/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/06/17/#kubuntu-devel.txt

geniistdin: OK, asks for my keyphrase, but then chunks out wanting me to force it to use existing dir or such00:00
* genii sips his coffee00:00
geniiOK, so after doing that, the page reflects I've done something but it still appears empty, saying use bzr push lp:~mystic-scientist/+junk/pdfedit-0.4.1     but that results in a weird error on this end00:03
geniieg: bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Emystic-scientist/%2Bjunk/pdfedit-0.4.1/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()00:03
stdinyeah, lp: seems broken for pushing00:04
stdinit'll take a couple mins for the commit to show and the code to appear00:04
geniiOK00:04
geniiGuess I'll drink more coffee and wait for propogation00:04
geniistdin: Thanks for the help00:04
stdinyou'll get used to LP one day, scary eh? ;)00:05
geniiYes :)00:05
geniiThis all began with wanting a more recent pdfedit than 3.something    :)00:06
geniistdin: I must have forgot signing up there sometime in 200500:09
* stdin can't remember when he signed up for LP00:12
stdinprobably in '06 though00:12
geniiDo I have to commit or so?00:17
geniieg: Last modified: 16 minutes ago ... Last Commit: This branch is empty00:18
stdinpush should have do that, maybe it just takes longer for the initial commit00:19
geniiHow long is normal before you should see a change?00:23
geniistdin: I just noticed when I made it I put branch type as Hosted. Should it have been Mirrored instead?00:25
stdinno, hosted is right00:26
geniiThats what I thought.00:26
stdingenii: did you bzr commit before pushing?00:27
geniistdin: Yes had to do --unchanged to force it00:28
geniiMaybe I'll make some minor change and re-commit00:29
stdinworth a go00:30
geniistdin: OK looks like somethings finally chugging00:37
geniiSuccess :)00:42
stdingot there in the end :)00:43
geniistdin: What I'm wondering about is if I wanted to distribute some deb package, should I just host some falcon repo?00:44
stdinyou could just use the PPA00:45
geniistdin: I haven't been able to get anywhere with it :(00:45
geniiMaybe I'm just obtuse00:45
stdindid you ask in #launchpad about it?00:47
stdinor look at https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart00:47
nixternalwoo00:48
nixternalanyone going to work on the 4.0.82 packages for Hardy?00:48
geniiAh didn't even think they had a channel00:48
vorianevening :)01:05
supert0nes[A]too bad the neon ones can't be converted they are nice!!01:44
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jjesse_so what would happen if i cahnged my sources.ist to intrepid and distu-upgraded02:48
jjesse_besieds learned to type02:48
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Jucatoheh :)02:49
jjesse;002:50
Jucatogood evening jjesse02:50
jjessehere goes nothing02:51
jjessegood morning Jucato02:51
jjessehalfway through my update to ibex :)03:14
jjessecan't wait to see how this vm responds03:14
dasKreechHi Hobbsee05:15
dasKreechSaluit seele05:15
Hobbseehey dasKreech!05:28
dasKreechHow are you?05:29
Hobbseedoing OK05:35
* Hobbsee has had the fun of composing a mail to the CC>05:35
dasKreechI normally compose to the BCC05:42
* Jucato waves to Hobbsee and dasKreech06:27
* Jucato also KicKs dasKreech06:27
dasKreechOw!06:29
dasKreechWhat?06:29
dasKreechFine I'll play MMORPGS With you06:29
Hobbseehey Jucato!06:29
Jucatohehehe06:29
Jucatosuddenly I feel that my 1280x1024 monitor is not enough to fit all the plasmoids I want to have :)06:30
dasKreechZoom out. Add a new one :006:31
Jucatothat almost *never* works for me06:31
dasKreechstrange works a lot for me06:31
Jucatoadding new activities?06:31
dasKreechKopete and Konqueror however haeva 10% chance of hosing the entire machine06:31
dasKreechYeah06:31
dasKreechworks almost all the time for me06:32
