| ion_ | I wonder why dictd was merged instead of synced. The changelog entry only says “Merge with Debian; remaining changes:”. | 00:12 |
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| persia | ion_: Does the debdiff say anything? Sometimes people grab from MoM and aren't careful with changelogs. | 00:14 |
| ion_ | persia: I didn’t take a better look, just happened to take a look at the changelog. | 00:15 |
| jcole | is there a reason why the dhcp3-client dpkg post install scripts dont finish? see here: | 00:19 |
| jcole | # ls /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf* | 00:19 |
| jcole | /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf | 00:19 |
| jcole | /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf.dpkg-dist | 00:19 |
| jcole | for every fresh install of hardy, i do "mv /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf.dpkg-dist /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf" | 00:20 |
| jcole | im using the alternate cd | 00:20 |
| jcole | btw | 00:20 |
| sjoerd | 00:21 | |
| lifeless | back | 00:21 |
| lifeless | mathiaz: so, can you join #launchpad ? | 00:21 |
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| jelmer | is there a bugtracker for ubuntu-dev-tools ? launchpad says it's not the bug tracker | 01:10 |
| persia | jelmer: https;//launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-dev-tools/+bugs | 01:11 |
| persia | (LP is sometimes a little confused about native packages) | 01:11 |
| jelmer | persia: ahh, ok. Thanks | 01:12 |
| emgent | some debian devel up here? | 02:21 |
| slangasek | yes, though there are more reliable places to look for them... :) | 02:23 |
| emgent | hehe :) | 02:25 |
| emgent | slangasek: possible query? :) | 02:25 |
| slangasek | ok | 02:25 |
| kirkland | slangasek: hiya, still around? | 03:29 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 06:14 |
| ion_ | Hi | 06:22 |
| dholbach | hey thekorn, hi ion_ | 06:33 |
| trivial | hello | 06:40 |
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| === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter | ||
| trivial | I have a problem "request to switch into FULLSCREEN mode failed: too dumb terminal 'xterm' (no cursor move capabilitie) | 06:45 |
| trivial | " in both Konsole and xterm how can I fix this? | 06:45 |
| pitti | Good morning | 06:47 |
| ion_ | Hi | 06:47 |
| pitti | ScottK: merge approvals are mostly a kind of educational measure to encourage people to get them done in time, AFAIUI | 06:48 |
| ScottK | Agreed. | 06:48 |
| ScottK | I just don't want to turn this into another bureacracy. | 06:49 |
| ScottK | Good morning. | 06:49 |
| trivial | I have a problem "request to switch into FULLSCREEN mode failed: too dumb terminal 'xterm' (no cursor move capabilitie) | 06:51 |
| trivial | " in both Konsole and xterm how can I fix this? | 06:51 |
| ion_ | Does it echo in here? | 06:51 |
| trivial | nobody knows? | 06:51 |
| trivial | hello.........hello............oooooooooo...... hello???????? | 06:51 |
| trivial | lol | 06:52 |
| ion_ | Please read the topic. | 06:52 |
| trivial | ok you guys develop ubuntu? | 06:52 |
| trivial | or is it developing applications to run on ubuntu? | 06:53 |
| pwnguin | develop ubuntu | 06:53 |
| thekorn | hello dholbach | 06:53 |
| trivial | sorry wrong link | 06:54 |
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| ScottK | slangasek: RE Bug 207473 - The user complaining the fix didn't help is using Gnome. Since it's a KDE fix, I think it's not suprising. | 07:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 207473 in kde-guidance "Screen brightness double level changes" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207473 | 07:46 |
| slangasek | ScottK: oh, heh | 07:48 |
| slangasek | so /all/ these people are following up to the wrong bug? :/ | 07:48 |
| slangasek | "Adam" doesn't mention GNOME or not | 07:48 |
| ScottK | Since it's a two part hal/guidance bug it wouldn't suprise me if there was a gnome impact. | 07:49 |
| ScottK | But it's the guidance bit that we have a fix for. | 07:49 |
| slangasek | right | 07:49 |
| slangasek | and have the affected users verified that the fix works? | 07:50 |
| ScottK | It should probably also affect some Gnome thing, but I've no idea on that. | 07:50 |
| slangasek | probably gnome-power-manager as a starting point, sure | 07:50 |
| ScottK | Sounds reasonable if it does brightness for Gnome. | 07:52 |
| ScottK | slangasek: It's not clear to me that there is a verification from someone who reported the exact original problem. It's also pretty clear that none of them are active in the bug either. | 07:53 |
| slangasek | mm, ok | 07:53 |
| ScottK | I can verify no regressions and it fixed some problems I was having that I hadn't actually reduced to a bug because I didn't understand it well enough yet. | 07:54 |
| * slangasek nods | 07:54 | |
| ScottK | My recommendation would be put it in hardy-updates. The problem isn't totally solved until Hal is fixed in any case and I'm confident this is better. | 07:55 |
| slangasek | ScottK: no verification on bugs 231163 or 82279 yet, either? | 08:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 231163 in kde-guidance "kde-guidance-powermanager: python2.5 crashed with AttributeError in checkBatteryCritical()" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/231163 | 08:02 |
| slangasek | oh, 82279 has been verified, n/m | 08:03 |
| slangasek | silly non-auto-refreshing reports | 08:03 |
| ScottK | slangasek: I'll make you a deal: if there's a regression found, I promise to take care of it if you go ahead and publish. | 08:07 |
| slangasek | ScottK: oh, well, I don't think we should be covered for regression-testing now that it's been in for 15 days, but whether I can close the bugs with confidence when copying it over is another question :) | 08:09 |
| slangasek | but yes, let's go ahead | 08:10 |
| slangasek | ivoks: hi, I had a question for you | 08:13 |
| ivoks | slangasek: sure | 08:13 |
| slangasek | ivoks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributionDefaultsAndBranding says that for Croatian, "Debianova, Debianove, Debianovu" are ok to replace in translations with just "Ubuntu" - is that right? | 08:14 |
| slangasek | it seems suspect to me that you would replace an adjective with a noun like that :) | 08:15 |
| ivoks | slangasek: eh, depends on circumstances... i'll take a look at it | 08:15 |
| slangasek | basically, this is the guide that gets used to mangle the debian-installer translations when doing merges | 08:15 |
