| cody-somerville | elmo, Have a minute? | 00:00 |
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| elmo | cody-somerville: kind of - it's pretty late here | 00:01 |
| cody-somerville | elmo, Okay. Maybe another time would be better. I just wanted to follow up with you regarding the discussion we had in Prague. | 00:02 |
| danshearer | 'evening | 00:02 |
| elmo | cody-somerville: ah, ok - yeah, happy to talk about that another time (just earlier in the day :) | 00:03 |
| danshearer | Question about blueprints: let's say you write a stunning blueprint, then come back 5 minutes later | 00:03 |
| cody-somerville | elmo, understood :] | 00:03 |
| danshearer | and realise that actually it is irrelvant/stupid/wrong window typing/whatever. What next? | 00:03 |
| danshearer | I just marked a blueprint with name, description and url as 'discarded' | 00:04 |
| === barry-away is now known as barry | ||
| danshearer | I know. It's up to me to come up with something worthwhile and put there instead :-) | 00:04 |
| jamesh | doctormo: if you want to do identifier select, just do consumer.begin('https://login.launchpad.net') | 01:12 |
| jamesh | if you want beginWithoutDiscovery, it needs to be OPENID_IDP_2_0_TYPE | 01:13 |
| doctormo | jamesh: working on it | 01:13 |
| doctormo | That's what I do do | 01:13 |
| jamesh | but note that the openid code is still in beta: things are subject to change | 01:13 |
| doctormo | Indeed, there is a big push to use the launchpad accounts with out LoCo websites | 01:14 |
| jamesh | I'm just saying this because you might need to do a migration at some point. | 01:15 |
| poolie | oh wow the new search is just amazing | 01:46 |
| lifeless | :) | 01:47 |
| poolie | ie it actually works | 01:48 |
| mwhudson | i think this is an area where new launchpad users have a clear advantage over us oldies: | 01:49 |
| mwhudson | i don't even _see_ the search box any more | 01:49 |
| poolie | me too | 01:50 |
| jml | oh launchpad has a search engine | 01:51 |
| mwhudson | jml: it's almost like it's 1999 again | 01:52 |
| lifeless | we should dance | 01:52 |
| mwhudson | my word, altavista still exists | 01:52 |
| mwhudson | lifeless: i think that joke has been illegal in most jurisdictions for at least a decade | 01:53 |
| lifeless | mwhudson: /bow | 01:53 |
| jamesh | says AltaVista is owned by Overture, who are in turn owned by Yahoo | 02:21 |
| jamesh | who might get owned by Microsoft in future | 02:21 |
| SpookyET | hi | 03:25 |
| SpookyET | I keep getting this email http://pastie.org/217736 | 03:25 |
| wgrant | SpookyET: It means precisely what is said. what is unclear? | 03:26 |
| SpookyET | md5sums are right | 03:27 |
| SpookyET | I don't know what it's smoking | 03:27 |
| wgrant | No, they're not. | 03:29 |
| wgrant | Not one of those files matches your previous ~ppa3 upload: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15240870/nano-syntax_20080502-0ubuntu1~ppa3_source.changes | 03:29 |
| wgrant | Urgh. | 03:29 |
| wgrant | Wrong link. | 03:29 |
| SpookyET | I md5sum manually and compared | 03:29 |
| wgrant | But you uploaded ~ppa3 before. | 03:29 |
| wgrant | With different md5sums. | 03:29 |
| SpookyET | not of rdup | 03:30 |
| SpookyET | you're looking at nano-syntax | 03:30 |
| wgrant | Or you altered the .orig.tar.gz. | 03:30 |
| wgrant | Those are the two reasons it would happen, although I was looking at the wrong one before. | 03:30 |
| SpookyET | I deleted rdup ppa2 to get around this. | 03:31 |
| SpookyET | I have modified .orig | 03:31 |
| wgrant | That's a very very bad idea. | 03:31 |
| wgrant | Not guaranteed to work. | 03:31 |
| wgrant | You should never modify the .orig, both because it's semantically and technically wrong. | 03:31 |
| SpookyET | wgrant: it came with a bad /debian | 03:31 |
| wgrant | And it was only deleted 5 hours ago - it won't have been physically deleted yet. | 03:32 |