dasKreechI think it crashed the first time06:32
Jucatodunno. whenever I try to do that my graphics slows like hell... like the mouse is being weighed down by Hobbsee or something06:32
dasKreechooooooh06:33
dasKreechthat's slow06:33
dasKreechwhat driver?06:33
Jucatowell.. considering it's an nvidia legacy driver, I shouldn't be surprised :)06:34
Jucato(but that doesn't really contradict what I said about it not working for me :P)06:34
dasKreechwhat card?06:34
* Hobbsee pinches the mouse.06:34
Jucatonvidia geforce4 mx 400006:35
dasKreechOh a Geforce206:35
Jucato4!! not 2. 4!06:35
dasKreecha geforce4 mx is a geforce2 card06:36
Jucatoah06:36
Jucatook. if you say so :P06:36
Jucatowhatever it is. it sucks :)06:36
dasKreechpretty high end Geforce 2 but still not quite as good a low end Geforce306:36
Jucatothis is the first (and hopefully the only) situation that nvidia has let me down06:36
dasKreech:-)06:37
Jucatosituation = Qt/KDE 406:37
dasKreechwell a new card shouldn't hurt too much06:37
dasKreech(newer)06:37
Jucatoactually it will06:37
Jucatoyou know why?06:37
dasKreecha geforce4 non Mx should be dirt cheap if you can find it06:37
dasKreechlike .. free06:37
Jucatowell, only if it's AGP.06:38
JucatoPCI-E is out of the question06:38
dasKreechWell yeah I don't know if there were Geforce4 PCI-e cards06:38
Jucatodon't you mean AGP cards? PCI-E's the current "standard" while AGP's almost obsolete06:39
dasKreechYeah and geforce was state of the art like 5 years ago06:39
dasKreechthey are obsolete now06:39
Jucatoright. so buying a video card that would work better with Qt/KDE 4 argb stuff requires me to buy a new mobo06:40
Jucatowhich I will lead to buying a new processor as well (dual core maaaybe)06:40
Jucatoall in due time06:40
dasKreechJucato: a geforce4 should be damn near free if you can find one and a double jump above what you have now06:41
Jucato*if* I can find one06:42
Jucatothrow me a model name and I'll try to remember if I've seen something similar to it06:42
dasKreechGeforce 4 ti 460006:50
Arbymorning08:03
clau30how can I see what changes have been made to a package from feisty to gutsy?08:08
Jucatodebian/changelog?08:09
Arbyclau30: it will be in the changelog, which package?08:09
\shapachelogger: I fixed yesterday the kdebindings 4.0.80 for amd6408:09
\sh(and the change works for i386 as well)08:09
clau30Arby: mount08:09
clau30thanks08:10
Arbyclau30: search for the package on launchpad08:11
clau30Arby: found it on packages.ubuntu.com08:12
Arbyclau30: it's part of util-linux so it's here on launchpad https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/util-linux08:12
dasKreechJucato: which MMO?08:13
clau30Arby: ah ok, thanks08:14
JucatodasKreech: it's called Cabal Online. another Korean-made MMORPG08:14
clau30Arby: it's the problem that my usb stick doesn't get mounted on gutsy anymore, but works fine in feisty..08:16
clau30thought to look at the changelog (although not sure the problem is mount)08:17
dasKreechJucato: I think I have wallpapers from that08:17
JucatoI have one on my desktop :)08:18
JucatodasKreech: http://jucato.org/stuff/jucato-kde4.1-1.png08:18
dasKreech:-)08:18
dasKreechJucato: What's in the lower left?08:19
JucatoShow Dashboard widget08:19
clau30Arby: ugh, sorry, I ment it works on hardy and doesn't on gutsy :)08:21
clau30Arby: ugh, sorry, I ment it works on gutsy and doesn't on hardy - this is the right one!08:22
* dasKreech sighs at Konversation :(08:28
Arbyclau30: sorry I know nothing about how mount actually works.08:30
Arbycheck for related bugs and if there isn't one similar to your situation file one08:31
clau30there is one, yes08:31
clau30thanks anyway ;)08:31
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dwidmann Jucato: sure, you were talking about it hours and hours earlier, but if I were you I would spring for a geforce 6 or 7, if you dig you can still find them easily enough, and they're pretty darned cheap too.09:25