| ivoks | in most cases you can just apply same rules | 08:16 |
| ivoks | but with Ubuntu is very hard, cause it ends with a vowel... | 08:16 |
| slangasek | so there wouldn't be an "Ubuntove" adjective form? | 08:16 |
| ivoks | so, Ubuntu's would be Ubuntuov, which soulds strange; 'In Ubuntu' is U Ubuntuu - very strange :D | 08:17 |
| slangasek | heh | 08:17 |
| soren | I like it! | 08:17 |
| soren | :) | 08:17 |
| slangasek | just cheat and claim that Ubuntu is the accusative form of "Ubunta" | 08:17 |
| slangasek | >:) | 08:17 |
| ivoks | slangasek: Ubuntuove sounds right | 08:17 |
| slangasek | ok | 08:18 |
| ivoks | like Ubuntu's web pages; Ubuntuove web stranice; that's for plural | 08:18 |
| slangasek | ah, so there's also precedent, excellent | 08:18 |
| ivoks | but Ubuntu's page; Ubuntu stranica | 08:18 |
| slangasek | yes, of course | 08:18 |
| ivoks | slangasek: i'll have to check each phrase... | 08:18 |
| ivoks | or someone from ubuntu-hr | 08:19 |
| slangasek | ivoks: well, it should never be /incorrect/ to do s/Debianov/Ubuntuov/, should it? | 08:19 |
| ivoks | it should be correct, right | 08:19 |
| LucidFox | seb128> I'm preparing to upload a new debdiff for the f-spot merge | 08:31 |
| seb128 | LucidFox: ah good, I was starting to wonder about this one ;-) | 08:31 |
| LucidFox | I've dropped the debian/copyright change, FSF address probably isn't big enough of an issue to diverge from Debian | 08:32 |
| LucidFox | and added the new patch from hardy-updates | 08:32 |
| seb128 | cool | 08:32 |
| seb128 | you can do the new version update too if you want ;-) | 08:32 |
| LucidFox | to 0.4.4? | 08:32 |
| slangasek | ivoks: fwiw, here's an example of what we have currently: | 08:33 |
| slangasek | -msgstr "Provjeravam Debianovu zrcalnu arhivu" | 08:33 |
| slangasek | +msgstr "Provjeravam Ubuntu zrcalnu arhivu" | 08:33 |
| slangasek | so. :) | 08:33 |
| LucidFox | I'd wait for Debian to update first, diocles has said he's going to upload it this weekend | 08:33 |
| seb128 | LucidFox: yes | 08:33 |
| seb128 | alright | 08:33 |
| seb128 | hey slangasek, thanks for accepting the sru uploads ;-) | 08:34 |
| slangasek | seb128: yep - thanks for uploading... :) | 08:34 |
| seb128 | things look good from my side for 8.04.1 | 08:34 |
| slangasek | excellent! | 08:34 |
| slangasek | because I don't want to have to approve any more uploads >:) | 08:35 |
| seb128 | right, those were already late | 08:35 |
| pitti | hi seb128; you pung last night, so that's settled now? | 08:36 |
| seb128 | the only remaining problem now is pulseaudio and the alsa update, right? | 08:36 |
| pitti | yeah :/ | 08:36 |
| seb128 | pitti: did I? | 08:36 |
| LucidFox | Uploaded to bug #226117 | 08:37 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 226117 in f-spot "Please merge f-spot 0.4.3.1-1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/226117 | 08:37 |
| seb128 | pitti: anyway that was probably for the sru uploads slangasek accepted so everything is fine now | 08:37 |
| seb128 | LucidFox: looking | 08:37 |
| pitti | seb128: right | 08:37 |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 08:38 | |
| * pitti hugs seb back | 08:38 | |
| ivoks | slangasek: that's ok :) (sorry, i was on the phone) | 08:41 |
| ivoks | slangasek: both 'Provjeravam Ubuntu zrcalnu arhivu' and 'Provjeravam Ubuntuovu zrcalnu arhivu' are ok, but the first one sounds better and is easier to pronounce | 08:42 |
| slangasek | ivoks: ok. well, if you can review my changes in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-core-dev/choose-mirror/ubuntu/ rev. 599, that'd be awesome; c.f. revision 486.1.526 which shows the branding changes vs. Debian's | 08:43 |
| ivoks | slangasek: i will | 08:43 |
| slangasek | and if you tell me to, I'll revert the changes, or whatever :) | 08:44 |
| ivoks | slangasek: ok :) | 08:44 |
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| slangasek | but it's ideal if we have something that can be applied mechanically, since usually that's how these branding changes have to be done | 08:44 |
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| slangasek | (it's interesting that you say "Ubuntu zrcalnu arhivu" sounds better; in Czech this construction sounds very strange to me) | 08:45 |
| ivoks | slangasek: in 'Ubuntu zrcalna arhiva', everything is object, and in 'Ubuntuova zrcalna arhiva' 'zrcalna arhiva' is object | 08:47 |
| ivoks | slangasek: meh... just drop 599 revision; it really sounds bad :D | 08:49 |
| slangasek | ok... :0 | 08:49 |
| ivoks | sorry | 08:49 |
| slangasek | :) | 08:49 |
| ivoks | slangasek: thanks for keeping an eye on it | 08:50 |
| slangasek | n/p | 08:51 |
| * slangasek still thinks Croatian's choices here are weird ;) | 08:51 | |
| ivoks | i'll take the blame if someone complains, i translated it like that in the first place in d-i | 08:52 |
| slangasek | actually, I think what really bothers me is that it's "Ubuntu zrcalnu arhivu" instead of "zrcalnu arhivu Ubuntu" | 08:52 |
| slangasek | but that's not a mechanical change :/ | 08:52 |
| slangasek | and may not even be the correct word order in Croatian, for all I know ;) | 08:53 |
| ivoks | ubuntuove sounds very czech and it's kind of normal there.. like krusovice | 08:53 |
| slangasek | heh :) | 08:53 |
| ivoks | slangasek: you have a point there | 08:53 |
| ivoks | zrcalna arhiva Ubuntua sounds very good | 08:53 |
| ivoks | hm... i'll crate a diff and send it to you, if needed | 08:54 |
| ivoks | ok? | 08:54 |
| slangasek | well, then we still have the difficulty of whether we can continue to maintain it? | 08:54 |
| ivoks | right... | 08:54 |
| slangasek | since it's then not a mechanical translation - one needs to understand the grammar enough to get the word order right | 08:54 |
| slangasek | so if the current is acceptable, we should probably just leave it alone | 08:55 |
| ivoks | sometimes i whish we all speek same language... | 08:55 |
| ivoks | current is ok | 08:55 |
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| pitti | kirkland: I reviewed your program, long answer in your mbox | 09:20 |
| MacSlow | question about PPAs: although I deleted packages from my PPA, trying to upload revised versions for another distro-series results in LP rejecting it, stating that "the source is already accepted in ubuntu/intrepid..." | 09:30 |
| MacSlow | What more than delete packages can I do? | 09:31 |
| MacSlow | Does LP still cache some info about previously uploaded (but now deleted) packages? | 09:31 |
