[00:06] Hey [00:07] I have a few questions [00:07] !ask [00:07] Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-) [00:07] well how can i make my PC more like an xbox [00:09] put it in your oven and turn set to bake @ 150 deg F [00:09] can you be more specific? [00:09] i mean when i turn the xbox on, it instantly comes on no bios [00:10] zoredache: on some systems, you can replace the BIOS [00:10] asus sells a motherboard with linux on the motherboard [00:10] can i flash the bios and put linmux on it? [00:10] freddo_frog: http://www.coreboot.org/ [00:10] freddo_frog: with a few hardware configurations, yes [00:11] what do you mean with a few hardware configurations [00:11] freddo_frog: it doesn't support most motherboards [00:11] ok [00:11] freddo_frog: go to the above site, see if your chipset is supported [00:11] so i can just not have a bios with it? [00:12] freddo_frog: yes, the BIOS is largely unnecessary with linux [00:12] how fast can a PC start without bios? [00:13] freddo_frog: according to coreboot, you can get to a linux console in a few seconds [00:13] ok [00:14] how can i find what my motherboard is? [00:14] take the panel off the side of your computer and look [00:14] lspci wont work? [00:18] dunno [00:18] i've got an old dell inspiron 2500 that i installed xubuntu 7.10 on and it doesn't recognize the built in network card. any tips? [00:18] x788: what have you done to determine that it's not recognising it? [00:19] it doesn't show up in the network admin app and doesn't react when connected to my router anyway [00:20] nothing it does really seems to indicate it notices it [00:20] x788: first, run ifconfig from a terminal to find out if it really hasn't detected it [00:20] by the way, wireless card? [00:20] i don't have one, i would be using it... [00:20] lc2, why cant he run lspci to see if it is detecting it? [00:20] yeah, ifconfig only shows loopback [00:20] freddo_frog: lspci does not show what hardware it has detected, it will show what hardware he has installed [00:21] lc2 what is the differance? [00:21] but, you should run lspci to figure out what network card it is [00:21] if lspci sees it doesnt that mean it has detected it? [00:21] no [00:21] freddo_frog: because lspci will show it there, whether the kernel has detected it or not [00:21] it says it cant find lscpi [00:22] x788: ! [00:22] lspci [00:22] oh, typo [00:22] oh.. [00:22] ok... [00:23] would CardBus bridge be it? [00:23] you'll find something liek: [00:23] 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Accton Technology Corporation EN-1216 Ethernet Adapter (rev 11) [00:23] 00:14.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller (rev a3) [00:25] nothing says anything that references ethernet [00:25] go to www.pastebin.ca and paste the output of lspci [00:25] indeed. [00:25] then give us the link [00:25] uh wait [00:26] you guys in xubuntu are really nice [00:26] how's he meant to do that without intarnets [00:26] PLAN FOILED [00:26] how is he on irc without internet :P [00:26] freddo_frog: from another computer [00:26] type it all up =] [00:26] awesome [00:27] =] [00:27] 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82815 Chipset Host Bridge and Memory Controller Hub (rev 11) [00:27] nah [00:27] next please :P [00:27] x788: hold on, this isn't a pcmcia card is it [00:27] no [00:28] it's built in [00:28] okay, just testing, do continue [00:28] is it possible that it is connected via internel USB =] [00:28] does > direct output to a file or is that only msdos? [00:28] x788: yes [00:28] rockin [00:28] then put it on a USB stick good plan :P [00:29] very good plan. [00:29] make sure you make it .txt so windows knows what it is :P [00:30] what distro do you run lc2? [00:30] freddo_frog: xubuntu, of course [00:32] i am using debian at the moment [00:32] pastebin says i forged my post and gave me a 15 min ban so here you go.... [00:32] 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82815 815 Chipset Host Bridge and Memory Controller Hub (rev 11) [00:32] wtf [00:32] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82815 Chipset Graphics Controller (CGC) (rev 11) [00:32] 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 03) [00:32] 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801BAM ISA Bridge (LPC) (rev 03) [00:32] 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801BAM IDE U100 Controller (rev 03) [00:32] 00:1f.