[00:00] <sectech> bdmurray,  I can only assume it was discussed...  but it seems a "critical" bug or a "high" importance bug can have more then one meaning
[00:01] <sectech> Ex:  Bug-control:  "Critical" = "A bug which has a severe impact on a large portion of Ubuntu users "   Developers= "Critical = Application is critical to be released in next cycle"
[00:02] <bdmurray> What you are talking about was not discussed at UDS.  Do you have an example of the latter?
[00:03] <sectech> Hmm... let me look...  cody only gave me  one bug (not sure if that was an example of what he was talking about though)
[00:05] <sectech> I don't have the link anymore...
[00:05] <sectech> I closed my browser.
[00:05] <james_w> all I head was one mention of this in one session about something else
[00:05] <james_w> Universe QA I think
[00:05] <emma> Hi everyone.
[00:05] <james_w> well, something like this at least
[00:06] <bdmurray> There was some discussion regarding changing the definition of importance and milestone and release targetting, but not different uses of importance.
[00:07] <emma> I experience bug #193578 . Can someone advise me on how I can best add to what has already been said or otherwise inform me on the best way to increase awareness of this bug?
[00:07] <sectech> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/232364
[00:07] <james_w> sectech: that's cody's bug?
[00:08] <sectech> yes
[00:08] <james_w> and what's the problem with it?
[00:08] <sectech> Now the importance could actually be accurate (I haven't verified) but that was an example he gave me
[00:09] <sectech> bdmurray,  I was told it wasn't "official" yet,  I only assumed they were working on it with you
[00:09] <james_w> well, the problem with that bug is that he's not sure which component the problem is in yet.
[00:11] <sectech> seems a little odd it's at confirmed high if he doesn't know what component the problem is in.... But I think he was trying to show me that there was a milestone attached to it...
[00:12] <james_w> I'm never sure how to find milestones on bugs
[00:12] <sectech> You have to click on the status ... it will be right beside the importance
[00:13] <james_w> the problem looks like it's in xcb, but perhaps not, as xcb is waiting on X, but maybe X is waiting as xcb did something wrong, or perhaps dbus triggered a race by setting something up wrong before starting calling xcb.
[00:13] <james_w> ah yeah, thanks.
[00:14] <sectech> If I was going by what cody said though.... and I didn't know that they have a different meaning for their status.... then I might mistakenly fix it so it conforms to our guidelines (although this bug is pretty well documented, so I wouldn't touch it)
[00:15] <james_w> what I heard at UDS was that Critical means critical for the distribution as a whole, and so packages in Universe can't really attain this.
[00:15] <sectech> and xubuntu packages are primarily in Universe
[00:15] <james_w> and if this just affects Xubuntu then I guess it might be the case there as well, even though this is dbus/xcb/X/whatever.
[00:16] <bdmurray> That's what it used to mean.  However, the release manager now uses milestones and release targets to identify bugs that are criticial for a release.  So importance should be adjusted to reflect the importance for the package the bug affects.
[00:16] <bdmurray> With that change more bugs could be high and critical.
[00:17] <bdmurray> sectech: Does that help clarify things?
[00:18] <sectech> I understand now that if there is a milestone attached then the situation is different....
[00:18] <james_w> bdmurray: that's exactly what I think should be the case.
[00:19] <bdmurray> sectech: the milestone is another way of reflecting the importance of the bug
[00:19] <james_w> bdmurray: I think there's confusion over it though, should we start a discussion in the appropriate places about this?
[00:19] <bdmurray> james_w: yes, one thing I get worried about sometimes is having too many discussions at once though
[00:19] <sectech> bdmurray,  Was this a UDS thing? or is this me being a newbie to bug-control thing?
[00:20] <james_w> bdmurray: sure, no rush.
[00:20] <sectech> (If I ever admit I understand everything then demote me)
[00:20] <bdmurray> sectech: this was discussed in some session at UDS but nothing has happened yet
[00:21] <sectech> ahh but it has... in #xubuntu-devel I got the impression they already implemented this...