| wgrant | SpookyET: Even so, you must increment the version. | 03:32 |
| kiko | SpookyET, you always increment the version. no matter what. :) | 03:32 |
| wgrant | SpookyET: You should always note in the .orig's version that it has been modified from the upstream tarball, if it has indeed been modified. | 03:33 |
| wgrant | Or you confuse people who work on your package afterwards, and break Debian syncs if you do it in primary. | 03:33 |
| wgrant | Saying that something is the original 0.6.0 tarball when it is in fact not is somewhat misleading. | 03:33 |
| SpookyET | rename rdup_0.6.0.orig.tar.gz to what | 03:33 |
| wgrant | SpookyET: rdup_0.6.0+spookyet1, I would suggest. | 03:34 |
| SpookyET | the best way would be for debuild to patch /debian automatically before using it | 03:34 |
| wgrant | The best way is actually for upstream to avoid putting distro-specific stuff in their source distributions. | 03:35 |
| wgrant | Makes it much easier for everyone | 03:35 |
| SpookyET | I don't think it works properly on debian | 03:35 |
| wgrant | kiko: Is there a way to see the full deletion comment somewhere? | 03:35 |
| wgrant | It has caused some confusion in Ubuntu, as it has nicely trimmed off a package name so it's ambiguous. | 03:36 |
| SpookyET | So, it was deleted 5 hours ago, but it's still on disk. How long should I wait? | 03:36 |
| wgrant | That I cannot tell you. kiko might know. | 03:36 |
| wgrant | But you don't want to do what you're trying to do. | 03:36 |
| SpookyET | rdup_0.6.0+spookyet1.orig.tar.gz? the tools seem to want .orig.tar.gz somewher | 03:38 |
| wgrant | SpookyET: Yes, sorry. | 03:38 |
| kiko | wgrant, I'm not sure of either, but I'm asleep and as such pretty lamed out | 03:38 |
| SpookyET | why +? rdup_0.6.0-0spookyet1.orig.tar.gz is similar to -0ubuntu1 format | 03:39 |
| wgrant | SpookyET: Because we want to change the version of the orig.tar.gz, and that needs to be before any - | 03:40 |
| wgrant | (well, not exactly, but it's bad practice to do anything else unless upstream does it too) | 03:40 |
| wgrant | kiko: You speak remarkably well for being asleep, I must say. | 03:41 |
| wgrant | I thought it was 24-hourly at one point, but it's never good to rely on it. | 03:41 |
| kiko | I think it's actually less than that now -- but cprov will know for sure | 03:42 |
| wgrant | kiko: Less frequently, or with less time in between? | 03:42 |
| SpookyET | well, let's try it | 03:42 |
| SpookyET | bzr-buildpackage | 03:42 |
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| SpookyET | well, if I rename it, it ain't working | 03:44 |
| SpookyET | Looking for ../tarballs/rdup_0.6.0.orig.tar.gz to use as upstream source | 03:44 |
| SpookyET | There is no debian/watch file, so can't use that to retrieve upstream tarball | 03:44 |
| wgrant | SpookyET: You'll need to alter the version in your changelog as well. | 03:44 |
| wgrant | TO something like 0.6.0+spookyet1-0ubuntu1~ppa3 | 03:44 |
| SpookyET | wgrant: done. let's see if i get another email | 03:49 |
| wgrant | SpookyET: You should have it by now. | 03:50 |
| SpookyET | Is there a dch config so I won't have to -D hardy all the time? it increments to intrepid | 03:50 |
| wgrant | SpookyET: You're using Intrepid? Brave soul. | 03:50 |
| SpookyET | wgrant: I'm not | 03:51 |
| SpookyET | hardy | 03:51 |
| wgrant | It's not a common use-case to upload to the release pocket of an old distroseries, so I'm not sure there's a way to force it. | 03:51 |
| wgrant | SpookyET: It looks like it worked, as it's trying to be built. | 03:51 |
| SpookyET | wgrant: it's a very good backup solution | 03:52 |
| SpookyET | i'm sure you've heard of hdup | 03:52 |
| wgrant | I gathered it must be rather good, as Tollef has it in his PPA. | 03:53 |
| SpookyET | It is. same person who made hdup | 03:53 |
| SpookyET | http://miek.nl/projects/rdup/ | 03:53 |
| wgrant | I use rdiff-backup for most things at present, but am always on the lookout for something better. | 03:54 |
