[00:04] thanks very much :d [00:41] i installed nautilus and on every reboot my desktop turn to the default of ubuntu (wallpaper etc). i had to uncheck something in the setting to let xfce manage my desktop. any ideas why it happens? [00:44] owen1: nautilus is a file manager AND a desktop manager, so when you install it, it also manages your desktop :] [00:45] totalwormage: but what if i don't want it to manager my desktop? i also have thunar.. [00:47] owen1: so why did you actually install nautilus ? just a question [00:47] glitsj16: it has a plug in to resize multiple images in a folder. [00:48] owen1: my guess is that you'll need to look look in the nautilus docs, or find a group that knows more about it and see if you can use it as a file-browser only [00:49] owen1: i see, no way getting that into thunar ? not that it explains the interference, i realize that .. thunar can do a lot via edit > configure custom actions' too [00:50] zoredache: or learn how to use ImageMagick.. [00:50] owen1: nautilus relies heavily on gnome and uses gconf and gconf2 for settings management, perhaps you can install gconf-editor to have a precise look [00:51] glitsj16: let me see the edit option u mention [00:52] owen1: okay, it's powerfull, if you enter the command that resizes the images, you can plug it in, goodluck [02:32] is there a way to see thumbnails in file upload? [02:32] and is it related to thunar? [02:47] owen1: sorry, was away for a while .. not sure i get what you mean by showing thumbnails in file upload .. in a browser ? [02:56] looking for help,i locked myself out of a file [02:57] shane_: not sure, what happened in which file ? [02:59] lol its a personal folder i wanted to keep people out of,i set all to none access,i could do this in i believe kubuntu and then just go to permisions and unlock when i needed to access it but not in xubuntu [03:00] i see hehe, chown is a command to change the ownership back .. have you tried that ? [03:00] no how [03:01] never used it, i'm looking in the man as we type [03:02] ah ok,i can wiki chown [03:03] syntax is basically "chown user:group /folder/location", guess you will have to run chown under sudo [03:03] and find out which group it is assigned to right now, goodluck [03:06] k ty [03:23] shane_: hey, i'm here. did you get it fixed? [03:31] no [03:31] Odd-rationale: no im still locked out [03:31] shane_: ok. hold on ... [03:32] Odd-rationale: ok [03:32] shane_: where is the folder located? [03:33] its in my home/shane [03:33] Odd-rationale: or i guess i dont have home its just shane [03:33] shane_: oh, btw. changing the permissions/owner is not a secure way of keeping sensitive data. [03:33] no i know [03:34] it is to keep my children out they dont no how to open permisions and change it along with the girlfriend lol [03:35] ok. well go to the directory above the locked folder. e.g. if the locked folder is /home/shane/locked, then go to /home/shane [03:35] shane_: in a terminal i mean. [03:35] i could do it in kubuntu and then just open permisions and change it back [03:35] use the cd (change directory) command. e.g. cd /home/shane [03:36] tell me when you are there... [03:36] permision denied [03:36] you cannont cd to /home/shane ? [03:37] nope [03:37] ouch... [03:37] try this. "cd /home" [03:37] lol and im admin [03:37] does it let you in? [03:38] not at all i get permision denied and a empty file [03:38] i cant delete or change [03:38] cd /home [03:38] you must have really messed things up... [03:38] ok i get home$ [03:39] will you be around in like 45 min? i have to step out really quick... [03:39] or maybe 30 min... [03:39] all i did was set permisions on that one file to none access [03:39] yah ill be here a while [03:40] cd /home/shane [03:40] cool. /join #Odd-rationale and i'll meet you there when i'm back. ok? [03:40] will that let me no if im allowed to change the shane file [03:46] <|spoo|> hi [03:46] <|spoo|> is there a linux equivalent to Macdrive? [03:46] <|spoo|> my stupid external shows up, but some folders are locked [03:47] <|spoo|> i tried permissions [03:47] <|spoo|> no luck [03:52] what is the filesystem? [03:54] <|spoo|> for