[00:21] <bdmurray> emma: Are you still with us?
[00:21] <jose__> james_w thanks for your time. Cheers
[00:21] <emma> bdmurray: I am.
[00:21] <emma> bdmurray: I'm going to be here forever :)
[00:22] <james_w> jose__: no problem, it's late now, I'll clean up the bug reports tomorrow. Did you manage to get it uninstalled?
[00:23] <bdmurray> emma: with regards to that bug report you could add your kernel version and specific package versions to the bug report via 'apt-cache policy rhythmbox' as opposed to rhythmbox --version
[00:23] <emma> bdmurray: okay thank you I will do that.
[00:23] <jose__> no i didnt manage to uninstall it. seems that i will need to reinstall the ubuntu
[00:23] <bdmurray> sectech: hmmm, I'll send mail about bug importance this week probably then
[00:24] <sectech> okay...
[00:24] <james_w> jose__: you don't need to reinstall
[00:25] <wgrant> txwikinger: Please don't mark bugs about new upstream releases as needs-packaging.
[00:25] <jose__> i tried purge, remove, dpkg --force-all -i to the package and rm  the package itself and nothing
[00:25] <txwikinger> wgrant: ok... how should I mark them?
[00:26] <wgrant> txwikinger: Tag them as upgrade. That's all.
[00:26] <txwikinger> ok.. will do from now on... thanks
[00:26] <txwikinger> I will have a look through the ones I did to do corrections
[00:27] <wgrant> txwikinger: Thanks. I've already correct two.
[00:28] <txwikinger> thanks wgrant... sorry for the inconvenience
[00:29] <james_w> jose__: try editing "/var/lib/dpkg/info/education-mathematics.postrm" and removing any line that has "/usr/sbin/cdd-update-menus" on it.
[00:29] <emma> bdmurray: I have just discovered I can also reproduce this bug with mplayer.
[00:29] <james_w> jose__: then run "dpkg --purge education-mathematics"
[00:30] <bdmurray> emma: is that just with internet radio stations or local files too?
[00:31] <emma> bdmurray: playing a local file.
[00:32] <bdmurray> emma: that would be good to add to the bug report also
[00:32] <emma> bdmurray: will do. Should I also submit a bug report under the mplayer package? Or perhaps there is a better package yet?
[00:34] <bdmurray> emma: if anything making it also affect the mplayer package instead of opening a new bug would be best.  However, I'm not convinced it is an issue with mplayer or rhythmbox
[00:34] <emma> bdmurray: I don't think that the problem is related to rhythmbox or mplayer since I can make it happen in both. I wonder if it is xorg using too much resources durring a fast scroll.
[00:34] <bdmurray> emma: in that case perhaps trying it when viewing a document instead of using firefox would be a good test
[00:37] <emma> bdmurray: I was able to reproduce the bug symptoms while playing a local file with Rhythmbox and using the scroll wheel to quickly scroll through a long .txt file in gedit.
[00:38] <bdmurray> emma: great!  This is all very valuable information.
[00:39] <emma> bdmurray: that's wonderful that's the reason I'm here :)
[00:42] <james_w> what's a good way to make the kernel do loads of CPU work for a short time?
[00:42] <james_w> or IO work?
[00:43] <james_w> you could use those to see if you can trigger it from that, and if not then it's probably X related.
[00:45] <emma> bdmurray: I'm new to the process and want to learn how to make the best bug reports. I am an ubuntu beginner and I don't yet have an advanced technical understanding of Ubuntu but I think I might be able to learn how to help with bugs! :D
[00:46] <bdmurray> emma: That's great!  We welcome your assistance and are happy to help you with any questions you might have.  Working with bugs is a great way to help make Ubuntu even better!
[00:46] <emma> bdmurray: you can't imagine how happy I am right now :)
[00:49] <jose__> james_w calculate the number pi?
[00:51] <calc> james_w: cpuburn?
