| nealmcb | can anyone compare the diagnostics available for a dell PowerEdge 2850 on ubuntu vs centos? My buddy wants to switch to centos from a really old ubuntu distro. I recall hearing that dell had opensourced some management software for their stuff but he seems to think that at least the diagnostics are only rpm-based and the alien stuff didn't seem to work for him | 00:25 |
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| jetsaredim | is there something special that needs to be done to be able to install from scratch with a pppoe connection? why are these tools not built-in to the install cd | 00:34 |
| nealmcb | !pppoe | 00:35 |
| ubottu | Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE | 00:35 |
| nealmcb | jetsaredim: ^ | 00:36 |
| nealmcb | though I haven't tried it... and I have to run now..... | 00:36 |
| nealmcb | back to poweredge and diagnostics - as I heard it, the diagnostics are on a cd that came with the system a few years ago. I don't know if it is part of the omsa/openmanage or the ipmi stuff they're doing | 00:44 |
| nxvl | nealmcb: around? | 01:31 |
| nxvl | nealmcb: i think it will be kind of hard for ebox to use augeas | 01:31 |
| nxvl | nealmcb: ebox is writting in perl, while augeas is a C library with bindings for python and ruby only | 01:32 |
| ryoohki | anyone seen this when kick starting hardy server 8.04 amd64 "Loading kickseed-common failed for unknown reasons"? | 02:22 |
| captbaritone | phpmyadmin seems to be stuck running a query and I can't get it to load. Is there a way to have it stop? | 02:22 |
| zul | nealmcb: ebox written in perl not a good thing | 03:13 |
| emgent | morning | 03:13 |
| ScottK | Depends on the Perl. Lots of good stuff in Perl. Lots of bad. | 03:13 |
| Colin_ | Hey, how do I get my server to give out internet. It has three network cards, two are in use atm. One is internet from the dsl modem, the other goes out to the LAN. The server has internet, but it won't distribute it, although dhcp is working becauseit is distributing ip addresses | 05:12 |
| nealmcb | nxvl, zul: offhand it seems like adding perl bindings for augeas would be a lot less work than maintaining a backend for all the interesting services, if augeas is indeed useful in that regard..... I'd prefer python all things being equal, but reinventing things because of language preferences can be a big step backwards. | 05:18 |
| hads | Colin_: You'll need to setup NAT on the gateway box. This can be done quite a few ways, I'd recommend using something like firehol as it will make your like easier. | 05:19 |
| hads | If your DSL modem is also doing nat then you'll be behind double nat which isn't so nice but it may not be a problem for you. | 05:20 |
| Colin_ | hads, ah ok so using IPtables | 05:21 |
| Colin_ | i should have known it wouldn't be simple | 05:21 |
| Colin_ | the modem isn't doing NAT though | 05:21 |
| hads | So your public IP is on the linux box? | 05:21 |
| Colin_ | correct | 05:21 |
| hads | Nice one | 05:22 |
| hads | Hope you've got a firewall already then :) | 05:22 |
| Colin_ | no, but I'm working on it right now, haha | 05:22 |
| hads | I'd really recommend something like firehol, you should be able to setup NAT with one or two lines. | 05:22 |
| Colin_ | ok ill check into that | 05:23 |
| Colin_ | i've heard about others like smoothwall and shorewall, what do you think about those | 05:23 |
| hads | If you run 'firehol helpme' it will try to guess a config for you even :) | 05:23 |
| Colin_ | oh thats nice | 05:23 |
| Colin_ | well I think i'll try that out then | 05:24 |
| nxvl | nealmcb: i was talking about ebox using augeas | 05:25 |
| hads | Colin_: At http://firehol.sourceforge.net/ scroll down there is an example config there, that will show you the jist of it. | 05:25 |
| nxvl | nealmcb: i've been thinking in writing ucsa in C because of augeas | 05:25 |
| Colin_ | hads, I'm actually looking at that right now =) | 05:26 |