apachelogger\sh: yeah, I noticed, pretty cool09:37
* apachelogger hands \sh a cookie09:37
\shapachelogger: and it works...thanks to you :)09:43
apachelogger:)09:44
apachelogger\sh: Import Error: No module named klineedit10:24
apacheloggerfor leonov10:24
\shapachelogger: then kde4.py is not in uic/widget_plugins/ in pykde410:28
\shmake clean and redo make10:28
apacheloggerdoesn't help10:28
* apachelogger checks for kde4.py10:28
\sh4.0.80 ppa4?10:29
apacheloggerwell10:29
\shit works here and for others :)10:29
apacheloggerthat is the question really10:29
apacheloggerno10:29
apacheloggerhaha10:29
* apachelogger is not using the ppa10:29
\shlol10:29
apacheloggerwell10:29
apacheloggerit probably makes sense, since I need a fallback version in case kde-nightly breaks10:29
apacheloggeroh, btw10:30
apacheloggerkde-nightly goes public today or tomorrow10:30
nixternalmornin'10:59
apacheloggeryo Nightrose11:05
apacheloggeryo nixternal as well11:05
* apachelogger hands everyone a cookie11:05
apacheloggeryay! kde-nightly-qt built :D11:05
apachelogger\sh: omg, I haz menus :D11:09
\shapachelogger: yes...but now qt-designer4 is bugging with oxy11:09
\shapachelogger: but first after the pykde4 update ;)11:10
apacheloggerlol11:10
apacheloggerI get a segmentation fault11:10
apachelogger:D11:10
* jpds hugs apachelogger 11:24
* nixternal is working on going totally green11:51
nixternalno more car! I shall bike everywhere I want to go, even Antarctica :)11:52
Riddellyay!11:52
nixternalI will ride my bike to your house Riddell :)11:53
Riddelljust don't tell Betty downstairs, she's getting annoyed at the number of bikes in the stairwell :)11:54
nixternalround trip bike ride to work == ~60 miles or about 100km11:54
Riddellhardcore11:54
nixternalya, my arse and legs said the same thing :)11:54
nixternalI am >.< that close to getting the companie's exchange calendar working in Kontact11:55
nixternalthen I can ditch Evolution, which I have to admit, is fairly decent, even in KDE when you work past the font woes11:56
nixternalcompany's exchange calendar that is11:56
nixternaland I can't wait for the day to ditch Yum repositories, as they have to be the biggest mess I have ever seen in my life11:56
nixternalwho here was working on FAI with Ubuntu/Debian? I remember someone here working on it12:05
nixternalthis is exactly what I need to move forward on a CentOS to an Ubuntu based appliance12:06
RiddellScottK?12:06
nixternalI thought \sh honestly12:06
Riddellmibby12:09
smarterFAI?12:10
nixternalFully Automatic Installation12:12
nixternalour appliance servers right now use a CentOS (v5) customized distro that is fully automated so our machines can automatically boot up and iso image and start loading w/o us having to do a thing12:13
nixternalright now I am trying to get kickstart to pass the -m 0 flag to mkfs.ext3, but I am doing it rather hackishly12:14
nixternalwould be nice if anaconda could pass this12:14
\shnixternal: i did yes :)12:20
nixternalso my brain still works :)12:20
nixternalfairly easy to setup? I would rather go that way than preseeding with answer files probably12:21
\shnixternal: well, if you know the system behind FAI it's fairly easy...you need the right infrastructure for it...which could be a problem12:23
\shnixternal: also FAI in Ubuntu has problems with unionfs, which is broken in ubuntu kernel12:23
nixternalwe are using ext3, so that wouldn't be an issue for us12:24
nixternalI will start playing around with it and get an infrastructure in place for it12:25
nixternalfor v2 of our software, I would love to move away from RPMs12:25
nixternaltime for work, ttyl12:45
* apachelogger hugs jpds back12:46
ScottKRiddell: Yes?12:50
ScottKnixternal: FAI features in that spec I pointed you at.12:51
