[00:04] <allymarie> thanks very much :d
[00:41] <owen1> i installed nautilus and on every reboot my desktop turn to the default of ubuntu (wallpaper etc). i had to uncheck something in the setting to let xfce manage my desktop. any ideas why it happens?
[00:44] <totalwormage> owen1: nautilus is a file manager AND a desktop manager, so when you install it, it also manages your desktop :]
[00:45] <owen1> totalwormage: but what if i don't want it to manager my desktop? i also have thunar..
[00:47] <glitsj16> owen1: so why did you actually install nautilus ? just a question
[00:47] <owen1> glitsj16: it has a plug in to resize multiple images in a folder.
[00:48] <zoredache> owen1: my guess is that you'll need to look look in the nautilus docs, or find a group that knows more about it and see if you can use it as a file-browser only
[00:49] <glitsj16> owen1: i see, no way getting that into thunar ? not that it explains the interference, i realize that .. thunar can do a lot via edit > configure custom actions' too
[00:50] <owen1> zoredache: or learn how to use ImageMagick..
[00:50] <glitsj16> owen1: nautilus relies heavily on gnome and uses gconf and gconf2 for settings management, perhaps you can install gconf-editor to have a precise look
[00:51] <owen1> glitsj16: let me see the edit option u mention
[00:52] <glitsj16> owen1: okay, it's powerfull, if you enter the command that resizes the images, you can plug it in, goodluck
[02:32] <owen1> is there a way to see thumbnails in file upload?
[02:32] <owen1> and is it related to thunar?
[02:47] <glitsj16> owen1: sorry, was away for a while .. not sure i get what you mean by showing thumbnails in file upload .. in a browser ?
[02:56] <shane_> looking for help,i locked myself out of a file
[02:57] <glitsj16> shane_: not sure, what happened in which file ?
[02:59] <shane_> lol its a personal folder i wanted to keep people out of,i set all to none access,i could do this in i believe kubuntu and then just go to permisions and unlock when i needed to access it but not in xubuntu
[03:00] <glitsj16> i see hehe, chown is a command to change the ownership back .. have you tried that ?
[03:00] <shane_> no how
[03:01] <glitsj16> never used it, i'm looking in the man as we type
[03:02] <shane_> ah ok,i can wiki chown
[03:03] <glitsj16> syntax is basically "chown user:group /folder/location", guess you will have to run chown under sudo
[03:03] <glitsj16> and find out which group it is assigned to right now, goodluck
[03:06] <shane_> k ty
[03:23] <Odd-rationale> shane_: hey, i'm here. did you get it fixed?
[03:31] <shane_> no
[03:31] <shane_> Odd-rationale: no im still locked out
[03:31] <Odd-rationale> shane_: ok. hold on ...
[03:32] <shane_> Odd-rationale: ok
[03:32] <Odd-rationale> shane_: where is the folder located?
[03:33] <shane_> its in my home/shane
[03:33] <shane_> Odd-rationale:  or i guess i dont have home its just shane
[03:33] <Odd-rationale> shane_: oh, btw. changing the permissions/owner is not a secure way of keeping sensitive data.
[03:33] <shane_> no i know
[03:34] <shane_> it is to keep my children out they dont no how to open permisions and change it along with the girlfriend lol
[03:35] <Odd-rationale> ok. well go to the directory above the locked folder. e.g. if the locked folder is /home/shane/locked, then go to /home/shane
[03:35] <Odd-rationale> shane_: in a terminal i mean.
[03:35] <shane_> i could do it in kubuntu and then just open permisions and change it back
[03:35] <Odd-rationale> use the cd (change directory) command. e.g. cd /home/shane
[03:36] <Odd-rationale> tell me when you are there...
[03:36] <shane_> permision denied
[03:36] <Odd-rationale> you cannont cd to /home/shane ?
[03:37] <shane_> nope
[03:37] <Odd-rationale> ouch...
[03:37] <Odd-rationale> try this. "cd /home"
[03:37] <shane_> lol and im admin
[03:37] <Odd-rationale> does it let you in?
[03:38] <shane_> not at all i get permision denied and a empty file
[03:38] <shane_> i cant delete or change
[03:38] <shane_> cd /home
[03:38] <Odd-rationale> you must have really messed things up...
[03:38] <shane_> ok i get home$
[03:39] <Odd-rationale> will you be around in like 45 min? i have to step out really quick...
[03:39] <Odd-rationale> or maybe 30 min...
[03:39] <shane_> all i did was set permisions on that one file to none access
[03:39] <shane_> yah ill be here  a while
[03:40] <shane_> cd /home/shane
[03:40] <Odd-rationale> cool. /join #Odd-rationale and i'll meet you there when i'm back. ok?
[03:40] <shane_> will that let me no if im allowed to change the shane file
[03:46] <|spoo|> hi
[03:46] <|spoo|> is there a linux equivalent to Macdrive?
[03:46] <|spoo|> my stupid external shows up, but some folders are locked
[03:47] <|spoo|> i tried permissions
[03:47] <|spoo|> no luck
[03:52] <zoredache> what is the filesystem?
[03:54] <|spoo|> for the external?
[03:54] <|spoo|> i think it's hfs+
[03:55] <|spoo|> the mac journal system thing
[03:55] <zoredache> does hfs even mount read-write?  I thought it was read-only
[03:57] <|spoo|> yeah
[03:57] <|spoo|> i think so
[03:58] <|spoo|> i'm just hoping to find a workaround
[03:58] <|spoo|> so i dont have to format!
[03:58] <zoredache> !hfs
[03:58] <|spoo|> ooo
[03:58] <|spoo|> cool
[03:58] <zoredache> well you might check there
[03:58]  * zoredache shrugs
[03:59] <|spoo|> thanks!