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM USB Controller #1 (rev 03) [00:32] 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM SMBus Controller (rev 03) [00:32] 00:1f.4 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM USB Controller #1 (rev 03) [00:32] haha [00:32] 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) [00:32] 01:03.0 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc. OZ6933/711E1 CardBus/SmartCardBus Controller (rev 01) [00:32] 01:03.1 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc. OZ6933/711E1 CardBus/SmartCardBus Controller (rev 01) [00:32] is that it? [00:32] is that it? [00:32] yup [00:33] ooh, an echo [00:33] x788: okay, one sec [00:33] what happens if you do lsusb] [00:33] lsusb [00:33] it shows two things which have ids of 0000:0000 [00:33] what are there names? [00:33] it has two usb ports which are both empty right now [00:34] ok [00:34] Bus 002 Device 001, and Bus 001 Device 001 [00:34] http://support.euro.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/ins2500/en/sm_en/specs.htm#1000450 [00:34] does not mention an ethernet card [00:34] are you sure you do not mean a modem? [00:35] i mean network adapter? [00:35] ok [00:35] x788: one sec plox [00:35] ethernet, 8 pins... am i just being stupid or something? [00:35] 8 pins? [00:35] not pins [00:36] x788: if you've plugged an ethernet cable into it, then it's an ethernet card [00:36] i'm googling what it is [00:36] yes [00:36] x788: it's a 2500 right, not some sub-variant of such [00:36] it says 2500 on it. [00:37] have you tried looking up the computer on Dells site by service tag (serial #no) it usually tells you exactly what was installed [00:37] one second... [00:38] do you have a quick link to where i can do a service tag lookup? [00:39] nevermind, just found it [00:41] http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Dell_Inspiron_2500 [00:41] according to that it's a 3c905, but, that doesn't explain why lspci is not showing it [00:42] lc2 that might be the card in some but not others [00:42] meh [00:42] in some dell inspiron 2500s but not others? [00:42] sense, this does not make [00:44] 1 1G482 KIT..., CARD (CIRCUIT)..., NETWORK..., PC MEMORY CARD INTL. ASSOC...., QUICK FIX ENGINEERING..., WORLD WIDE... [00:44] some have differant brand components [00:44] that's the only line in the service tag lookup that has anything that might be related to this [00:44] should i restart to bios or something for more info? [00:45] x788: yes [00:45] x788: go to your bios and make sure the onboard ethernet is not disabled or some crazy shit [00:46] (i've just looked, according to more than one place the eepro100 driver should work, but we still have the issue of it not showing up on lspci) [00:47] maybe the card is dead? [00:47] it doesn't say anything about the card in bios... [00:47] i find that unlikely [00:48] as far as i can find... [00:48] x788: it doesn't have an option to disable/enable it in the bios? [00:48] (it probably does, look harder) [00:48] Dells almost always do [00:48] my acer laptop bios is compete crap, i can only change the time [00:49] under the System Devices tab it lists: ide controller, internal touchpad, serial port (with sub-options), parallel port (with sub-options), and mini-PCI device (which it