[00:02] <asac> bug 239022
[00:02] <asac> hmm
[00:02] <asac> ok
[00:15] <fta> ssh: connect to host bazaar.launchpad.net port 22: Connection refused
[00:47] <asac> yeah
[00:49] <asac> just hope that the bugmail i send is not discarded :)
[00:50] <asac> 'night!
[01:33] <fta> http://np237.livejournal.com/18484.html
[08:30] <asac> fta: well, i wont consider joss cite-worthy ;)
[09:10] <asac> cwong1: sorry ... forgot to ping you :/
[09:10] <asac> cwong1: maybe today :)
[10:16] <armin76> this is stupid
[10:17]  * armin76 blames asac 
[10:17] <armin76> gentoo bug 193954
[10:17] <armin76> eh?
[10:18] <armin76> http://bugs.gentoo.org/227951 <- still not fixed on 3.0 :(
[10:19] <asac> armin76: how is that a ffox issue?
[10:22] <armin76> its a configure script issue
[15:57] <armin76> asac: nss-3.12 got released
[16:08] <asac> armin76: tomorrow ;)
[16:16] <rzr> hi
[16:16] <asac> hi
[16:16] <rzr> asac: how can I help w/ Flashblock : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashblock/+bug/239151 ?
[16:17] <rzr> asac: the code need to be merged your side right ?
[16:18] <asac> rzr: could you actually reproduce the crash?
[16:19] <rzr> didnt tried yet, I guess new upstream'll close this bug
[16:20] <asac> well
[16:20] <asac> guessing is fine, knowing is better :)
[16:20] <rzr> And I am lazy to boot  my 2000 db Desktop PC
[16:20] <rzr> let me ssh to some hardy box :)
[16:22] <asac> rzr: did you look at your branch? :) https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rzr/firefox-extensions/flashblock.ubuntu
[16:22] <asac> there are two commits without real email ;)
[16:22] <rzr> yes I noticed afteraward
[16:23] <rzr> I used sshfs , and my Env was lost
[16:24] <asac> rzr: you didnt syn with the released branch before updating
[16:25] <asac> e.g. there is no release commit on your branch as is in:
[16:25] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/firefox-extensions/flashblock.ubuntu
[16:25] <rzr> right
[16:25] <rzr> let's do it now
[16:25] <asac> do what?
[16:26] <rzr> merge
[16:26] <asac> let me see what happens when merging
[16:26] <rzr> debian/changelog conflict
[16:26] <rzr> i am resolving it
[16:27] <asac> rzr: let me do the fix
[16:27] <asac> rzr: then drop your branch
[16:27] <rzr> ok
[16:27] <asac> and next time start with release branch ;)
[16:27] <rzr> sure
[16:29] <Yannig> Hello everybody
[16:29] <Yannig> Hello asac
[16:29] <rzr> salut
[16:29] <Yannig> Salut rzr
[16:30] <asac> hi
[16:30] <Yannig> asac: Tell me: what can I do if I want to make test my translations by others on Mac and Windows?
[16:31] <rzr> Yannig: doing tranlation to occitant ? is there a big translation community there ?
[16:31] <Yannig> rzr: Me :P
[16:31] <Yannig> rzr: But I'd like others to test, in order that they tell me what they think of it
[16:32] <rzr> ok, because I am born in toulouse and lived there 25 years ,and I dont even know how to say "hello world" :)
[16:32] <Yannig> Two friends of mine would do it, they installed xulrunner and firefox translations but no way :P
[16:32] <Yannig> rzr: :D
[16:33] <rzr> a random localisation feature would help pple to learn other languages :)
[16:33] <Yannig> rzr: but Ubuntu is 11% translated, GNOME 33%, Firefox 36%, etc. :-)
[16:33] <Yannig> rzr: Why not :)
[16:36] <rzr> anyone run intrepid here ?, is beta1 out ?
