[00:15] <android6011> i am looking for some guidance in being able to create a php page that allows me to read from an external imap mailbox, how can I allow php to read imap mailboxes?
[00:16] <InsomniaCity> have you asked #php?
[01:03] <LeChacal> i need to copy files to a from my server remotely from a windows machine, i use putty to ssh in and do thing. I was looking at filezilla for copying files, is that good program and it looks like i just have to have ssh installed on the server to use it, is that right?
[01:04] <owh> LeChacal: On the same LAN, or across the Internet?
[01:05] <LeChacal> owh: accross the internet
[01:06] <owh> LeChacal: On your server to install ssh you will need to install openssh-server, there is also an ssh client/server available for Windows if you want to stay within ssh. I'm not familiar with filezilla.
[01:07]  * owh is just trying to find the name of the Windows client/server for you.
[01:08] <LeChacal> owh: filezilla will use ssh you just have to do some set up
[01:08] <owh> LeChacal: Well, then you're ready to go.
[01:09] <LeChacal> owh: let me ask you then how would you copy files to a server across the Internet from a normal ubuntu i just use scp now. is there something better or i should use differnt?
[01:09] <owh> scp is the "same" as ssh.
[01:10] <owh> (same, as in, it uses ssh to get the data across.)
[01:11] <LeChacal> owh: i knew read that in the scp man files, so you are saying just stick with scp then?
[01:11] <owh> Yup
[01:11] <LeChacal> owh: ok will do that thank you.
[01:12]  * owh actually uses rsync over ssh for keeping things synchronised.
[01:12] <owh> But for a straight copy, scp is just fine.
[01:13] <LeChacal> i do just more strait copying of picture and files synchronizing would be a waste i think
[01:13] <owh> Well, rsync will only copy the changed parts, so if you are copying mostly the same structure across, it will be faster than scp.
[01:15] <LeChacal> maybe i will look into rsync then
[01:15] <owh> It really depends on your actual needs,  but quick and dirty, scp is the tool.
[01:45] <stacman> i've want to set up a raid-5 array with MDADM.  I have 3 500gb drives and 2 250gb drives.  Is it possible/advisable to assemble the 2 250gb drives in RAID-0 and present them to mdadm as the "fourth" 500gb drive?
[03:07] <Baron1984> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5194590#post5194590
[04:09] <labsgraphica> I'm getting 404's when running apt-get update on a server running 6.10
[04:13] <bimberi> labsgraphica: 6.10 is no longer supported.
[04:16] <labsgraphica> OK, my goal for tonight was upgrade to Hardy, but I dont have update-manager-core
[04:21] <bimberi> hm, finding the 6.10 version of update-manager-core could be interesting
[04:22] <labsgraphica> yeah, my understanding is I have to go edgy -> feisty -> gutsy -> hardy
[04:24] <lukitas> hola alguien podra ayudarme
[04:24] <bimberi> labsgraphica: yes that's right
[04:24] <lukitas> quiero montar un server de open arena
[04:25] <labsgraphica> but, I'm not sure how to progress without update-manager-core
[04:25] <labsgraphica> unless im overlooking something
[04:26] <hads> Try installing the package and see what version it's trying to find. Then you may be able to find it on a mirror somewhere.
[04:32] <flyback> is there any way to script kickstart
[04:33] <flyback> that instead of like starting to install packages etc
[04:33] <flyback> mount a remote fs, and dd a disk image to hd
[04:33] <flyback> with ubuntu
[04:33] <flyback> cause so far it's the only kernel that boots properly on the headless blades we have
[04:40]  * flyback bbl
[04:42] <bimberi> labsgraphica: From what I can tell, 0.56~edgy5 was the latest version.  Googling for  update-manager-core_0.56~edgy5_all.deb  has plenty of hits.
[04:44] <labsgraphica> yeah, did that. had some dependancies. I was told I could edit my source list (changing edgy to feisty) and then run  apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:47] <bimberi> labsgraphica: You'll probably find the dependencies on the same mirror.
[04:49] <bimberi> labsgraphica: Yes that (update, dist-upgrade) might work.  If the server is non-critical and I had good backups, I'd be happy trying it.
