[00:15] <timboy> anyone know what's the new latest greatest that ubuntu/kubuntu is working on for 8.10? I haven't heard much...
[00:40] <yuriy> timboy: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSPragueSpecs
[00:41] <timboy> thx yuriy
[01:00] <yuriy> wow 4.1 looks amazing, thanks apachelogger!!
[01:02] <yuriy> oh no the taskbar is back to only showing one row
[01:05] <nixternal> Dear new member,
[01:05] <nixternal> Welcome to the KDE e.V.
[01:05] <nixternal> today is just chocked full of good news for me :)
[01:05] <yuriy> heh, congrats again nixternal
[01:13] <Jucato> gaaaah!!! nixternal's a new e.V. member?!?!
[01:14] <Jucato> what a terrible thing to wake up to...
[01:14] <vorian> whoa! congrats nixternal :)
[01:15] <nixternal> hehe
[01:15] <Jucato> KDE has now been infiltrated by Microvell....
[01:15] <Jucato> nixternal: congrats!!!!! :D
[01:15] <Jucato> (it's about time)
[01:15] <nixternal> so, today I made the KDE e.V. and an Ubuntu Core Developer
[01:15] <nixternal> not to shabby
[01:15] <nixternal> I think that now means I am required to work harder
[01:15] <Jucato> congrats to both! :)
[01:15] <Jucato> yeah... riiiiight :)
[01:16] <nixternal> I think to celebrate, I will have a nice Chicago style pizza and some wonderful Chicago style beer :)
[01:17] <Jucato> yum
[01:17] <Jucato> (though I don't know how those taste like)
[01:27] <crimsun_> congrats, rich!
[01:28] <nixternal> thank you sir
[01:28] <crimsun_> now I know who to spam^Wask for uploads!
[02:59] <EagleScreen> gdebi-kde does not run in Debian, is Canonical upstream developper of gdebi packages?
[03:02] <EagleScreen> Dolphin has a servicemenu for compress with Ark, this servicemenu file comes from dolphin package or Ark package???
[03:03] <nixternal> sudo apt-get source dolphin
[03:04] <EagleScreen> i was looking for it in Dolphin sources, downloaded as you say
[03:04] <Jucato> hm.. afaik I put the service menu in the dolphin package
[03:04] <Jucato> d3lphin actually
[03:05] <EagleScreen> i think current servicemenu has a bug
[03:05] <Jucato> I wouldn't be surprised if it had lots :)
[03:05] <EagleScreen> i reported it on launchpad some time ago, but nobody do nothing
[03:05] <Jucato> it was a very quick hack to provide some sense of sanity to an otherwise insane file manager ;)
[03:06] <Jucato> (of course hoping you're referring to d3lphin/dolphin kde3)
[03:06] <EagleScreen> i have maked an alternative servicemenu for ark, which has the bug fixed, yes i refer d3lphin of KDE3
[03:09] <nixternal> g'nite all!
[03:09] <nixternal> see ya in the morning :)
[03:10] <Jucato> bye nixternal!!!
[03:10] <Jucato> EagleScreen: did you attach your alternative in the bug report?
[03:10] <EagleScreen> yes, i did it
[03:10]  * Jucato doesn't know who to poke about it
[03:10] <Jucato> can you give the link to the bug?
[03:11] <EagleScreen> yes, a momment, please
[03:15] <EagleScreen> i am looking for the report
[03:15] <EagleScreen> i ma not good for search on launchpad, sorry
[03:16] <EagleScreen> i have got it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/185795
[03:19] <EagleScreen> yes, it is, what is your opinion about the bug and about my modified servicemenu?
[03:25] <DASkreECH> Nixternal got a job!!
[03:31] <Jucato> EagleScreen: it does say to submit a debdiff for it. that's how it's usually done. I bet you can get help about making one here (later maybe.. when people are awake)
[03:42] <EagleScreen> Jucato: i readed making debdiff, but i dont know hot to do it becouse i didn't find servicemenu file in d3lphin package
[03:42] <EagleScreen> in addiction i have never done one debdiff
[03:55] <ScottK-laptop> I don't think we're going to use d3lphin in Intrepid, so I'm not sure how much effort it is worth to fix at this point.