[04:12] <Odd-rationale> shane_: I'm back. you there?
[04:28] <Odd-rationale> shane_: so it is working now?
[04:29] <shane_> its all good ty
[04:29] <shane_> what happened to u u had a nick error and left server
[04:29] <Odd-rationale> shane_: you need to find a better way to secure your data...
[04:29] <Odd-rationale> i lost connection...
[04:30] <Odd-rationale> shane_: let me try to think of some ways. i'll report back later...
[04:30] <shane_> Odd-rationale: ok ty once again
[04:31] <shane_> Odd-rationale: iv looked around but i cant come up with away that doesnt involve me haven to use dif accounts i want like a safe box or briefe case that will require me to enter passcode to open each time
[04:39] <cleokat> Hey, trying to install google gadgets for linux and when I click the package I downloaded, it says "error: dependency is not satisifable: libcairo2"
[04:40] <zoredache> have you tried installing that with apt-get?
[04:41] <zoredache> cleokat: apt-get install libcairo2
[04:41] <cleokat> I don't think so, I wouldn't know what it is
[04:43] <cleokat> says it's the most updated version available
[04:44] <cleokat> is it possible it doesn't work with xfce?
[04:44] <zoredache> perhaps.  It is also possible that it doesn't work with hardy or something... did you see a release date on google gears?
[04:45] <cleokat> june 13th
[04:47] <shane_> libcairo2 isnt in our list sudo wont do it either,the only one ive seen that has it is gos
[04:47] <shane_> that is in the hardy
[04:50] <shane_> if u find any links on how to add it into hardy paste it in please id like to put them on my daughters computer
[06:10] <DaveKong> I loaded past grub and am at a terminal... anyone know how to start the windows manager/log in?
[06:17] <cody-somerville> DaveKong, It didn't start automatically?
[06:20] <DaveKong> nah I don't know why
[06:20] <DaveKong> cody-somerville:  I installed fluxubuntu
[06:21] <DaveKong> cody-somerville:  I tried startx
[06:21] <DaveKong> but it just makes the screen go black
[06:21] <DaveKong> and then I press crl alt backspace
[06:21] <cody-somerville> It sounds like xserver isn't configured correctly
[06:21] <cody-somerville> You might look at /var/log/Xorg.log
[06:21] <DaveKong> ok thanks
[06:32] <DaveKong> Empty file
[06:33] <DaveKong> xorg.0.log which was what was in the dir
[06:37] <cody-somerville> try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:48] <DaveKong> went through a bunch of configuration not sure if I filled it all out right
[07:55] <kripz> everytime i scroll try to scroll up or down on my touchpad, i end up pasting instead, what is causing this??
[07:55] <DaveKong> do you have a mouse?
[07:55] <kripz> no
[07:56] <DaveKong> I think some mousepads don't work well maybe you need a different driver
[07:56] <DaveKong> touch pads I mean
[07:57] <DaveKong> I suggest searching the forums for your computer specs and the issues then posting if you don't find anything
[07:57] <cody-somerville> pasting instead? :/
[07:58] <DaveKong> oh
[07:58] <DaveKong> are you highlighting?
[07:58] <kripz> no, its in my clipboard
[07:59] <DaveKong> are you middle clicking?
[07:59] <kripz> ive disabled left + right click paste
[07:59] <kripz> now its something to do with scroll
[07:59] <DaveKong> hmm
[07:59] <kripz> i dont have a middle mouse button i think
[07:59] <kripz> its the edge scrolling on my touchpad that is causing it
[08:22] <owen1> when i close the lid my laptop shutdown instead of hibrenate. any clue?
[08:35] <pilot109> I recently tried to install Win NT then Xubuntu on a system and use grub to manage the dual boot. It works fine for Xubuntu but when I try NT it goes through part of the NT startup routine then dies with some addresses on screen. Anyone have ideas on what happened?
[08:36] <cody-somerville> owen1, It probably is attempting to hibernate but fails?
[08:36] <cody-somerville> owen1, check the logs
[08:36] <cody-somerville> pilot109, we'll need the exact error message.
[08:38] <owen1> cody-somerville: what logs?
[08:39] <cody-somerville> owen1, probably /var/log/dmesg
[08:39] <pilot109> ok, I'll reboot and get them
[08:44] <owen1> cody-somerville: should i delete this file and try hibernate? (it's pretty big now)
[08:44] <cody-somerville> owen1, no, it'll just give you potential error messages.
[08:46] <pilot109> *** STOP: 0x0000007B (0xF6813BD8, 0xC0000034, 0x00000000, 0x00000000) INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE       CPUID:GenuineIntel 6.5.2 irql:0  SYSVER 0xf0000565
[08:48] <owen1> cody-somerville: can u take a look at my log - http://pastebin.com/m6087a63f
[08:48] <cody-somerville> pilot109, can you pastebin /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[08:49] <pilot109> pastebin?
[08:49] <cody-somerville> owen1, how much ram do you have?
[08:49] <cody-somerville> !pastebin
[08:51] <owen1> cody-somerville: 2gb
[08:51] <owen1> cody-somerville: sony vaio
[08:51] <pilot109> I'll try I'm new to linux
[08:52] <cody-somerville> owen1, how much swap space do you have?
[08:53] <owen1> cody-somerville: 3.9 gb
[08:53] <owen1> 3.8
[08:54] <cody-somerville> hmm...
[09:03] <owen1> going to sleep but leaving the chat open. if u come up with anything else i can try, let me know and i'll check it tomorrow. thanks!