[04:51] <labsgraphica> yes, its a VPS, have a few recent snapshots. update, dist-upgrade appeared to work
[04:51] <bimberi> cool :)
[04:54] <labsgraphica> yeah. now onto gutsy, then hardy
[05:22]  * flyback bites slicslak 
[05:22] <flyback> CANUCK
[05:22] <flyback> CANUCK
[07:31] <AnAnt> Hello, what's the difference between ecryptfs-utils & encfs ?
[07:42] <hads> ecryptfs and encfs are two different products
[07:46] <AnAnt_> ok, but both do same thing at the end, right ?
[07:46] <AnAnt_> except encfs is FUSE
[07:55] <hads> Yes encfs is based on fuse and ecryptfs isn't. And they do both do similar things yes.
[08:03] <AnAnt_> ok, thanks
[08:21] <spiekey> hi
[08:21] <spiekey> is there a way to find out what type of RAM i have got (DDR-XX) ?
[08:21] <spiekey> my Server is like 200miles away :-/
[08:22] <kraut> moin
[08:22] <spiekey> moin :)
[08:25] <kshah> Heron (+gnome) is freezing when I connect my external HDD via eSATA, can someone suggest anything? I'm sorry to ask this here, but the main channel is a mess
[09:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> spiekey, look up the motherboard online?
[09:27] <RockHound> hi everyone ... I have noticed wierd behavior of the php5-ldap module in regards to "start tls" on 8.04 ... I am no newby in this field but ever since I switched from gentoo to 8.04, I have sporadic failures of the start_tls() funktion calls. Is the module faulty and how might I debug this?
[10:32] <captbaritone> Would someone who does not mind me seeing their ip address go to a website of mine so I can see if external ip logging is working? (p.s. can I type my link in here without getting banned?)
[10:33] <hads> captbaritone: Shouldn't be an issue.
[10:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> captbaritone, you can paste it here if its part of a help request
[10:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> captbaritone, and your welcome to my ip (its dynamic)
[10:33] <captbaritone> okay: http://www.classicalcode.com/music/
[10:34] <captbaritone> just a click on that should tell me if logging is working
[10:34] <hads> Done
[10:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> loaded
[10:34] <captbaritone> works :)
[10:34] <captbaritone> thanks!
[10:34] <hads> np
[10:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) \o/
[11:06] <RockHound> anyone else here use php5-ldap?
[11:06] <RockHound> without a hitch, I must add
[11:39]  * flyback had another dream about a girl in hs he liked 15-16 yrs ago and wonders how long he's going to be tortured :(
[12:07] <zul> morning
[12:23] <r4f> hello...
[12:26] <sommer_> zul: happy monday!
[12:32] <r4f> thankyou... I have a question, after one has installed the server edition, is there any graphical (eg. webbased) entry into the server from another box?
[12:32] <r4f> I am thinking of a graphical controlpanel of the server
[12:32] <hads> Not by default
[12:32] <zul> sommer_: meh :)
[12:32] <r4f> is there one, you can install from the package rep ?
[12:33] <hads> I think maybe ebox or something. I'm not sure - I don't use any.
[12:34] <r4f> hads: so if you want to install another user for you mail-server and another mail-box, you just use the console?
[12:35] <hads> Sure
[12:35] <r4f> hmm... it's good I guess, but would be nicely with a little user-friendly gui :D hehe
[13:36] <spiekey> hey... :)
[13:36] <spiekey> what do they mean with max memory capacity here? http://www.asrock.com/manual/P4i65G.pdf
[13:36] <spiekey> 2GB per slot or together?
[13:51] <ScottK> zul: Do we have any remaining changes in apache2?  Reading your last debian/changelog entry it would seem not.
[13:52] <zul> ScottK: nope just the maintainer field change
[13:52] <ScottK> zul: Then why didn't you sync it?
[13:52] <zul> ScottK: because I havent had any coffee yet
[13:52] <ScottK> Ah.
[14:03] <youngmusic> hey, is there a channel for heartbeat questions?
[14:04] <youngmusic> ok, found it :-)
[14:15] <spiekey> could maybe someone check out this moderboard pdf for me? :)
[14:15] <spiekey> i am nut quite sure
[15:08] <spiekey> soren: you there? :)
[15:15] <lukehasnoname> spiekey: He's never there.
[15:16] <spiekey> how come?