| nealmcb | nxvl: I was also - and it would seem that ebox could use augeas if there were some perl bindings, which wouldn't be too hard, would it? | 05:33 |
| Colin_ | I set up firehol according to the documentation, and then started it, but I still don't get internet | 05:56 |
| nxvl | nealmcb: dunno, i don't write perl code for a loooong time | 05:59 |
| * jetsaredim ponders why the installer would not mark / as bootable | 06:22 | |
| kraut | moin | 08:49 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | ubottu, ntfs | 12:10 |
| ubottu | To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubottu NTFS-3g or /msg ubottu FUSE | 12:10 |
| \sh | whoever is interested: adobe flash media server version 3 runs on ubuntu :) | 14:30 |
| lukehasnoname | IBM considers open-sourcing DB2 | 14:31 |
| kerberos | hi all | 14:42 |
| lukehasnoname | hi, network authentication protocol | 14:43 |
| kerberos | can anybody here help me | 14:44 |
| kerberos | how can I ssh or ftp my home server from my university | 14:45 |
| kerberos | how to do all the NAT stuff | 14:45 |
| lukehasnoname | Is your home server behind a router? | 14:46 |
| kerberos | yaa | 14:46 |
| kerberos | I got 1 modem and 1 wireless router | 14:46 |
| lukehasnoname | You'll have to login to your router's config for port forwarding | 14:46 |
| kerberos | my local home server connected to my wireless router | 14:47 |
| lukehasnoname | get your server's internal IP and forward port 22 to that IP | 14:47 |
| kerberos | that is the part that I dont understand | 14:47 |
| lukehasnoname | so when you connect to your home's public IP through port 22, your router will send traffic to your server | 14:47 |
| lukehasnoname | well | 14:47 |
| kerberos | hold on let me try | 14:48 |
| lukehasnoname | your router's IP on your LAN will be 192.168.x.x | 14:49 |
| lukehasnoname | 0.1 usually | 14:49 |
| kerberos | ya correct | 14:49 |
| kerberos | I already login to my router | 14:50 |
| lukehasnoname | k there will be a tab or link to port forwarding, "special apps" or something like that | 14:50 |
| kerberos | I used level one router | 14:50 |
| kerberos | yaa | 14:51 |
| kerberos | forwding rules | 14:51 |
| kerberos | from there I have virtual server/special AP/MISC | 14:51 |
| lukehasnoname | right, find your server's LAN IP and use that, then say forward "port 22" to that LAN IP | 14:51 |
| kerberos | ok done | 14:53 |
| lukehasnoname | now when you connect to your home's public IP using SSH/port 22, your router will send traffic to your server | 14:54 |
| lukehasnoname | if you did it rihgt | 14:54 |
| kerberos | I can try to connect to my public IP from my home | 14:55 |
| kerberos | how about ubuntu server | 14:55 |
| kerberos | do I need to modify the iptables | 14:56 |
| kerberos | do I need to activate the NAT | 14:56 |
| lukehasnoname | I'm not that experienced, but I think you should be fine. | 14:56 |
| lukehasnoname | make sure sshd is running | 14:56 |
| lukehasnoname | (your ssh server) | 14:56 |
| kerberos | yaa | 14:56 |
| kerberos | ssh and ftp is running | 14:56 |
| kerberos | cant connect | 14:57 |
| lukehasnoname | hm | 15:01 |
| the_messenger | have you verified that you can connect to it from inside first? | 15:16 |
| kerberos | yaa | 15:21 |
| kerberos | the_messenger --> can connect from inside | 15:22 |
| the_messenger | k | 15:22 |
| kerberos | connection closed when try to connect to my public IP | 15:23 |
| kerberos | I nmap to my public IP | 15:23 |
| kerberos | all the services are there | 15:23 |
| lukehasnoname | either you configured it wrong, or your ISP blocks incomeing traffice on that port | 15:23 |
| kerberos | port 21 and port 22 | 15:23 |
| the_messenger | are you testing the public address from behind or infront of your router? | 15:23 |
| kerberos | hold on | 15:23 |
| kerberos | let me verify | 15:24 |
| kerberos | behind the router | 15:24 |
| the_messenger | some routers won't route that back in | 15:24 |