| wgrant | MacSlow: You really don't want to do that. | 09:33 |
| wgrant | We bump versions for a reason. | 09:33 |
| wgrant | What are you trying to upload, though? | 09:33 |
| MacSlow | wgrant, my own version of upstream clutter & friends | 09:34 |
| wgrant | If anybody else ever uses your packages, they'll get confused to death if a version is in fact not the same as that same version. | 09:34 |
| MacSlow | well then | 09:35 |
| wgrant | Bumping to -0ubuntu3 won't kill anything, I'm sure. | 09:35 |
| MacSlow | ok... I admit I just wanted a fresh start for "cosmetic" reasons :) | 09:35 |
| ion_ | wgrant: Assuming Ubuntu has e.g. -0ubuntu1, better use something that’s -0ubuntu1 < x < -0ubuntu2, for instance -0ubuntu1.1 | 09:37 |
| wgrant | Ubuntu doesn't have -0ubuntu1, but you're right in that different versioning should be used. | 09:38 |
| wgrant | Security versioning is not the solution, however. | 09:39 |
| wgrant | People will often append a +username1 or +ppa1 | 09:39 |
| ion_ | I mean, for a < b < c, where a is the current Ubuntu version, c is what the next Ubuntu version for the same upstream release will be and you pick b. | 09:40 |
| wgrant | Right. | 09:40 |
| pitti | pycentral pkginstall: not overwriting local files | 09:47 |
| pitti | dpkg: error processing python-launchpad-bugs (--configure): | 09:47 |
| pitti | argh | 09:47 |
| pitti | doko: ^ any idea about why that happens? breaks hardy dist-upgrade | 09:47 |
| pitti | oh, ENODOK | 09:47 |
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| pitti | seb128: ^ that broke the retracers; fixing (FYI) | 09:48 |
| seb128 | urg, thanks | 09:48 |
| seb128 | that's not the first time that happens | 09:48 |
| MacSlow | oh why... LP now complains it's missing the *.orig.tar.gz although it's in the same directory from where I issued the dput command | 09:55 |
| dholbach | debuild -S -sa vs. debuild -S ? | 09:56 |
| MacSlow | but it was obviously not uploaded with the dput command... I'm not doing anything other then... | 09:56 |
| MacSlow | dholbach, I did dpkg-buildpackage -S | 09:56 |
| dholbach | right | 09:56 |
| MacSlow | that's not good anymore? | 09:57 |
| ion_ | mcaslow: Try removing ...orig.tar.gz.uploaded or whatever it was. | 09:57 |
| dholbach | -sa will add the .orig.tar.gz to the .changes file | 09:57 |
| MacSlow | dholbach, it only uploads the orig.tar.gz with 0ubunt1 ?! | 09:57 |
| dholbach | it doesn't care about the version number | 09:57 |
| ion_ | Oh, and yeah, -sa. | 09:57 |
| dholbach | if you (and nobody else) has ever uploaded the new .orig.tar.gz, use -sa | 09:57 |
| dholbach | if it has already been uploaded, don't use -sa and save bandwidth and time | 09:58 |
| MacSlow | ion_, btw I never saw such a *.orig.tar.gz.uploaded before | 09:58 |
| dholbach | just remove the .upload file, regenerate the source package with -S -sa and try again | 09:58 |
| MacSlow | dholbach, -sa ?= "source attach" | 09:58 |
| MacSlow | ok | 09:58 |
| dholbach | no idea what it stands for | 09:59 |
| dholbach | thanks mvo for sponsoring! thanks seb128 too! | 10:02 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 10:02 |
| mvo | cheers | 10:02 |
| seb128 | dholbach: do you consider https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/courier-authlib/+bug/239643 as a correct bug? I don't know what universe standards are, but is there any need to use revu when a debdiff could be attached? | 10:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 239643 in courier-authlib "Please merge courier-authlib 0.60.1 (universe) from Debian unstable (0.60.1-2)" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 10:19 |
| dholbach | seb128: no, it's absolutely not required to upload to REVU | 10:19 |
| seb128 | and the description is not good either | 10:19 |
| dholbach | right | 10:20 |
| wgrant | Is the top (menu bar, tabs) of my gnome-terminal in Intrepid meant to be translucent, while other apps aren't? | 10:25 |
| seb128 | is that really a question? ;-) | 10:27 |
| seb128 | I don't see a reason why one application should behave differently no | 10:28 |
| seb128 | seems to be a bug rather | 10:28 |
| ion_ | In MacOSX, such inconsistencies seem to be the norm. :-) | 10:29 |
| wgrant | I thought maybe the new theme supported transparency, and some apps would initialise a window with an alpha channel, and those that didn't were the bug... | 10:29 |
| seb128 | ok, if that's the case I don't know about it | 10:29 |
| seb128 | maybe MacSlow knows about that | 10:30 |
| ion_ | Huh, translucent Gtk background by default? Now *that* would be a bug. | 10:30 |
| MacSlow | ion_, no... it's slick :) | 10:31 |
| ion_ | If by slick you mean less readable. :-) | 10:31 |
| wgrant | ion_: With blurring it probably won't be too bad. | 10:31 |
| MacSlow | ion_, it really depends on the opacity and if you happen to have compiz' blur enabled | 10:31 |
| wgrant | Haha. | 10:31 |
| MacSlow | ion_, got a screenshot for me to take a look? | 10:31 |
| MacSlow | wgrant, I meant | 10:32 |
| MacSlow | sorry | 10:32 |
| wgrant | MacSlow: Sure, in a sec. | 10:32 |
| MacSlow | day two of my clutter-PPA efforts and still not done *sigh* | 10:33 |
| MacSlow | no please don't tell me it failed because of the german-umlaut in my name | 10:35 |
| MacSlow | if anybody cares to take a look -> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15472094/6c17UkRT6WzAJ8VPK8kCtoyGGfq.txt | 10:35 |
| wgrant | MacSlow: What's the error? | 10:35 |
| wgrant | Ah. | 10:35 |
| * wgrant tries. | 10:35 | |
| wgrant | My i915 really didn't like turning blur on. | 10:36 |
| pitti | MacSlow: heh; but it shouldn't matter in the Mainainer: field or anywhere, hmm | 10:36 |
| MacSlow | it built for hardy... then I copied it to intrepid and there it failed? | 10:36 |
| pitti | MacSlow: sounds like a cprov problem | 10:36 |
| seb128 | cprov: ^ | 10:36 |
| wgrant | MacSlow: It rejected it, and then failed to generate the rejected message because of your name, I suspect. | 10:36 |
| MacSlow | wgrant, oh... don't bother with blur if you don't have a GeForce-card | 10:36 |
| wgrant | But it didn't reject it because of your name. | 10:36 |
| wgrant | Although, that's a strange character... | 10:37 |
| MacSlow | pitti, wgrant: but I don't get why for hardy it built and only failed on intrepid | 10:37 |
| wgrant | MacSlow: Did you upload the same version? | 10:37 |
| cprov | MacSlow: did you copy only the source ? | 10:37 |
| MacSlow | wgrant, no... I uploaded it for hardy and after that finished I used the LP/PPA-UI to copy it to another distro-seriies | 10:38 |