[16:36] <asac> rzr: i merged it and dropped a comment in bug
[16:36] <asac> please fix that on top of the release branch i pushed :)
[16:36] <asac> then tell me and will upload to intrepid
[16:36] <rzr> ok
[16:36] <asac> cool
[16:37] <rzr> i am working on some other package at the same time
[16:37] <rzr> so dont be too hury
[16:40] <asac> its just opening a new bug and changing the bug id in changelog :)
[16:44] <Yannig> asac: Any idea?
[16:47] <Yannig> rzr: Wouldn't you know? ;-)
[16:47] <rzr> know what ? I am the guess man :)
[16:48] <Yannig> rzr: Great, lucky me :-)
[16:49] <rzr> I see that If you pay me a beer when I am back in occitanie you'll avoid big trouble
[16:50] <rzr> X forwarding is so slow, Are there libre aternative like NX ?
[16:50] <Yannig> rzr: Can be done, if you have an answer to my question ;-)
[16:51] <rzr> the question about merging your changes upstream ?
[16:51] <Yannig> rzr: Nope :-)
[16:52] <Yannig> rzr: asac explained me how to make xpi with my Occitan translations, I did them, I installed them on my computer (Ubuntu) and it works
[16:52] <rzr> I'll suggest you to join a mozilla community
[16:52] <rzr> like xulfr
[16:52] <Yannig> I'd like to know how to make them work for people on Windows and Mac
[16:53] <rzr> they seams pretty active arent they ?
[16:53] <Yannig> Mozilla does not want to hear from a translating before it's finished :-(
[16:53] <rzr> mozco
[16:54] <rzr> there are many communities related to mozilla ... xulfr is one of them
[17:11] <asac> Yannig: id you try to use them on win?
[17:12] <Yannig> id.
[17:12] <Yannig> ?
[17:12] <asac> did
[17:12] <Yannig> Nope, it's been a long time I didn't use Win
[17:12] <Yannig> I'll do it, someone advised me to try Locale switcher
[17:15] <asac> yeah
[17:15] <asac> thats the official way of switching locales
[17:15] <Yannig> Great :-)
[17:15] <Yannig> Thanks :-)
[17:15] <asac> maybe you can use matchOS preference, but not sure how to set windows environment to your locale
[17:15] <Yannig> If Locale switcher works, it will be perfect for testing
[17:18]  * asac off for a few
[17:19] <Yannig> See you, I have to go back to work.
[18:17] <armin76> asac: fta: have you noticed the bug with the spaces in the address bar?
[18:19] <armin76> asac: fta: if your address bar has an url with spaces, and you do ctrl-c, it translates the spaces to %20 when you paste it, however if you use unix paste(selection) it doesn't
[18:41] <fta> armin76, same with "'"
[18:41] <fta> ' => %27
[18:52] <armin76> fta: any bug upstream?
[18:55] <fta> not sure it's a bug, both make sense
[18:57] <armin76> why? ctcl-c converts it
[19:00] <fta> one selects text, the other selects properly encoded url
[19:00] <fta> well, i have no strong opinion on which is better
[19:00] <fta> 16 min left for the download day
[19:02] <fta> stevel, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/sb-0.6.png
[19:03] <fta> stevel, seems to work fine, yet i have a lot of error messages in the console
[19:03] <armin76> fta: asac: btw another bug: #fff is black
[19:03] <fta> armin76, file a bug
[19:04] <stevel> fta: awesome :) do you mean the JS console, or the stderr console?
[19:04] <fta> stevel, both
[19:05] <stevel> fta: can you pastebin or email them to me (stevel at songbirdnest dot com) and i'll take a look in a bit?
[19:05] <stevel> (about to go onto a panel for about an hour, but i can take a look after that)
[19:05] <fta> ok
[19:16] <fta> 8,249,092
[19:17] <fta> hm, still moving
[19:25] <armin76> fta: nevermind that #fff thing :P
[20:09] <asac> fta_: do we have a seamonkey 1.1 branch?
[20:11] <asac> gandi: hi
[20:11] <asac> what can we do?
[20:11] <armin76> bumb ff :D
[20:11] <asac> armin76: for you ?
[20:12] <gandi> asac: I'll have an internet this summer
[20:12] <gandi> who is a member of Ubuntu community
[20:12] <asac> internee?