RiddellScottK: nixternal's question not mine12:51
Riddellalthough, since you have supplied an answer, I could say the question was "fancy making me some lunch?"12:52
ScottKRight.  Got that once I read the scrollback.12:52
ScottKSure hold on while I send it.12:52
etretyakHi everyone!12:58
apacheloggerhey etretyak12:58
etretyakRiddell: Should I follow kubuntu_printer_configuration.pdf for app design and usability? Or just mimic gnome version of system config printer?12:59
Riddelletretyak: until now I've been mostly following the gnome one since that's easiest to get it working, then will move to kubuntu_printer_configuration.pdf when it mostly all works13:02
Riddelletretyak: but there's no menu bar in anticipation of kubuntu_printer_configuration.pdf13:02
seelehum.. if artemis_fowl pops in, i'm around today13:03
seelemissed his ping yesterday..13:03
etretyakRiddell: the menu bar exists in gnome version of system-config-printer..13:05
Riddelletretyak: right, but not in our one (since our one should one day be a kcontrol module)13:07
etretyakRiddell: i see13:07
RiddellMez, ScottK: what to do with bug 214030?13:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 214030 in gutsy-backports "Please Backport php5-xdebug" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21403013:19
RiddellArtemis_Fowl meet seele13:19
* ScottK looks13:19
ScottKRiddell: Please unsubscribe ubuntu-archive and I'll follow-up on it.13:19
RiddellScottK: ok, done13:20
MezScottK, why hold off?13:20
ScottKMez: To get confirmation that the current version is good.13:21
MezScottK, I can confirm that - I'm the debian Maintainer13:22
ScottKMez: Please mark in the bug what version and that it builds/runs/installs and then ping me.13:22
Artemis_FowlRiddell: ?13:22
MezScottK, added13:24
* ScottK looks13:25
ScottKRiddell: As Mez says, bug 214030 is good to go now.13:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 214030 in gutsy-backports "Please Backport php5-xdebug" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21403013:29
eagles051387Nightrose afternoon question about those talks13:35
ScottKRiddell: re Bug 231098 - Please see persia's comment.  I'm no Java expert, but I think more work is needed before SRU.13:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 231098 in ubuntu-restricted-extras "Please add sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-plugin to *ubuntu-restricted-extras" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23109813:41
RiddellScottK: mvo replied13:57
* ScottK looks.13:57
RiddellMez: php-xdebug isn't in intrepid14:04
Mezsource package xdebug14:04
smarterAre we going to package kdeplasmoids?14:06
Riddellwhen beta 2 gets tagged14:07
Riddellwhich ought to be today14:07
MezRiddell, see bug #23496014:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 234960 in php-xdebug "Please sync xdebug from debian" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23496014:07
smartercool14:07
smarterIs someone already working on it?14:07
Riddellsmarter: no, waiting for the tagging14:07
smarterYou're going to do it?14:08
Riddellsmarter: I expect it'll just be using the packaging from debian14:09
smarterokay14:10
Riddellsmarter: looking for things to package?14:10
smarteryep ;)14:10
smarterI wonder if K3B is going to be released soon14:10
smarterlooks like it's already usable14:11
Riddellsmarter: guidance-power-manager needs packaging if you can do python14:11
smartersure14:11
eagles051387Riddell wouldnt launchpad be a good place to look for stuff that needs packaging14:11
smarterwhere is it?14:11
Riddellsmarter: kdesvn for now14:12
Riddellsmarter: extragear/utils/14:12
smarterok14:12
* smarter svn co14:12
Riddellthis would be good to have packaged too http://code.google.com/p/arora/14:12
Riddelleagles051387: if people have made bugs yes14:12