| MacSlow | cprov, yes | 10:38 |
| wgrant | Aha, 0xFC is ü in latin-1? | 10:38 |
| MacSlow | cprov, I remember that this is saver to have it actually rebuilt | 10:38 |
| MacSlow | wgrant, yes... Müller is my surname | 10:38 |
| wgrant | Shouldn't everything be UTF-8 these days? | 10:38 |
| cprov | MacSlow: you can't rebuild the same source within the same PPA (archive pools). | 10:39 |
| MacSlow | wgrant, well I didn't touch/change anything on my system | 10:39 |
| ion_ | wgrant: Definitely yes. | 10:39 |
| wgrant | cprov: Edge should prevent that nowadays, shouldn't it? | 10:39 |
| cprov | MacSlow: +copy-packages form should not allow it. | 10:39 |
| wgrant | Except for that remaining race. | 10:39 |
| cprov | wgrant: no, edge is frozen :( | 10:39 |
| MacSlow | cprov, ehm... but didn't yesterday somebody tell me that this would be ok (moving from distro-series -> distro-series+1 and keep the version number)? | 10:40 |
| wgrant | cprov: But is it in 1.2.6? | 10:40 |
| cprov | MacSlow: when you include binaries in the copy, it's fine | 10:40 |
| cprov | wgrant: yes, the bug is in PQM | 10:41 |
| MacSlow | cprov, hm. | 10:41 |
| cprov | the bug fix ... | 10:41 |
| MacSlow | f**k! | 10:43 |
| MacSlow | now I deleted the failed versions, and copied (with binaries) from hardy to intrepid... and that failed right away | 10:43 |
| ogra | pitti, to many kits eh ? (you thanked james for his help on policykit in your last sentence of teh packagekit mail :) ) | 10:48 |
| MacSlow | how long does it take for a deletion of a package to actually happen? | 10:49 |
| wgrant | MacSlow: Now that I've got Compiz to go less slothfully - http://qeuni.net/f/1/2008/noblur.png | 10:49 |
| wgrant | ogra: Can we please rename Nautilus to DirectoryKit? | 10:49 |
| ogra | yay | 10:49 |
| MacSlow | wgrant, looks like you're using some murrine-based GTK+-theme-engine | 10:49 |
| ogra | and kernel to hardwarekit :) | 10:49 |
| wgrant | MacSlow: It's the default in Intrepid. | 10:49 |
| pitti | ogra: oh, indeed; PK != PK any more :) | 10:50 |
| MacSlow | wgrant, that's intrepid? | 10:50 |
| wgrant | It is. | 10:50 |
| MacSlow | wgrant, hm... now I'm surprised | 10:50 |
| ogra | pitti, i'm always confusing all these kits .... they really should stop *now* with inventing new ones | 10:50 |
| wgrant | GTK+ -> WidgetKit, GDM -> LoginKit. The possibilities are endless and horribly confusing. | 10:51 |
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| ogra | yeah | 10:51 |
| ogra | but fedora has fun confusing the world at least :) | 10:51 |
| ion_ | GTK+ → Gimp ToolKit ;-) | 10:51 |
| wgrant | ion_: True. | 10:51 |
| ion_ | Or perhaps GraphicsKit ToolKit :-P | 10:51 |
| afflux | Pidgin -> ConversationKit, uh yeah :P | 10:51 |
| ion_ | Hehe | 10:51 |
| wgrant | MacSlow: The panel customisations are mine, but the rest of the theme is stock. | 10:51 |
| MacSlow | wgrant, the opacity in murrine is a hardcoded-value (at least it was when I last looked at its source) | 10:52 |
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| ogra | wgrant, working on BlingKit with MacSlow ? | 10:53 |
| MacSlow | wgrant, it should be a settable theme-property-value in the optimal case... so people can have it a bit translucent if they can run with compiz' blur... in that case it's really nice | 10:53 |
| pitti | slangasek: ah, apparently Debian now has a 'db-defaults' metapackage for libdb-dev | 10:55 |
| MacSlow | although I deleted packages from my PPA (about 15 minutes ago) they still show up in the "Delete packages from PPA"-page... why's that? | 11:01 |
| wgrant | MacSlow: Indeed, it looked very good when I had blur on, but it regrettable ran at less than 0.1fps. | 11:01 |
| wgrant | MacSlow: Try now. | 11:01 |
| wgrant | s/regrettable/regrettably/ | 11:02 |
| MacSlow | wgrant, the i915 has no hw-accelerated offscreen rendering (FBOs) needed for fast blur | 11:02 |
| wgrant | wgrant: Publisher only runs every 20 minutes, so trying a couple of minutes after the hour might have made a difference, but cprov would know. | 11:03 |
| wgrant | MacSlow: Aha. | 11:03 |
| wgrant | Um. I keep referring to myself for some reason. | 11:03 |
| MacSlow | wgrant, I think in the case of the i915 it uses the slowest possible option in GL... the only available on the i915 | 11:03 |
| wgrant | MacSlow: Do any newer Intel chips do it well? | 11:03 |
| cprov | MacSlow: the package will continue to be listed in +delete-package until it is entirely removed from the archive. I usually takes 2 death-row cycles (30 min) | 11:04 |
| MacSlow | wgrant, on the i965 I saw FBOs finally being exposed by the driver when I did a fresh git-checkout of Xorg, driver & Co at UDS-Prague... even GLSL-examples ran on it... that's a sweet outlook for Intrepid :) | 11:04 |
| MacSlow | cprov, ah ok | 11:04 |
| ion_ | Wow, a free driver with GLSL and FBO support? I gotta get one of those cards. | 11:05 |
| wgrant | MacSlow: Nice, nice. | 11:05 |
| wgrant | GLSL == GL shader language? | 11:05 |
| ion_ | (Are there cards anyway, or are they only available as integrated chips?) | 11:05 |
| MacSlow | ion_, cool eh?! | 11:05 |
| wgrant | (fairly random guess) | 11:05 |
| MacSlow | wgrant, correct | 11:05 |
| wgrant | ion_: I heard they were coming up with cards eventually. | 11:06 |
| MacSlow | wgrant, well all chips supported by free drivers should get GLSL-support | 11:06 |
| wgrant | But not yet that I know of. | 11:06 |
| wgrant | Unfortunately. | 11:06 |
| MacSlow | wgrant, but I only have a GeForce and a i965 myself so I cannot tell anything about e.g. ATI-chips | 11:06 |
| MacSlow | wgrant, I would not be surprised if the nouveau (the free nvidia-driver) will offer all that too at some point | 11:07 |
| MacSlow | cprov, so for having a package available for <distro-series> and <distro-series+1> I _absolutely_have_ to bump the version?! | 11:08 |
| wgrant | MacSlow: Nouveau seems like it should be rather good - I wonder how radeonhd will turn out. | 11:08 |
| wgrant | MacSlow: One would normally upload for distro-series, and then copy it (with binaries) to distro-series+1. | 11:08 |
| wgrant | Like we do when we create a new release. | 11:08 |
| wgrant | All the binaries are copied from the previous one. | 11:08 |
| MacSlow | wgrant, regarding ATI/Radeon I put all my bets on Dave Airlie (!= RadeonHD) | 11:09 |
| MacSlow | just for the record... | 11:09 |
| * MacSlow is the bloodiest packageing noob on the planet | 11:09 | |
| wgrant | MacSlow: WRT the Murrine translucency... does it only work on RGBA windows? | 11:09 |