[09:11] <pilot109> Ok I have menu.lst it is at http://paste.ubuntu.com/21101/
[09:44] <DaveKong> My network finally works on my laptop using xubuntu but I don't know why... it only works with one of the cat5 cable connections
[09:53] <DaveKong> I played around some more and it is not the port on the router that matters but the actual cat5 in use
[09:53] <pilot109> cody-somerville, I have to go to bed soon, did you come up with anything?
[09:53] <DaveKong> Does this make any sense to anyone? why would one cat5 work over another cat5 of which both work on all my other computers?
[09:54] <cody-somerville> DaveKong, Cross over vs. Straight?
[09:54] <cody-somerville> pilot109, no sorry
[09:55] <pilot109> ok, thanks for looking at it
[09:56] <DaveKong> how would I know what it is?
[09:56] <DaveKong> they say utp on them
[09:58] <cody-somerville> DaveKong, Put both ends side by side and see if the colour of the wires are in the same order or not
[10:01] <DaveKong> cody-somerville:  they both can lay on top of each other and line up face to face crossed
[10:01] <cody-somerville> hmm?
[10:01] <DaveKong> cody-somerville:  the rest of the distrcitions on the side are the same except one cord is a little longer
[10:02] <DaveKong> they appear to be straight
[10:02] <JannoTT> ou my god. Whit this rate: 100MB of updates every week my 10GB is soon full. :/
[10:03] <cody-somerville> JannoTT, You can disable the -updates repository
[10:04] <DaveKong> just tried testing with another cable same deal just works with the one cat5 does not matter which port and they all look like the same type of cords
[10:04] <JannoTT> no thanks. :P That must be some big securty hole if you do soo.
[10:08] <cody-somerville> JannoTT, no
[10:08] <cody-somerville> JannoTT, There is -security and -updates
[10:08] <cody-somerville> All security updates go to -security
[10:08] <JannoTT> oh. :D
[10:12] <JannoTT> Damn firefox again taking 200Mib of ram. And i only got 500. :/
[10:12] <DaveKong> use kazehakaze
[10:13] <JannoTT> kazehakaze? wtf is that? :D
[10:13] <DaveKong> super lightweight browser
[10:13] <DaveKong> it is in the repository
[10:14] <JannoTT> i bet it does not have adblock.
[10:15] <DaveKong> you can add plugins but that slows it down more
[10:15] <DaveKong> check it out, worst thing that happens you don;t use it
[10:16] <JannoTT> dang. Gotta wait till update is done. But im going to try it.
[10:51] <RandyboY> Why isnt gnome-terminal load .profile when started? Cant use my aliases is i dont "source .profile"...
[10:51] <RandyboY> s/isnt/doesnt
[10:51] <RandyboY> s/is/if
[11:17] <TheSheep> RandyboY: .profile is only loaded at login
[11:17] <TheSheep> RandyboY: try .bashrc instead, it's loaded every time you start a console
[11:34] <RandyboY> TheSheep, ok, so add a line like "source .profile" at the end of .bashrc?
[11:35] <TheSheep> RandyboY: no, you put your alisases in .bashrc
[11:35] <TheSheep> RandyboY: .profile is for something else
[11:35] <RandyboY> TheSheep, there is no .bashrc, only bash_history and bash_logout
[11:35] <TheSheep> RandyboY: then create it, doh
[11:43] <RandyboY> TheSheep, thanks.
[12:09] <kawazu> hi there... anyone capable / willing to help resolving a strange Thunar behaviour?
[12:13] <gabkdlly> kawazu: hi
[12:13] <kawazu> hi gabkdlly ...
[12:13] <kawazu> ... my thunar is _outstandingly_ slow on 8.04, sometimes. :(
[12:13] <TheSheep> kawazu: any pattern?
[12:14] <gabkdlly> please describe the behavior, and keep in mind that the person who has the answer to your question might be away from their computer right now, so you may have to wait to get your answer
[12:15] <gabkdlly> kawazu: did you check to see whether thunar is using a lot of resources (CPU), or of other processes are getting in the way?
[12:16] <kawazu> well... first: double-clicking "Home" on my desktop, it takes 15 .. 30 seconds to open a new Thunar window. second: using "new window" in Thunar (CTRL+N?) makes a new window pop up, but sometimes it again takes up to half a minute for the new window to display the content of the current folder and make it respond to user input. three: closing the window sometimes takes the same amount of time, again in between 15 and 30 secs.
[12:16] <kawazu> ... no real issues to mention asides that. no removable drives / usb storage, no network file systems, no exceptional load in terms of CPU and/or ram... :(
[12:18] <TheSheep> kawazu: can you reproduce it reliably or is it completely random?
[12:19] <kawazu> I am not sure whether the thunar-archive-plugin can be blamed for that as it _seems_ to happen especially after unpacking larger zip files this way (right-click + "unpack here"), but this reproduction is not reliable unfortunately...
[12:20] <TheSheep> do you have gam_server running?
[12:21] <TheSheep> is it a standard installation of xubuntu, or did you change something?
[12:22] <kawazu> the gam_server is running, yes. It's a mixed-up ubuntu system installed from an 8.04 medium but by now containing more than just the xubuntu packages of course, carefully selected. :)
[12:23] <TheSheep> kawazu: can you kill all instances of thunar and Thunar, and start thunar from terminal to see if there are any messages?
[12:23] <TheSheep> kawazu: if possible, try to reproduce the problem with thunar running that way
[12:25] <kawazu> (thunar:2631): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_model_row_has_child_toggled: assertion `path != NULL' failed
[12:26] <kawazu> .... but this possibly isn't the cause, is it? killed all processes, started "thunar", browsed to a folder below $HOME, and waited (20s) for the content to appear...