| SpookyET | The main page needs some work. he fails to differentiate between rdup the project and rdup the executable. It makes it seem that it only gives you a list of files and you have to figure out what to do with them. | 03:55 |
| wgrant | It does, yes. | 03:56 |
| wgrant | But then it mentions things about making gzipped hardlinked backups, even though it says it just prints out lists of files. | 03:56 |
| SpookyET | rdup /bla | rdup-gz | rdup-gpg | ssh | 03:57 |
| SpookyET | spit files, zip'em | encrypt them | ssh them | 03:57 |
| SpookyET | rdup-simple is similar to rdiff-backup. | 03:57 |
| SpookyET | I've used rdiff-backup. I can't stand it. It's so bloody slow. | 03:58 |
| wgrant | It is slow, and eats a ridiculous amount of CPU power, but the end result is nice. | 03:58 |
| SpookyET | wgrant: an incremental that uploads 5 files can take 2 hours to complete. | 03:59 |
| wgrant | How big are those files? | 03:59 |
| SpookyET | kb in size | 03:59 |
| SpookyET | it goes over the entire tree | 03:59 |
| wgrant | Never seen anything like that happen. | 03:59 |
| SpookyET | that's why it's slow | 03:59 |
| wgrant | Ah, right, yes. | 03:59 |
| SpookyET | i think it hashes your entire drive | 04:00 |
| wgrant | Probably. | 04:00 |
| SpookyET | transfer speed is also slow | 04:00 |
| wgrant | That's the only sure way to do it. | 04:00 |
| SpookyET | wgrant: ctime is good | 04:00 |
| SpookyET | dar uses it. | 04:00 |
| wgrant | You have to rely on ctime and mtime being correct. | 04:01 |
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| wgrant | Night kiko-zzz. | 04:02 |
| SpookyET | it also uses rsync algorithm over ssh which is ungodly slow. I get 2MiB/s with rsync over ssh. I get 8MiB/s with rsync and rsync-server or scp | 04:03 |
| SpookyET | There is a really cool backup script called link-backup. It's written in python. It's very fast and it hashes. It creates a catalog. Puts everything in there. Then it hardlinks snapshot tree to that catalog. So if you rename movies isos and other big files, they will not be transfered again | 04:05 |
| SpookyET | http://www.scottlu.com/Content/Link-Backup.html | 04:06 |
| SpookyET | It built. You're welcome to try it. man rdup-simple | 04:09 |
| kiko-zzz | night wgrant | 04:09 |
| SpookyET | kiko-zzz: night | 04:10 |
| SpookyET | wgrant: thank you | 04:20 |
| wgrant | SpookyET: No problem. | 04:21 |
| SpookyET | wgrant: I'm used to simpler things --> pacman. | 04:23 |
| wgrant | SpookyET: How is that simpler? | 04:26 |
| wgrant | (I've not used it) | 04:26 |
| SpookyET | wgrant: packages are rdup-0.6.0.pkg.tar.gz . simple .tar.gz. files. Making packages for it is very simple. | 04:29 |
| SpookyET | One file called PKGBUILD. and one tool called makepkg | 04:29 |
| SpookyET | Here's a simple one http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/link-backup/link-backup/PKGBUILD | 04:30 |
| SpookyET | a little more complicated firefox 3: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/firefox-spookyet/firefox-spookyet/PKGBUILD | 04:31 |
| wgrant | SpookyET: Looks basically like they've merged all Debian control files into one file. | 04:32 |
| SpookyET | just shell commands. makes things very simple. no tools upon tools upon tools. | 04:32 |
| wgrant | Can one do multiple binaries? | 04:32 |
| SpookyET | wgrant: yeah, but it's shell commands as opposed to a makefile, making "rules" even easier | 04:33 |
| SpookyET | wgrant: yeah | 04:33 |
| wgrant | Makefiles can be treated similarly unless you're doing rather strange stuff... | 04:33 |
| SpookyET | Here's rdup http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/rdup/rdup/PKGBUILD | 04:35 |
| SpookyET | I like that 99% of the time you can copy the ./configure; make; makeinstall instructions from the developer's site with minimal modification and paste it in the build function | 04:36 |
| SpookyET | wgrant: Do you like it? | 04:44 |