| cprov | MacSlow: what willian said, binaries normally can be safely carried from series-(n-1) to series-(n) | 11:10 |
| MacSlow | wgrant, well of course and it needs a working/running compositor | 11:10 |
| wgrant | MacSlow: So that would explain why most of my windows are opaque. That's what I was initially wondering, thanks. | 11:10 |
| MacSlow | wgrant, I forgot which widgets murrine draws with some transparency by default | 11:11 |
| MacSlow | wgrant, it certainly does not create every widget with a RGBA-colormap by default... that would cause some breakage... especially for the tray-icons (notification area) | 11:12 |
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| ogra | seb128, i was told gdm wil drop support for ~/.dmrc, do you know anything about that ? (we just planned ~/.dmrc support in ldm but i dont want manpower being wasted if upstream switches to different ways of setting default lang and session) | 11:27 |
| seb128 | ogra: the new gdm uses gconf | 11:28 |
| ogra | hmm | 11:28 |
| cody-somerville | ughh :( | 11:28 |
| wgrant | seb128: ConfigKit! | 11:28 |
| ogra | how does that work with KDM, xdm and others then for default session and language ? they require ~/.dmrc .... or does KDM switch to gconf now ? :) | 11:29 |
| seb128 | ogra: that's like asking how evolution read kmail accounts settings ... | 11:29 |
| ogra | there should be a freedesktop.org standard for that imho ... | 11:29 |
| ogra | no, its different | 11:29 |
| seb128 | not really | 11:30 |
| ogra | you might wat to run a desktop that requires that file | 11:30 |
| ogra | from gdm | 11:30 |
| seb128 | what file? | 11:30 |
| ogra | or you might want to switch over and expect no regression :) | 11:30 |
| ogra | ~/.dmrc | 11:30 |
| seb128 | you might want to use your thunderbird accounts in evolution too | 11:30 |
| ogra | it carries a users default language and session | 11:30 |
| ogra | as a quasi standard since DMs exist | 11:31 |
| seb128 | don't switch software if you don't want to reconfigure? | 11:31 |
| ogra | well, why should i switch my default session language | 11:31 |
| seb128 | I don't get the question | 11:31 |
| seb128 | why would an user switch login managers? | 11:31 |
| ogra | ok, question made easier: why does gdm break common standards ? | 11:32 |
| ogra | i mean the way to set lang and session is long established | 11:32 |
| ogra | i dont get why they need to break it and get incompatible with all other DMs | 11:33 |
| seb128 | it doesn't in fact | 11:33 |
| seb128 | I was just looking at the code | 11:33 |
| seb128 | .dmrc is still used | 11:33 |
| ogra | phew, ok | 11:33 |
| ogra | warren told e differently | 11:33 |
| ogra | *me | 11:33 |
| ogra | he said mccann would remove it or had already | 11:33 |
| seb128 | "* daemon/gdm-session-worker.c: (_save_user_settings), | 11:33 |
| seb128 | (gdm_session_worker_start_user_session): | 11:33 |
| seb128 | Save out user settings to ~/.dmrc before starting the | 11:33 |
| seb128 | session" | 11:33 |
| ogra | good | 11:34 |
| seb128 | ogra: I don't know what they will do | 11:34 |
| seb128 | I just know what the current code is doing | 11:34 |
| seb128 | but I'm not sure they consider .dmrc as a standard | 11:34 |
| ogra | ok, i thought you had any insight in the "why do they want to drop traditional setups" :) | 11:34 |
| seb128 | and that they consider switching dynamically login managers as something that needs to be supported | 11:34 |
| ogra | thats why i said "quasi" standard :) | 11:35 |
| seb128 | honestly who is wanting to switch between login managers? | 11:35 |
| ogra | i'm sure its not written down anywhere as "the standard" | 11:35 |
| ogra | me | 11:35 |
| ogra | and all my ltsp users do that regulary | 11:35 |
| seb128 | why? | 11:35 |
| seb128 | why should an user care about that? | 11:35 |
| ogra | depending if you sit on the server directly or on a client you use either ldm or gdm | 11:35 |
| seb128 | that's like saying that grub should use lilo.conf because some users want to switch the boot manager | 11:36 |
| ogra | and i want them both to have the same settings indeed | 11:36 |
| ogra | which is what ~/.dmrc was made for | 11:36 |
| ogra | so DMs can share session and language info | 11:36 |
| seb128 | well, as said the code to support .dmrc is still there | 11:37 |
| seb128 | so let's see what they do | 11:37 |
| ogra | yeah | 11:37 |
| seb128 | but if mccann said he wants to remove it that's probably true | 11:37 |
| ogra | well, warren said | 11:37 |
| ogra | i tend to trust him less and less since i met the people in person he usually proxies to me :) | 11:38 |
| ogra | (i.e.l lennart or davidz) | 11:38 |
| seb128 | I don't know him so I can't say | 11:39 |
| ogra | (thas why i picked your brain to gather some more info :) ) | 11:39 |
| seb128 | but from the changelog they added code to write and read the .dmrc during this cycle | 11:39 |
| ogra | good | 11:39 |
| seb128 | so they probably agree with you that's an useful thing | 11:39 |
| seb128 | and I somewhat doubt they will drop that now | 11:39 |
| ogra | it definately is | 11:39 |
| seb128 | I would not worry to much for now | 11:39 |
| ogra | thanks :) | 11:39 |
| wgrant | 5~/win 4 | 11:42 |
| wgrant | Gah. | 11:42 |
| asac | siretart: is wpa roam feature debian only? | 12:14 |
| norsetto | asac: any idea why debian bug 415381 hasn'changed ownership? I also tried sending an email to control without results. | 12:16 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 415381 in gnome-mplayer "ITP: gnome-mplayer - a simple GUI for MPlayer" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/415381 | 12:16 |
| asac | norsetto: yeah :) | 12:17 |
| asac | norsetto: because i forgot the bugnumber ;) | 12:17 |
| asac | norsetto: you can just send owner 415381 ! | 12:18 |
| asac | if you send from the email you want to use | 12:18 |
| norsetto | asac: ah ok. I sent it with bugnumber but haven't got any results either :-/ | 12:18 |
| asac | norsetto: debian had some outages recently. try to send again | 12:19 |
| norsetto | asac: ok, will try again, viel danke | 12:21 |
| asac | welcome | 12:21 |
| siretart | asac: no, it is available in ubuntu since ages as well | 12:34 |
| siretart | bug #44194 makes it quite annoying to use in ubuntu, however. I still didn't understand where the race actually is here | 12:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 44194 in wpasupplicant "wpasupplicant doesn't start when the network start" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44194 | 12:35 |