| the_messenger | try it from outside | 15:24 |
| kerberos | any extra setting | 15:25 |
| the_messenger | i don't know of any setting to allow it | 15:27 |
| the_messenger | when you are inside use the internal address when you are outside use the public address | 15:28 |
| kerberos | how about the ubunter server itself | 15:29 |
| kerberos | any iptables setting | 15:29 |
| the_messenger | from how I understand it it's a limitation of the device routing your nat, so i don't think the routing on the server would be able to do anything | 15:32 |
| the_messenger | it doesn't know how to go out and nat back in | 15:33 |
| the_messenger | there may be a way to make the router understand it but I haven't found it yet (i'm using a cisco for my router) | 15:34 |
| kerberos | ic | 15:35 |
| the_messenger | but if you have the port forwarded properly and the service works from inside then it should work fine externally | 15:35 |
| kerberos | when I nmap | 15:36 |
| kerberos | sorry | 15:38 |
| kerberos | when I try to nslookup | 15:38 |
| kerberos | can't find server name | 15:39 |
| kerberos | ... | 15:39 |
| LMJ | Did anyone made his homework : download firefox 3 and crontibute to the world largest amount of download in 24h ? http://www.mozilla-europe.org ;) | 15:39 |
| the_messenger | nslookup is checking dns registration, not service availability | 15:39 |
| kerberos | ic | 15:39 |
| kerberos | nmap | 15:39 |
| kerberos | and I'm using dynamic ip | 15:40 |
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| the_messenger | there are several services for doing dynamic dns. I've used www.dyndns.com in the past | 15:48 |
| zul | emgent: how does rapache handle it if you modify the configuration files directly and then use rapache again | 15:48 |
| * jetsaredim is really getting torqued off at the installer | 16:47 | |
| jetsaredim | tried to install ubuntu-server twice - both times I've had to force detection of ide_generic to get the cdrom drive recognized and also after the reboot the system fails to boot | 16:48 |
| jetsaredim | anyone have an idea as to why this would be? | 16:49 |
| nijaba | jetsaredim: file a bug with details about your hardware if you have not done so already | 16:49 |
| jetsaredim | nijaba: on my way there | 16:50 |
| jetsaredim | nijaba: any suggestion about which specific package to file against? | 16:54 |
| nijaba | jetsaredim: kernel ? | 17:07 |
| lukehasnoname | Guys, I have some bad news. My bosses a few levels up have decided to make me do work at my job, so I might not be able to sit on the IRC all day and read the mailing list as it trickles in. I'll still be around a little....sometimes. | 17:08 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: yeah -pulp looks interesting | 17:09 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: have you looked at the interface ? | 17:09 |
| nijaba | yes, that's the cool part | 17:10 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: it uses turbogears IIRC | 17:10 |
| nijaba | mathiaz: but I looked a bit at the code and I trying to see if the backend could be ok for debian packages | 17:10 |
| nijaba | mathiaz: yes turbogears it is | 17:11 |
| nijaba | Koon: https://fedorahosted.org/pulp/ | 17:14 |
| * delcoyote hi | 17:21 | |
| * nijaba takes a break | 17:37 | |
| mathiaz | zul: re bug 240519 - is that a regression from gutsy ? | 17:51 |
| mathiaz | Koon: re bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dnsmasq/+bug/192643 - I'd assign the bug to the network-manager package | 17:55 |
| Koon | mathiaz: yes, I was considering doin g it but I'm not sure it is a bug... like I said it's a missing feature, except if the reporter can find his expected behavior documented somewhere... | 17:56 |
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| mathiaz | Koon: if it's a missing feature, then you can set the importance to whishlist | 17:57 |
| Koon | mathiaz: I need bug-Control power for that ;) | 17:58 |