[04:04] <ScottK-laptop> EagleScreen: I suspect kubuntu-default-settings is the package you want.
[04:04] <ScottK-laptop> It'd be good to find out if dolphin for kde4 has the same problem.
[04:05] <Jucato> ScottK-laptop: if you're referring to the ark_compress.desktop servicemenu, it's in the dolphin (d3lphin) package
[04:05] <ScottK-laptop> Jucato: OK.  I was going on he said it wasn't there.
[04:06] <Jucato> it's there. but I'm betting he just opened the orig.tar.gz and expected it to be there
[04:06] <ScottK-laptop> kubuntu-default-settings has some of the servicemenus in it.
[04:06] <ScottK-laptop> Ah.
[04:06]  * Jucato was the one who added the service menu :P
[04:06] <Jucato> though I can't remember now how I did it actually
[04:06] <Jucato> and I suck at making debdiffs.. so I'm ofno use now
[04:06] <Jucato> "of no"
[04:07] <ScottK-laptop> No problem.  nixternal will fix everything now.
[04:08] <Jucato> ScottK-laptop, EagleScreen: the root of the problem is that d3lphin sucks... and basically the right-click menu to compress files with Ark in Konqueror is not a service menu. it's a plugin from Ark
[04:08] <ScottK-laptop> Right.  So move on I guess.
[04:08]  * yuriy does magic disk space recovery. cd /home/kde-devel/kde/src/kdebase; make clean
[04:08] <Jucato> but since no such plugin exists for D3lphin (and apparently not for Dolphin either), I whipped up that service menu.. but now I'm having a hard time remembering why I used %u instead of
[04:09] <Jucato> %U
[04:09] <ScottK-laptop> yuriy: rm -rf saves more.
[04:09]  * ScottK-laptop decides to head back into the kitchen and clean some more.
[04:11] <Jucato> EagleScreen: sorry I can't help you with making the debdiff... I barely got through it on my own myself.. and that was almost half a year ago. but your service menu looks quite alright from where I'm standing. all you're missing it the debdiff
[04:11] <yuriy> ScottK-laptop: no rm -rfing anything between 11pm and 11am
[04:11] <ScottK> To make a debdiff ...
[04:11] <ScottK> yuriy: No sense of adventure.
[04:12] <Jucato> ScottK: I've had enough of Debian packaging tbh... I concluded that it hates me :)
[04:12] <ScottK> debdiff package-version-revisonx.dsc package-version-revisony.dsc > name.of.your.debdiff
[04:41] <EagleScreen> jucato: sorry i was away
[04:42] <EagleScreen> i dont know how to do debdiff
[04:47] <EagleScreen> i will investigate it when i have time :)
[04:50] <EagleScreen> uses Dolphin-kde4 the same servicemenus than d3lphin???
[04:53] <DASkreECH> not the same AFAIK
[04:58]  * ScottK teaches python-kde3 not to need libkonsolpart.so so it'll work in Intrepid using the highly complex method of merging the new upstream from Debian that drops it.
[05:59] <ScottK> Riddell: python-kde3 libkonsolpart.so problem is solved.
[06:00] <ScottK> (for the correct spelling of that file).
[06:00] <DASkreECH> are there packages for Koffice alpha 8 ?
[06:59] <yao_ziyuan> ﻿just to remind kubuntu + firefox 3 users, i found a perfect firefox theme for firefox 3 under kubuntu, which solves the ugly tabs problem: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4517
[07:12] <yao_ziyuan> ﻿the firefox theme i mentioned just now draws menus badly. here is a better one: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7379
[07:17] <\sh> congrats apachelogger
[08:02] <Arby> morning
[08:58] <eagles0513875> anyone in here this morning i have a weird question
[08:59] <eagles0513875> in regards to open office and updating ones machine after a fresh install
[11:37] <Tonio_> hi there
[11:37] <Tonio_> just testing kde4 since my driver now seems to be stable....
[11:37] <Tonio_> I can't find the way to switch konqueror to webkit, does this need a specific package ?
[11:41] <Jucato> something like a webkit kdepart I think
[11:41] <Jucato> KDE 4 doesn't have it built-in
[11:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: you'd need to compile kdewebkit for that from svn
[11:41] <Riddell> no idea if it works currently
[11:45] <nixternal> mornin'
[11:45] <nixternal> it works, or at least it worked
[11:45] <nixternal> kdewebkit that is
[11:51] <Jucato> moin nixternal, Riddell!