[00:54] <jose__> james_w: after editing the "/var/lib/dpkg/info/education-mathematics.postrm" and removing any line that has "/usr/sbin/cdd-update-menus", continues, given me the next error, after trying to purge it: jose@jose-laptop:~$ sudo dpkg --purge  education-mathematics
[00:54] <jose__> dpkg: error processing education-mathematics (--purge):
[00:54] <jose__>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal
[01:00] <emma> bdmurray: In light of the fact that I can reproduce the symptoms of this bug using local files in gedit and in firefox, with rhythmbox and with mplayer, I wonder if perhaps this bug was filed in the wrong package? What is your best suggestion for how I could help in this case?
[01:02] <bdmurray> emma: using top might help identify the application using lots of cpu
[01:02] <emma> I have it open right now. To me it seems like xorg.
[01:04] <bdmurray> emma: okay, in which case we could make the bug also affect the xorg package
[01:05] <emma> bdmurray: while scrolling fast I can make xorg go up and ove 50 percent CPU in top.
[01:05] <emma> (but I am not sure at all if this is unusual or not)
[01:06] <ogra> youre probably a fast scroller :)
[01:07] <emma> I am scrolling very fast. And it requires more intense scrolling to reproduce the effect in mplayer than in rythmbox.
[01:07] <bdmurray> I've tried scrolling as fast as I can without any problems
[01:08] <bdmurray> oh hey, the CPU usage for xorg does jump when scrolling fast
[01:08] <bdmurray> it just doesn't negatively effect anything
[01:08] <emma> Use rhythmbox, it seems more sensitive, and use a very long page in firefox.
[01:08] <ogra> indeed it does, it renders ...
[01:10] <emma> I also have a roller ball which may result in unusually fast scrolling?
[01:11] <ogra> well, i ws rather joking above ... but a trckball is indeed a bit different in speed if you just kic it
[01:11] <LimCore> btw fire fox totally sucks about zooming
[01:11] <LimCore> in fire fox, press ctrl++ or ctrl+- to zoom == 100% cpu usage for several seconds (wtf)
[01:12] <emma> But to be fair, while using rhythmbox and firefox, typically one need not do anything that seems extreme or unusual to produce the stuttering in the music. That is to say, it seems to disrupt the music durring what would seem to be common and normal usage.
[01:13] <emma> I'm not sure why some people experience it and some don't. Maybe you have faster computers? I have an Athlon AMD 3500+ and 1 GB of RAM.
[01:13]  * ogra doesnt have that and uses RB daily hle working (so with around 40-50 FF tabs open and even scrolling one or the other)
[01:13] <ogra> s/hle/while/
[01:14] <ogra> this is on a laptop with a core duo 1.6GHz and 3G ram ...
[01:14] <ogra> seems specific to 64bit
[01:14] <emma> I'm not running the 64 bit Ubuntu though.
[01:14] <emma> Although I would not be surprised if having core duo helps. I don't have that.
[01:15] <ogra> wht about your graphics HW ? that info would likely be helpful from everyone on the bug
[01:15] <ogra> *what
[01:15] <emma> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G Series]
[01:15] <ogra> well, rather the 3G RAM :)
[01:16] <ogra> well, put that info on the bug and ask the other commenters for the same info, i think it looks suspiciously like a graphics driver issue (just a gut feeling though)
[01:16] <emma> I'd like to say, guys, that I appreciate the consideration, but I don't want to be distracting either, my aim is not to fix this for myself. My aim is to report the bug in the best way for everyone.
[01:17] <emma> Okay ogra I will do that :)
[03:34] <window_> folks, any idea if u can manually update drivers?
[03:39] <persia> window_: You can, but it's painful, and not supported.