says is not installed) [00:49] wut [00:50] x788: did this card work *before* you installed lunix? [00:50] (brb, tea) [00:50] that's something i'm unsure of lul [00:51] it seems like it is a problem with the hardware [00:51] well crap [00:51] is this your first time trying linux? [00:52] x788: boot into linux, sudo modprobe eepro100 and hope for the best [00:52] but i think it's likely what freddo_frog said [00:52] you got a second opinion =] [00:52] first time: yes. i've actually installed on any other computer because i didn't have any reason to [00:53] what got you interested in it? [00:54] you cannot apply for a job with toys 'r us on linux, it says unsupported operating system lol [00:54] haha fail [00:54] i'd been messing with live cds and when i got this thing it was running windows 2000 so i thought fuck that i'm using something more up to date [00:54] like ubuntu [00:55] lc2 do you see linux becoming the main O/S within the next five years? [00:55] freddo_frog: no [00:55] 10? [00:55] it'll do the same thing unix systems always have, perpetual fringe operating systems [00:56] hmm [00:56] psh, even with vista causing some upset, it's not going to get people to move away from windows that fast. [00:56] i think with the awarness of the eeepc and other clones [00:56] acer is starting to pre install linux [00:56] and dell has been [00:56] x788: i had the misfortune of using a vista machine the other day [00:56] my mums laptop has vista [00:57] it is so painful waiting 10 seconds to switch from firefox to thunderbird [00:57] it had twice my processor power (in raw mhz terms) and four times the RAM [00:57] i couldn't believe how slow it was [00:57] i hate how you cannot do anything till it is fully started up [00:58] i did "sudo modprobe eepro100" and it didn't seem to do anything. no warning messages though. [00:58] x788: and ifconfig didn't show any new interfaces? [00:58] nope [00:59] x788: well, shit. :\ [00:59] x788: i can only suggest that it's a hardware issue [00:59] meh, it's just annoying having a shitty box just sitting there isolated. it really has no purpose. [01:00] x788: i'm thinking [01:00] pmcia card? [01:00] that's definitely an option, i just didn't want to have to spend the cash. maybe i'll just ebay a cheap one [01:00] yeah [01:00] x788: can you give me your service #? [01:00] or whatever it was [01:01] 6KZ9T01 [01:02] x788: *thinks* [01:03] okay, so it's not an eepro100 [01:05] ? [01:05] i read somewhere that the card was an eepro100, but the internet is full of lies [01:06] yeah [01:06] if you're expecting a response from me, don't. i have no idea. [01:06] x788: i know, i'm thinking out loud [01:07] x788, where are you from? [01:07] texas, you? [01:07] Australia [01:08] gnahh [01:08] what is gnahh [01:08] expression of frustration/contempt [01:08] ok =] [01:08] dell says it's a 3com FE575C, which is a pcmcia card, which his card is not [01:12] and none of this explains why lspci is not picking it up [01:13] mybe it is a pmcia card [01:13] it's not, because it's internal [01:13] and there's still the lspci issue [01:14] if lspci is not detecting it then it is a hardware issue right? [01:14] well, maybe [01:15] (i've just checked, if it *is* a 3com 3c55x device, that device is listed in /usr/share/misc/pci.ids, so it's not as if lspci can't recognise it because of that) [01:15] gimme 5 min, im gonna go get some food. [01:15] x788: you do that [01:18] lc2, where are you from? [01:18] freddo_frog: england [01:18] cool [01:20] back [01:21] wb [01:22] and okay, x788, do something [01:22] lsmod | grep yenta [01:24] yenta_socket 27532 2 [01:24] rsrc_nonstatic 14080 1 yenta_socket [01:24] pcmcia_core 40980 3 pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic [01:24] okay, wtf [01:24] so it's not even that [01:24] * lc2 thinks moar. [01:25] moar? [01:25] moar. [01:26] x788: apparently, you're not the first person to have had this problem [01:26] so says google [01:27] x788: as in, exactly the same nonsense you've having, the card not showing up on lspci on a dell inspiron 2500 [01:27] TIS A MYSTERY [01:27] x788: let's see what else we can google up [01:27] augh [01:29] actually, i'm going to get tea, and think some more [01:29] brb [01:29] tea sounds good right now, but i dont have any :( [01:31] * lc2 makes you some tea. [01:32] lul thx [01:34] x788: random thought, do you have an onboard modem [01:34] yup, right next to the ethernet port [01:34] x788: see if you can disable it in teh bios [01:35] 1 sec to restart.. [01:35] x788: also disable anything else you don't use (parallel port, for example) [01:35] what was the yenta thing about? [01:37] freddo_frog: that's the module for the cardbus bridge [01:37] k [01:37] the modem isnt there, i turned off the serial and parallel ports [01:37] boot now? [01:38] x788: may as well [01:38] gotta be worth a shot [01:41] it's up [01:41] what should i do now? [01:41] ifconfig [01:41] lspci? [01:41] lspci [01:41] and friends [01:42] friends? [01:42] lspci and ifconfig haven't changed [01:42] :( [01:42] * lc2 bangs his head against the wall [01:43] x788: okay, open up /proc/interrupts [01:43] actually, copy /proc/interrupts onto your USB thing and send it off to the pastebin [01:46] once again it says i forged it so... [01:46] CPU0 [01:47] 0: 33745 XT-PIC-XT timer [01:47] 1: 176 XT-PIC-XT i8042 [01:47] 2: 0 XT-PIC-XT cascade [01:47] 5: 0 XT-PIC-XT uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2, yenta, yenta, Intel 82801BA-ICH2 [01:47] 6: 4 XT-PIC-XT floppy [01:47] 7: 2 XT-PIC-XT parport0 [01:47] 8: 3 XT-PIC-XT rtc [01:47] 9: 22076 XT-PIC-XT acpi [01:47] 12: 13023 XT-PIC-XT i8042 [01:47] 14: 7879 XT-PIC-XT libata [01:47] 15: 3208 XT-PIC-XT libata [01:47] NMI: 0 [01:47] LOC: 0 [01:47] ERR: 0 [01:47] MIS: 0 [01:48] interesting [01:48] * lc2 ponders. [01:49] x788: okay, /var/log/dmesg [01:49] (and please pastebin that somewhere, it'll be xbox hueg) [01:49] wb freddo_frog [01:49] thanks =] [01:49] lulz gimme a second [01:49] xbox hueg? [01:53] http://pastebin.com/m561d97b6 [01:54] * lc2 reads. [01:58] * lc2 is re-reading. [02:00] x788: last-ditch attempt: try the suggestion at line 117 [02:02] i typed "acpi pci=routeirq" and it tells me my battery level.... [02:03] x788: you're meant to use that as a kernel parameter [02:03] i forgot how to do that, lawl [02:03] hold on [02:04] oops, lul [02:06] okay [02:07] sudo mousepad /boot/grub/menu.lst [02:07] go down to ## ## End Default Options ## (line 128 here) [02:07] you should have a line like [02:07] kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-18-generic root=UUID=36c2ba78-a49c-420c-83fa-283bd30533f6 ro quiet splash [02:08] after "splash", on the same line [02:08] noapic nolapic pci=routeirq [02:10] save and restart? [02:10] yes [02:11] yes [02:11] ECHO [02:13] that was weird lol, i am on the phone to the USA and she had to do something, their radio presenter sounds funny lol [02:14] * lc2 found it weird listening to american presenters on the radio while he was there [02:14] yeah [02:17] lspci is the same [02:17] ifconfig still only shows loopback [02:17] :( [02:17] x788: i'm officially out of ideas. :/ [02:17] lul, what ever [02:17] x788: sorry i can't be more help [02:18] thanx for workin on it [02:18] x788: i can only suggest buying a cheap pcmcia card [02:18] that's prbly what im gonna do [02:18] :/ sorry [02:19] should i reverse that last step? [02:19] just to get everything back to normal or is it not important? [02:20] x788: may as well [02:20] x788: try posting to the ubuntu forums, maybe someone there can figure it out [02:20] k [02:20] although [02:20] if it's a hardware issue, *shrug* [02:25] thx for the help, gotta bounce [02:26] :\ [02:27] ÀÊÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÓÒí åëęŕ ĚĚĚĚĚÅÅąĆČ½½¾¾××±±± ♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪źźŹŻŽžż źźźźźźźЯЮЭЬЫЪЩШЧЦфхÉÀ¿¢£щцчшъыьюяэээээээээ [02:28] hello i am having a problem accessing an ntfs drive seems sometimes i can and sometimes i can't [02:28] right now i can't [02:29] dabud: check /var/log/kern.log and friends [02:29] but do define "can't", what happens when you try? [02:30] failed to open directory "MUSIC" Permission denied [02:31] did you mount it as root [02:31] (also try sudo ls /dir/here ) [02:32] i dont think so i just used ntfs-3g anf it worked ok for a while along with another ntfs drive I have [02:32] the other drive is stillaccessible but not thisone [02:33] "permission denied" suggests that it is working [02:33] do you get that when you try to mount it? or when you try to do anything with it? [02:33] yes but then how would i change permissions on it [02:34] ^^ see question [02:34] it is auto mounted thru ntfs-3g i believe and i can't DO anything with it [02:34] i know the drive is ok i rebooted into Windows and checked [02:35] dabud: run mount, make sure the filesystem is actually mounted [02:35] how do i do that? [02:35] go to a terminal, type "mount" [02:35] today I am having trouble with file-roller [02:36] it takes about 4 minutes to start up [02:36] lc2 i see all other drives but not that one [02:36] and then it runs poorly [02:37] dabud what are you trying to do? [02:37] access a ntfs harddrive that i thot was mounted apparently it is not [02:37] xbj9000: strace file-roller [02:37] ah I helped someone with this just last night [02:37] xbj9000: see what's causing the holdup [02:38] or file-roller whateverfile.ext [02:38] whoah endless scrolling [02:38] xbj9000: yes [02:39] so if its not mounted why is it listed in fstab? [02:39] what is the fstab line? [02:40] and more to the point why would ntfs-3g mount my other ntfs drive and not this one? [02:40] xbj9000: you'll probably see it hold up on certain system calls while it's starting up [02:40] sec xbj9000 [02:40] xbj9000: that, or run top and see the state of the program while it's being slow [02:41] lc2 I don't know what to do with this info [02:41] xbj9000: oh. [02:42] #/dev/sda1 [02:42] UUID=82444AB2444AA92D /media/Music vfat defaults,locale=en_CA.UTF-8 0 0 [02:42] it should say ntfs-3g instead of vfat probably [02:42] what is the file system? [02:42] can i change that? [02:43] yeah [02:43] also the uuid looks odd to me, and you can use a normal path instead of UUID=123456789 [02:43] i'll try bbiab ty lc2 xbj9000 [02:43] like replace that part with /dev/sda1 [02:44] lc2 at this time it's saying a lot of NULL resource unavailable etc. [02:44] xbj9000: yeah, that's just the result of selects [02:45] I'm just going to junk it and use xarchive / xarchiver [02:45] xbj9000: yeah, you do that :D [02:45] gnome sucks [02:45] :D [02:45] heh [02:45] well this machine is a 500MHz celeron so it's going to be using xubuntu :p [02:45] it's for a friend [02:46] I normally like file roller on my own machine [02:46] but even there I have to use xarchive for password protected rar's [02:47] happen to know much about NES emulators? [02:50] ok i went and changed it ti ntfs-3g in fstab [02:50] do i have to reboot to make it work? [02:51] yeah [02:52] did you change the UUID? [02:52] no shud i have [02:52] I usually do just because it's easier to read with normal paths [02:52] this ntfs-3g is supposed to do all that? [02:53] tell me what to change pls [02:53] the ntfs-3g part identifies the partition as windows ntfs format [02:53] ok [02:53] replace UUID=82444AB2444AA92D with /dev/sda1 [02:54] how do i know its sda1 [02:54] well the comment line said it is and I assumed that's correct [02:54] an fstab line works like this... [02:54] well i am not sure any command to tell me that? [02:54]