[12:26] <TheSheep> what version of ubuntu is it?
[12:26] <TheSheep> what version of thunar?
[12:27] <kawazu> ubuntu is 8.04, thunar is at 0.9.0-4ubuntu2 ...
[12:27] <TheSheep> 64 or 32 bit?
[12:28] <kawazu> 32bits, at the moment.
[12:29] <kawazu> (closing the window lasted for about half a minute without a message in the terminal before I killed it using CTRL+C ... :/ )
[12:31] <TheSheep> kawazu: I found one user who had a similar problem after upgrading some libraries, the problem disappeared when he restarted the system -- they think it was caused by somel ibrary trying to use old versions of updated libraries...
[12:31] <TheSheep> kawazu: but it doesn't sound probable to me
[12:31] <kawazu> TheSheep, nope, at least I haven't seen any upgrades in libraries after the last reboot...
[12:34] <TheSheep> kawazu: I can't see any similar bug reported, you might want to report a bug or maybe try asking on #thunar or #xfce
[12:34] <kawazu> okay... thanks for the help then, gonna check there. :)
[12:35] <TheSheep> kawazu: obviously I cannot reproduce your bug too
[12:35] <kawazu> never mind. it's rather odd indeed. :)
[14:17] <bullium> does xubuntu typically have a splash screen on boot up?
[14:26] <TheSheep> bullium: yes
[14:28] <bullium> hmm...any reason you could think that mine isn't working...I mean the system boots fine I just see a blank screen until the login manager launches
[14:28] <TheSheep> bullium: maybe the resolution is wrong? you can set it in /etc/upsplash, or something like that
[14:29] <TheSheep> /etc/usplash.conf
[14:29] <bullium> TheSheep, ok 1 sec
[14:30] <bullium> TheSheep, that resolution is much larger than this LCD can do...thats prolly it
[14:32] <bullium> brb checking :)
[14:51] <kripz> what ssh clients are designed for xubuntu?
[14:52] <ablomen> kripz, ehm just ssh?
[14:53] <ablomen> or whatever frontend you where using in gnome/kde
[14:53] <ablomen> they should all work fine in xfce
[14:58] <bullium> TheSheep, didn't seem to do it
[14:58] <bullium> I can see the splash for short period of time after i made the change and rebooted...but I saw it while it was shutting down so X had already been loaded
[15:35] <persi> how do I remove old builds so they don`t waste any space?
[15:41] <peter77> ﻿recently ubuntu froze whilst in firefox, I could not move the mouse, caps lock or any other keyboard commands apart from cutting the power
[16:28] <cody-somerville> Not even four hours until the big Xubuntu meeting!! :) http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1499
[16:32] <TheSheep> cody-somerville: where?
[16:34] <cody-somerville> #ubuntu-meeting
[16:35] <TheSheep> ah, right, thanks
[17:49] <JannoTT> cody u some big guy in xubuntu?
[17:53] <zoredache> JannoTT: he is the project leader I blieve
[17:54] <JannoTT> Leader? :O
[17:55] <JannoTT> That's awesome. :P
[19:04] <Ekushey> hi guys, what is xubuntu equavalent of gksudo/kdesudo?
[19:09]  * Ekushey says hi to jussi01
[19:09] <zoredache> gksu is on xubuntu
[19:09]  * jussi01 waves to Ekushey
[19:10] <Ekushey> alright, thanks zoredache
[19:27] <martosurf> hi, happy to be here =) | i'm downloading xubuntu to compare xfce with gnome, i like the idea behind xfce and may be want to make this disto the one for my box so, WHAT DIFFERENCES will i have with gnome, as an end user?
[19:27] <cody-somerville> :)
[19:28] <cody-somerville> martosurf, Xubuntu is generally faster!! :)
[19:28] <martosurf> hi cody! yeah and i love that!
[19:28] <martosurf> please excuseme a moment
[19:29] <zoredache> martosurf: one difference that is freqently asked about here is that the file-browser (thunar) doesn't automagically support smb or other network protocols.
[19:34] <Mortis> I am having a problem while trying to install Xubuntu with the desktop image
[19:34] <Mortis> I try to boot it natively, and everything runs fine up untill I actually try to install the OS
[19:35] <lc2> and then it randomly freezes at installation time?
[19:35] <Mortis> I press install, and it goes through a load up with the Xubuntu logo
[19:35] <Mortis> then it goes to Busybox :-/
[19:35] <Mortis> And nothing happens.
[19:35] <lc2> haha wut
[19:35] <Mortis> Yeeeah. I've been looking around for a fix for a while...I can't find a thing.
[19:35] <Mortis> I should be able to run Xubuntu...I have the specs
[19:36] <lc2> what about the alternative installer?
[19:37] <Mortis> I haven't tried it for Xubuntu, I didn't know there was one.
[19:37] <Mortis> I'm screwed though, cause I'm out of discs
[19:37] <lc2> oh :\
[19:37] <Mortis> Yeah...
[19:37] <lc2> umm, can't you start the alternative installer from the boot menu?
[19:38] <Mortis> What do you mean? I don't have the alternative.
[19:38] <lc2> yeah, i mean from the standard desktop ISO
[19:38] <Mortis> I don't believe so.
[19:39] <Mortis> The weird thing is...now it won't read my Xubuntu CD
[19:39] <Mortis> -_-
[19:39] <lc2> okayyy
[19:39] <lc2> that is weird
[19:39] <Mortis> Wait...
[19:39] <Mortis> Yeah it can
[19:39] <Mortis> nevermind
[19:39] <Mortis> I tried installing Ubuntu through Wubi
[19:40] <Mortis> but that was horrible
[19:40] <Mortis> With Xubuntu, would you recommend going to Demo and Full Installation?