the external? [03:54] <|spoo|> i think it's hfs+ [03:55] <|spoo|> the mac journal system thing [03:55] does hfs even mount read-write? I thought it was read-only [03:57] <|spoo|> yeah [03:57] <|spoo|> i think so [03:58] <|spoo|> i'm just hoping to find a workaround [03:58] <|spoo|> so i dont have to format! [03:58] !hfs [03:58] To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubottu NTFS-3g or /msg ubottu FUSE [03:58] <|spoo|> ooo [03:58] <|spoo|> cool [03:58] well you might check there [03:58] * zoredache shrugs [03:59] <|spoo|> thanks! [04:12] shane_: I'm back. you there? === Odd-rationale_ is now known as Odd-rationale [04:28] shane_: so it is working now? [04:29] its all good ty [04:29] what happened to u u had a nick error and left server [04:29] shane_: you need to find a better way to secure your data... [04:29] i lost connection... [04:30] shane_: let me try to think of some ways. i'll report back later... [04:30] Odd-rationale: ok ty once again [04:31] Odd-rationale: iv looked around but i cant come up with away that doesnt involve me haven to use dif accounts i want like a safe box or briefe case that will require me to enter passcode to open each time [04:39] Hey, trying to install google gadgets for linux and when I click the package I downloaded, it says "error: dependency is not satisifable: libcairo2" [04:40] have you tried installing that with apt-get? [04:41] cleokat: apt-get install libcairo2 [04:41] I don't think so, I wouldn't know what it is [04:43] says it's the most updated version available [04:44] is it possible it doesn't work with xfce? [04:44] perhaps. It is also possible that it doesn't work with hardy or something... did you see a release date on google gears? [04:45] june 13th [04:47] libcairo2 isnt in our list sudo wont do it either,the only one ive seen that has it is gos [04:47] that is in the hardy [04:50] if u find any links on how to add it into hardy paste it in please id like to put them on my daughters computer [06:10] I loaded past grub and am at a terminal... anyone know how to start the windows manager/log in? [06:17] DaveKong, It didn't start automatically? [06:20] nah I don't know why [06:20] cody-somerville: I installed fluxubuntu [06:21] cody-somerville: I tried startx [06:21] but it just makes the screen go black [06:21] and then I press crl alt backspace [06:21] It sounds like xserver isn't configured correctly [06:21] You might look at /var/log/Xorg.log [06:21] ok thanks [06:32] Empty file [06:33] xorg.0.log which was what was in the dir [06:37] try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [06:48] went through a bunch of configuration not sure if I filled it all out right [07:55] everytime i scroll try to scroll up or down on my touchpad, i end up pasting instead, what is causing this?? [07:55] do you have a mouse? [07:55] no [07:56] I think some mousepads don't work well maybe you need a different driver [07:56] touch pads I mean [07:57] I suggest searching the forums for your computer specs and the issues then posting if you don't find anything [07:57] pasting instead? :/ [07:58] oh [07:58] are you highlighting? [07:58] no, its in my clipboard [07:59] are you middle clicking? [07:59] ive disabled left + right click paste [07:59] now its something to do with scroll [07:59] hmm [07:59] i dont have a middle mouse button i think [07:59] its the edge scrolling on my touchpad that is causing it [08:22] when i close the lid my laptop shutdown instead of hibrenate. any clue? [08:35] I recently tried to install Win NT then Xubuntu on a system and use grub to manage the dual boot. It works fine for Xubuntu but when I try NT it goes through part of the NT startup routine then dies with some addresses on screen. Anyone have ideas on what happened? [08:36] owen1, It probably is attempting to hibernate but fails? [08:36] owen1, check the logs [08:36] pilot109, we'll need the exact error message. [08:38] cody-somerville: what logs? [08:39] owen1, probably /var/log/dmesg [08:39] ok, I'll reboot and get them === root_ is now known as kimagure [08:44] cody-somerville: should i delete this file and try hibernate? (it's pretty