| mathiaz | Koon: you can ask for membership in #ubuntu-bugs | 17:59 |
| mathiaz | Koon: or bdmurray | 17:59 |
| Koon | mathiaz: ok, will do | 18:00 |
| mathiaz | Koon: and even if you don't have bug-control power, assigning to the NetworkManager package doesn't hurt | 18:00 |
| mathiaz | Koon: it seems that it's a legitimate request | 18:00 |
| mathiaz | Koon: so bringing this up to the network-manager packager is a good thing | 18:00 |
| Koon | doing it right now. | 18:01 |
| zul | mathiaz: yep | 18:06 |
| zul | looks like it | 18:06 |
| mathiaz | zul: ok - then it qualifies for an SRU | 18:06 |
| zul | mathiaz: ok i was going to split the sybase and mssql into their own seperate package | 18:06 |
| zul | intrepid suffers from the same regression but the build system has changed from what it looks like | 18:07 |
| mathiaz | zul: splitting the packages would probably work for intrepid | 18:14 |
| mathiaz | zul: for hardy, you'd have to keep the same package in place | 18:14 |
| zul | mathiaz: thats a bit difficult :) | 18:14 |
| zul | but ill try | 18:15 |
| mathiaz | zul: has the hardy packaging changed a lot from gutsy É | 18:15 |
| mathiaz | zul: ? | 18:15 |
| zul | mathiaz: no but in hardy it uses sed to change the librabry from sybase to mssql | 18:16 |
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| zul | mathiaz: basically the extension has been changed from sybase to mssql if the version is lessed that 5.2.3-2 | 18:22 |
| nxvl | i having problems packaging augeas | 18:26 |
| nxvl | it ships with gnulib | 18:26 |
| nxvl | so i'm trying to remove it from the source and have it as build-depend | 18:26 |
| nxvl | but it's kind of hard coded on the Makefile and configure script | 18:27 |
| nxvl | did anyone can point me to the best way to deal with this? | 18:27 |
| mathiaz | nxvl: try to ask in ubuntu-motu or ubuntu-devel - there is more packaging expertise there | 18:28 |
| nxvl | mathiaz: ok, thnks | 18:28 |
| zul | mathiaz: can the php5-sybase package have both the mssql.ini files and sybase files | 18:32 |
| cbeckley | I have a ubuntu-server machine and I need it to be able to accept 2 separate dsl lines, and output to the LAN. Would balanceNG help me accomplish load balancing with multiple connections? And also, does anyone know of any good tutorials for setting up systems with two internet connections? | 18:34 |
| === bamed|lunch is now known as bamed | ||
| [diablo] | evening guys | 20:38 |
| [diablo] | is there no 64 bit version of JeOS? | 20:38 |
| JanC | no | 20:40 |
| [diablo] | ok | 20:40 |
| lukehasnoname | [diablo]: I know, it's sad | 20:40 |
| sommer_ | [diablo]: you can create a KVM/Qemu image using ubuntu-vm-builder... it'll take a few minutes, but probably less time than downloading an ISO | 20:41 |
| [diablo] | atm I have KVM-70 in my Ubuntu 8.04 x64 desktop ... with a Ubuntu 8.04 Server x64 guest | 20:41 |
| JanC | you need a VM with more than 4 GiB RAM? | 20:41 |
| sommer_ | [diablo]: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/ubuntu-vm-builder.html | 20:41 |
| [diablo] | well, the box has a Q6600 and 4GB of DDR | 20:41 |
| sommer_ | JanC: not necessarily, I've seen it work great with 2G | 20:42 |
| [diablo] | I give my kvm guests 1GB or less | 20:42 |
| sommer_ | heh, you should be good to go :) | 20:42 |
| JanC | why would you want a 64-bit guest kernel if your host system is only 4 GiB RAM? | 20:43 |
| lukehasnoname | JanC: Consistency | 20:43 |
| sommer_ | isn't more always better? heeh | 20:43 |
| [diablo] | I like the idea of a pimped kernel for the virtual server | 20:44 |
| [diablo] | sounds nice | 20:44 |
| JanC | 64-bit will use more memory in most cases, and might even be slower in some cases... | 20:44 |
| [diablo] | JanC, you referring to KVM guests? | 20:44 |
| JanC | kvm or vmware or whatever (I use kvm) | 20:45 |
| [diablo] | I have not heard of any preformance loss using a x64 guest on a x64 host | 20:46 |
