[00:00] <hubuntu> or on vacation
[00:00] <pep> [00:59] [Remarque] -NickServ- Last seen  : Jun 12 18:52:30 2008 (4 days, 04:07:20 ago)
[00:00] <pep> yeah
[00:00] <pep> I'm off anyway
[00:00] <pep> way too late again
[00:00] <pep> see you
[00:00] <hubuntu> good luck tomorrow
[00:00] <hubuntu> ;)
[00:01] <pep> thx
[00:01] <pep> should be ok ;)
[00:57] <bbyeve1> jbotscharow: hello
[01:01] <bbyever> jbotscharow: hello?
[14:54] <pep> jbotscharow: hi, just saw the updates you did on the wiki
[14:54] <pep> what exactly is not clear ?
[14:54] <pep> The idea is to save a lot of time in the process of searching for material. We want a site that is really helpful for the marketeer. If, once SU has grown big, s/he has to browse through thousands of archives before finding '''the''' ressource s/he was looking for, doing it himself would have taken less time.
[14:55] <pep> you don't understand what I mean?
[14:55] <jbotscharow> pep:sorry was distracted for a minute
[14:55] <jbotscharow> I am not sure what you are trying to say
[14:56] <pep> not a problem, I didn't await you to reply straight away ;)
[14:56] <jbotscharow> give me a sec to catch up on reading
[14:58] <jbotscharow> ﻿doing it himself would have taken less time
[14:58] <pep> what I am trying to say is: we must think of a working upload process, in order to have the easiest possible browsing process...
[14:58] <jbotscharow> this is the part I don't quite understand
[14:58] <pep> yeah, sorry, I meant creating the logo/presentation/whatever .... would have taken less time than searching for it
[14:58] <pep> it's not essential
[14:58] <pep> I'll delete it
[14:59] <jbotscharow> ok/ how faniliar r u with drupal?
[15:00] <pep> If, once SU has grown big, s/he has to browse through thousands of archives before finding '''the''' ressource s/he was looking for, we won't have achieved our goal.
[15:00] <pep> this ok?
[15:00] <jbotscharow> better
[15:01] <jbotscharow> I understand it, at least LOL
[15:01] <pep> ok
[15:01] <pep> no, I am not very used to drupal, I use CMS Made Simple for all my sites, or wordpress
[15:01] <pep> don't know wwhat you're talking about with taxonomy
[15:01] <jbotscharow> anyway, did you write that page?
[15:01] <pep> the project page?
[15:02] <pep> I wrote parts of it
[15:02] <pep> it is a building-up, I think some things are still from the old DIYWebsite page..
[15:02] <pep> well
[15:02] <pep> what I mean is that it is not "one" persone that writes it
[15:02] <jbotscharow> well, a suggestion - keep the gender specific pronouns to a minimum
[15:03] <pep> ok, thanks
[15:03] <pep> it is because I have difficulties finding a neutral one ;)
[15:03] <jbotscharow> American femals are feminists LOL
[15:03] <pep> otherwise, I'd have to say "one will do this" and "one is going to...."
[15:03] <jbotscharow> they take offense if it is all male
[15:03] <pep> but I see your point
[15:03] <pep> thanks
[15:04] <pep> why the question about drupal?
[15:04] <jbotscharow> as far as srupal goes, it is organized - the contentr- using taxonomies
[15:04] <pep> to tell the truth, I did not really understand the entire paragraph about taxonomy stuff...
[15:04] <jbotscharow> which can be free tags or structured tags
[15:04] <pep> I see
[15:05] <jbotscharow> can be only one level or hierarchical
[15:05] <jbotscharow> makes for lots of fun stiff and very good search
[15:06] <jbotscharow> when we organzie and classify content, we need to keep dripal taxonomic capabilties in mind
[15:06] <pep> yes, I'm sure it is not a problem with drupal actually... my fear is that it is difficult to implement on the LP side, as we want an uploaded object to keep these tags everywhere.. but we're going to have to see a lot of things with a bzr expert, we are planing a meeting with one or two shortly..
[15:06] <jbotscharow> use our calssification headings as tanonomy categories
[15:07] <jbotscharow> I think this is where the FF plug in might come in handy. I don't know how complicated we can make the menu, but
[15:08] <jbotscharow> ig we can do fairly complicated menu in the plug in, that will help some
[15:09] <jbotscharow> I don't really know enough about LP to comment on that issue
[15:09] <jbotscharow> just saw ur comment about taxonomu
[15:10] <jbotscharow> want me to explain it here and now? 
[15:10] <pep> no, it's ok
[15:10] <pep> I wikipediad and googled
[15:10] <jbotscharow> LOL
[15:10] <jbotscharow> i don't blame you
[15:10] <pep> I associated it with other CMSes I've sued
[15:10] <jbotscharow> it
[15:10] <pep> used
[15:10] <pep> hehe sure ;)
[15:10] <pep> just a thing..