| zul | morning | 12:37 |
| asac | siretart: err, i meant debian/ubuntu only ... as "not in upstream" | 12:42 |
| MacSlow | hm... locally a package compiled fine, but on LP/PPA it is missing "gtk-doc >= 1.4" thus fails to build (both for hardy) | 12:45 |
| siretart | asac: err, I think we are miscommunication. I mean with 'wpa-roam' feature the wpa-roam integration in /etc/network/interfaces, which is very specific to debian/ubuntu | 12:45 |
| siretart | what are you talking about? | 12:45 |
| asac | MacSlow: missing build-depends :)? | 12:45 |
| asac | siretart: right thats why i ask. i see that wpa-roam for eni is debian only | 12:46 |
| asac | siretart: now i wonder about wpasupplicant.conf? | 12:46 |
| asac | e.g. is that a debian thing? or is that upstream? if its upstream, what happens if you define two configurations in there :) | 12:47 |
| MacSlow | asac, well in the original package I "lended" the control file from there's not mentioning of gtk-doc in Build-Depends | 12:48 |
| siretart | asac: what is with wpasupplicant.conf? you terribly confuse me now | 12:49 |
| siretart | asac: perhaps you want to give me a call? | 12:49 |
| asac | siretart: yeah ... if you have time now ;) | 12:49 |
| asac | MacSlow: add it ... and maybe try with pbuilder | 12:50 |
| asac | MacSlow: maybe you are missing a configure switch to disable docs? | 12:50 |
| MacSlow | asac, yeah... just checking that | 12:51 |
| siretart | hosts: files dns [NOTFOUND=return] nis | 13:00 |
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| === pitti_ is now known as pitti | ||
| emgent | heya pitti :) | 13:22 |
| pitti | hello again | 13:22 |
| asac | siretart: /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/01ifupdown | 13:23 |
| asac | thats the wrapper | 13:24 |
| siretart | asac: aah, excellent. is that the only purpose of the NM Dispatcher? | 13:30 |
| pitti | argh | 13:41 |
| pitti | apparently 2.6.26 has an alsa driver for the PC speaker | 13:41 |
| ogra_cmpc | fun | 13:41 |
| pitti | which makes pulseaudio playback sounds through it | 13:41 |
| pitti | and as a result, the session startup takes some 10 minutes, while the PC speaker gives really weird noise | 13:42 |
| pitti | (in vmware, anyway) | 13:42 |
| asac | siretart: yes i think so | 13:48 |
| ember | pitti i'm having that on a intrepid machine using pulse | 13:49 |
| ion_ | pitti: :-D | 13:49 |
| asac | siretart: http://paste.ubuntu.com/21615/ ... you think thats too hacky? :-P | 13:50 |
| asac | err, s/usr/var/ :) | 13:50 |
| asac | siretart: not a serious approach. just a poc. to do it right we would have to check if NM is running or something | 13:54 |
| siretart | asac: I'm not really familiar what this mdns_minimal.so does, but if it really only duplicates the dns module using a custom resolv.conf, it might be an interesting 'hack' for the nm problem :) | 13:54 |
| siretart | asac: right. you need to consider the cornercases | 13:54 |
| asac | siretart: yeah. we could put NM logic directly into mdns ... not sure how much cheering that would get though :) | 13:55 |
| * persia thinks little | 13:55 | |
| asac | e.g. if running -> use this ... otherwise use that | 13:55 |
| siretart | asac: well, mdns has very little to do with NM. I fear you'll get into unneeded complexity with that. | 14:01 |
| siretart | asac: however it might be a very good start and source for inspiration | 14:01 |
| asac | siretart: btw, if you use dhcp in interfaces it will also just overwrite your /etc/resolv.conf, wouldn't it? | 14:06 |
| siretart | asac: no. why should it? | 14:16 |
| siretart | err | 14:16 |
| siretart | wait | 14:16 |
| asac | siretart: how does it work then? | 14:17 |
| asac | siretart: doesnt dhclient do that? | 14:17 |
| * asac confused | 14:17 | |
| siretart | asac: yes, of course it does. sorry. /sbin/dhclient-script to be exact does that | 14:18 |
| siretart | need to run now however. cu later! | 14:18 |
| asac | cu | 14:18 |
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| cody-somerville | bryce, Is how we did libxcb in Hardy down in Debian too? | 15:33 |
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| dholbach | mvo: where do I get -virtual? | 15:59 |
| mvo | dholbach: eh, were did you get 2.6.26 :) ? | 16:00 |
| mvo | dholbach: I don't have it here in my intrepid VM | 16:00 |
| dholbach | mvo: are you sure you're on intrepid? :) | 16:00 |
| dholbach | I tried both 2.6.26-{1,2}-generic - both don't boot up in KVM | 16:01 |
| * mvo updates | 16:01 | |
| mvo | just to be sure | 16:01 |
| dholbach | also I have this strange issue with the mouse pointer - it just moves in the upper left 50x20 pixels, really slowly | 16:01 |
| dholbach | very weird | 16:02 |
| dholbach | soren: ^ do you know anything about that? | 16:02 |
| mvo | dholbach: how strange, I do not see 2.4.26 | 16:04 |
| mvo | :/ | 16:04 |
| mvo | soren: did you had a chance to look at this alt-gr patch for kvm that I sent you some days ago via LP? | 16:05 |
| soren | dholbach: Err... Does it not boot or does the mouse misbehave? It can't be both :) | 16:05 |
| soren | mvo: I've been away for two weeks. I'm not really caught up on lp bug mail just yet :) | 16:05 |
| dholbach | soren: with 2.6.26-{1,2}: no boot, with 2.6.24-16: no fun with the mouse pointer | 16:06 |
| mvo | soren: no problem :) | 16:06 |
| dholbach | mvo: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/linux/2.6.26-2.6 | 16:06 |
| mvo | geh, since monday | 16:06 |
| soren | dholbach: Hm... You might be shocked to know that I don't use kvm's graphics capabilities very much :) | 16:06 |
| dholbach | mvo: using de.archive.u.c? | 16:06 |
| mvo | no, archive.u.c | 16:06 |
| dholbach | soren: GAR! | 16:06 |
| soren | dholbach: Are you using vmmouse in your guest? | 16:07 |
| dholbach | yes | 16:07 |
| soren | dholbach: Are you running though libvirt (i.e. using vnc) or are you running kvm from the commandline (and hence probably using sdl)? | 16:07 |
| dholbach | soren: I tried both | 16:07 |
| soren | dholbach: Same problem? This is with the kvm from intrepid? | 16:08 |
| dholbach | host is hardy, guest is intrepid (amd64) | 16:08 |
| mvo | now I have it, that is *very* mysterious | 16:08 |
| dholbach | mvo: I'm sure smart would have found it ;-) | 16:09 |
| * dholbach hugs mvo | 16:09 | |
| soren | dholbach: This only happens with intrepid guests? | 16:09 |
| dholbach | soren: it's just been happening since a few days - let me try an older hardy image I have | 16:10 |