| persia | Is there an interface to get to the next page of the package list when copying files in a PPA? Alternately, is there a way to show more than 20 packages? | 04:52 |
| wgrant | SpookyET: It's not bad, I must say. | 04:53 |
| wgrant | persia: You have to do a search. | 04:53 |
| persia | wgrant: Right. So binary copy of a large PPA to a new distroseries is tricky. Thanks. | 04:54 |
| wgrant | persia: You might be able to specify &batch=somelargenumber on a copy page. | 04:54 |
| SpookyET | wgrant: There is another one called conary written in python very similar to pacman. It has a recipe file which is like a PKGBUILD, but with python instead of bash instructions | 04:55 |
| SpookyET | It was created by the rpm author | 04:55 |
| SpookyET | It's very revolutionary | 04:55 |
| SpookyET | http://www.linux.com/articles/60500 | 04:56 |
| wgrant | Oh dear. | 04:56 |
| wgrant | Why does the search POST it? | 04:56 |
| wgrant | I almost did something very bad there. | 04:56 |
| SpookyET | ? | 04:57 |
| wgrant | SpookyET: Referring to +copy-packages on Launchpad | 04:58 |
| persia | wgrant: ?batch=75 doesn't do it. I'll find another way (or not do the binary copy). | 04:58 |
| SpookyET | url hacking? | 04:58 |
| wgrant | persia: It doesn't work, right. I suppose it wants POST or something similarly crazy which it shouldn't. | 04:59 |
| persia | wgrant: Yeah. I don't think I want to hack it too much with my use case, nor populate my own PPA to be sufficient volume to cause the issue. | 05:02 |
| SpookyET | Does launchpad not accept binaries for security reasons? | 05:06 |
| wgrant | SpookyET: That and sanity reasons. | 05:09 |
| wgrant | It can be very nasty to troubleshoot issues with binaries if you can't guarantee that they were actually built from that source. | 05:10 |
| wgrant | As well as being illegal in the case of the GPL. | 05:10 |
| wgrant | Allowing binary uploads removes reproducability. | 05:10 |
| wgrant | persia: You could hack it up on staging or dogfood - they're nice and safe. | 05:11 |
| wgrant | It might be a good feature to have to copy all binaries from one DistoSeries to the next, rather like inherit-from-parent.py | 05:12 |
| wgrant | Everybody will have to do it every 6 months anyway. | 05:13 |
| SpookyET | The build servers must be quite busy if people upload firefox oo2.org, etc | 05:14 |
| wgrant | SpookyET: There are three for each arch. Not many people upload OOo, and Firefox isn't much of a problem. | 05:14 |
| wgrant | Particularly not on the nice fast lpia machines. | 05:14 |
| === mwhudson_ is now known as mwhudson | ||
| NMR_Techie | heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp. lol i cant sign my code o conduct | 05:55 |
| NMR_Techie | gpg --clearsign UbuntuCodeOfConduct-1.0.1.txt yields " no such file or directory" after i enter my passphrase | 05:57 |
| spiv | NMR_Techie: do you have UbuntuCodeOfConduct-1.0.1.txt in your current working directory? | 06:00 |
| spiv | i.e. does it show up in "ls" output? | 06:00 |
| Ekushey | persia, do you know if it's possible to change the ubuntu email address or not? | 06:18 |
| persia | Ekushey: Why me? I know it's possible, but couldn't tell you how. | 06:19 |
| Ekushey | persia, i asked you cause i don't know anyone on this channel | 06:22 |
| wgrant | Ekushey: Your @ubuntu.com email address is generated from your Launchpad username. | 06:22 |
| wgrant | Altering your username should update the alias within a few days. | 06:22 |
| Ekushey | wget, it's not possible to get a non-LP username email alias? | 06:23 |
| wgrant | Ekushey: For some reason, no. | 06:23 |
| wgrant | It seems rather limiting, but this is how it is. | 06:23 |
| Ekushey | oh ok :( | 06:24 |
| NMR_Techie | spiv , yes i do | 06:31 |
| mpt | Goooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders! | 08:00 |
| Hobbsee | mpt! | 08:02 |
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| thumper | mpt: I have more questions for you | 08:09 |