[15:16] <spiekey> i always has been
[15:57] <eclipse_mint> hi, i am looking to install ubuntu on a computer that has no monitor (but has a CD Drive). I only have a laptop. How do I go about installing ubuntu server on it remotely to make it a webserver? can someone link me to a guide?
[16:11] <draco2002> Any know a file replication/syncing system that can handle 4million files? rysnc just can't cut it. Been looking around at distributed filesystems and things like that but nothing has jumped out as a viable solution.
[16:24] <lukehasnoname> eclipse_mint: I think you need a monitor to at least install the OS. draco2002: I have no idea.
[16:27] <draco2002> lukehasnoname: thanks
[16:48] <melter> i have a hard drive with no partitions; when i add 1 partition, the rest of the free space is labeled as "unusable"; does anyone know why?
[16:54] <mthode> can anyone teach me what a line means in a zone fine?
[17:00] <zul> mathiaz: did you have any problems uploading openldap2.3?
[17:01] <mathiaz> zul: nope - it was accepted
[17:01] <zul> mathiaz: cool
[17:13] <nealmcb> a media streaming organization I work with is currently using serverbeach for hosting a debian server.  they don't (yet?) seem to offer ubuntu.  what other similar (i.e. inexpensive, high-bandwidth) hosting organizations are supporting hardy?
[17:15] <mathiaz> zul: re bug 240353 - why did you set it to incomplete ?
[17:40] <ScottK> nealmcb: You want a dedicated box?
[17:40] <nealmcb> yeah
[17:41] <ScottK> softlayer.com was recommended to me by someone I trust.  I leased a server there a few weeks ago.  So far really good.
[17:41] <ScottK> Urgh.  Where 'few' == 1.
[17:52] <zul> mathiaz: must have hit something when I was writing it
[18:11] <nealmcb> ScottK: thanks - looks like they have a lot of nice features, and not too much more cost.
[18:12] <ScottK> nealmcb: And you've got complete root access to the box.  Just make sure you understand their customizations before you fire up your standard firewall script.  They also enable root by default.
[18:31] <lukehasnoname> props ScottK for the luke
[18:31] <lukehasnoname> ACK
[18:31] <lukehasnoname> softlayer link
[19:01] <Flare183> Can I run Ubuntu Server on a old computer?
[19:06] <lukehasnoname> how old
[19:11] <Flare183> umm, it has Windows 98 on it now.
[19:13] <lukehasnoname> The server probably couldn't take a heavy load
[19:13] <lukehasnoname> but for simple stuff, it could be a useful box.
[19:14] <Flare183> ok
[19:32] <kirkland> zul: ping
[19:32] <kirkland> zul: regarding Bug #203169
[19:32] <zul> yep
[19:32] <zul> gimme a sec
[19:32] <kirkland> zul: i don't think that bug should be marked fixed
[19:33] <kirkland> zul: oh, wait, maybe i misunderstood your comment....
[19:33] <kirkland> zul: are you giving the green light to go off and fix the other initscripts now, to use the function?
[19:33] <zul> kirkland: debian accepted your patch for apache at least
[19:34] <zul> kirkland: no green light here :)
[19:34] <kirkland> zul: ah, gotcha, so you marked just the apache2 one "fix released"
[19:34] <kirkland> zul: i see now
[19:35] <kirkland> zul: okay, perhaps Onno can update his patches and make another push, now that we have our function in the lsb-functions file sourced
[19:35] <kirkland> zul: thanks.
[19:36] <zul> kirkland: no problem
[19:36] <kirkland> zul: ta
[19:56] <zul> mathiaz: any update on the sni stuff?
[20:38] <nealmcb> Re: my serverbeach question: they just responded that "We are not currently offering Unbuntu, we should be offering this by end of year unless our road map is changed."  Hopefully their techs can spell better than their account managers :)
[20:39] <cxo> Whats wrong with VIM?
[20:39] <cxo> it gives me an error when i try to turn on syntax highlighting
[20:39] <cxo> its like broken or something....
[20:41] <nealmcb> cxo: you'll have to provide a lot more info there - version, release, and exactly what errors you're seeing
[20:41] <Deeps> do you have vim-full installed, or vim-tiny?
[20:41] <nealmcb> Deeps: good point....