| JanC | 64-bit software uses 64-bit pointers, which are double the size of 32-bit pointers... ;) | 20:46 |
| [diablo] | yes | 20:47 |
| [diablo] | but your said might be slower | 20:47 |
| JanC | this also means that less of them fit into the CPU caches, so more cache misses & more memory fetches _might_ be the result.. | 20:48 |
| lukehasnoname | can ubuntu-vm-builder be used to create an ISO? I mean, what is the output? | 20:48 |
| sommer_ | lukehasnoname: the output is a vm disk (not sure of the exact terminology), basically what you'd use a jeos iso to create | 20:49 |
| jjesse | vmdk? | 20:49 |
| sommer_ | virtual disk file | 20:49 |
| sommer_ | jjesse: heh, ya | 20:50 |
| JanC | .vmdk or .img or .qcow or whatever you prefer, I suppose | 20:50 |
| lukehasnoname | sommer_: Hmmm. Ok. I haven't had a chance to throw up a virtual environment because apt-mirror SUCKS | 20:51 |
| sommer_ | not sure what virtual environment has to do with apt-mirror? | 20:51 |
| lukehasnoname | I tried to tell it to only download certain 64-bit repos, not an entire mirror, and it still told me it was a 44GB download when I know it should have been like 20 | 20:51 |
| lukehasnoname | and I have no internet at home so I can't get files for my server so I was tryingto download a mirror onto my laptop at a friend's house | 20:52 |
| lukehasnoname | but I didn't have time | 20:52 |
| sommer_ | ah gotcha, ya the internets comes in handy when usign u-v-m | 20:52 |
| [diablo] | this JeOS idea is very niffty indeed | 20:52 |
| [diablo] | installing a guest now | 20:52 |
| lukehasnoname | What does JeOS have going for it against ubuntu-vm-builder? | 20:53 |
| lukehasnoname | I mean, how is it tweaked for VM usage? | 20:53 |
| sommer_ | ubuntu-vm-builder was originally created to make the jeos iso files, but then they releazied it was a great tool | 20:53 |
| [diablo] | from what I read the kernel only contains what is required | 20:53 |
| sommer_ | so using u-v-m or downloading a jeos iso basically gets you to the same place, a stripped down ubuntu vm :) | 20:54 |
| mgsmx | i suppose there are some people who write the server guide here, I have a suggestion for the Samba-section: rewrite it from scratch! I think it's a strange-written, unclear document with a lot of superflues information, it cost me ages to get my samba working, while i know see it was just typing two lines in de CLI... :( | 20:55 |
| jjesse | mgsmx: thanks for your feedback, could you report a bug with suggestions against ubuntu-doc? | 20:55 |
| sommer_ | mgsmx: that's in progress actually :), should have drafts up next week probably | 20:55 |
| jjesse | that way it deosn't get lost in the channel | 20:55 |
| mgsmx | oh :) alright | 20:56 |
| jjesse | mgsmx: thanks, soemtimes the people who work on the guide forget what is said in the channel and work better against a bug | 20:56 |
| mgsmx | ah, i see | 20:56 |
| [diablo] | damn that boots quick as hell, and it's a qcow2 image | 20:57 |
| lukehasnoname | sommer_: For Samba or for the entire guide? | 21:04 |
| sommer_ | lukehasnoname: here's the spec: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidServerGuide | 21:06 |
| sommer_ | lukehasnoname: most of the sections were update/expanded for hardy, but there wasn't time for the windows networking section | 21:07 |
| lukehasnoname | Come later in the year (September?) I wouldn't mind QA testing those docs | 21:08 |
| sommer_ | lukehasnoname: that'd be awesome... the more feedback the better | 21:09 |
| lukehasnoname | oh my freaking GOD there is a beautiful woman standing at the cubicle next to me | 21:10 |
| lukehasnoname | Some of the sexiest outfits a woman can wear are business pants and a white shirt | 21:14 |
| lukehasnoname | Not at the same time, though. <_< </offtopic> | 21:14 |
| [diablo] | lol | 21:15 |
| === erichammon1 is now known as erichammond | ||
| tekteen | anyone know how to find out what program is listening on a port? like port 80? | 21:28 |