[11:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki :)
[11:54] <Tonio_> nixternal: I completly forgot you........ sorry for this
[11:55] <Jucato> you can't forget him now. he's a core-dev(il)!
[11:55] <nixternal> Tonio_: that is OK, I understand the situation :)
[11:57] <Tonio_> nixternal: bah it's a bit complicated for me atm since I don't have an appartment ans therefore no internet connection in the evening...
[12:04] <smarter> Riddell: do you know where this kdewebkit is located on the SVN?
[12:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: also, my desktop directories don't seem to be parsed.... I only have kde3 stuff in the menu, is that known problem ?
[12:07] <nixternal> smarter: somewhere in either playground or keg
[12:07] <Riddell> smarter: playground I expect
[12:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: not known, what distro and kde version?
[12:08] <smarter> found :)
[12:08] <smarter> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/libs/webkitkde/
[12:08] <smarter> do you think it's worth packaging it?
[12:09] <Riddell> smarter: I packaged it for hardy but removed before release since people were complaining
[12:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: hardy, kde4.1 beta
[12:09] <Riddell> smarter: if you have konqueror working in intrepid do try it out and see if it's worth re-packaging
[12:09] <smarter> complaining about what?
[12:09] <smarter> ok
[12:10] <Riddell> smarter: that it didn't work well enough
[12:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: my $path seems to be aoky
[12:10] <Tonio_> okay
[12:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: dunno, hardy is old :)
[12:10]  * smarter is currently running on hardy + kde4 daily build
[12:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe I know :)
[12:12] <nixternal> anyone try any of the daily builds yet?
[12:12] <nixternal> and how come Alpha 1 hasn't been released yet?
[12:21] <smarter> the webkit part works great
[12:21] <Czessi> morning
[12:21] <Czessi> did someone work on konq-plugins for kde4?
[12:24] <Tm_T> hi kids
[12:25] <Riddell> Czessi: where is it?
[12:25] <Riddell> Czessi: I mean is it still in svn?  kdeaddons seems to be dead
[12:26] <Riddell> smarter: how well do widgets work?  tried flash?
[12:26] <Czessi> Riddell: it's in extragear-base. i've build a test packages and it works http://czessi.kubuntu-de.org/images/konq-plugins.png
[12:26]  * smarter tries
[12:26] <Riddell> Czessi: nice
[12:26] <Czessi> Riddell: i can upload the package to revu when it's finished
[12:27] <Riddell> Czessi: please do
[12:27] <Czessi> ok
[12:27] <smarter> flash works
[12:28] <Riddell> smarter: sounding good
[12:28] <Riddell> smarter: how about the ultimate test.. gmail
[12:29] <smarter> :D
[12:29]  * smarter tries
[12:29] <smarter> http://google.com/ig works too
[12:29] <Riddell> that works in khtml
[12:32] <smarter> gmail works, but sometimes when you click on a link, nothing happens(except the little yellow box showing "Loading" appears)
[12:33] <smarter> identificated as Firefox 2.0.0.8
[12:33] <smarter> I tried to use Safari 2.0 user agent but it doesn't work at all
[12:36] <smarter> will Qt 4.4.1 be released with a more recent version of WebKit?
[12:42] <Riddell> smarter: I don't know
[12:43] <Riddell> smarter: however it sounds good to package so dig out the old packaging if you can or just do it from scratch
[12:45] <piquadrat> Hi! I use the kde4.1 beta packages from kubuntu-members-kde4. I noticed that knetattach-kde4 is not available in it. Is there some other source for that package (besides of compiling it myself, for which I do not have time right now)?
[12:48] <smarter> Riddell: okay, what was the name of the package?
[12:51] <eagles0513875> Riddell: are there some issues with repos when updates are released
[12:53] <Riddell> smarter: kdewebkit
[12:53] <Riddell> eagles0513875: no
[12:54] <eagles0513875> Riddell: thats funny when i run sudo apt-get update on 2 repos i get a hash error or something along those lines
[12:54] <Hobbsee> try it again.