[20:42] <mathiaz> zul: last time I looked into that, the sni patch wasn't good
[20:42] <crackintosh> Is there a list of companies that provide ubuntu server hosting? I could do debian, but my office machines are ubuntu and I would like to keep the same linux vendor
[20:42] <cxo> looks like i dont even have vim installed, i got something called vim-tiny
[20:42] <Deeps> vim-tiny is precisely that, tiny
[20:42] <cxo> nealmcb, fixed it, by installing vim, instead of vim-tiny
[20:42] <mathiaz> zul: there was issues with the code that may have been fixed in 2.4 but not backported to 2.2
[20:42] <nealmcb> cxo: great
[20:42] <zul> mathiaz: coolio
[20:43] <nealmcb> cxo: and note that there has been discussion of shipping with a fuller version of vim in future ubuntu server releases - I forget the outcome
[20:44] <cxo> whats the effective footprint?
[20:44] <nealmcb> not sure
[20:44] <cxo> i know people like the server install to be minimal...
[20:48] <LMJ> hello the chan
[20:58] <cxo> Is there a yum groupinstall "Development Tools" for ubuntu?
[20:58] <lukehasnoname> Someone asked that a few days ago, this should be in a FAQ perhaps
[20:59] <lukehasnoname> I can't answer that
[20:59] <cxo> its a very typical thing a dev from the redhat/fedora world looks for
[20:59] <jussi01> cxo: what do you mean by development tools?
[21:00] <jussi01> !info build-essential
[21:00] <cxo> some basics, gcc, m4, lex, yacc, make, autoconf, automake etc...
[21:01] <jussi01> cxo: the package build-essential is what you are after methinks
[21:01] <jussi01> most of the basics for compiling etc are in there
[21:01] <cxo> yeah, i'm installing it now
[21:01] <jussi01> :)
[21:02] <cxo> i wonder if yum can be used in conjunction with .deb stuff
[21:03] <lukehasnoname> It's recommended to stick with Ubuntu's packages
[21:03] <lukehasnoname> when possible
[21:04] <cxo> well yeah, just the interface i meant
[21:07] <lukehasnoname> hm
[21:11] <a13x> i have via vt6421 fake raid card.  after running dmraid -ay (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto) i cant boot, "mount: Mounting /dev/sda1 on /root failed: Device or resource busy"
[21:11] <a13x> anybody have any idea whats wrong?
[21:11] <cxo> Is fake raid the same as software raid?
[21:12] <a13x> no, there is a fake raid card
[21:12] <cxo> oh i just read that link
[21:13] <cxo> kinda weird how its called "fake"
[21:13] <cxo> the hardware does the striping, so it shouldnt be called fake
[21:16] <a13x> fake because drivers in the kernel are doing the work
[21:17] <a13x> anybody have any idea what is wrong with my system?
[21:18] <a13x> oh, interesting, i have new devices, /dev/via_bdhgjaabba1, ...
[21:19] <cxo> cat /proc/partitions
[21:21] <a13x> sda, sda1, ... sdb, sdb1,..., dm-1, dm-2
[21:21] <a13x> dm-0
[21:21] <a13x> now how do i boot from (initramfs) prompt from /dev/via...?
[21:22] <cxo> could you explain your partition/boot setup?
[21:22] <a13x> one raid card
[21:22] <a13x> 2 sata hard drives
[21:23] <a13x> everything installed on sda1 (/) sda5 (swap)
[21:23] <a13x> boot record on sda
[21:24] <a13x> initramfs is booting from sda1
[21:24] <a13x> but it is busy (i am guessing due to fakeraid)
[21:24] <a13x> after running dmraid
[21:24] <cxo> do you need to init the raid before you mount the rootfs?
[21:25] <cxo> you could just juggle around the stuff in your initrd
[21:25] <a13x> rootfs on sda1 can't be mounted because it says its busy
[21:25] <cxo> extract the initrd and play around with it
[21:25] <a13x> ok, right now i am at (initramfs) boot screen
[21:26] <cxo> initramfs boot screen? whats that?
[21:26] <a13x> sorry, boot prompt
[21:26] <cxo> grub boot prompt?