| * soren glances at our esteemed X maintainers | 16:10 | |
| dholbach | it just feels that I'm the only one seeing this behaviour :) | 16:10 |
| dholbach | ... weird ... | 16:10 |
| mvo | dholbach: joy! it it does no longer find my uuid anymore with the latest -generic kernel too | 16:12 |
| mvo | is that what you see too? | 16:12 |
| Koon | soren: I also have no boot on 2.6.26 kernels | 16:12 |
| dholbach | mvo: I don't get any message at all | 16:12 |
| dholbach | Koon: cjwatson said he reported the problem to the kernel folks already | 16:12 |
| * soren tries to install an intrepid guest | 16:12 | |
| dholbach | soren: it works with hardy, doesn't work with intrepid (X mouse, bla) | 16:13 |
| mvo | dholbach: have you tried to remove the quiet and splash at the bootprompt? | 16:13 |
| soren | What seems to be the problem? | 16:13 |
| Koon | soren: looks like it gets stuck in initramfs at boot. | 16:13 |
| dholbach | mvo: no | 16:13 |
| Koon | dholbach: cool. | 16:13 |
| mvo | Koon: for me it can not find my uuid anymore (missing driver or something?) | 16:14 |
| soren | I'll take a look. | 16:14 |
| Koon | mvo: yes, same here. | 16:14 |
| Koon | soren: you might want to pull the latest intrepid branch, otherwise you might get caught by the other issues I ran into (and fixed) | 16:15 |
| Koon | soren: like lilo being pulled in by the new install-recommends default. | 16:16 |
| * mvo whistles inocenntly | 16:16 | |
| * Koon hugs mvo | 16:16 | |
| Koon | soren: you might also want to review https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-vm-builder/+bug/206763/comments/4 | 16:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 206763 in ubuntu-vm-builder "dapper install prompts for lilo questions" [Medium,Fix committed] | 16:19 |
| Koon | you might disagree with my patch (and you might even be right) | 16:20 |
| soren | Koon: Heh.. Check this out... | 16:21 |
| soren | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-virt/ubuntu-jeos/intrepid/revision/soren%40canonical.com-20080604161510-93365utmi0eppjn4?start_revid=nick.barcet%40canonical.com-20080619151306-i0ucr8zdcz13t84s | 16:22 |
| soren | shorter version: http://surl.dk/4co/ | 16:23 |
| Koon | soren: that's the change I didn't like, and reworked :) | 16:23 |
| pitti | soren: (btw, revision/1234 works, too) | 16:23 |
| soren | Koon: Oh, I though you didn't see it. | 16:23 |
| soren | Koon: :) | 16:23 |
| soren | kees: But yeah, the install-recommends bit is a good idea, too. | 16:24 |
| Koon | soren: I saw it and I didn't like it :) | 16:24 |
| Koon | see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-virt/ubuntu-jeos/intrepid/revision/107 :P | 16:24 |
| nijaba | soren: good reason not to like it, it certainly did not work for most of us :( | 16:25 |
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| soren | Er.. Ok, if you say so :) | 16:38 |
| cody-somerville | Hmm... it seems the dbus issue not only affect Xubuntu but also Ubuntu users. | 16:38 |
| cody-somerville | I've updated bug #232364 to critical | 16:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 232364 in dbus "dbus-launch freezes for unknown reason at session start" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/232364 | 16:39 |
| soren | 16:39 | |
| * mvo grabs the dash merge if noone objects | 16:46 | |
| * Lightkey objects to the use of dash as shell | 16:50 | |
| cjwatson | tkamppeter: PostscriptColor.ppd seems to have disappeared from cups-pdf, but the postinst script still relies on it; this causes intrepid CD images to fail to install. What's the right fix? | 16:55 |
| cjwatson | (cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/ppd/cups-pdf/PostscriptColor.ppd': No such file or directory) | 16:55 |
| soren | Oh, yay, linux-source is back! | 17:00 |
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| mvo | calc: do you mind if I take lzma? | 17:10 |
| mon | hi, i just built netatalk with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=ssl sudo dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc | 17:17 |
| mon | still it seems the required modules weren't build. any clues? | 17:17 |
| james_w | mon: DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS won't be propogated to the subcommand by default. | 17:18 |
| mon | so i should export it first or something? | 17:18 |
| mon | i pretty much copypasted it from a howto, seemed to work for the other readers | 17:19 |
| geser | mon: it's also a good idea to build as a user and use fakeroot | 17:19 |
| geser | install fakeroot and then "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=ssl dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc" | 17:19 |
| mon | -rfakeroot? | 17:19 |
| mon | no space? | 17:20 |
| cjwatson | no space | 17:21 |
| cjwatson | I think 'debuild -e DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=ssl -uc -us' is a bit easier though | 17:21 |
| cjwatson | (requires installing devscripts) | 17:22 |
| mon | i'm running the fakeroot version already | 17:23 |
| mon | though i don't really care whether i build as root or user (yes that's a BAD user!) | 17:23 |
| mon | this is my testing box and i really want it to "just work" ;) | 17:24 |
| mon | hm the process quit because it couldnt find libcrack-dev | 17:24 |
| mon | which was pointed out by the howto but i didnt include because i thought it was for testing passwords only | 17:25 |
| cjwatson | you do need to install all build-dependencies, as a general rule | 17:26 |
| cjwatson | or else modify the package to remove the need for them | 17:26 |
| cjwatson | if you absolutely believe it's not necessary and will build without, add the -d option | 17:26 |
| cjwatson | -d Do not check build dependencies and conflicts. | 17:26 |
| mathiaz | dholbach: is there a place where you have your really-fix-it script ? | 17:30 |
| dholbach | no, not right now - in a session, will chat to you about it in a bit | 17:30 |
| mathiaz | dholbach: great - thanks :) | 17:30 |
| bdmurray | pitti: still around? | 17:31 |
| pitti | hi bdmurray | 17:31 |
| bdmurray | Hi! I ran across bug 230877 and thought it looked like a good thing to fix for Hardy. | 17:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 230877 in dbus "dbus inherits parent filedescriptors" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/230877 | 17:32 |
| bdmurray | Well, or easy at least. | 17:32 |
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| mon | it worked! thanks geser and cjwatson | 17:33 |
| mon | is there a more general linux-dev channel btw? | 17:39 |
