin76> asac: do you remember the bug about the extensions always showing up as new?
[10:17] <asac> armin76: always as new?
[10:17] <asac> e.g. always popping up the dialog?
[10:19] <armin76> yup
[10:20] <asac> armin76: home on nfs mount or something?
[10:21] <armin76> nope
[10:21] <armin76> wasn't there a bug report somewhere?
[10:22] <armin76> oh, nvm
[10:22] <armin76> closing ff normally fixes it :P
[10:23] <asac> armin76: l00ser
[10:24] <armin76> haha
[10:24] <armin76> die :P
[12:52] <armin76> !info intrepid unspell
[12:52] <armin76> !info hunspell intrepid
[12:53] <armin76> asac: fta_: oh, i have a patch for hunspell-1.2
[12:54] <armin76> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo/src/patchsets/mozilla-firefox/3.0_rc1/100-system-hunspell-corrections.patch?view=markup
[12:55] <armin76> is not mine
[13:06] <asac> armin76: is that better than what we have?
[13:06] <asac> or does it tackle something else
[13:07] <asac> armin76: mozilla bug 429747
[13:14] <jbotscharow> hi all
[13:14] <asac> hi
[13:15] <jbotscharow> has the xubuntu-users mailing list been silent the last few days or am I having some sort of email isses?
[13:17] <jbotscharow> sorry in wrong tab, boy, is my face red!
[13:22] <asac> hehe
[13:24] <jbotscharow> go ahead, laugh at the poor newbie LOL I'm laughing too :-)
[13:52] <armin76> asac: no idea, works fine for me
[19:51] <fta> hi
[19:52] <fta> Jazzva, rhythmbox has the same problem as liferea :P
[19:58] <Jazzva> fta: Great... So does Pidgin window - if it's minimised, you're on another desktop, and someone sends you a message you won't be able to move it by clicking on the button
[19:58] <Jazzva> :)
[19:58] <fta> i don't use Pidgin
[19:59] <fta> deluge is affected too
[20:02] <Jazzva> yay... But I won't be able to look into it today and tomorrow. Now I'm coding linker for the assembler output :).
[20:16] <fta> :)
[20:23] <fta> stevel, hi, could you please tell me if there's a tag for songbird 0.6 in your svn ? or which exact revision i should pull ?
[20:25] <stevel> fta: the branch hasn't been pushed yet.... preed (our build/release eng) is stuck on an urgent issue trying to figure out why 0.5->0.6 builds are failing to go.  but it's next on his list of things to do
[20:25] <stevel> you can track http://bugzilla.songbirdnest.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10010 if you want an update
[20:25] <stevel> when we get it pushed
[20:26] <fta> stevel, ok, no ETA then?
[20:27] <stevel> fta: i'm hoping this week
[20:28] <fta> ok, thanks
[20:42] <psyke83> hi, is it possible to tweak/hack firefox or xulrunner so that it uses a *different* gtk theme to render widgets on websites? I'm working on the dark UbuntuStudio theme, and the dark widgets simply look out of place on most websites. If we could force Firefox to use widgets from a "light" theme such as Human or Human-Murrine it would completely solve our problem
[21:26] <gnomefreak> my sister and half sister will be here in the morning, so most of the week will be spent with them, i hope. but i will stop in everyday since they will be sleeping late.
[21:26] <gnomefreak> de.archive.ubuntu seems to be messed up for interpid
[21:27] <gnomefreak> main has md5sum issues
[21:58] <fta> psyke83, just read your pm, I don't use a dark theme. it's just that songbird guys hacked xul to better suits their needs for dark app theme. so it's a different xul dedicated to songbird.
[21:58] <psyke83> ah ;)
[21:58] <psyke83> too bad
[21:58] <gnomefreak> is packaging python the same as packaging any other package?
[21:59] <fta> gnomefreak, most of the time, no.
[21:59] <gnomefreak> :(
[22:00] <psyke83> fta: so there's no way to "coax" firefox to use a different gtkrc for widgets only on websites?
[22:01] <gnomefreak> brb have to fix term
[22:03] <fta> songbird hacked mozilla/layout/style/forms.css to import their style
[22:03] <fta> psyke83, ^^, like http://bugzilla.songbirdnest.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4080
[22:04] <fta> but we can't do that to the default xul
[22:05] <fta> i don't know if we can trick ff with a gtkrc
[22:06] <psyke83> fta, I would imagine it would require some xulrunner hacking, as we'd need to change the behaviour just for something like: "@-moz-document url-prefix(http), url-prefix(file)"
[22:07] <psyke83> (so as not to affect the appearance of the actual firefox interface)
[22:07] <psyke83> anyway thanks for the link!
[22:22] <gnomefreak> anyone with gmail having STMP issues?
[22:23] <gnomefreak> with Tbird-2
[22:25] <gnomefreak> seems to be IMAp+Tbird issue
[22:38] <gnomefreak> i dont like broken mail. is there a way to change IMAP to POP in Tbird without removing account and re making it?
[22:44] <gnomefreak> fta: did you do anything related to bookmarks in latest firefox-3 in your PPA?
[22:45] <fta> nope
[22:45] <fta> btw, intrepid is now ahead of my ppa
[22:46] <fta> oh, maybe not
[22:48] <gnomefreak> nope yours is ahead
[22:49] <gnomefreak> it added some of the orig. bookmarks back to my bookmarks item, the ones that say get bookmark addons and mozilla bookmarks recently bookmarked ect..
[22:49] <gnomefreak> so now i have 2 atleast of each of those
[22:54] <Jazzva> So, RC2 is actually final version for us, right?
[22:58] <fta> yep, it's equiv to final, same sources
[22:58] <Jazzva> Cool :)
[23:15] <gnomefreak> asac: you around? bug 239826 seems to be a site issue on Mozilla servers not really a bug in package. can you please confirm and close as you wish or leave open and reply to my post about asking you.
[23:19] <asac> gnomefreak: looking
[23:19] <gnomefreak> asac: thanks
[23:20] <asac> gnomefreak: upstream bug is linked?
[23:20] <gnomefreak> asac: yes
[23:20] <asac> ok all fine then
[23:20] <gnomefreak> ok
[23:28] <asac> fta: you use ifupdown to manager network right?
[23:28] <asac> how do you configure dns name if you have static config in /etc/network/interfaces?
[23:29] <Nafallo> asac: can be done by installed some extra package I can't remember what it's called...
[23:29] <fta> asac, /etc/hosts
[23:29] <asac> fta: /etc/hosts? you mean /etc/resolv.conf?
[23:29] <Nafallo> resolvconf - nameserver information handler
[23:30] <fta> resolv.conf for dns servers, but /etc/hosts for anything else
[23:30] <asac> fta: yeah my question is about dns ;)
[23:31] <fta> then resolv.conf
[23:32] <asac> fta: dont understand that :( .... i mean you want to configure everything in /etc/network/interfaces?
[23:32] <fta> why ? i don't have any dns stuff in /etc/network/interfaces
[23:33] <asac> fta: but you have static ips?
[23:33] <fta> yes
[23:33] <asac> most likely you just have one interface then
[23:33] <asac> and dont roam
[23:33] <fta> indeed, my desktops don't roam :)
[23:33] <asac> what does resolvconf do?
[23:33] <asac> the package i mean
[23:34] <fta> i don't have it
[23:34] <Nafallo> can't remember exactly how it worked, but I know you can set dnses inside interfaces and have it just update automagically
[23:42] <asac> Nafallo: hmm. ok
[23:58] <asac> dns-nameservers :/
[23:58] <asac> dns-nameserver