[19:40] <lc2> Mortis: whatever you did before which made it die, do the opposite of that
[19:41] <Mortis> I just booted it up natively, which is essentially what this is going to do...
[19:41] <Mortis> It's asking for me to restart and leave the disc in the tray
[19:41] <Mortis> So, it's going to be the same thing. It did this with Ubuntu as well...
[19:41] <Mortis> I used the alternative Ubuntu release, then it told me it coulnd't find RELEASE file on the disc
[19:42] <Mortis> Possibly because it was too big for the disc.
[19:42] <lc2> well, wtf
[19:43] <Mortis> Yeah.
[19:43] <Mortis> Should I just try a completely different distro?
[19:43] <Mortis> :-/
[19:44] <Mortis> I'm not really wanting to lean that way, but it might be my only option.
[19:44] <lc2> if xubuntu doesn't work, then that seems like a reasonable thing to do
[19:45] <zoredache> martosurf: are you runing an md5 check before you write the image?
[19:45] <zoredache> ack.. Mortis rather
[19:45] <zoredache> or if you boot of a disk does the verify complete?
[19:45] <Mortis> md5 check?
[19:45] <Mortis> When I wrote it to a disc, it verified it.
[19:46] <Mortis> I used imgburn
[19:46] <zoredache> I am not talking about your cd-writer software
[19:46] <zoredache> I am talking about either the menu entry on the boot screen.  Or running a utility to verify your download was good
[19:47] <zoredache> you should do one or both of those whenever you are downloading isos for linux
[19:47] <zoredache> !md5
[19:53] <martosurf> zoredache: i'm planning to use xubuntu as my primary desktop system and i will connect to internet only, no intranets here
[19:53] <martosurf> zoredache: also, where can i download a windows app to check downloaded ISOs md5
[19:53] <martosurf> ?
[19:54] <zoredache> !md5 | martosurf
[19:54] <martosurf> cool =)
[19:55] <martosurf> see you people, tnx 4 your kind support, yeahh!
[19:55] <Mortis> Okay.
[19:56] <Mortis> So I do an md5 sum on the ISO?
[19:57] <Mortis> I'm confused by this cd\path\to\cddir
[19:57] <Mortis> I don't ever know what to enter...
[19:57] <zoredache> Mortis: it is strongly reccomended as a way to be certain that your download was good
[19:57] <Mortis> Okay.
[19:58] <Mortis> For path do I just put the path of the ISO or what?
[19:58] <zoredache> sorry but path to what?
[19:59] <Mortis> the command prompt to run md5
[19:59] <Mortis> it says cd \path\to\cddir
[19:59] <Mortis> It says to enter that.
[20:00] <zoredache> ah.. I just noticed those links only seem to provide a command line version... for checking md5.... I usually use md5summer (http://www.md5summer.org/download.html)
[20:01] <Mortis> Alright now ho do I check xubuntu?
[20:02] <Mortis> I see a list of folders...
[20:02] <Mortis> annnnd create sums verify sums
[20:02] <Mortis> Do I create a sum from Xubuntu
[20:02] <zoredache> first you chould check the 'xubuntu-desktop.iso' file you downloaded
[20:02] <Mortis> then verify it?
[20:02] <Mortis> I don't know how to do that, that's what I'm asking :-/
[20:03] <Mortis> I'm creating a sum for it...
[20:03] <Mortis> Is that the wrong thing to do?
[20:03] <zoredache> that should be fine... the sum for the official files are on the download site
[20:03] <Mortis> Oh
[20:04] <zoredache> Mortis: so here http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Xubuntu/8.04/release/MD5SUMS
[20:04] <zoredache> so the sum that is getting generate should exactly match the sum on that link for the file you downloaded
[20:04] <Mortis> Ok
[20:05] <Mortis> I have to match up the text?
[20:05] <zoredache> yes
[20:06] <Mortis> Okay, well it all looks good.
[20:06] <Mortis> I'm using xubuntu-8.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[20:06] <lc2> Mortis: if you're not using a 64-bit amd machine i'm going to eat you
[20:07] <Mortis> No, I am.
[20:07] <lc2> k.
[20:07] <Mortis> Oh, no wait.
[20:07] <lc2> thought i'd check
[20:07] <zoredache> Mortis: so when you boot off that cd one of the options will be to verify the disk.  Running that will let you know that your burn was good
[20:07] <Mortis> 64 bit?
[20:08] <lc2> Mortis: what processor do you have
[20:08] <Mortis> I thought it meant AMD Athlon 64+
[20:08] <Mortis> Yeah I am..
[20:09] <lc2> hm
[20:10] <Mortis> Do you want my specs?
[20:10] <lc2> can't hurt i guess
[20:10] <Mortis> Alright
[20:10] <Mortis> AMD Athlon 64+ 1.8ghz
[20:10] <Mortis> ATI AIW 9800 Pro
[20:10] <Mortis> 1 Gig RAM
[20:11] <Mortis> I'm not sure about the mobo
[20:11] <lc2> wait, apparently yeah, that is the right iso
[20:11] <Mortis> Yeah
[20:11] <Mortis> ;)
[20:11] <Mortis> I still don't know why it's loading me into the BusyBox command prompt...
[20:11] <Mortis> It does it for Ubuntu as well
[20:11] <lc2> me neither
[20:12] <TheSheep> it does it when it fails to mount the root direcotry
[20:12] <Mortis> There's so many things that it could be D:
[20:12] <TheSheep> directory
[20:12] <lc2> TheSheep: ooh
[20:12] <Mortis> Well can I redirect it to mount the correct root directory?