[12:55] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: i do and it says the same thing again or instead of updating i just run sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:55] <eagles0513875> it updates fine where there are no updated pkgs
[12:55] <Hobbsee> then you need to contact the owners of the mirrors that you're using.
[12:56] <Hobbsee> or try to use a different one.
[12:57] <smarter> Riddell: I can't find it, do you have a copy of it?
[13:00] <Riddell> smarter: ah, wrong name https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webkitkde/0~svn750780-0ubuntu1
[13:01] <Riddell> smarter: update the cdbs files with the current ones from kdepimlibs in intrepid
[13:06] <Riddell> piquadrat: kdebase-runtime/debian/kdebase-runtime.install:usr/lib/kde4/libexec/knetattach
[13:08] <smarter> Riddell: will do
[13:13] <smarter> Riddell: I only need cdbs/kde.mk no?
[13:25] <Riddell> smarter: shrug, I'd just copy al four
[13:35] <dwidmann> ooh, this looks fun: http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d3919c3c
[13:42] <eagles0513875> fyi the bot is no longer in the kubuntu channel
[13:44] <Jucato> eagles0513875: <-- ubottu has left this server (No route to host).
[13:44] <eagles0513875> yep
[13:44] <Jucato> it's in no channel. period. :)
[13:45]  * dwidmann reckons the solution would be to bug jussio about it
[13:45] <eagles0513875> lol
[13:45] <eagles0513875> jussio1: hey
[13:45] <eagles0513875> dwidmann: lol
[13:53] <Hobbsee> apparently he's in transit
[14:01] <eagles0513875> lol
[14:02] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: talking about the bott being in transit
[14:02] <Hobbsee> no, jussio1
[14:02] <Hobbsee> so he probably won't bring the bot back for a while.
[14:02] <eagles0513875> gotcah
[14:02] <eagles0513875> gotta say that bot really grows on ya
[14:21] <tonio_> Riddell: I just tried to upgrade to intrepid....
[14:22] <tonio_> Riddell: is it me or are the kubuntu*desktop metapackages completly broken ?
[14:22] <tonio_> Riddell: they refer to non existing packages, etc...
[14:22] <Riddell> very likely
[14:22] <Riddell> kubuntu-kde4-desktop is dead
[14:22] <tonio_> Riddell: kubuntu-desktop is too :)
[14:22] <Riddell> kubuntu-desktop I updated yesterday, should work in theory
[14:22] <tonio_> Riddell: what can I install to have a minimal config working ?
[14:23] <Riddell> dunno, I've not tried installing intrepid
[14:23] <tonio_> Riddell: kubuntu-desktop is broken for me.... lemme look
[14:25] <tonio_> Riddell: to make it simple, kubuntu-desktop depends on (an example) kmail
[14:25] <tonio_> kmail depends on kdesktop, which has a strict dependancy on 3.5.9 for kdebase-bin
[14:26] <Riddell> kmail 4.0.80 compiled 20 hours ago
[14:26] <tonio_> Riddell: which is 4.0.80 :)
[14:26] <tonio_> hum okay lemme look again then
[14:26] <dwidmann> tonio: 4.1 beta
[14:26] <Riddell> stuck in New I expect
[14:26] <tonio_> Riddell: then it didn't reach the repos I'm using
[14:27] <Riddell> blame seb128 for not processing New yesterday
[14:29] <tonio_> Riddell: no problem :)
[14:29] <tonio_> Riddell: as long as I have a network connection and a shell, I'm fine :)
[14:32] <piquadrat> Riddell: sorry, I had to leave for a meeting. Concerning knetattach: when I go to "Network Folders/Add Network Folder" in Konqueror, it tells me "KDEInit could not launch '/usr/lib/kde4/bin/knetattach'". I made a symbolic link to that location and now it works
[14:34] <tonio_> Riddell: also, kubuntu-desktop depends several packages conflicting each other
[14:35] <tonio_> Riddell: khelpcenter and khelpcenter4 for example
[15:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: how about announcing kde nightly on Dot News?
[15:59] <Riddell> so, beta 2, who wants to build it for hardy?
[16:00] <Riddell> stdin maybe?