[20:12] <gandi> and he'd like to work on Ubuntu-Mozilla integration
[20:12] <gandi> yea
[20:12] <asac> ah ok
[20:12] <gandi> sorry, I'm so much used to writing the former ;)
[20:12] <asac> gandi: hehe. thats good news.
[20:12] <gandi> would you be able to talk to him and help him choosing most needed things to be done?
[20:13] <asac> gandi: we have two main topics that are already pretty much specified ;)
[20:14] <gandi> can I introduce him to you?
[20:14] <asac> gandi: get him here and we can have a virtual IRC conference
[20:14] <asac> absolutely
[20:15] <asac> gandi: when would that be?
[20:16] <xionox> hi
[20:16] <gandi> asac: meet xionox
[20:16] <gandi> xionox: meet asec :)
[20:16] <armin76> hi asec :D
[20:16] <gandi> Asec is a leader of Ubuntu Mozilla team
[20:16] <xionox> ok
[20:16] <gandi> xionox will be working from Mozilla Europe HQ during summer
[20:17] <gandi> and he's interested in helping making Firefox work better on Ubuntu :)
[20:17] <xionox> yep
[20:17] <armin76> haha
[20:18] <xionox> :)
[20:18] <gandi> asac: can you help xionox choose priorities and select what he'll be working on?
[20:18] <xionox> if I can work on something
[20:20] <asac> hi xionox
[20:20] <xionox> hi asac
[20:21] <asac> xionox: what are your ideas?
[20:21] <asac> e.g. what areas of integration do you see that can be improved?
[20:22] <xionox> it is prety well integrated now
[20:22] <fta_> asac, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/seamonkey/seamonkey-1.1.dev
[20:22] <asac> i have some concrete things in mind, but I am always happy to hear about others :)
[20:23] <xionox> it can be easy things, like pakaging extensions
[20:23] <xionox> but i don't have many idea in mind now
[20:24] <gandi> asac: for example xionox proposed he could write on adding a button on "firefox cannot be started because there is already another version started" window to kill all other instances
[20:24] <gandi> asac: do you have a list of ToDo?
[20:24] <asac> gandi: not really written down. but there are several things i have in mind
[20:24] <asac> xionox: are you more or less experienced with firefox code?
[20:24] <gandi> feel free to impregnate xionox's mind with them ;D
[20:25] <asac> gandi: I'll do :)
[20:25] <xionox> nop
[20:25] <gandi> I'm going to do XUL training on xionox at the first days
[20:25] <asac> ah ok
[20:25] <gandi> we want to make sure xionox can work on Mozilla code
[20:25] <xionox> I'm totally beginner about mozilla code
[20:25] <asac> ok good.
[20:25] <asac> yeah. how long will you internship last?
[20:25] <gandi> around 6 weeks
[20:26] <xionox> yep
[20:26] <asac> ok good.
[20:26] <xionox> but i have (i think) strong knowledge about ubuntu and linux in general
[20:27] <asac> ok. let me give the main things that should happen or at least get started this cycle integration wise
[20:27] <asac> 1. improve the plugin finder server experience.
[20:28] <asac> the main task here is to add description to the results and to make the apturl run not block the mozilla UI
[20:28] <asac> (tell me if things are not clear as you might miss context :))
[20:29] <asac> 2. work on getting our plugin finder features into the mozilla main tree
[20:29] <xionox> i understand
[20:29] <asac> for this we need to make the plugin finder service capable of new install methods (e.g. dpkg, rpm)
[20:30] <asac> and most likely we should also take care that packaged extensions also show up in the extensions dialog
[20:30] <asac> thats most likely a bit too much to get started
[20:30] <asac> 3. improve kde integration
[20:31] <asac> we have a spec on that here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Firefox3KDEIntegrationIntrepid
[20:32] <asac> 4. provide a mechanism that notifies users in case there are plugin alternatives available and allow them to switch plugin used for a certain content-type
[20:32] <asac> this should probably be done with upstreaming in mind
[20:33] <asac> btw, 4. is part of another spec https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FlashExperienceIntrepid
[20:33] <xionox> ha ok
[20:34] <asac> 5. make upgrades safer :)
[20:34] <asac> this is a continuing task i guess. some ideas involve to display that firefox needs to be restarted in the firefox UI
[20:35] <asac> another idea involves locking down access to "new"(not yet loaded) chrome or "new" (not yet loaded) components
[20:35] <asac> as those are the cases where firefox running after upgrade is at danger of going wild
[20:36] <xionox> ok
[20:36] <asac> xionox: you can also work on multiple of these and pick the easy parts to get started
[20:36] <asac> e.g. for 5. make the button that allows users to restart firefox
[20:37] <asac> for kde integration fix the "set background image" feature ... and so on
[20:37] <asac> xionox: you think any of those is something you would like to work on?