[20:12] <Mortis> Oh no wait.
[20:12] <TheSheep> Mortis: it's the root= option in the boot line
[20:12] <lc2> Mortis: it suggests a more fundamental problem
[20:12] <Mortis> Yeah, I figured.
[20:12] <Mortis> What the hell D:
[20:13] <Mortis> I guess I just can't run Ubuntu
[20:13] <Mortis> I had it installed thru Wubi earlier...
[20:13] <Mortis> Uninstalled that.
[20:13] <lc2> TheSheep: what is the root directory in that context
[20:13] <zoredache> the cdrom usually I believe
[20:14] <TheSheep> lc2: the /
[20:14] <lc2> TheSheep: i know what the root directory is
[20:14] <TheSheep> is that livecd?
[20:15] <lc2> TheSheep: i meant what it was trying to mount on /
[20:15] <TheSheep> on livecd it's a unionfs of a ramdisk and the cd
[20:15] <TheSheep> on normal install it's whatever partition you installed to
[20:15] <lc2> mhm
[20:16] <Mortis> Gah.
[20:17] <Mortis> This is beginning to annoy me :(
[20:17] <TheSheep> when it cannot mount it, it usually means that your computer has some disk controller that is poorly supported and it cannot get to the disk
[20:17] <Mortis> I should just be able to boot it up with the disc in the tray, right?
[20:17] <lc2> Mortis: yes
[20:17] <Mortis> Okay.
[20:17] <Mortis> TheSheep, what would you suggest I do?
[20:17] <lc2> i suggest the alternative installer
[20:17] <TheSheep> on livecd it may mean that the cd is broken or that it cannot access the cd drive for some reason
[20:17] <TheSheep> Mortis: did you check the cd for defects?
[20:18] <Mortis> It does the same thing when I try to do that.
[20:18] <Mortis> At least with Ubuntu.
[20:19] <TheSheep> then the alternate cd won't work probably
[20:19] <Mortis> Nope. It didn't.
[20:19] <TheSheep> Mortis: when you press f1, it should give you some help about possible boot options, you might try these
[20:19] <Mortis> It installed up until it looked for a file called 'Release'
[20:19] <Mortis> The only other boot options are to try, or install inside windows.
[20:20] <TheSheep> Mortis: ah, so the alternate cd booted?
[20:20] <Mortis> I already had it installed inside windows, and I don't want that again. It limited me to like 3 gigs
[20:20] <TheSheep> Mortis: did you try checking that for defects?
[20:20] <Mortis> Yes, the alternate booted (for Ubuntu) but it failed to read a file.
[20:20] <Mortis> Hm. No, I'll do that now.
[20:20] <Mortis> I'll brb
[20:21] <Mortis> Even if the CD is defective, I'll still have the problem
[20:21] <Mortis> and I'm out of blank discs
[20:22] <Mortis> Okay, brb
[20:29] <maristo> hi all
[20:29] <zoredache> hi
[20:31] <maristo> saluton
[20:48] <Mortis> Alright, I'm back.
[20:48] <Mortis> Ubuntu's alternative CD couldn't mount either.
[20:49] <Mortis> Could it be a problem with my drive?
[20:49] <lc2> yes, it very well could be
[20:49] <Mortis> Xubuntu and Ubuntu refuse to mount...
[20:49] <Mortis> I'm assuming all I can do about that is to buy a new one...
[20:49] <TheSheep> Mortis: did you burn them at the slowest possible speed?
[20:49] <Mortis> No.
[20:49] <Mortis> I burned them at 40X
[20:49] <Mortis> :-/
[20:49] <TheSheep> and with a newer drive?
[20:49] <Mortis> Which is what the CDs are meant for.
[20:50] <Mortis> I'm not sure how old this drive is
[20:50] <Mortis> It
[20:50] <Mortis> is probably about 2 or 3 years old
[20:50] <TheSheep> Mortis: the problem is, the faster the burning speed, the smaller the changes on the cd's surface, and old drives can have trouble reading them
[20:50] <Mortis> Ah.
[20:50] <Mortis> ...I need more blank CDs then
[20:50] <TheSheep> Mortis: with slow burning speed, the laser touches the surface longer
[20:50] <Mortis> I'll burn them at a slower speed.
[20:50] <Mortis> What would you recommend?
[20:51] <TheSheep> there are also methods of installing ubuntu without cd
[20:51] <TheSheep> !install
[20:51] <TheSheep> Mortis: the slowest your drive can do
[20:51] <Mortis> Probably 16x
[20:51] <TheSheep> Mortis: that's usually either 2x or 10x
[20:51] <Mortis> Oh
[20:51] <Mortis> Alright
[20:52] <Mortis> I know you can install from USB
[20:52] <Mortis> Wait
[20:52] <Mortis> If my drive can't read it on boot
[20:52] <Mortis> why can it read it perfectly fine in Windows?
[20:52] <Mortis> The autoruns and stuff still work
[20:52] <Mortis> It just doesn't mount natively...
[20:53] <Mortis> Oh shit, you can install it from the hard disk? I thought about that, but didn't think it was possible.
[20:54] <TheSheep> !swear
[20:54] <Mortis> Does Ubuntu have NTFS read/write support?
[20:54] <TheSheep> pleae don't swear :)
[20:54] <Mortis> Sorry.
[20:54] <zoredache> !ntfs | Mortis
[20:55] <Mortis> Ughhhhh. This is so confusing :-/
[20:55] <zoredache> If it was easy, then it wouldn't be fun
[20:55] <Mortis> lol
[20:56] <Mortis> Alright, well I'm going to try and install from hard disk...anyone willing to help me with that?