[03:40] <window_> darn
[03:41] <window_> i'm having trouble with my 8193 ethernet card, it seems to all work fine for say 30 minutes, then it reverts to some sort of default settings, if i set it back 10 minutes later it will say "f u" and go back again, then in 5 minutes, then 2 then suddenly i have to set it back every time i click a link
[08:22] <Balachmar> Hi, I want to help out fixing a bug related to a wireless card of mine that is not working correctly
[08:23] <persia> Balachmar: Great.  First, do you understand the bug?
[08:25] <Balachmar> persia: No, all I know that with previous versions of ubuntu the wireless card worked and now it doesn't. Well it is recognized and it is able to connect and get an ip, but after like 30 seconds it doesn't work anymore. But it still has its ip.
[08:25] <Balachmar> This is the mentioned bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/225851
[08:26] <persia> Balachmar: Hmm.  There are two ways to track that down.  You can chase different kernel/driver versions, or you can chase the codepath for the one that doesn't work.
[08:26] <persia> Which sounds like a better match to the way you think?
[08:27] <Balachmar> different kernel/driver versions is installing different kernel versions from the repo, right? Because the driver is included in the kernel.
[08:28] <Balachmar> What would chasing the codepath mean?
[08:30] <persia> Balachmar: If you're trying different kernel versions, you'll likely want to get deeper than just different ones from the repositories, and would end up building test kernels to try things.  I think it takes 20 iterations or so to identify a specific change that causes a problem.
[08:31] <persia> Chasing the code path would be to run in kernel debugging mode and follow the changes in state as they happen, attempting to determine where it gets confused.
[08:32] <Balachmar> ok, the last one sounds like the best/most difficult one
[08:32] <Balachmar> But I am willing to attempt that
[08:32] <persia> There is also the possibility that this is a problem with some other software (e.g. network-manager).  Before digging into the kernel, it's likely best to try a variety of tools to configure your wireless connection: if they all behave the same, it's the kernel.  If they behave differently, it's the application you use.
[08:32] <persia> Balachmar: Being most difficult doesn't make it best.  Both are equally good.  If you think the first is easier, I'll get you a URL...
[08:33] <Balachmar> Well, the last one sounds a bit more targeted, so I like that one best
[08:34] <Balachmar> But I will try wicd as a wireless manager first, I have installed that on a different machine, so I have a bit of experience with that
[08:35] <persia> Balachmar: Sounds good.  If you can't find it in your applications, ask in #ubuntu-kernel for help running with a kernel debugger.
[08:36] <Balachmar> ok will do! thanks persia
[08:36] <persia> You may well find that if you can describe the problem clearly enough, with a simple test case, the kernel folk will understand it before you get too deep.
[08:38] <Balachmar> mmm, I see there is a new kernel out there, first try that one
[09:03] <Balachmar> hey persia it seems to be a network-manager problem, because so far wicd seems to work
[09:04] <persia> Balachmar: Excellent.  You've narrowed it down to somehting more traceable.
[09:04] <persia> I'd recommend looking through the existing network-manager bugs next, as someone else might have reported it, and the discussion might give you insight into the nature of the problem.
[09:04] <Balachmar> persia: what is the next step?
[09:04] <Balachmar> :) thanks
[09:07] <Balachmar> I do see that it dropped out just now, but immediately reconnected
[09:08] <Balachmar> But I don't know, maybe that is normal for a wireless connection...
[09:17] <Balachmar> hmmm, I don't see any bug reports on a similar problem with either network-manager or network Manager GNOME
[09:33] <persia> Balachmar: OK.  You'll want to file a new one then, with as much information as you can gather.
[10:22] <ruiboon> hi. for kernel bugs that has been fixed upstream, do we mark such bugs as fix released?
[10:27] <ruiboon> ah.. missed out this part in the wiki. this should be mark as fix committed as it has been committed to git. thanks
[10:47] <askand> Hello, is any help needed to merge packages from debian? I noticed there is a lot of those requests..
[10:50] <james_w> askand: hi, yes, help is needed.
[10:50] <james_w> askand: are you familiar with the process?