[20:37] <xionox> yes
[20:38] <xionox> any
[20:38] <asac> cool
[20:38] <asac> ;)
[20:38] <asac> any preference?
[20:38] <xionox> no
[20:38] <asac> gandi: what do you think?
[20:38] <xionox> I just don't know if i could do one of these things on my own
[20:38] <asac> maybe start with some low hanging fruits? like adding "description" to plugin finder service results in ubufox
[20:39] <asac> and adding restart button
[20:39] <asac> on upgrades
[20:39] <gandi> xionox: You can look at developer.mozilla.org
[20:39] <gandi> just eyescan
[20:40] <gandi> XUL tutorial to get an idea how easy XUL is
[20:40] <gandi> ;)
[20:40] <asac> xionox: once we know the initial tasks, I could try to provide initial pointers in a mini-spec document
[20:40] <xionox> ok
[20:40] <gandi> generally speaking, I would recommend just scanning through what asac said and seeing what's best for you :)
[20:40] <xionox> it seam good for me
[20:40] <gandi> it's also about what do you think motivates you most, what would you like to work on :)
[20:41] <xionox> I'm ok to work on any of these tasks
[20:41] <xionox> i find each of them interesting
[20:41] <gandi> cool!
[20:41] <gandi> :)
[20:42] <gandi> but you'll have to make a decision one day, you know that, right? ;D
[20:42] <asac> gandi: i think the final decision should be done after initial work was done
[20:42] <asac> its easier to estimate what is possible after having done a few things
[20:42] <gandi> can you guys exchange emails so that you can contact each other? xionox for help, asac once he'll find another ToDo ? ;)
[20:42] <gandi> asac: definitely
[20:42] <asac> not sure if thats possible in a 6 weeks timeframe
[20:42] <asac> :)
[20:43] <asac> gandi: sure.
[20:43] <xionox> yes
[20:43] <gandi> I'm just trying to help xionox build a list and rightsize to make sure he'll be able to work at least on a few useful to the end during internship :)
[20:43] <xionox> I agree
[20:43] <asac> xionox: you can always ping me here ... i might be in bed from time to time, but in general i am here ;)
[20:43] <asac> otherwise asac@ubuntu.com
[20:44] <xionox> xionox@gmail.com for me
[20:47] <asac> xionox: ok, so lets say we start on "safer upgrades"?
[20:47] <xionox> it work for me
[20:47] <asac> xionox: if so, I'd draft a spec out of it and let you know
[20:48] <xionox> what initial knowledge will i need to do that ?
[20:48] <asac> xionox: a bit mozilla xul and xpcom and general ubuntu knowledge
[20:48] <asac> e.g. you might need to contribute patches to the update-notifier
[20:49] <asac> i think its  good balance
[20:49] <asac> e.g. you can work on the ubuntu topics if you get stack on the "new" mozilla territory
[20:49] <xionox> ok :)
[20:49] <asac> the xul + xpcom requirements are not really high
[20:49] <asac> most likely as low as possible for something that has real-life value :)
[20:49] <xionox> i will see with gandi for the xul
[20:50] <asac> xionox: when will the internship start?
[20:50] <xionox> 7 of july
[20:50] <asac> ok cool. will you be regularly in this channel?