[20:57] <TheSheep> it might be hard without a livcd or a working linux on the box already
[20:58] <Mortis> Well this is my only other option :-/
[20:58] <Mortis> I realy need to figure out what partitioning is
[20:58] <Mortis> I thought it was just setting aside a certain amount of disk space for a certain OS
[20:58] <Mortis> or folder
[20:59] <TheSheep> in fact it's dividign your disk into parts
[20:59] <Mortis> That's what I thought
[21:00] <Mortis> So what is this talk of FAT32 and NTFS
[21:00] <Mortis> ?
[21:00] <TheSheep> each part is called a "partition" and can be formatted differently
[21:00] <charlie-tca> !wubi
[21:00] <Mortis> No, no, no. I'm not using Wubi again.
[21:00] <TheSheep> fat32 or ntfs (and on linux ext2, ext3, xfs, reiserfs, etc.) are the ways that a partition can be organized
[21:00] <Mortis> It only gave me 6 gigs of space for linux total.
[21:00] <Mortis> :-/
[21:01] <Mortis> And it wasn't fixable.
[21:01] <Mortis> Which would you prefer?
[21:01] <TheSheep> ext3
[21:01] <TheSheep> it's the default for (x)ubuntu
[21:01] <Mortis> Okay.
[21:01] <Mortis> How many gigs does it normally give Linux?
[21:01] <Mortis> Or do I decide that?
[21:02] <TheSheep> nit sure, you need about 3-4GB for default install
[21:02] <TheSheep> you decide
[21:02] <Mortis> Okay.
[21:02] <Mortis> Well, I have to go mow the lawn.
[21:02] <Mortis> Meh.
[21:02] <TheSheep> unless you tell it to decide for you, then it looks at the free space and somehow calculates the sizes
[21:02] <Mortis> I'm going to try and get some new blank CDs and record at a slower speed
[21:02] <cody-somerville> Hello Everyone!! :)
[21:02] <Mortis> Though I still don't understand why it would run the autorun, but not mount the image when booting
[21:02] <cody-somerville> The very important Xubuntu community meeting is starting in a few minutes in #ubuntu-meeting :)
[21:03] <TheSheep> Mortis: cleaning the cd drive might help too
[21:03] <cody-somerville> Please feel free to come, listen, participate, and help shape Xubuntu's future! :)
[21:03] <Mortis> You mean like dusting it and such?
[21:03] <TheSheep> Mortis: yes
[21:03] <Mortis> It's probably extremely dusty
[21:03] <Mortis> But, all my other CDs work. It's just Ubuntu.
[21:03] <TheSheep> Mortis: the problem is that it has to read the whole cd, each and every file
[21:04] <Mortis> Yes.
[21:04] <Mortis> But why would that mean it can't mount the image?
[21:04] <Mortis> It loaded up all the files indivdually when opening up in Windows
[21:04] <TheSheep> Mortis: you might be able to read the file list from the cd, but it would give your errors if you tried to read some of these files, probably
[21:04] <Mortis> At least the alternate.
[21:04] <Mortis> Oh
[21:04] <TheSheep> note the "probably" ;)
[21:04] <Mortis> Well the only error I got was it couldn't read a file called 'Release'
[21:05] <TheSheep> one file is enough to fail
[21:05] <Mortis> Yeah
[21:05] <Mortis> But, I'm wondering why it couldn't read it.
[21:05] <Mortis> Eh
[21:05] <Mortis> I'll just trying burning at a slower speed
[21:05] <Mortis> What would you suggest, 10x or something?
[21:06] <TheSheep> set 1x and the burning program will up it for you to the lowest possible
[21:06] <Mortis> Okay.
[21:06] <Mortis> Well, I'll call someone and ask for a blank cd
[21:06] <Mortis> lol
[21:06] <Mortis> Cause I have no more
[21:06] <Mortis> Anyways, thanks for the help.
[21:07] <Mortis> I have to go though.
[21:07] <TheSheep> good luck
[22:03] <hyppias> anyone got this little bluetooth dongle from TRUST working ?
[22:09] <hyppias> are there gnokii binaries around ?
[22:42] <hyppias> \join gnokii
[22:48] <awec> hi
[22:48] <awec> does anyone here use xinerama with their xubuntu?
[22:50] <Mortis> Okay
[22:50] <Mortis> I'm back
[22:50]  * awec is having problems in that he cannot drag windows across monitors in xinerama
[22:52] <Mortis> awec, how'd you do that?
[22:52] <awec> do what?
[22:52] <Mortis> Did you just use "/me"?
[22:52] <awec> yea
[22:52] <awec> 0.o ?
[22:52]  * Mortis can't install Ubuntu due to a BusyBox bug coming up after the B
[22:52] <Mortis> CRAP
[22:55] <RadicalDreamer> Hello.
[22:55] <lc2> ohai
[22:56] <RadicalDreamer> I have a problem. All of a sudden my PCMCIA wireless card dose not seem to work anymore. I have a Xubuntu 8.04 and my card is a D-Link GWL-630. Revision E2.
[22:57] <Mortis> Does ayone know any other possible reasons as to why BusyBox opesn when I try to install Ubuntu
[22:57] <Mortis> ?
[22:57] <RadicalDreamer> This morning it went just fine.
[22:57] <RadicalDreamer> Oops does
[22:57] <RadicalDreamer> Oops DWL-G630
[22:58] <RadicalDreamer> So, I dare to ask, WTF?
[22:59] <RadicalDreamer> At ifconfig wlan0, it seems to be OK, even the MAC address is right.
[22:59] <RadicalDreamer> But the Network Manager stopped recognizing it.