[10:51] <askand> ﻿james_w:  no but eager to learn :)
[10:51] <james_w> askand: if you would like to join #ubuntu-motu then I can lead you through the process.
[10:52] <askand> sure
[13:29] <pedro_> quick reminder, today is GNOME Power Manager hug day -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080619
[13:30] <pedro_> feel free to grab any bug out of the list
[14:27] <sectech> I'll certainly try... I don't know too much about power management
[14:54] <ruiboon> is there a need to mark bug 241276 as wishlist? upstream (mozilla) has already marked theirs as enhancement
[14:58] <Rioting_pacifist> Ive found what i think isth ubuntu/kubuntu quite a bad bug for kubuntu systems, but itsstill marked as new could anybody wi test & confirm it
[15:00] <Hobbsee> Rioting_pacifist: my psychic powers are failing.  there are many bugs in the bugtracker.
[15:00] <Hobbsee> try giving a bug number.
[15:01] <Rioting_pacifist> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/240472
[15:01] <afflux> Hobbsee: pah, try improving your psychic powers!!
[15:01] <Hobbsee> afflux: my psychic pony left :(
[15:02] <afflux> uh..
[15:02] <Rioting_pacifist> i think i probably filed it badely but basically firefox on a kubuntu breaks if a couple of packages are installed
[15:02] <Hobbsee> ...arts?
[15:02] <Rioting_pacifist> no libbonoboui2-0/libgnomeui-0
[15:03] <Hobbsee> as in, it breaks when they're not installed?
[15:03] <Rioting_pacifist> no when they are installed
[15:04] <Hobbsee> hm
[15:05] <Hobbsee> asac: any idea?
[15:07] <asac> Hobbsee: most likely runs an upstream 32bit build on amd64
[15:08] <asac> hmm
[15:08] <asac> (npviewer.bin:11487): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libqtengine.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
[15:08] <asac> those are because the engine is not in ia32-libs
[15:08] <asac> dont think that this causes it
[15:09] <asac> otherwise it might be libgconf installed while no gconfd is running and causing timeout issues
[15:09]  * asac off for a while
[15:13] <sparticus> is this where i can report/ask help regarding bugs in ubuntu 8.04lts?
[15:13] <seb128> asac: no reason why that should happen, gconfd is autospawned when required
[15:16] <techno_freak> sparticus, we aren't ubuntu support channel, but if you suspect a bug and want to know whether it is or how to report it properly, we will be happy to help you :)
[15:18] <sparticus> ok well let me describe my problem and you can tell me where i belong. I have been running ubuntu 7.10 great on my computer and then i upgraded to ubuntu 8.04lts and after the install i restarted and get the following error/prompt BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu12) Built-in shell (ash)
[15:18] <sparticus> Enter "help" for a list of built-in commands.
[15:19] <sparticus> if i download and put in the 8.04 install cd i get that error and then i get this ontop of it... (initramfs) [   361.150671] 8139cp 0000:04:05.0:  This (id 10ec:8139 rev 10) is not an 8139+ compatible chip
[15:19] <sparticus> [   361.150714] 8139cp 0000:04:05.0: Try the "8139too" driver instead.
[15:20] <sparticus> so idk if this is a bug or not but it sure seams like it to me. i looked around on a few forums and some people are having simular problems. I really apreciate your help
[15:25] <techno_freak> sparticus, when you boot you can see "Press Esc to edit menu", get to the menu, press 'e' to edit it, go to the kernel line where root=/dev/hda or something like that is there
[15:26] <techno_freak> sparticus, you will something like root= ro splash quiet, and if in the same line you have another 'root=<something>' at the end, delete that root= thing, now press enter and b to boot, you problem should be fixed
[15:26] <techno_freak> sparticus, you will something like root= ro splash quiet, and if in the same line you have another 'root=<something>' at the end, delete that root= thing, now press enter and b to boot, you problem should be fixed
[15:27] <techno_freak> sparticus, if this works, then boot and go to /boot/grub/menu.list and edit there for permanent solution
[15:28] <sparticus> techno_freak, ok ill give it a try... i have to hook it up a minute atm im on my laptop, thxs for the help ill let you know if it works
[15:29] <techno_freak> sparticus, if what i said works, i would like you to file a bug, more on that when you get back :)
[15:31] <Rioting_pacifist> asac: sorry had to run off and do something i am running 64bit(from repos) on amd64, i went through removing all packages that got installed with <some program> until i found the package that when installed caused it & removed removed it, but it may be a dependancy of that package i didnt realise was being added/removed
[15:32] <sparticus> techno_freak, sounds good. I'm at work and i have to go connect my linux box to a kv switch so i may be out for 20 min are you still going to be around?