[20:51] <asac> if so, kick me here if you have heard nothing about the "safer upgrade" spec in a week
[20:51] <xionox> if you are, I think yes
[20:51] <asac> i am always here :)
[20:51] <xionox> ok
[20:51] <asac> sometime afk ;)
[20:51] <asac> cool great
[20:51] <asac> looking forward
[20:52] <asac> xionox: maybe start reading on MDC before you start as gandi suggested
[20:52] <asac> so you get basic knowledge :)
[20:52] <gandi> MDC = developer.mozilla.org
[20:53] <xionox> yes, i will
[20:58] <xionox> so, see you after the 7of july ?
[21:05] <gandi> xionox: feel free to jump in before :)
[21:08] <xionox> ok, thanks
[21:08] <xionox> bye asac
[21:20] <fta> mozilla bug 436870
[21:24] <cwong1> asac: ping.. got a quick question for u
[21:26] <asac> cwong1: y
[21:26] <cwong1> asac: Are you folk still accept bug fixes for midbrowser?
[21:27] <cwong1> s/accept/accepting/
[21:29] <cwong1> asac: ^^^?
[21:30] <asac> cwong1: depends
[21:30] <asac> what fixes?
[21:30] <cwong1> asac: there is a problem with aboutbox not scale properly at 800x480
[21:31] <cwong1> asac: I have a simple fix for that.
[21:32] <asac> cwong1: we can do that. but i'd rather like to accumulate more fixes before starting the SRU process
[21:33] <asac> cwong1: so the idea is that you keep working on master and then we cherry-pick the important fixes regularly
[21:33] <cwong1> asac: that sounds good to me.
[21:33] <cwong1> asac: let do that unless Compal start scream for the fix.
[21:34] <asac> yes. to suffice immediate demand one can also upload to PPA i guess
[21:34] <asac> but for main hardy we should update midbrowser at regular intervals
[21:35] <cwong1> ok
[21:35] <asac> we could say that we align midbrowser update cycle with firefox one
[21:37] <asac> cwong1: what about a roadmap for midbrowser 1.0? improving toolbar would be an immediate need i guess
[21:37] <asac> the usability lacks behind ... and adding fingerscroll for textfields
[21:38] <cwong1> asac: We don't have plan for midbrowser 1.0 yet. I agree with u that the toolbar needs some work. We are currently looking at Friefox mobile.
[21:39] <cwong1> I like what they did by combining the urlbar and searchbar into 1
[21:39] <asac> cwong1: right. there are various other concepts in there that are nice
[21:40] <asac> point is that i havent seen any date when there will be something usable
[21:40] <asac> any idea?
[21:40] <cwong1> The latest is beta by yearend.  It will release the same time as Firefox 3.1.
[21:41] <cwong1> I built a prototype from their source repository and got it running on a Samsung Q1. Looks good. Unforunately most of other UI are not there yet.
[21:42] <cwong1> But the toolbar looks great.
[21:43] <cwong1> The build instruction can be found at: http://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Fennec
[22:43] <fta> brb
[23:05] <fta> i like the new gtk look in intrepid
[23:11] <fta> stevel, some of the errors i get: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/463196
[23:12] <stevel> fta: cool, i'll take a look
[23:13] <fta> stevel, is there a way to prevent the main sb window from being stuck in the visible part of the desktop ?
[23:13] <stevel> thanks
[23:14] <stevel> fta: i think there's an open bug on that
[23:14]  * stevel roots around
[23:16] <fta> stevel, those are in my shell: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/463201
[23:18] <stevel> fta: so your first pastebin, the JS errors - those are all currently known bugs
[23:18] <stevel> if you care, i can dig up the bug numbers - but some of them are already being worked on
[23:19] <stevel> the one for line #9 is because the GStreamer media core lacked the getSupportForURI() call, and has been fixed in trunk already
[23:19] <stevel> i recgnise the errors on line 1 & 7, i believe bugs are already filed for them - not sure if they're being worked on
[23:20] <stevel> not sure i recognise the one on line 14, but i feel like i overheard talk about it the other day - i'll look into that one further
[23:20] <stevel> i don't recognise the ones from the second pastebin - but i'll look into those as well
[23:21] <fta> cool, thanks