| thumper | mpt: I'll grab you in an hour or so | 08:09 |
| mpt | ok | 08:10 |
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| wgrant | mpt: Well, that wasn't the solution I was expecting (removal of the help panel). But I guess it works. | 09:21 |
| mpt | hhe | 09:21 |
| * mpt cnat tpye | 09:21 | |
| wgrant | mpt: Note that there is a page or two that needs the help tab... | 09:25 |
| wgrant | (there's a bug on one of them) | 09:25 |
| mpt | There are pages that need help | 09:26 |
| mpt | We have a better way to provide that help now | 09:27 |
| wgrant | Oh? | 09:27 |
| mpt | thumper? | 09:41 |
| thumper | mpt: sorry, had to get rid of the in-laws | 09:51 |
| thumper | mpt: call? | 09:51 |
| mpt | thumper, yep, shall I call you or vice versa? | 09:52 |
| thumper | mpt: I'll call you again | 09:52 |
| mpt | ok | 09:52 |
| huno | hi there, got a couple of projects registered with LP that I'd like to remove, anyone up to help me? :) | 11:09 |
| kiko-zzz | huno, yeah, just ask a question (see topic) | 11:10 |
| huno | kiko-zzz: alright thx | 11:10 |
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| * Se7h need beta testers | 12:29 | |
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| bigon | is it possible that a buildd admin have a look at bug #217432 | 14:27 |
| bigon | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/217432 | 14:27 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: ^^ ? | 14:29 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: build records never created? | 14:29 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: well, IIRC, this is a arch-indep that doesn't build on i386 (go figure) and it's forbidden in P-a-s. | 14:32 |
| bigon | yeah | 14:32 |
| bigon | infinity said he will build it but never do it | 14:33 |
| persia | cprov: There are about 10 packages like that in Debian. Some ppc, some sparc | 14:33 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: soyuz don't support building arch-indep anywhere else than i386 | 14:33 |
| Hobbsee | true, yes. | 14:33 |
| * Hobbsee wonders why it doesn't get blacklisted or something then, until infinity does it | 14:33 | |
| * bigon wonder why infinity never do it :p | 14:35 | |
| cprov | yes, you have to *deal* with it for now ... building arch-indep in other archs it in our list, but very near the end :( | 14:35 |
| bigon | :( | 14:36 |
| cprov | bigon: keep pinging, it's the only think I can suggest, sorry. | 14:36 |
| cprov | bigon: well, there is also "Fix the source", but it sounds pretty vague at this point :) | 14:37 |
| persia | cprov: For some sources, it's simply not possible. | 14:37 |
| cprov | I know. | 14:38 |
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| idle_ | Hi there | 15:08 |
| idle_ | I need help with registering new country for Translation of Ubuntu | 15:08 |
| idle_ | How I can add register new country / language which is not on list | 15:09 |
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| idle_ | How I can add new country / language which is not on list on launchpad translation ? | 15:17 |
| matsubara | danilos: ^ | 15:18 |
| persia | idle_: People tend to idle here. No need to repeat yourself so often. | 15:18 |
| idle_ | sorry | 15:18 |
| matsubara | idle_: you can ask a question in http://answers.launchpad.net/rosetta as well. | 15:19 |
| idle_ | ok , I will check it | 15:20 |
| danilos | idle_: you need an ISO 3166 language code for the country, or ISO 639 code for language first | 15:41 |
| idle_ | Hi Danilos , I just found that for my langugae ( Montenegrian ) I need to use something like this sr@jekavian | 15:46 |
| idle_ | Its "jekavica" we use in Montenegro | 15:46 |
| idle_ | But donno how to be sure that translation will be implemented in the script | 15:47 |
| idle_ | and I made request for adding Montenegro code for ISO , like 1 month ago , but still nothing | 15:49 |