[15:32] <techno_freak> sparticus, sure for few more hours :) just ping me when you are ready
[15:33] <sparticus> techno_freak, ok will do
[15:53] <sparticus89> techno_freak, ping
[15:57] <sparticus89> techno_freak, i lost connection for a second so i got assigned a new name, any how, there is nothing after the ro splash quite... i did notice in grub that there are two diffrent kernals they both state that they will load ubuntu 8.04 the newest one is 2.6.24-19-generic and it is the one that is giving me problems but the older one 2.6.22-14 does load ubuntu
[15:59] <techno_freak> sparticus, can you pastebin your menu.list somewhere?
[15:59] <techno_freak> sparticus89, ^^
[16:00] <sparticus89> techno_freak, yea it will take a minute i have to boot into the old kernal and then email to my windowsbox and then copy past it in
[16:03] <techno_freak> ok
[16:04] <sparticus89> techno_freak, also i don't know if this helpts but i ran recovery mode and i got this... check root - bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev AlERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/c3c46515-0416-4264-a75c-1f81fc17fc24 does not exist. droppinng to a shell! Busy box...(and so on and so forth)
[16:04] <sparticus89> techno_freak, ok working on the menu.lst
[16:32] <sparticus89> techno_freak, sorry for the delay i had a power issue
[16:32] <sparticus89> techno_freak, just about done
[16:32] <techno_freak> ok
[16:40] <sparticus89> techno_freak, i apreaciate your patience if i was home this would be faster but at work it's all older equipment so my stuff has trouble using it
[16:41] <techno_freak> no problemo :)
[16:47] <sparticus89> techno_freak, do you want me to copy past it in?
[16:47] <techno_freak> sparticus89, not here, in a pastebin
[16:48] <sparticus89> techno_freak, how do i do that?
[16:48] <Pici> !paste
[16:49] <sparticus89> http://paste.ubuntu.com/21427/
[16:50] <sparticus89> techno_freak, i think that did it
[16:51] <techno_freak> ok, let me see
[16:53] <techno_freak> sparticus89, looks ok to me, if you remove quiet and splash from the line and try to boot, it will show you things on screen and you can find where arises the problem
[16:54] <techno_freak> one was reporting a similar problem yesterday, with a fresh install hardy, but it seemed to have a messed up kernel line
[16:54] <bdmurray> pedro_: hi, somebody wants to renew in desktop bugs
[16:54] <bdmurray> pedro_: what is the policy for that?
[16:54] <pedro_> bdmurray: there's no policy for that, it's an open team ;-)
[16:54] <sparticus89> techno_freak, ok ill give it a shot
[16:55] <bdmurray> Launchpad should really give better messages about that then.
[16:55] <bdmurray> Like you can renew it yourself by...
[16:55] <james_w> it does in the email
[16:55] <bdmurray> Okay, people should take critical reading classes then
[16:56] <bdmurray> Granted I missed it too the other week
[16:59] <sparticus89> techno_freak, ok i got the same message as i posted above about the dropping to shell, then i get the busybox initramfs promp
[17:00] <techno_freak> hmmm
[17:00] <techno_freak> sparticus89, it works with the older kernel?
[17:01] <techno_freak> sparticus89, and in the safe mode of the new kernel?