[21:26] <a13x> boot loader start booting, then it says it can't boot because it cant mount  sda1
[21:27] <a13x> and (initramfs) prompt came up
[21:27] <a13x> now,
[21:27] <cxo> oh thats just /bin/sh i think
[21:27] <a13x> i mounted new (fakeraid?) /dev/via_b...a1
[21:27] <a13x> and it has my file sistem
[21:28] <a13x> system
[21:28] <cxo> i thought sda1 has your rootfs?
[21:28] <a13x> yes
[21:28] <a13x> but it is now BUSY
[21:28] <a13x> my guess is by fakeraid driver
[21:28] <a13x> how do i boot into the sys from the new device
[21:29] <a13x> (my guess) it has the same file system on it
[21:29] <cxo> sorry, i think i
[21:29] <cxo> i'm confused, you have 2 rootfs?
[21:29] <cxo> one on sda1 and one on the fakeraid?
[21:29] <a13x> fakeraid created a new device
[21:29] <a13x> virtual device
[21:29] <cxo> yes
[21:30] <a13x> which (my guess) is the actual thing that i need to use (za raid)
[21:30] <cxo> how big is sda1?
[21:30] <a13x> sda1 is busy (obviously, because it is mounted with sdb1 to fakeraid into the new device via_...a1)
[21:31] <a13x> why does it matter, 100 gbs
[21:31] <a13x> now, i have already mounted via_...a1
[21:31] <cxo> oh... sda1 and sdb1 make up your fake raid?
[21:31] <a13x> and i can see my filessystem
[21:31] <a13x> that is my guess, correct
[21:31] <cxo> duh that makes sense
[21:32] <a13x> the question is how do i resume the booting but now from the new device?
[21:32] <cxo> you have to tell the "init" script in the initrd not to mount /dev/sda1 as rootfs but /dev/via-blahblah/fakeraid
[21:32] <cxo> chroot into it
[21:32] <cxo> and init 3
[21:33] <cxo> a13x, mount /dev/fakeraid /sysimage ; chroot /sysimage ; init 3
[21:33] <a13x> mounted it into /root, running chroot /root
[21:33] <a13x> the system is frozen
[21:33] <a13x> let me retry
[21:33] <darthmarth37|Wk> Is there a guide on how to create a local mirror without using apt-mirror?
[21:34] <cxo> dont use /root it may not like that, try another folder name </guess>
[21:35] <lukehasnoname> darthmarth37|Wk: Why not use apt-mirror? Just curious
[21:35] <darthmarth37|Wk> The server runs rhel.
[21:36] <lukehasnoname> touché
[21:36] <a13x> cxo: chroot gets frozen
[21:36] <lukehasnoname> apt-mirror is open source. You could compile it and it would run correctly, I believe. Pure speculation
[21:36] <cxo> a13x, better still, fix the problem
[21:36] <cxo> a13x, mount your rootfs somewhere, extract the initrd and fix the init script
[21:37] <a13x> i see, good idea
[21:38] <a13x> is there any good walkthrough anywhere on how to do that?
[21:38] <darthmarth37|Wk> To make matters more interesting, I would ideally like to only mirror one architecture, although judging by archive.ubuntu.com's directory layout it looks like it's difficult to do.
[21:38] <darthmarth37|Wk> It's worth a shot to try it locally, I guess.
[21:39] <cxo> a13x, the initrd.img is basically a bzipped or gzipped cpio archive, so first copy it to initrd.img.bz2 and bunzip it, then use cpio to extract it, inside you will file a script called "init" there you will remove the attempt to mount sda1 with your fakeroot
[21:41] <darthmarth37|Wk> Now that I think about it, using apt-mirror at all would probably be a bad idea since I'm trying to mirror it using cobbler.
[21:44] <a13x> i am guessing i will have to copy sda1 into sdb1 after updating it
[21:44] <a13x> (raid 1)
[21:44] <cxo> ? that doesnt make sense
[21:44] <a13x> sdb1 is supposed to be a copy of sda1, right?
[21:45] <cxo> yes, but not like you think
[21:45] <a13x> what do you mean?
[21:45] <cxo> you write the filesystem on top of the dmraid, not directly to disk
[21:45] <sayotte> actually
[21:46] <sayotte> how do you attach a second disk to an md mirror that was created with one disk "missing" ?