| danilos | zdravo idle_ :) | 15:53 |
| idle_ | Pozdrav :) | 15:54 |
| danilos | idle_: anyway, at the moment we don't support language variants (unfortunately) | 15:54 |
| danilos | idle_: GNOME Serbian team (which I am a leader of :) has started Serbian Jekavian translations earlier in GNOME directly, though | 15:55 |
| idle_ | ok , but still I can register ME ? | 15:55 |
| idle_ | aha | 15:55 |
| danilos | idle_: ME should be among the countries | 15:55 |
| idle_ | Not yet :( | 15:55 |
| danilos | idle_: I've added both Serbia and Montenegro once they split up | 15:55 |
| idle_ | I'm still not able to see Montenegro | 15:56 |
| danilos | idle_: where are you looking? (i.e. we have it internally in Launchpad country table, and it's shown that Serbian is spoken in Montenegro: https://translations.launchpad.net/+languages/sr) | 15:57 |
| danilos | idle_: you can also see locale (one I created a few years back as Jekavian one) on your system as /usr/share/i18n/locales/sr_ME | 15:58 |
| idle_ | I understand , but for example there is Bosnian ( but still register under Serbian ) | 16:00 |
| thekorn | hi, is it just me, or is the codebrowse (bazaar.launchpad.net) down today? | 16:10 |
| Peng | code.lp seems slow too. | 16:11 |
| Peng | ish | 16:11 |
| Peng | And yeah, codebrowse seems down. | 16:12 |
| beuno | abentley, can you restart Loggerhead on LP? | 16:13 |
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| abentley | beuno: No, I'm not empowered to do that. | 16:14 |
| beuno | argh, mwhudson_ won't be up for a few hours... who else can do that? | 16:14 |
| abentley | I could ask mthaddon for you, I guess. | 16:15 |
| beuno | well, for me and for the rest of the people trying to get in... :) | 16:15 |
| mthaddon | will restart codebrowse (just got an alert about it) | 16:16 |
| beuno | thanks mthaddon | 16:16 |
| beuno | I hope the latest changes done to it will make this less frequent... | 16:16 |
| mthaddon | me too :) | 16:17 |
| abentley | mwhudson_ seems very positive about those changes. | 16:17 |
| mthaddon | ok, should be back now | 16:17 |
| beuno | the new branch uses 1/6th of the RAM, so that should help | 16:18 |
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| thekorn | hmm, Loggerhead seems to be down for me again | 16:55 |
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| tseliot | kiko: Is what I asked here doable? https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/35794 | 18:19 |
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| === mwhudson__ is now known as mwhudson | ||
| mrevell | Meeting time in #launchpad-meeting! | 19:05 |
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| nDuff | Re the initial/provisional OpenID support -- is that provider-only or consumer as well? | 20:12 |
| nDuff | ...hrm, provider-only. | 20:13 |
| * nDuff (with his 2-factor authentication token and browser plugin tracking OpenID status and preventing spoofing) is disappointed. | 20:15 | |
| beuno | nDuff, AFAIK, LP doesn't accept OpenID yet | 20:17 |
| beuno | so only provider | 20:17 |
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| doctormo | I'm having serious issues with openid and launchpad, it seems that every https request just brings back the "Launchpad Login Service" welcome page, even when I follow to openid 2.0 proc | 22:11 |
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| Falken | Hi, quick question, host can I link to another bug in a comment , in a classy way ? | 22:24 |
| Falken | something like [[http://launchpad.net/stuff|bug #3333]] should work ? | 22:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 3333 in malone "BugTaskSearchParams + IBugTarget.searchTasks == IConfusion" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/3333 | 22:25 |
| Falken | arf | 22:25 |
| mwhudson | Falken: 'bug 3333' will become a link to the bug | 22:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 3333 in malone "BugTaskSearchParams + IBugTarget.searchTasks == IConfusion" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/3333 | 22:27 |