[17:01] <sparticus89> techno_freak, yea it does
[17:02] <techno_freak> sparticus89, backup the menu.list and try reinstalling grub
[17:03] <sparticus89> techno_freak, ok give me like 4 min to do that
[17:03] <techno_freak> sparticus89, take your own time :)
[17:07] <sparticus89> techno_freak, will i boot back up it's worth mentioning that if i put in the 8.04 install disc i get the same error as i do with the new kernal thats what makes me think it is a kernal issue becuase the old one boots fine and the new one doesn't weather its the live cd or on my system
[17:07] <sparticus89> while*
[17:08] <techno_freak> sparticus89, you mean 8.04 live CD?
[17:08] <techno_freak> sparticus89, and how did you upgrade?
[17:09] <sparticus89> techno_freak, yea
[17:09] <pedro_> hey Iulian!
[17:09] <sparticus89> techno_freak, i was running 7.10 and it said there was a new distribution would you like to upgrade? in the update mannager
[17:09] <techno_freak> now i need to find the person who told me the same yesterday and make him confirm your bug
[17:09] <sparticus89> techno_freak, so when that didn't work i downloaded the new live cd to try and install it that way and i get the same busybox prompt
[17:10] <techno_freak> sparticus89, if you say that the error occurs in the live CD, can you file a bug on that? i have some one who encountered the same with a fresh install
[17:10] <sparticus89> techno_freak, i would be happy to.
[17:11] <sparticus89> techno_freak, what would you like me to title the bug report? so you can find it easily
[17:12] <techno_freak> something like .. "fresh install of 8.04 doesn't boot, ends in busybox prompt"
[17:13] <sparticus89> techno_freak, will do should i also include information about it doing the same thing after the upgrade?
[17:13] <bdmurray> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelBoot
[17:13] <techno_freak> sparticus89, sure, would be fine even if you add it as a separate comment
[17:15] <sparticus89> techo_freak, could you post the url to the page i need im having trouble locating it
[17:16] <techno_freak> sparticus89, you need to file a new bug
[17:16] <techno_freak> sparticus89, in addition, refer https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeamBugPolicies and provide all information asked for
[17:17] <sparticus89> techno_freak, ok will do, does it email me when there are responces or fixes for my bug?
[17:17] <techno_freak> sparticus89, yes it does :)
[17:17] <sparticus89> techno_freak, ill ping you when im done to confirm that it has everything i needs.
[17:17] <techno_freak> sparticus89, it will also mail you when some one comments, especially when a triager asks for more info
[17:22] <sparticus89> techno_freak, when i do uname -a > uname-a.log i get no output and it says that this is somthing i need to include in the bug report
[17:22] <techno_freak> sparticus89, report the same in your bug report
[17:23] <sparticus89> techno_freak, ok will do
[17:23] <techno_freak> sparticus89, what does uname -a output?
[17:24] <techno_freak> sparticus89, am afraid you missed something bdmurray pointed you at - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelBoot
[17:24] <techno_freak> sparticus89, check the initramfs section
[17:25] <sparticus89> techno_freak, will do :)
[17:37] <sparticus89> techno_freak, almost done then i shall send you a link so you can tell me if i have missed something or should include somthing else?
[17:38] <techno_freak> sparticus89, just type `bug #`+number here
[17:38] <sparticus89> o ok
[17:45] <sparticus89> 241365 is the bug #
[17:45] <techno_freak> sparticus89, got it :already )
[17:45] <sparticus89> haha ok
[17:47] <techno_freak> sparticus89, that looks fine, expect to receive comments from other triagers sooner or later :)
[17:47] <sparticus89> techno_freak, thankyou for your time!
[17:47] <techno_freak> sparticus89, welcome :)
[18:53] <henninge> Can somebody please have a look at bug #241305?