smarterRiddell: there's already a package on the site which looks pretty okay14:13
apacheloggerRiddell: arora is going to debian soonish IIRC14:13
smarterit's on REVU14:13
Nightrosere14:13
Nightroseeagles051387: what question14:13
Riddellah, cool14:13
mornfallRiddell: Hi.14:13
Riddellhi mornfall14:14
apacheloggerin fact14:14
apacheloggerit already is in debian14:14
apacheloggerhttp://packages.debian.org/sid/arora14:14
mornfallRiddell: Do you think it would be hard to add a trigger to icecc that would restart iceccd when new gcc appears?14:14
mornfallI just have been bitten by upgrading gcc without iceccd restart : - \.14:14
Riddellmornfall: hmm, I don't know much about triggers14:14
mornfallNeither do I -- but I could try to check and come up with something : - ).14:15
mornfallSo I'll poke you when I figure something.14:15
apacheloggerwell, gcc package could just restart iceccd if it is installed14:15
smarterRiddell: can I use debhelper 7 goodness for g-p-m or do you plan to backport it?14:15
Riddellsmarter: I don't plan to backport14:16
Riddellsmarter: what's good in debconf 7?14:16
mornfallIsn't there a dh cdbs-alike in there?14:16
Riddellapachelogger: that sounds improper14:16
smarteryep14:16
mornfallsmarter: Is it better than cdbs?14:16
apacheloggerRiddell: well, easier than making iceccd detect a chaned gcc and restart once no job is going on ;-)14:17
smarterIt doesn't have all the rules files (/usr/share/cdbs/*) but it's supposed to replace cdbs one day14:18
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eagles051387Nightrose are those talks goign to be a nightly thing14:20
Nightroseeagles051387: huh?14:20
mornfallRiddell: Ah, nevermind. The triggers in rpm are something entirely different than dpkg (what I have thought they would be).14:21
mornfallRiddell: (Or maybe they aren't... let me dig more.)14:21
mornfallman 5 deb-triggers14:23
eagles051387Nightrose those talks that took place the other night are they going to become a daily thing14:24
Nightroseeagles051387: no14:24
eagles051387ok14:24
apacheloggersmarter: why would you use dh7 even though we have fullblown cdbs files for kde4?14:26
apacheloggerNightrose: I think you disappointed him14:26
Nightroseapachelogger: think so too - want me to do daily talks now? :P14:26
apacheloggerNightrose: yes14:27
Nightrosehmmmmm14:27
NightroseNO!14:27
apacheloggeryou could setup a bot14:27
Nightrose;-)14:27
apacheloggergive the same talk over and over again14:27
Nightrosehehe14:27
Nightroseinsanity to the rescue14:27
smarterapachelogger: yep, cdbs is a better choice atm14:27
mornfall...14:28
RiddellScottK: bug 211756 seems to be an outstanding backport14:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 211756 in gutsy-backports "Please backport emesene 1.0-dist-1 from hardy" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21175614:32
* ScottK looks14:33
ScottKRiddell: No one has ack'ed Feisty, so I'd suggest unsubscribe ubuntu-archive for now.14:34
RiddellScottK: ok14:34
jjesseso what wierd and crazy things can i expect on my virtual machine on a dist-=upgrade from kubuntu 8.04 remix to intrepid?14:37
Riddellmm, it may well explode14:38
Riddellalthough not as much as after I remove the -kde4 packages14:38
jjessewill looking for it to explode then ;)14:42
danimohi14:42
Riddellhi danimo14:42
seelehmm.. anyone want to give some feedback on kgrubeditor and how we're handling automagic?14:45
seelehttp://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1437949_gluha/kgrubeditor.ogv14:45
seelei dont think it is quite right yet, i'd prefer a better solution than a bunch of warning messages14:45
jjesseRiddell: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/debconf_1.5.22_all.deb (--unpack) on my dist-upgrade14:46
jjessefrom hardy remix to intrepid14:47
smarterRiddell: are we going to remove kde-guidance-powermanager from intrepid?14:50