big now) [08:44] owen1, no, it'll just give you potential error messages. [08:46] *** STOP: 0x0000007B (0xF6813BD8, 0xC0000034, 0x00000000, 0x00000000) INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE CPUID:GenuineIntel 6.5.2 irql:0 SYSVER 0xf0000565 [08:48] cody-somerville: can u take a look at my log - http://pastebin.com/m6087a63f [08:48] pilot109, can you pastebin /boot/grub/menu.lst ? [08:49] pastebin? [08:49] owen1, how much ram do you have? [08:49] !pastebin [08:49] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [08:51] cody-somerville: 2gb [08:51] cody-somerville: sony vaio [08:51] I'll try I'm new to linux [08:52] owen1, how much swap space do you have? [08:53] cody-somerville: 3.9 gb [08:53] 3.8 [08:54] hmm... [09:03] going to sleep but leaving the chat open. if u come up with anything else i can try, let me know and i'll check it tomorrow. thanks! [09:11] Ok I have menu.lst it is at http://paste.ubuntu.com/21101/ [09:44] My network finally works on my laptop using xubuntu but I don't know why... it only works with one of the cat5 cable connections [09:53] I played around some more and it is not the port on the router that matters but the actual cat5 in use [09:53] cody-somerville, I have to go to bed soon, did you come up with anything? [09:53] Does this make any sense to anyone? why would one cat5 work over another cat5 of which both work on all my other computers? [09:54] DaveKong, Cross over vs. Straight? [09:54] pilot109, no sorry [09:55] ok, thanks for looking at it [09:56] how would I know what it is? [09:56] they say utp on them [09:58] DaveKong, Put both ends side by side and see if the colour of the wires are in the same order or not [10:01] cody-somerville: they both can lay on top of each other and line up face to face crossed [10:01] hmm? [10:01] cody-somerville: the rest of the distrcitions on the side are the same except one cord is a little longer [10:02] they appear to be straight [10:02] ou my god. Whit this rate: 100MB of updates every week my 10GB is soon full. :/ [10:03] JannoTT, You can disable the -updates repository [10:04] just tried testing with another cable same deal just works with the one cat5 does not matter which port and they all look like the same type of cords [10:04] no thanks. :P That must be some big securty hole if you do soo. [10:08] JannoTT, no [10:08] JannoTT, There is -security and -updates [10:08] All security updates go to -security [10:08] oh. :D [10:12] Damn firefox again taking 200Mib of ram. And i only got 500. :/ [10:12] use kazehakaze [10:13] kazehakaze? wtf is that? :D [10:13] super lightweight browser [10:13] it is in the repository [10:14] i bet it does not have adblock. [10:15] you can add plugins but that slows it down more [10:15] check it out, worst thing that happens you don;t use it [10:16] dang. Gotta wait till update is done. But im going to try it. [10:51] Why isnt gnome-terminal load .profile when started? Cant use my aliases is i dont "source .profile"... [10:51] s/isnt/doesnt [10:51] s/is/if [11:17] RandyboY: .profile is only loaded at login [11:17] RandyboY: try .bashrc instead, it's loaded every time you start a console [11:34] TheSheep, ok, so add a line like "source .profile" at the end of .bashrc? [11:35] RandyboY: no, you put your alisases in .bashrc [11:35] RandyboY: .profile is for something else [11:35] TheSheep, there is no .bashrc, only bash_history and bash_logout [11:35] RandyboY: then create it, doh [11:43] TheSheep, thanks. [12:09] hi there... anyone capable / willing to help resolving a strange Thunar behaviour? [12:13] kawazu: hi [12:13] hi gabkdlly ... [12:13] ... my thunar is _outstandingly_ slow on 8.04, sometimes. :( [12:13] kawazu: any pattern? [12:14] please describe the behavior, and keep in mind that the person who has the answer to your question might be away from their computer right now, so you may have to wait to get your answer [12:15] kawazu: did you check to see whether thunar is using a lot of resources (CPU), or of other processes are getting in the way? [12:16] well... first: double-clicking "Home" on my desktop, it takes 15 .. 