[18:54] <henninge> This is the first bug im am triaging and I am quite sure that it should be set to invalid as it is not really a bug
[18:56] <henninge> Its importance was set to High because Patrick considered it a security vulnerablity which it is not, as I explained there
[19:23] <qense> bdmurray: my bugcontrol account is about to expire
[19:24] <bdmurray> qense: I fixed that yesterday
[19:24] <qense> I got an email at 4:15 AM UTC today that it's about toe xpire
[19:25] <bdmurray> Sense Hofstede    2008-03-19 12:08:23 PDT  2008-03-19    2009-06-18 17:00:00 PDT  2009-06-18   Approved
[19:25] <qense> weird
[19:27] <qense> maybe it's a bug in LP
[19:32] <heno> LP has been offline a bit lately for maintenance
[19:32] <heno> so there might be lag from that
[20:08] <Ienorand> Hello, I'm trying to 'clarify' bug #219584 a bit, and I am now thinking it should be filed against the network 'module' as well. Do you know what package that would be? Opinions on the bug is also welcome : )
[21:10] <Ienorand> ﻿Hello, I'm trying to 'clarify' bug #219584 a bit, and I am now thinking it should be filed against the network 'module' as well. Do you know what package that would be? Opinions on the bug is of course also welcome
[21:10] <calc> can someone more clued than me tell this user what to do?
[21:10] <calc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/237660
[21:10] <calc> last post
[21:12] <jibel> Ienorand: Hi, what makes you think this is a network issue ?
[21:13] <Ienorand> Because it is presumably during the reconfiguration of networks that the delay occurs (as described in bug)
[21:13] <jibel> Ienorand: regarding kern.log posted by arand this is not that obvious.
[21:13] <jibel> I think arand and brandon are facing 2 differents cases
[21:14] <Ienorand> ﻿jibel: But, I am only guessing here, oh and by the way I am Arand.
[21:14] <Ienorand> ﻿jibel: Yes, he has it every time and I only once, but it is similar....
[21:15] <jibel> Fine, ask brandon to attach lscpi, dmesg, ... If it's not the same hardware there's is a chance that's not the same bug
[21:16] <jibel> In his case, the network card is not ready during resume. This will appear in kern.log
[21:17] <jibel> In your case you've got a pb with acpi and another with usb.
[21:27] <Ienorand> ﻿jibel: I'm sorry, but I think this water might be a bit too deep for me, I'm not completely following you here (but that's probably what I get for whining in #ubu-bugs...). So I should ask him to provide more info, and maybe file separate bug...? And myself (Arand), can I do any more examination on this one?
[21:32] <jibel> Yes, please ask Brandon to provide the same information as the one you've attached. We'll see what to do when he'll have done so.
[21:35] <jibel> From your log files it's hard to guess what's the root cause. I need some time to dig deeper.
[21:41] <Ienorand> ﻿jibel: okay, cheers for taking your time \o/
[22:04] <jibel> Ienorand: I've added instructions to your bug report.
[22:06] <Ienorand> ﻿jibel: Thanks!
[23:09] <mardi_soir> hello
[23:09] <persia> mardi_soir: Hi
[23:09] <mardi_soir> i know an issue for a bugg
[23:09] <persia> Which bug?
[23:10] <mardi_soir> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/21502/     >      http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/21509/
[23:10] <mardi_soir> with SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN="gen" oowriter    it works
[23:10] <mardi_soir> according from a oo dev
[23:10] <mardi_soir> it is probably a bug from
[23:11] <mardi_soir> libgtk or libX11
[23:11] <persia> Hmm.  Have you looked that the existing bugs to see if that issue is reported?  If you could add your insight there, it may help towards resolution.
[23:11] <mardi_soir> yesterday it was not
[23:12] <mardi_soir> today i don't know
[23:12] <persia> mardi_soir: Might check again, but if it's not there, you'll want to file it.
[23:12] <mardi_soir> i m busy
[23:12] <persia> mardi_soir: You're not alone :)
[23:12] <mardi_soir> nut know you know it YOU TOO ;)
[23:13] <mardi_soir> but
[23:13] <mardi_soir> but now