Riddellsmarter: yes14:52
nixternaloi what a morning commute14:54
yuriymorning14:56
nixternalmornin'14:56
yuriynixternal: bug 215012 still present in hardy 4.1beta packages?14:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 215012 in kdebindings-kde4 "unable to install kdebindings-kde4" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21501214:56
nixternaldunno, I think somebody did the kdebindings packages for beta..I didn't14:57
yuriyoh14:57
mornfallRiddell: Do you want patch, or should I reportbug it against Debian and it'll get to you that way?15:08
apacheloggeryuriy: it's kde4bindings now15:08
apacheloggerRiddell: anything I can do to help with the name changes?15:09
* apachelogger is getting confused :S15:09
smarterRiddell: guidance-power-manager package almost done15:11
smarterbut it breaks things that depends on guidance-backends15:11
smarterRiddell: they both provide a xf86misc.py file and pysupport doesn't like that15:14
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mornfallRiddell: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=48666815:30
ubottuDebian bug 486668 in icecc "iceccd needs to be restarted upon gcc/g++ upgrades" [Normal,Open]15:30
mornfall(eeeevil bug, it's got 666 in there...)15:30
apacheloggerlol15:31
nixternalahhhh, dude that was my iceccd issue the other day I bet15:34
yuriyapachelogger: in hardy ppa too?15:38
apacheloggeryuriy: yes15:39
apacheloggeractually I fixed it in a branch15:39
apacheloggerbut forgot to merge it in before I uploaded to the ppa15:39
apacheloggerso it's broken ... again15:39
Riddellsmarter: just assume that guidance-backends is disappearing16:19
smarterokay16:19
smarterso I'll Conflicts/Replaces/provides on kde-guidance , guidance-backends and guidance-powermanager16:19
Riddellsmarter: yep16:20
JontheEchidnaw00t, Wine 1.0!16:37
Riddellquick, set a world record for downloads!16:44
* apachelogger adds mozilla.com to his school's firewall blacklist :P16:47
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Artemis_Fowlso seele,17:46
Artemis_Fowlhow should the Automagic thing be handled?17:47
Riddellthat video looks good Artemis_Fowl17:49
Artemis_FowlRiddell: nice to hear that. but it shows only the entry-related functionality. there are still lots to be done...17:50
Riddellmornfall: "Riddell: Do you want patch" what was that about?17:53
* |Artemis_Fowl| hates his ISP17:55
\shnixternal: if you need help regarding fai: #fai@irc.debian.org17:56
mornfallRiddell: icecc17:57
Riddellmornfall: looks like we just get it from debian so fine to do it through that route17:58
ScottK\sh and nixternal: siretart knows a bit about it too.18:01
nixternalright now I am hacking initrd.img, minstg2.img, and stage2.img files and my head wants to explode18:02
\shScottK: right :)18:02
_Artemis_Fowl_Riddell: wasn't seele supposed to be around today?18:30
Riddell_Artemis_Fowl_: she did say she was18:31
seele_Artemis_Fowl_: i'm here!18:33
_Artemis_Fowl_seele: good. I was about to leave :)18:34
seele_Artemis_Fowl_: i reviewed your screen cast.. automagic sucks18:34
_Artemis_Fowl_+1 from me :)18:34
seelei think the warning messages you provide are fine.. but it's still kindof messy18:34
seelei wonder if we should ask a few people to use it and see if they would prefer 1) having the option to break automagic or 2) not give them the option18:35
seele1) would be the way it is implemented now, and 2) would be creating 2 lists, one for automagic and another for the configurable ones18:35
_Artemis_Fowl_2 lists?18:36
seeleyeah, or a separator18:36
seeleotherwise, the up/down arrows would be disabled for the top half of the list18:36
seelehmm.. i guess that wouldnt be too much worse than two lists18:36
seelei guess there are two questions.  1) do people want to reorder automagic stuff, and 2) if they do want to reorder automagic stuff, do they care they break automagic18:37