[21:46] <a13x> i can't do much in the (initramfs) prompt
[21:46] <cxo> sayotte, there is an example in the man page
[21:46] <sayotte> for mdadm?
[21:47] <a13x> cxo, i have to start from live cd, where fakeraid is not available
[21:47] <a13x> but maybe i can make it available temporarily
[21:47] <cxo> dont try and access the disk independently
[21:48] <cxo> sayotte, mdadd or hotadd or something like that...
[21:48] <cxo> a13x, can you show me the exact command you use to mount your fakeraid device ?
[21:49] <a13x> i installed the system from scratch
[21:49] <a13x> installed dmraid
[21:49] <a13x> sudo dmraid -ay
[21:49] <a13x> reboot
[21:50] <a13x> crash into (initramfs)
[21:50] <cxo> yeah i could have guessed
[21:51] <cxo> fakeraid isnt built into the ubuntu kernel?
[21:51] <a13x> i have no idea, this is my first time dealing with raid at all
[21:51] <cxo> oh
[21:52] <cxo> in this shell init dropped you into, how do you access your drives?
[21:53] <a13x> well, i tried mounting /dev/sda1
[21:53] <a13x> it said it was busy
[21:53] <a13x> then i realized that maybe the raid is working, so i ls /dev/mapper
[21:54] <cxo> cat /proc/mdstat
[21:54] <a13x> and there was via_..a, via_..a1, via_..a5
[21:54] <cxo> pastebin the output, or if its not more than 3 or 4 lines, throw it into irc
[21:54] <a13x> i already booted into livecd
[21:54] <cxo> oh, i wonder if the livecd kernel has support for fakeraid
[21:55] <a13x> i just ran dmraid
[21:55] <a13x> worked fine (i had to apt-get it)
[21:55] <cxo> nevertheless, try the cat command i gave you
[21:56] <a13x> no such file
[21:57] <a13x> mapper doesn't have the devices
[21:57] <cxo> then the kernel on the livecd doesnt have support
[21:57] <cxo> try and use the primitive shell that initrd gives you
[21:58] <cxo> i will try and walk you through it
[21:58] <a13x> actually, the same happened with the installed system, that is why i rebooted
[21:58] <a13x> rebooting...
[22:00] <cxo> so you installed your system onto /dev/sda1? and you tried to mirror it with sdb1 after installing the fakeraid driver?
[22:00] <a13x> there is no /proc/mdstat file at (initramfs) prompt
[22:01] <cxo> lsmod | grep md
[22:02] <a13x> actually, i did multiple installs & tries, (and i didn't mirror it the last time i reinstalled, which i should have, but it takes forever)
[22:03] <a13x> no lsmod either
[22:04] <a13x> there are two things i can do: 1. first mirror, then fix init; 2. fix init, see if this works, mirror
[22:05] <cxo> are you following the guide you posted?
[22:05] <a13x> not really, because it is for separate raid
[22:06] <a13x> i have the system installed on the drives that i am trying to set up raid for
[22:06] <jdstrand> zul, mathiaz: wasn't there a samba bug about it only listing some folders/files in a directory?
[22:06] <jdstrand> (hardy)
[22:06] <cxo> you cannot do that
[22:07] <cxo> you cannot install stuff to a drive, then suddenly create a raid1 with it
[22:07] <a13x> really?
[22:07] <cxo> the guide you posted is pretty correct
[22:07] <cxo> follow it verbatim
[22:07] <a13x> the guide doesn't work because after i run dmraid it doesn't create device in mapper
[22:08] <cxo> which part of the guide
[22:09] <a13x> i am trying to install ubuntu server
[22:09] <a13x> the first step is off base
[22:09] <zul> jdstrand: yep its fixed in hardy-updates now I think
[22:09] <a13x> cxo: however, i could do it in text mode i guess
[22:10] <jdstrand> zul: do you happen to remember the low end of that number. eg, it would show 100, but not 150?