30 seconds to open a new Thunar window. second: using "new window" in Thunar (CTRL+N?) makes a new window pop up, but sometimes it again takes up to half a minute for the new window to display the content of the current folder and make it respond to user input. three: closing the window sometimes takes the same amount of time, again in between 15 and 30 secs. [12:16] ... no real issues to mention asides that. no removable drives / usb storage, no network file systems, no exceptional load in terms of CPU and/or ram... :( [12:18] kawazu: can you reproduce it reliably or is it completely random? [12:19] I am not sure whether the thunar-archive-plugin can be blamed for that as it _seems_ to happen especially after unpacking larger zip files this way (right-click + "unpack here"), but this reproduction is not reliable unfortunately... [12:20] do you have gam_server running? [12:21] is it a standard installation of xubuntu, or did you change something? [12:22] the gam_server is running, yes. It's a mixed-up ubuntu system installed from an 8.04 medium but by now containing more than just the xubuntu packages of course, carefully selected. :) [12:23] kawazu: can you kill all instances of thunar and Thunar, and start thunar from terminal to see if there are any messages? [12:23] kawazu: if possible, try to reproduce the problem with thunar running that way [12:25] (thunar:2631): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_model_row_has_child_toggled: assertion `path != NULL' failed [12:26] .... but this possibly isn't the cause, is it? killed all processes, started "thunar", browsed to a folder below $HOME, and waited (20s) for the content to appear... [12:26] what version of ubuntu is it? [12:26] what version of thunar? [12:27] ubuntu is 8.04, thunar is at 0.9.0-4ubuntu2 ... [12:27] 64 or 32 bit? [12:28] 32bits, at the moment. [12:29] (closing the window lasted for about half a minute without a message in the terminal before I killed it using CTRL+C ... :/ ) [12:31] kawazu: I found one user who had a similar problem after upgrading some libraries, the problem disappeared when he restarted the system -- they think it was caused by somel ibrary trying to use old versions of updated libraries... [12:31] kawazu: but it doesn't sound probable to me [12:31] TheSheep, nope, at least I haven't seen any upgrades in libraries after the last reboot... [12:34] kawazu: I can't see any similar bug reported, you might want to report a bug or maybe try asking on #thunar or #xfce [12:34] okay... thanks for the help then, gonna check there. :) [12:35] kawazu: obviously I cannot reproduce your bug too [12:35] never mind. it's rather odd indeed. :) === hooch is now known as cashew === cashew is now known as hooch === adam is now known as maxamillion [14:17] does xubuntu typically have a splash screen on boot up? [14:26] bullium: yes [14:28] hmm...any reason you could think that mine isn't working...I mean the system boots fine I just see a blank screen until the login manager launches [14:28] bullium: maybe the resolution is wrong? you can set it in /etc/upsplash, or something like that [14:29] /etc/usplash.conf [14:29] TheSheep, ok 1 sec [14:30] TheSheep, that resolution is much larger than this LCD can do...thats prolly it [14:32] brb checking :) [14:51] what ssh clients are designed for xubuntu? [14:52] kripz, ehm just ssh? [14:53] or whatever frontend you where using in gnome/kde [14:53] they should all work fine in xfce [14:58] TheSheep, didn't seem to do it [14:58] I can see the splash for short period of time after i made the change and rebooted...but I saw it while it was shutting down so X had already been loaded [15:35] how do I remove old builds so they don`t waste any space? [15:41] recently ubuntu froze whilst in firefox, I could not move the mouse, caps lock or any other keyboard commands apart from cutting the power === maxamillion is now known as notMax === adam is now known as Guest28822 === adam_ is now known as maxamillion === hfsdo_ is now known as hfsdo [16:28] Not even four hours until the big Xubuntu meeting!! :) http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1499 [16:32] cody-somerville: where? [16:34] #ubuntu-meeting [16:35] ah, right, thanks === notMax is now known as maxamillion [17:49] cody u some big guy in xubuntu? [17:53] JannoTT: he is the project leader I blieve [17:54] Leader? :O [17:55] That's awesome. :P [19:04] hi guys, what is xubuntu equavalent of gksudo/kdesudo? [19:09] * Ekushey says hi to jussi01 [19:09] gksu is on xubuntu [19:09] * jussi01 waves to Ekushey [19:10] alright, thanks zoredache [19:27] hi, happy to be here =) | i'm downloading xubuntu to compare xfce with gnome, i like the idea behind xfce and may be want to make this disto the one for my box so, WHAT DIFFERENCES will i have with gnome, as an end user? [19:27] :) [19:28] martosurf, Xubuntu is generally faster!! :) [19:28] hi cody! yeah and i love that! [19:28] please excuseme a moment [19:29] martosurf: one difference that is freqently asked about here is that the file-browser (thunar) doesn't automagically support smb or other network protocols. [19:34] I am having a problem while trying to install Xubuntu with the desktop image [19:34] I try to boot it natively, and everything runs fine up untill I actually try to install the OS [19:35] and then it randomly freezes at installation time? [19:35] I press install, and it goes through a load up with the Xubuntu logo [19:35] then it goes to Busybox :-/ [19:35] And nothing happens. [19:35] haha wut [19:35] Yeeeah. I've been looking around for a fix for a while...I can't find a thing. [19:35] I should be able to run Xubuntu...I have the specs [19:36] what about the alternative installer? [19:37] I haven't tried it for Xubuntu, I didn't know there was one. [19:37] I'm screwed though, cause I'm out of discs [19:37] oh :\ [19:37] Yeah... [19:37] umm, can't you start the alternative installer from the boot menu? [19:38] What do you mean? I don't have the alternative. [19:38] yeah, i mean from the standard desktop ISO [19:38] I don't believe so. [19:39] The weird thing is...now it won't read my Xubuntu CD [19:39] -_- [19:39] okayyy [19:39] that is weird [19:39] Wait... [19:39] Yeah it can [19:39] nevermind [19:39] I tried installing Ubuntu through Wubi [19:40] but that was horrible [19:40] With Xubuntu, would you recommend going to Demo and Full Installation? [19:40] Mortis: whatever you did before which made it die, do the opposite of that [19:41] I just booted it up natively, which is essentially what this is going to do... [19:41] It's asking for me to restart and leave the disc in the tray [19:41] So, it's going to be the same thing. It did this with Ubuntu as well... [19:41] I used the alternative Ubuntu release, then it told me it coulnd't find RELEASE file on the disc [19:42] Possibly because it was too big for the disc. [19:42] well, wtf [19:43] Yeah. [19:43] Should I just try a completely different distro? [19:43] :-/ [19:44] I'm not really wanting to lean that way, but it might be my only option. [19:44] if xubuntu doesn't work, then that seems like a reasonable thing to do [19:45] martosurf: are you runing an md5 check before you write the image? [19:45] ack.. Mortis rather [19:45] or if you boot of a disk does the verify complete? [19:45] md5 check? [19:45] When I wrote it to a disc, it verified it. [19:46] I used imgburn [19:46] I am not talking about your cd-writer software [19:46] I am talking about either the menu entry on the boot screen. Or running a utility to verify your download was good [19:47] you should do one or both of those whenever you are downloading isos for linux [19:47] !md5 [19:47] To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows [19:53] zoredache: i'm planning to use xubuntu as my primary desktop system and i will connect to internet only, no intranets here [19:53] zoredache: also, where can i download a windows app to check downloaded ISOs md5 [19:53] ? [19:54] !md5 | martosurf [19:54] martosurf: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows [19:54] cool =) [19:55] see you people, tnx 4 your kind support, yeahh! [19:55] Okay. [19:56] So I do an md5 sum on the ISO? [19:57] I'm confused by this cd\path\to\cddir [19:57] I don't ever know what to enter... [19:57] Mortis: it is strongly reccomended as a way to