[15:11] <jbotscharow> it's a little different
[15:11] <jbotscharow> much more flexible
[15:11] <jbotscharow> that's why I use it for my site
[15:11] <pep> yeah, I'm planning getting handy with drupal.. building up the new ubuntu-be site
[15:11] <pep> if I understand you well, you want to use a FF plugin to browse SU?
[15:12] <jbotscharow> let's just say we can build tag system to match how we classify contnet
[15:12] <jbotscharow> and then put that system onto say an upload form so people can pick and choose where their upload is classified
[15:13] <jbotscharow> and all that ties into drupal's site search
[15:13] <jbotscharow> makes finding sutff very easy if it is implemented correctly
[15:14] <jbotscharow> what I really like avout dru[al is that you can completely customize user permissions
[15:14] <jbotscharow> for a community site that is very nice
[15:15] <jbotscharow> and it has lots of modules that do lots of different things so we can pick and choose what we want to add aobve the core
[15:15] <jbotscharow> much like Ubuntu
[15:16] <jbotscharow> which is why I love Ubunut
[15:18] <jbotscharow> re:FF plugin- if it can be done - menu plugin that has SU plug in - categories of content- to make getting content easy
[15:18] <pep> I see
[15:18] <jbotscharow> sort of like the Ubuntu plug ins but maybe more sophisticated
[15:19] <pep> I'm not sure it is of great interest... in revenge what will be useful, once Su will be up, is a search bar for FF ... but that's done in a couple of minutes ;)
[15:19] <pep> but could be an idea...
[15:19] <pep> I'l check on these plugins sometime
[15:19] <jbotscharow> I have been playing IRC tag with the programmer who did the plugin for the italian team
[15:19] <jbotscharow> he is on mozilla team for extensions
[15:20] <jbotscharow>  see what he thinks of this and what can be done
[15:21] <jbotscharow> menu-it is the one I installed by accident and is where i got my inspriation
[15:22] <jbotscharow> it may be that what SU would need for an effective plug in will be technically not possible
[15:22] <jbotscharow> do'nt know
[15:22] <jbotscharow> but I am at least going to ask him
[15:22] <jbotscharow> :-)
[15:23] <jbotscharow> Ruben says my typing will improve the more I use IRC. Hope he;s right LOL
[15:25] <pep> jupp, should :)
[15:25] <pep> the problem is, you type faster and faster, and I often think ahead of my fingers, which ends in a big mundling up of everything ;)
[15:37] <boredandblogging> pep, jbotscharow, in the SpreadUbuntu/Projects page, it says drupal code will be uploaded daily...from where?
[15:37] <pep> not drupal code actually...
[15:38] <boredandblogging> material that got uploaded?
[15:38] <pep> we're talking about synchronising the marketing ressource databases...
[15:38] <pep> because we will have the BD on SU, but be constantly working on another DB, in LP that is, translating, etc...
[15:38] <pep> DB
[15:40] <boredandblogging> you don't really mean db, you mean files right?
[15:40] <pep> a group of people will be assigned to the supervision and quality control, and give their agreement to sync with the SU databse...
[15:40] <pep> yeah
[15:40] <boredandblogging> yeah, ok
[15:40] <pep> but these will have to be classified in a certain way of course
[15:40] <pep> so that we don't get losts, what I talked about earlier..
[15:40] <pep> lost*
[15:42] <boredandblogging> pep: the drupal and LP integration, I know there Canonical was working on a tool for that, has it been released?
[15:47] <jbotscharow> pep: I'm back. sorry. got pm from the mozilla team programmer :-)
[15:47] <pep> hey, sorry, was just out
[15:47] <jbotscharow> so was I
[15:47] <jbotscharow> I finally heard from the programmer
[15:48] <jbotscharow> this may be, technically speaking, a lot easier that we thought
[15:48] <pep> boredandblogging: I'm not sure, we actually talked with hubuntu about contacting a LP guru about how to make this integration real.. it is the heart of the SU project, as we want to be able to use all of LPs possibilities (translation, bzr, Q&A...), this is really good if canonical was already wworking ona tool for this....
[15:49] <boredandblogging> pep: they are working on it, but I don't think its been released yet
[15:49] <jbotscharow> boredandblogging: Hi, Nick
[15:49] <boredandblogging> hi jbotscharow
[15:49] <pep> ok, good to know, I'm writing it down to keep track...
[15:50] <jbotscharow> I got some serious reading to do, so I will tty you guys later
[16:11] <pep> Launchpad integration in Drupal. => Implementation:  	 Not started
[16:17] <pep> mhh actually this is only relative to the beeseek project..
[16:42] <Flannel> pep: Drupal is arbitrary.  We can use any/no existing CMS
[16:42] <pep> Ok...
[16:43] <Flannel> But, With each item, we'll need additional information anyway (creator, license, description, etc).  So what I imagine (and what I'll be proposing) is that there is a metafile for each item (an item could always include multiple files, this will allow for that) in bzr, with all the metainformation, plus a list of files.