| mwhudson | ubottu: shut it, you | 22:27 |
| ubottu | Factoid shut it, you not found | 22:27 |
| mwhudson | :) | 22:27 |
| doctormo | let me know when jamesh comes in | 22:28 |
| Falken | oh great ! as simple as this | 22:28 |
| Falken | thank you mwhudson | 22:28 |
| mwhudson | :) | 22:28 |
| mwhudson | there's no other markup done to speak of | 22:28 |
| mwhudson | (well, i think cves might get linkified too) | 22:29 |
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| Peng | Why doesn't bazaar.lp offer https? | 23:03 |
| Peng | Sure, there's bzr+ssh, but when the rest of the site uses https, why not? | 23:03 |
| lifeless | Peng: its a performance bug that the entire lp site uses https | 23:08 |
| Peng | Heh. | 23:08 |
| lifeless | Peng: we'd like to make it https for security related content, and http for other things, to be faster | 23:08 |
| persia | lifeless: Why is that hard? | 23:08 |
| lifeless | persia: I didn't say anything about difficulty :) | 23:08 |
| Peng | I like it erring on the side of security. | 23:08 |
| beuno | viewing people's LP user page in https is useful to get their SSH and GPG keys | 23:09 |
| lifeless | Peng: indeed, and so do I. However, let me hit a bug - 1 minute | 23:09 |
| lifeless | 15 seconds to render https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/loggerhead/+bug/240504, from an existing browser session (so I have css and javascript already in memory) | 23:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 240504 in loggerhead "Should not generate revisioned URLs unless specifically needed (dup-of: 187205)" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 23:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 187205 in loggerhead "Ability to view changes by specifying path/revno combination" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 23:10 |
| Peng | Loggerhead's slowness has to do with https? | 23:10 |
| lifeless | Peng: I'm talking about launchpad, not lh | 23:11 |
| lifeless | Peng: it was just a lh bug I used to demo | 23:11 |
| Peng | Oh. | 23:11 |
| lifeless | beuno: right, not all things are candidates to be http | 23:11 |
| Peng | Still, why no https for bazaar.launchpad.net? | 23:11 |
| lifeless | beuno: but should the projects listing really be https? | 23:11 |
| lifeless | Peng: well, I guess we could, but why? | 23:12 |
| mwhudson | Peng: all branches served by LH are publically available, what would be the point? | 23:12 |
| mwhudson | apart from annoying all of us with 300ms ping to london | 23:12 |
| Peng | The main point would be "everything else uses https". | 23:13 |
| elmo | mwhudson: authentication for free | 23:13 |
| beuno | lifeless, not if it consumes more resources, no. It's nice to know there aren't any man-in-the-middle attacks on LP though | 23:13 |
| Peng | Also, a mitm against a bzr repo would be a problem. | 23:13 |
| elmo | well, for very dubious/broken values of 'free' | 23:13 |
| Peng | (Though bzr doesn't verify ssl certs anyway, ideally it would.) | 23:14 |
| lifeless | elmo: and dubious values of authentication | 23:14 |
| mwhudson | elmo: errrrr | 23:14 |
| mwhudson | L*H* not L*P* | 23:14 |
| elmo | oh, LH | 23:14 |
| elmo | meh | 23:14 |
| mwhudson | but well yes, not free | 23:14 |
| mwhudson | we should make all the foundations team move to .au or .nz for a while | 23:15 |
| elmo | or hackberry | 23:15 |
| mwhudson | a 10000 km data centre move can't be that hard, can it? | 23:15 |
| lifeless | its probably easier to buy a single machine here | 23:20 |
| lifeless | but its unfair to some users | 23:20 |
| lifeless | so - I propose MoonCentre | 23:20 |
| lifeless | to be approximately as hard for everyone. | 23:20 |
| lifeless | might be a bit of a commute for elmo | 23:20 |
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