_Artemis_Fowl_the concept of 2 lists sounds really strange to me18:40
_Artemis_Fowl_if i had to do something like this I would prefer the up/down disabling18:41
seeleok18:41
_Artemis_Fowl_anyway, should I do something for the time being?18:41
seeleis the latest version in your ppa?18:41
_Artemis_Fowl_I have no PPA :-) I use SVN to store the source code18:42
seeleactually, if you could put up two versions, one as is, and the other with the up/down disabled.. i can try to find some people to test it out18:42
seelehmm18:42
_Artemis_Fowl_packaging takes places when I release a new version18:42
_Artemis_Fowl_(by apachelogger)18:42
seelemaybe he will be nice and make me two packages for user testing :)18:43
seeleapachelogger: ping!18:43
apacheloggersure18:43
apacheloggerjust dump me a tarball18:43
seelewhoot18:43
_Artemis_Fowl_so seele,18:44
seele_Artemis_Fowl_: think you could do the other version with the buttons disabled?  that way we wont hvae to do this twice18:44
_Artemis_Fowl_how exactly should something like this be iimplemented? disable the up/down arrows for all Automagic entries?18:44
seeleyeah18:46
_Artemis_Fowl_ok18:46
seelecan you have a different tooltip for a disabled widget?18:46
seeleactually, the dialog needs some instruction/text at the top.  we can worry about that later i guess18:47
ScottKnixternal: You've got mail.18:47
seelewe need to put some kind of message about automagic entries before the user makes a mistake18:47
_Artemis_Fowl_the different tooltip is possible18:48
_Artemis_Fowl_albeit strange :)18:48
seeleyeah, that's why i didnt follow up with my thinking-out-loud18:48
seelejust leave it as it is for now, we can figure out the user information later18:48
seelebecause it will be different depending on the approach we decide on18:48
_Artemis_Fowl_so all I have to do is pack the current version, modify it to fit the disabling way and pack this new approach too?18:49
nixternalScottK: will check it when I get home18:49
nixternalcarrying 2 laptops is way to much...I think it is time to either setup IMAP again, or just put Mutt back on my server that IRC sits on18:50
ScottKnixternal: You may want to check it now if you can.  You're invited to a tech board meeting in 1 hour and 10 minutes if you can make it.18:50
seele_Artemis_Fowl_: yes18:50
nixternalhr18:50
nixternalm18:50
seele_Artemis_Fowl_: then i will find a few people to test it on and see which way is better18:50
ScottKYeah.  I'd suggest find a way to show up.  They don't come around that often.18:51
ScottKThis is why I pinged you.18:51
seelethe warning messages or disabling the up/down buttons18:51
_Artemis_Fowl_seele: good.18:51
_Artemis_Fowl_apachelogger: you will have mail tomorrow then18:51
apacheloggerok18:51
_Artemis_Fowl_time to leave then...18:52
* seele waves18:52
nixternalScottK: rock, thanks!18:53
_Artemis_Fowl_seele: oh, I almost forgot it: Congrats! (both for the ring and your talk at kubuntu-tutorials-day) :-)18:53
nixternalScottK: if you don't see me talk in about an hour, or right before my turn, gimme a ping please...I should be at my lappy, just in another term building rpms and losing track of time :)18:53
ScottKnixternal: Sure thing.  You're welcome.18:54
* _Artemis_Fowl_ leaves18:54
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ArbyRiddell: kopete-cryptography can't build because it depends on kdepim-kde4 which apparently no longer exists19:50
ArbyRiddell: can I drop the dep or what replaces it?19:50
RiddellArby: kdepim-kde4 is now kdepim19:52
Riddellwhich has failed to build19:52
Arbyah, bit of a block there then19:52
Arbyit'll have to wait then19:53
Arbyalso , hooray MIR for QCA2 approved19:54
Riddellooh, great19:59
nixternalRiddell, ScottK, Hobbsee == #ubuntu-meeting in a few for my core-dev app20:03
Riddellooh20:03