[23:02] <cody-somerville> weird.
[23:09] <Jeren> I'm back... <.<
[23:09] <Jeren> Anyways, I just did a restart on my box after my SFTP locked up and now I'm getting "Could not start the X server..."
[23:09] <Jeren> Any reason why this would come up?
[23:20] <RadicalDreamer> So, no ideas for my problem?
[23:21] <cody-somerville> Mortis, that doesn't usually mean good things :/
[23:21] <cody-somerville> Jeren, Did you change your X server configuration?
[23:21] <cody-somerville> Jeren, try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[23:22] <cody-somerville> RadicalDreamer, You'll probably have more luck ask hardware questions like that in #ubuntu :)
[23:23] <Jeren> I tried that, and it froze... then I did a reboot and now it seems to be coming up fine, now...
[23:23] <Jeren> Unfortunately, now I have no panels yet again...
[23:24] <Jeren> Well, I apparently have one panel in the top left corner, with a button that does nothing
[23:24] <cody-somerville> Jeren, hmm..
[23:24] <Jeren> I'm so tired of these things happening out of nowhere :\
[23:27] <charlie-tca> Jeren, do you need help getting the panels back?
[23:30] <Jeren> I do
[23:31] <Jeren> Considering I'm more of a GUI guy than a command line guy (at least with Linux, as I'm still building my experience)
[23:31] <charlie-tca> Here is what I used when mine went away.
[23:31] <cody-somerville> Jeren, What version of Xubuntu are you running?
[23:31] <Jeren> 8.04
[23:32] <Jeren> Installed it Monday or Tuesday
[23:32] <charlie-tca> Type  Alt+F2           (to open the run window)
[23:32] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: should I step out?
[23:32] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, go ahead :)
[23:33] <cody-somerville> I was just going to point Jeren to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures if he was interested in helping me figure out what was causing his issues.
[23:33] <charlie-tca> Now type  xfce4-panel     (command to start panels)
[23:33] <Jeren> Tried that already, Charlie. (I had a similar issue last week and I checked my chat log)
[23:33] <Jeren> Doesn't do anything.
[23:33] <Jeren> Technically, there is one panel there. Its a square, sitting in the top left corner of my screen. It has one button, called "New Item", that does nothing.
[23:33] <charlie-tca> did you try it using  gksu xfce4-panel
[23:34] <cody-somerville> Jeren, if not, don't try that now :P
[23:34] <Jeren> I did not
[23:34] <Jeren> I just tried xfce4-panel
[23:34] <charlie-tca> you're right
[23:35] <cody-somerville> Jeren, So the panel is already loaded?
[23:35] <Jeren> Cody: I've got that debugging page up
[23:35] <cody-somerville> Just right click it, and click properties
[23:35] <cody-somerville> and then make it full width and what not
[23:35] <Jeren> Some panel, yes. Just not the normal ones
[23:35] <cody-somerville> and add your second panel back
[23:36] <Jeren> I can't change the width of it
[23:36] <cody-somerville> try this:
[23:36] <cody-somerville> press alt+f2 and run: killall xfce4-panel
[23:37] <Jeren> My only option regarding the panel is "Customize Panel", and it just allows me to change the pixel size, which affects both sides of the square. The drop down menu to choose a Panel only has this panel in it
[23:37] <Jeren> Done
[23:37] <cody-somerville> Describe to me what happened?
[23:37] <cody-somerville> *happened
[23:38] <Jeren> That square disappeared
[23:38] <Jeren> Its not an overly detailed description, but thats the truth
[23:38] <Jeren> :P
[23:40] <cody-somerville> :)
[23:40] <cody-somerville> Now, alt+f2
[23:40] <charlie-tca> :)
[23:41] <Jeren> Ok
[23:41] <cody-somerville> rm -rf ~/.config/xfce4/panel/
[23:41] <cody-somerville> This will delete the Xfce4 panel's config files for your user.
[23:41] <cody-somerville> After you do this, we'll copy the default ones back over.
[23:41] <Jeren> Ok
[23:41] <Jeren> Got that done
[23:41] <cody-somerville> So once you execute that command, press alt+f2 again and type this:
[23:42] <cody-somerville> cp -r /etc/xdg/xfce4/panel ~/.config/xfce4/
[23:43] <Jeren> done
[23:44] <cody-somerville> now, open the run dialogue once more by press alt+f2 again and type:
[23:44] <cody-somerville> xfce4-panel &
[23:44] <Jeren> whats the & for?
[23:48] <Jeren> Cody: I did that command and only the square has returned. The normal two panels have not.
[23:49] <cody-somerville> Jeren, can you take a screenshot for me?
[23:53] <Jeren> Um
[23:53] <Jeren> Haven't done a screenshot in Linux before
[23:53] <Jeren> Still the PrtScn button?
[23:54] <charlie-tca> yes
[23:55] <cody-somerville> Jeren, potentially, lol
[23:55] <Jeren> What do I do with it, then?
[23:55] <Jeren> I've hit the PrtScn button...
[23:55] <Jeren> Where do I paste it?
[23:56] <cody-somerville> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=553015
[23:57] <Jeren> So...
[23:57] <Jeren> Which one of those ways do you suggest?
[23:57] <Jeren> Gimp?
[23:58] <cody-somerville> Gimp is probably the simplest at this point
[23:58] <cody-somerville> For some reason, it seems like you're computer isn't very healthy right now, lol
[23:59] <Jeren> and its a fresh install of Xubuntu 8.04 :\
[23:59] <Jeren> All I've done in the past couple days is install Apache, PHP, MySQL, and Webmin
[23:59] <cody-somerville> Webmin isn't supported by Ubuntu.