[22:10] <a13x> but i think i will hit the same problem
[22:10] <zul> gimme a sec
[22:11] <zul> 200 I think
[22:11] <jdstrand> zul: ok thanks
[22:11] <jdstrand> zul: I am adding some checks to test-samba.py and want to make sure I am up high enough :)
[22:12] <cxo> the guide makes you install a very basic system onto a small partition on your system, it then makes you setup the fakeraid, and then gets you to copy your minimal system onto it, which you can then boot into and continue
[22:13] <a13x> cxo: how do i install ubuntu server on a fakeraid
[22:13] <a13x> there is no apt-get to get dmraid
[22:13] <a13x> no dmraid
[22:13] <a13x> (in installation console)
[22:14] <cxo> the kernel that the installer uses my support fakeraid for you to install directly to it
[22:15] <cxo> i'm not really a ubuntu user so i'm not sure of the details, on fedora its rather trivial
[22:15] <a13x> i don't think so
[22:15] <cxo> s/my/must
[22:16] <cxo> the fedora installer (anaconda) allows you to setup raid during install, and i'm sure the ubuntu installer allows the same, but whether it support fakeraid in particular i'm not sure
[22:17] <a13x> dmraid command is not availabe in the installer
[22:17] <cxo> but like the guide says, it is better to use regular software raid if you are not using a dual boot
[22:17] <a13x> ubuntu server installer
[22:17] <a13x> with regular raid, i read, you need to type commands to replace a hard drive
[22:17] <a13x> i would like to make it work on its own
[22:18] <a13x> s/regular/linux
[22:18] <cxo> i doubt the fakeraid will allow that
[22:18] <cxo> unless there is some acpi event being sent from the bus
[22:19] <a13x> i suspected that, however, i will try it out
[22:19] <a13x> the fakeraid card is supposedly ran by its driver
[22:19] <a13x> so, it is very possible
[22:21] <cxo> i wouldnt waste my time with the fakeraid
[22:21] <cxo> linux raid is so much easier to setup and use, and will give you the same performance
[22:21] <cxo> and perhaps better reliability
[22:22] <a13x> i scoff at linux raid
[22:22] <a13x> and software raid in general
[22:22] <cxo> i actually think linux raid is better than hw raid
[22:23] <a13x> what if something goes wrong?
[22:23] <cxo> in what sense?
[22:23] <a13x> a bug?
[22:24] <cxo> its been around for a decade
[22:24] <cxo> its a standard, unlike hw raid, which has no standard
[22:24] <a13x> i don't know, it feels kind of unsafe
[22:24] <cxo> i'd trust linux soft raid over a hw raid controller any day, because i can replace the kernel, but replacing the raid card is not that easy
[22:25] <Brazen> linux raid is problem the most stable, high-quality raid there is.
[22:25] <cxo> s/problem/probably
[22:25] <Brazen> *probably
[22:25] <Brazen> yes, thanks
[22:25] <a13x> if i swap out a drive i will have to type commands
[22:26] <cxo> a13x, if you are using hw raid, what do you do if the raid controller dies one day?
[22:26] <a13x> replace?
[22:26] <cxo> you will need the exact same model and bios
[22:26] <cxo> do you think you will be able to find it?
[22:27] <a13x> i am newbe to raid, but if i understand this correctly, i can use any other card (in case of raid 1)
[22:27] <a13x> mirroring
[22:28] <cxo> raid1 might be the special case, but i'm not 100% sure about that
[22:29] <cxo> actually i dont think it is, because the raid meta header might be different across controllers
[22:29] <a13x> there is no stripping, so there is only one way to do it
[22:29] <mstrobert> Does Ubuntu Server use the same repository as Ubuntu (Desktop)? If I manually debootstrap and install only packages from the main Ubuntu repository that are also used by Ubuntu Server, will those packages receive security updates for the 5 years of the LTS Server support life?
[22:30] <mathiaz> mstrobert: yest
[22:30] <mstrobert> mathiaz: Great, thanks.
[22:33] <Brazen> mstrobert: just make sure you also get the server kernel, instead of the desktop kernel.
[22:36] <mstrobert> Brazen: Yes, thank you. Though in this case it will be a vserver guest, and thus share the host's kernel which will be updated separately.
[23:38] <a13x> according to this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto ; i should be able to access /dev/mapper/via_* after running dmraid -ay
[23:39] <a13x> that is not the case
[23:40] <a13x> does anyone have ideas how to make it work?
[23:44] <a13x> how do i use cpio with initrd.img?
[23:54] <zul> jdstrand: coolio