be certain that your download was good [19:57] Okay. [19:58] For path do I just put the path of the ISO or what? [19:58] sorry but path to what? [19:59] the command prompt to run md5 [19:59] it says cd \path\to\cddir [19:59] It says to enter that. [20:00] ah.. I just noticed those links only seem to provide a command line version... for checking md5.... I usually use md5summer (http://www.md5summer.org/download.html) [20:01] Alright now ho do I check xubuntu? [20:02] I see a list of folders... [20:02] annnnd create sums verify sums [20:02] Do I create a sum from Xubuntu [20:02] first you chould check the 'xubuntu-desktop.iso' file you downloaded [20:02] then verify it? [20:02] I don't know how to do that, that's what I'm asking :-/ [20:03] I'm creating a sum for it... [20:03] Is that the wrong thing to do? [20:03] that should be fine... the sum for the official files are on the download site [20:03] Oh [20:04] Mortis: so here http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Xubuntu/8.04/release/MD5SUMS [20:04] so the sum that is getting generate should exactly match the sum on that link for the file you downloaded [20:04] Ok [20:05] I have to match up the text? [20:05] yes [20:06] Okay, well it all looks good. [20:06] I'm using xubuntu-8.04-desktop-amd64.iso [20:06] Mortis: if you're not using a 64-bit amd machine i'm going to eat you [20:07] No, I am. [20:07] k. [20:07] Oh, no wait. [20:07] thought i'd check [20:07] Mortis: so when you boot off that cd one of the options will be to verify the disk. Running that will let you know that your burn was good [20:07] 64 bit? [20:08] Mortis: what processor do you have [20:08] I thought it meant AMD Athlon 64+ [20:08] Yeah I am.. [20:09] hm [20:10] Do you want my specs? [20:10] can't hurt i guess [20:10] Alright [20:10] AMD Athlon 64+ 1.8ghz [20:10] ATI AIW 9800 Pro [20:10] 1 Gig RAM [20:11] I'm not sure about the mobo [20:11] wait, apparently yeah, that is the right iso [20:11] Yeah [20:11] ;) [20:11] I still don't know why it's loading me into the BusyBox command prompt... [20:11] It does it for Ubuntu as well [20:11] me neither [20:12] it does it when it fails to mount the root direcotry [20:12] There's so many things that it could be D: [20:12] directory [20:12] TheSheep: ooh [20:12] Well can I redirect it to mount the correct root directory? [20:12] Oh no wait. [20:12] Mortis: it's the root= option in the boot line [20:12] Mortis: it suggests a more fundamental problem [20:12] Yeah, I figured. [20:12] What the hell D: [20:13] I guess I just can't run Ubuntu [20:13] I had it installed thru Wubi earlier... [20:13] Uninstalled that. [20:13] TheSheep: what is the root directory in that context [20:13] the cdrom usually I believe [20:14] lc2: the / [20:14] TheSheep: i know what the root directory is [20:14] is that livecd? [20:15] TheSheep: i meant what it was trying to mount on / [20:15] on livecd it's a unionfs of a ramdisk and the cd [20:15] on normal install it's whatever partition you installed to [20:15] mhm [20:16] Gah. [20:17] This is beginning to annoy me :( [20:17] when it cannot mount it, it usually means that your computer has some disk controller that is poorly supported and it cannot get to the disk [20:17] I should just be able to boot it up with the disc in the tray, right? [20:17] Mortis: yes [20:17] Okay. [20:17] TheSheep, what would you suggest I do? [20:17] i suggest the alternative installer [20:17] on livecd it may mean that the cd is broken or that it cannot access the cd drive for some reason [20:17] Mortis: did you check the cd for defects? [20:18] It does the same thing when I try to do that. [20:18] At least with Ubuntu. [20:19] then the alternate cd won't work probably [20:19] Nope. It didn't. [20:19] Mortis: when you press f1, it should give you some help about possible boot options, you might try these [20:19] It installed up until it looked for a file called 'Release' [20:19] The only other boot options are to try, or install inside windows. [20:20] Mortis: ah, so the alternate cd booted? [20:20] I already had it installed inside windows, and I don't want that again. It limited me to like 3 gigs [20:20]