[01:35] <pwnguin> well ive assumed it was on the way, but i never saw any actual blueprint or anything for it
[11:39] <Q-FUNK> hmm... I just noticed:  actually, briceg's package for -nsc doesn't intorduce the -dbg package.  for everything else, yes, his package supercedes what we have in intrepid.
[11:48] <tseliot> tjaalton: please try my PPA when you can. I have fixed the bugs reported by superm1. There's no hurry though.
[11:53] <tjaalton> tseliot: ok, I'll check them out tomorrow when I'm back home. GPRS is too slow ;)
[12:00] <unggnu> hi all
[12:00] <unggnu> I guess -intel driver 2.3.1 doesn't make it as a backport to Hardy?
[12:02] <tseliot> ﻿tjaalton: ok ;)
[12:03] <unggnu> So I can close a bug as Fixed released if it is fixed in Intrepid and post the link to the 2.3.1 driver for Hardy from bryce?
[12:19] <Q-FUNK> tjaalton: would you have time to look at bug #240349 ?
[12:20] <Q-FUNK> and ﻿bug #240345   - for this one, I just noticed that bgoglin's package doens't have the -dbg target which mine has.
[14:25] <m-c> Is there an Ubuntu package that I can try the open source AMD/ATI drivers that are being developed based on the recently released specifications?
[14:25] <m-c> Or are these already used by default, when the Restricted Drivers are disabled?
[14:26] <m-c> And is there a chat channel or web forum with more information and with links to the latest drivers?
[15:00] <tjaalton> Q-FUNK: done
[15:01] <Q-FUNK> tjaalton: thanks!
[15:01] <tjaalton> m-c: it's used by default, yes
[15:09] <m-c> I am going to try and use a more up-to-date version 1.2.1 - because there are problems, like colors of pictures and fonts, with the default settings.
[15:10] <m-c> Following this guide >> http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?s=e6059bf57a04b2327f00af4663511407&t=9951
[15:12] <m-c> The release notes say that my card - RV635 - is specifically targeted in the 1.2.1 release
[15:13] <m-c> Anyway, I purchased an AMD card yesterday just to participate with these driver developments.  Great to see a open 3D solution available with off the shelf, consumer graphic cards.
[15:14] <Q-FUNK> m-c: which PCI ID does the card have?
[15:15] <tjaalton> m-c: that's the radeonhd-driver
[15:16] <tjaalton> the one used by default is -ati
[15:16] <tjaalton> and a new version was recently released (6.8.191)
[15:20] <m-c> Q-FUNK: This should be everything about the card, fyi:  http://pastebin.com/d7f697513
[15:21] <Q-FUNK> ok, so it's still counted as an ATI product.  excellent.
[15:24] <m-c> I like to say AMD video card, because I am reluctant to give ATI credit for the exciting release of the open graphic specifications.  ;)
[15:25] <m-c> Thanks for your thought, off to test the new driver.
[17:05] <Q-FUNK> tjaalton: http://forum.ubuntu-fi.org/index.php?topic=12898.msg102216#msg102216
[17:05] <Q-FUNK> tjaalton: days like these, I cannot help but laugh
[17:11] <m-c> Hi - I do not really understand the process involved with making changes to the xorg.conf , while still relying primarily on the Ubuntu configuration tools.
[17:12] <m-c> In my situation, I am happy with the automagically generated configuration, but I want to add a Virtual display mode, to support dual monitors.
[17:13] <m-c> When I add this line to xorg.conf - the xserver hiccups.  Is there a way to add functionality for dual screens with the Ubuntu toolset?
[17:13] <m-c> Is editing the xorg.conf still the recommended way to get this type of functionality, or is this not compatible with using the Ubuntu tools
[17:14]  * m-c reads the wiki.
[17:27] <m-c> Thanks - the wiki had the details on setting dual screens.
[20:12] <m-c> receiving errors from glxinfo that /usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so is missing (and it is).  Should this library be within the " libgl1-mesa-dri " Ubuntu package?
[20:12] <m-c> ... or any ideas what swrast means?  :)
[20:24] <bryce> (I put out a new -psb this morning, to ume ppa)
[20:31] <bryce> m-c: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XorgOnTheEdge
[20:31] <m-c> Yes, a good resource, thank you
[20:32] <m-c> I think I have this figured out.  Means the driver is failing to a software rendering library.
[22:30] <robert_> does anyone know when the xserver on ubuntu will be updated to version 1.5 with x86_64 support ? it's to complex for me to build, but i would like to get DRI working. i googled and found that fedora released a pre-release version 1.5 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XserverOnePointFive
[22:50] <bryce> robert_: we're waiting on a dependency or two, but expect it should be ready within a week or two
[22:52] <robert_> thanks that sounds great (within a week or two)
[22:53] <bryce> well, don't quote me, that's an optimistic guess
[22:55] <robert_> yes i know those optimistic guesses, i don't quote only emphasis :D  i hope the radeonhd driver will be working too in a week or two :D
[22:55] <bryce> why do you use radeonhd rather than -ati?
[22:56] <robert_> hmm do you think it would be better to use the fglrx or ati drivers?
[22:57] <bryce> well, ati has been making tons of improvements, and I'm hoping by Intrepid's release to have it good enough for most every usage.  
[22:57] <robert_> i tested the fglrx driver with my Radeon HD 3650 (RV635) and i get black flicker while starting opengl
[22:58] <bryce> I know there's cases where newer cards aren't supported by -ati, but am curious if there are any other reasons, so we can try to get those situations addressed
[22:59] <bryce> -ati from git has support for RV635, so maybe in the next -ati upload we do, that will become an option
[22:59] <bryce> if you're up for building -ati from git, I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on it with your card
[22:59] <robert_> what is -ati ? is that a package or the propri driver from ati?
[23:01] <robert_> do you mean http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Installation_Guide
[23:03] <bryce> -ati aka -radeon, the standard open source driver for ATI cards
[23:03] <bryce> not -fglrx, which is what http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Installation_Guide talks about
[23:05] <robert_> git which builds xserver-xorg-video-ati?
[23:30] <m-c> Sounds like the resolution to my issues is also a newer version of xserver.  This is arriving soon?  Great.
[23:30] <m-c> I just picked up the same card as robert.  :)