[16:44] <pep> Flannel: anyway, that concerned beeseek, I don't suppose it will be very useful to us, I think boredandblogging must have been talking of something else.
[16:44] <pep> yes, a metafile is good.
[16:44] <Flannel> pep: What on earth is beeseek?
[16:44] <pep> it is a project for an open source search engine
[16:45] <Flannel> Oh.  No, we wont be needing a search engine, just a DB SELECT statement
[16:45] <pep> but there is no more info about the Launchpad Integration blueprint 
[16:45] <Flannel> And then the website checks the diffs of bazaar [whenever we schedule it], and then modifies its own index of stuff (in a DB on the site) to include the new content
[16:46] <Flannel> The DB itself will include all the content from bazaar (probably without history), so that if bzr goes down, the site still runs (this also cuts down on search time, etc).  So each diff it'll load up new content (just the changed files), and load up new meta information
[16:47] <Flannel> But, it shouldn't be hard to make a diff -> SQL bridge thing.  Since we don't care about the changes themselves, just the files that were affected
[16:47] <pep> that sounds really good, exactly what we imagined, if you say this is all possible then that's perfect
[16:47] <pep> Ok...
[16:47] <pep> I found two projects working on somehow connecting drupal to LP: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/qa-portal and the well known https://launchpad.net/loco-drupal-support ... but I'm not sure if they will be of any use...
[16:47] <Flannel> this also means that anyone can import straight with bzr
[16:48] <Flannel> (and also means anyone can check out straight from bzr)
[16:48] <pep> that was the aim anyway.. and to push it even further we thought of a small app, similar to 5-a-day, to upload material
[16:48] <pep> meisok's idea.. he explained it in spanish though I think..
[16:49] <boredandblogging> pep: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/ssov2-drupal-plugin/
[16:49] <Flannel> Directory structure inside of bzr is up in the air, and really could be anything, but, to ease the aforementioned bzr interfaces, I imagine the tree inside of the VCS should be categorized, etc.  Probably with one folder per item at the bottom end
[16:49] <pep> ah, I thought that just conerned openID boredandblogging.... thanks...
[16:49] <Flannel> With the category stuff still part of the metafile, the onyl reason it's foldered out is just for ease of browsing
[16:50] <Flannel> I'm not sure we have to do a whole lot of openID support.  If we implement all of the transactions through bzr, you just pass the credentials through to LP.
[16:50] <pep> Flannel: I see, that's good.
[16:51] <Flannel> We don't personally have to know anything about the person, we just transparently pass it through to LP through a bzr command
[16:51] <pep> mhh.. yes, but for some other SU applications (map, and some other things...) it could be interesting...
[16:52] <boredandblogging> anyone try this before? http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CcHost
[16:53] <boredandblogging> its supposed to deal with authoring, licensing, tagging, etc
[16:53] <Flannel> pep: Regarding your separate domain, while I think it could be useful, I'm not really sure its necessary, and the argument that you link to spreadubuntu to do just that (if I give you a link to spreadubuntu, I am spreading ubuntu)
[16:54] <pep> yeah... maybe...
[16:54] <pep> it's not fundamental anyway...
[16:54] <Flannel> Yes, it doesn't fall in line with spreadfirefox, but... we shouldn't be idolizing the mozilla project.  They've made plenty of mistakes
[16:54] <pep> concerning that I came up with two ideas I still have to put somewhere on a wiki... for one, some sort of ubuntu-digg, collecting articles and links advocating ubuntu, etc... 
[16:55] <pep> oh yeah Flannel, I share your view on that
[16:56] <pep> and for the second point concerning other SU applications, I thought of a kind of loco-twitter, where the locos report their current activities and projects, this would share all the good project ideas to the all the other locos, as well as give a sense of pride to see ones loco being voted for... might be mergeable with the marketing-brainstorm idea...
[17:02] <pep> ccHost is interesting
[17:06] <Flannel> LoCo teams definately need some cheerleading, yeah.  We'll be advertising those too as part of the 'here
[17:06] <Flannel> LoCo teams definately need some cheerleading, yeah.  We'll be advertising those too as part of the 'here's what Ubuntu is, here's how you can help'
[17:07] <pep> yes
[17:09] <Flannel> That's why I figured its best to include the "here is all about ubuntu" stuff, because it rounds out the site nicely, and we can make sure we talk in terms they understand.  Since other ones dont necessarily.
[17:09] <Flannel> But anyway, I'm off.  I'll be back tonight.
[17:10] <pep> actually I had a laugh this afternoon... I solved this guy's problem on LP answers, and he came back to ask me another related detail... and at the end he wrote: "PS: If I can be of any help or do something in exchange of your kind servies, please let me know!!!"
[17:10] <pep> so, this is definitely something we can work on, as people are not used to the help-each-other-out spirit of ubuntu...
[17:12] <pep> I'm off too, good bye