[16:02]  * Arby runs and hides
[16:02] <Riddell> Arby: I uploaded rsibreak thanks
[16:02] <Riddell> Arby: no beta 2 extragear packages have appeared yet I'm afraid
[16:04] <Arby> Riddell: thanks for the upload
[16:04] <Arby> it failed to build on ppc
[16:04] <Arby> with cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-mmmx"
[16:04] <Arby> whatever that means
[16:41] <smarter> Riddell: the only remaining bit of KDE3 in intrepid will be kdelibs?
[16:50] <Riddell> smarter: and applications that don't have a kde 4 version
[16:50] <smarter> okay
[16:51]  * smarter updates kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts
[16:51] <Riddell> Arby: I wouldn't care about ppc, i386 and amd64 are the only supported ones
[16:51] <Arby> ok
[16:52] <Arby> Riddell: any progress on kdepim, it's the major block on kopete-cryptography merging
[16:52] <Arby> which is the last thing in extragear
[16:52] <Riddell> Arby: it's in new
[16:52] <Arby> excellent
[16:52] <Arby> is it likely to reach repos sometime soon then?
[16:53] <Arby> if so I can try again this weekend
[16:53] <Arby> probably just before beta2 appears :)
[16:55] <Riddell> Arby: I'll let it through now, yesterday's archive admin failed to process New
[16:55] <Arby> thanks
[16:56] <Arby> Riddell: what's the plan for 4.1? are we going to package beta's as they appear until final arrives?
[16:57] <Riddell> Arby: beta 2 then rc then final I tihnk
[16:57] <Riddell> think
[16:57] <Riddell> then .1 .2 etc ..
[16:58] <Riddell> it's a never ending task I'm afraid
[16:58] <Arby> how does that fit with import freezes etc?
[16:58] <Arby> I don't mind work, just trying to understand what's involved
[16:58] <Arby> are we going to need a lot of exceptions
[16:59] <Riddell> it should be excempt from freezes since it's known to stabalise on a clear timetable that fits in with our release
[17:07] <Arby> ok
[17:25]  * stdin was going to upgrade to intrepid, but it makes aptitude "Abort."
[17:29] <Riddell> stdin: I wouldn't yet
[17:29] <stdin> yeah, I've already changed my sources back to hardy for now
[17:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: as long as you use a home-compiled KDE intrepid works just fine ;-) ... I'll try to find some time for the dot news
[17:42] <apachelogger> really busy with exams right now
[18:01] <smarter_> Riddell: could you please review revision 21 of kks? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts/trunk
[18:15] <ScottK> nixternal: Congratulations.  Go upload something.
[18:17]  * ryanakca cheers nixternal
[18:22] <ryanakca> Riddell: ping, feel like giving the website one last look before I ask Ng to redirect the DNS?
[18:31] <nixternal> yo yo! gimme sumpin' to upload :)
[18:31] <nixternal> actually, I am getting ready for a pub luncheon today :)
[19:07] <Tm_T> mmmmgh
[19:10] <EagleScreen> how can i validate mi GPG on Launchpad? i am reading wiki and it give me this link: https://launchpad.net/~<username>/+editpgpkeys nut it semms to be broken
[19:11] <EagleScreen> sorry is this link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/https%3a//launchpad.net/%7e%3cusername%3e/+editpgpkeys
[19:26] <ScottK> What's your Launchpad username?
[20:02] <yuriy> for whoever is working on beta2 packages for PPA: bug 240197
[22:47] <Riddell> nixternal: akode if you're looking for merges
[22:47]  * nixternal hides
[22:47] <nixternal> I might have a bit of time tonight to do some merging
[22:47] <nixternal> if not, I have an entire weekend set aside just for Riddell :)
[22:48] <nixternal> and on that note, it is time to start heading to the train
[22:48] <nixternal> cya in a bit
[22:48] <EagleScreen> i am learning to use pbuilder :D
[22:50] <EagleScreen> what happens if I am running Debian, but i want to build a package for Hardy?
[23:28] <Riddell> EagleScreen: you should be able to set in pbuilderrc for it to use hardy instead of unstable
[23:32] <EagleScreen> Thanks Riddel, now I unserstand that it should be sufficient to pbuilder uses hardy packages
[23:40] <EagleScreen> Ridell, i think a must have a sintax error in my .pbuilderrc
[23:41] <EagleScreen> ubuntu dists try to use debian mirror in place of ubuntu mirror