ArbyRiddell: if things are failing to build after upload due to missing build deps do I need to do anything?20:03
Arbyor just wait until those pacjages are ready20:03
Arby*packages20:03
RiddellArby: depends if it's the fault of the package or another package20:04
RiddellArby: what are we talking about?20:04
Arbyseveral things, let me find an example20:04
Riddellhi Xand3r, I approved screenie-qt, good job20:05
smarterprint "Groovy"20:05
smarterI don't need to look at the copyright to know who did guidance-power-manager/cmake-modules/FindPyKDE.py ;)20:05
Xand3rRiddell: thx verry much20:05
ArbyRiddell: for example http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15358768/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-amd64.kmldonkey_4%3A2.0.2-kde4.0.80-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz20:06
ArbyRiddell: much of the extragear stuff I've done is failing to upload20:07
Arbyerrors like 2008-06-17 15:53:06 WARNING     kcoloredit_4.0.80-0ubuntu1_ia64.deb: Version older than that in the archive. 4.0.80-0ubuntu1 <= 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu120:07
RiddellArby: "No rule to make target `/usr/lib/libSM.so'"20:07
RiddellArby: that's the fault of kde4libs20:07
RiddellArby: I fixed it yesterday20:07
RiddellArby: are you able to retry that build?20:07
Arbycan do yes20:07
Arbywell locally I can20:07
RiddellArby: I mean on launchpad20:08
Riddellit may be only core-devs who can20:08
Arbyon launchpad no20:08
ArbyI don't have the power20:08
jpds~motu can20:08
ArbyRiddell: for the version conflicts the '4:' seems to confuse the issue20:10
Arbynot sure what to do about that20:10
RiddellArby: retried kmldonkey20:11
Arbythanks20:11
RiddellArby: kcoloredit needs that 4: epoch version then20:11
Arby*sigh* mass rebuild take 1720:11
smarterRiddell: guidance-power-manager.py has "version = 4.1.0", should I use that as the package version or 4.1.0~svn$(date -foo) ?20:14
ArbyRiddell: I can't work out how to make kcoloredit take the epoch version20:34
Arbyis it enough to just rename the files?20:34
RiddellArby: no just change it in the changelog20:40
RiddellArby: dch -i for a new changelog entry and stick a 4: at the front of the version there20:40
Riddellsmarter: 4.1.0~svnfoo is good20:40
ArbyI did that manually and it made no difference, let me try again with dch20:40
\shRiddell: do you have a code beautifier for kate especially for python sources?20:41
smarterRiddell: okay20:41
Riddell\sh: nope20:43
ArbyRiddell: didn't work. files are still named 4.0.8020:46
Arbychangelog has kcoloredit (4:4.0.80-0ubuntu2) intrepid; urgency=low20:46
RiddellArby: perfect20:47
Arbyoh20:47
Riddellthat's it then20:47
* Arby <- confused20:47
ArbyI was expecting the .dsc etc numbers to change20:47
Riddellnaw, the epoch is mostly hidden, it's just used for when the numbering system gets screwed up20:48
Arbyah ok20:48
Arbyfiles incoming then20:48
ArbyRiddell: new .dsc and .diff.gz for kcoloredit on lichts20:51
Arbykiconedit to follow soon20:51
ArbyRiddell: kiconedit done20:56
NightroseHobbsee: http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/2008/06/omg-ponies11.html ;-)21:20
jpdsNightrose: arg, überladen21:26
Nightrose;-)21:26
ArbyRiddell: kpovmodeler done, ready for upload21:31
Arbyscratch that, needs a rebuild21:37
RiddellArby: groovy, kdepim compiling away here for the next while22:05
Arbycool kpovmodeler fixed now22:05
Arbyworking on kfax now22:05
ArbyRiddell: did I hear that extragear-plasma was going to disappear?22:05
RiddellArby: yes, ignore it22:10
nixternaloi oi22:10
nixternallet me just say, editing .img files are so much fun!22:10
Riddellnixternal: feeling fit?22:10
nixternalno, feeling sore :)22:10
nixternalI think I dropped my buttocks a couple of towns over22:11
ArbyRiddell: kfax done, ready for upload22:25

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