| daanemanz | does anyone know why my browser is trying to download a php file from my webserver when I'd like to see a php page? | 21:29 |
| sommer_ | tekteen: netstat can, but I'm not sure of the exact switches | 21:29 |
| tekteen | you do not have the apache pgp mod | 21:30 |
| tekteen | php* | 21:30 |
| sommer_ | daanemanz: did you restart apache | 21:30 |
| daanemanz | I did, but still to no avail | 21:30 |
| JanC | tekteen: lsof or netstat ? | 21:30 |
| tekteen | thanks | 21:30 |
| daanemanz | it's borked since I accidentally removed LAMP server with tasksel | 21:30 |
| gatewayer | tekteen: netstat -plutn does the job ^^ | 21:30 |
| ScottK | netstat -a|less is a good place to start. | 21:31 |
| tekteen | thanks again | 21:31 |
| sommer_ | daanemanz: make sure you have the libapache2-mod-php5 package | 21:31 |
| tekteen | gatewayer: it does not tell me what program | 21:31 |
| gatewayer | of course? | 21:31 |
| gatewayer | it tells you pid? | 21:31 |
| daanemanz | already installed... | 21:32 |
| gatewayer | and program name | 21:32 |
| tekteen | where? | 21:32 |
| JanC | netstat might need root rights to find the program name | 21:32 |
| gatewayer | last column | 21:32 |
| tekteen | ok | 21:32 |
| JanC | so put sudo before it ;) | 21:32 |
| gatewayer | jepp sorry | 21:32 |
| gatewayer | ^^ | 21:32 |
| tekteen | I will run as root | 21:32 |
| gatewayer | root of course ^^ | 21:32 |
| daanemanz | wait... it works! | 21:33 |
| tekteen | :-\ what I wanted to was running. But lighttpd is giving me a 500 | 21:34 |
| daanemanz | thanks anyway for the hints | 21:39 |
| JanC | tekteen: configuration error maybe? | 21:40 |
| JanC | or if you use fastcgi, there might be an issue with that... | 21:40 |
| tekteen | ok | 21:41 |
| tekteen | how about scgi? | 21:41 |
| JanC | well, I guess it can go wrong too? ツ | 21:41 |
| tekteen | :-( | 21:41 |
| JanC | check the log files... | 21:41 |
| tekteen | I did | 21:41 |
| JanC | I'm sure lighttpd will tell you something? | 21:42 |
| tekteen | oh | 21:43 |
| tekteen | I feel stupid right now | 21:43 |
| tekteen | You would think I would look at this stuff by now | 21:43 |
| tekteen | I need to install php5-cgi | 21:43 |
| tekteen | g2g | 21:44 |
| tekteen | thanks janC | 21:44 |
| DustWolf | I have configured a HTTP proxy durring setup, how do I change this setting? | 22:29 |
| * kees loves rebooting 6 kvms simultaneously. *thrash* | 22:30 | |
| mathiaz | kees: do you have intrepid vms ? | 22:37 |
| kees | mathiaz: I don't have intrepid as kvm yet (I have schroots). I was going to set them up soon so I could start playing with apparmor updates | 22:40 |
| mathiaz | kees: ok - I've updated my intrepid vm to 2.6.26 and it doesn't boot anymore :/ | 22:43 |
| kees | mathiaz: lvm? | 22:45 |
| kees | mathiaz: I fixed a devmapper regression last night, so you might need to boot with root=/dev/mapper/$VG-$ROOTLV (fill in your $VG and $ROOTLV) to avoid the broken UUID symlinks | 22:46 |
| kees | then grab the new dmsetup and initramfs should regen | 22:46 |
| mathiaz | kees: yes - I'm using lvs for the root disk | 22:49 |
| mathiaz | kees: but the host is running hardy | 22:49 |
| kees | mathiaz: ... I'm confused... your _host_ doesn't boot any more after the client was upgraded to intrepid? | 22:52 |
| mathiaz | kees: my intrepid guest/vm doesn't boot anymore | 22:52 |
| mathiaz | kees: but I'm running hardy on the host server | 22:53 |
| kees | mathiaz: but the intrepid guest uses lvm for its rootfs? | 22:53 |
| mathiaz | kees: nope | 22:53 |
| kees | okay, then I'm not sure-- probably a kernel issue? I saw a mess of things failing when I booted intrepid on bare metal | 22:53 |
| mathiaz | kees: ok - I'll check with soren when he is back | 22:54 |
| RabidLockerGnome | Hey guys, I just installed ubuntu server, but it won't see my wireless access point, any ideas? | 23:51 |
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