| jcastro | anyone know the proper url in lp for all the intrepid specs? | 18:06 |
| pitti | jcastro: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+specs | 18:06 |
| pitti | jcastro: however, not complete yet (many are still only 'proposed') | 18:07 |
| jcastro | I see, no way to see the raw list? | 18:07 |
| pitti | not that I know of | 18:07 |
| jcastro | k, thanks | 18:07 |
| seb128 | jcastro: what do you call raw list? | 18:08 |
| pitti | 'proposed' list? | 18:08 |
| jcastro | seb128: everything proposed | 18:08 |
| seb128 | jcastro: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+setgoals is you have access | 18:09 |
| jcastro | I don't | 18:09 |
| seb128 | me neither ;-) | 18:09 |
| jcastro | but if it's not public then that's ok, I am just putting a report together of UDS | 18:09 |
| jcastro | and want to point people to the list of specs | 18:09 |
| jcastro | so whatever is available is fine by me | 18:09 |
| seb128 | alright | 18:10 |
| \sh | didn't we have a spec about a launchpad client? ,) | 18:17 |
| bryce | cody-somerville: yes, in fact we're getting xcb via a libx11 sync from debian | 19:02 |
| bryce | cody-somerville: see changelog for libx11 (2:1.1.4-2) | 19:02 |
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| cody-somerville | bryce, Corasc says Debian Xfce isn't experiencing this problem | 19:30 |
| cody-somerville | bryce, so it is either a Ubuntu delta exposing the libxcb bug or a ubuntu delta agitating it. | 19:31 |
| bryce | cody-somerville: ok | 19:37 |
| cody-somerville | bryce, I also feel that due to the nature of the issue a lot of people who experience it just restart x or reboot and continue going | 19:38 |
| cody-somerville | Clearly how Xubuntu is setup the issue occurs much more frequently which is why we have the bug reports | 19:38 |
| cody-somerville | but it has taken awhile for it to build up | 19:38 |
| cody-somerville | It started as a whisper and now it looks like a regression that affects both Xubuntu and Ubuntu. | 19:38 |
| mario_limonciell | cody-somerville, what's this bug number? | 19:41 |
| cody-somerville | bug #232364 | 19:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 232364 in dbus "dbus-launch freezes for unknown reason at session start" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/232364 | 19:42 |
| mario_limonciell | wooh, yuck! :) | 19:44 |
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| pitti | bdmurray: oh, indeed, that looks fine | 20:32 |
| bdmurray | pitti: should I subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors then? | 20:33 |
| pitti | bdmurray: I assigned it to me | 20:33 |
| bdmurray | okay, great! | 20:33 |
| pitti | (just commented on the buG) | 20:34 |
| pitti | bdmurray: thanks for digging that out, that sounds important | 20:34 |
| BenC | checking for x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc... (cached) gcc checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables | 20:45 |
| BenC | anyone know why that would be happening in intrepid amd64/grub builds? | 20:46 |
| BenC | can't reproduce it locally | 20:46 |
| BenC | and it seems to be grub specific, but it builds everywhere else fine, and locally fine | 20:46 |
| BenC | and it was fine in hardy | 20:46 |
| slangasek | BenC: it may be related to the new default CFLAGS settings | 21:14 |
| BenC | slangasek: anyway I can get config.log? | 21:20 |
| BenC | maybe I could hack the build to cat it before failing | 21:20 |
| BenC | so I can see it in the build.log | 21:20 |
| slangasek | could do | 21:20 |
| cody-somerville | So... what is the best course of action? I assume it would be too risky to recompile X11 with libxcb disabled or to apply the experimental upstream patches for Hardy :( | 21:32 |
| bryce | cody-somerville: well, the experimental patches don't apply. I think what we need is a git tree we can pull from, or some directions on how to get those patches built | 21:41 |
| BenC | configure:2984: gcc -m32 -static conftest.c >&5/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.3.1/libgcc.a when searching for -lgcc | 21:50 |
| BenC | slangasek: looks like -m32...not sure where it came from | 21:50 |
| BenC | maybe I need to do something about getting 32-bit libs in build-deps | 21:50 |
| slangasek | hrm, I thought grub was always built as 32-bit | 21:51 |
| slangasek | and I also thought it already had the build-dep on the 32-bit libs | 21:51 |
| BenC | slangasek: ah, I wonder if gcc-4.2-multilib needs to be changed to gcc-multilib | 21:54 |
| BenC | in build-deps | 21:54 |
| BenC | I have that locally, so it would explain it | 21:55 |
| slangasek | if there's a gcc-multilib available and we're otherwise not using a specific version, then that sounds right :) | 21:55 |
| BenC | intrepid is using gcc-4.3-multlib, and gcc-multilib is the meta package pointing to the right one | 21:56 |
| BenC | matching the gcc command | 21:57 |
| BenC | I'm pretty sure this will fix it | 21:57 |
| slangasek | sounds like it | 21:57 |
| cody-somerville | bryce, I don't think those patches would fix the issue anyhow without patching the applications themselves to use the stuff | 22:15 |
| bryce | ah ok | 22:17 |
| bryce | cody-somerville: is there anything else I could do in helping resolve this issue? | 22:17 |
| cody-somerville | bryce, make it work? :P | 22:18 |
| cody-somerville | lol | 22:18 |
| * bryce waves a wand | 22:18 | |
| bryce | guess I can re-dig through all the logs and backtraces another time | 22:19 |
| cody-somerville | Oh, I know what you could do | 22:19 |
| cody-somerville | First, install Xubuntu and see if you can reproduce it easily enough | 22:19 |
| cody-somerville | Then you could try recompiling with xcb disabled and see if it still occurs | 22:20 |
| cody-somerville | btw, Keybuk was convinced that the select it was hanging on was in dbus-launch and not actually libxcb | 22:21 |
| cody-somerville | However, I'm not so sure because I attached gdb to the other running processes and they all had the similiar backtraces. | 22:23 |
| cody-somerville | xfce4-session had pretty much the same backtrace as dbus-launch | 22:23 |
| cody-somerville | the others were in some xcb wait function | 22:24 |
| bryce | what did Keybuk say exactly? | 22:25 |
| bryce | the one system I have that I can easily reinstall at the moment is an amd64. have there been reporters seeing the problem on amd64? | 22:27 |
| cody-somerville | bryce, yes | 22:27 |
| cody-somerville | http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m50aa1bc4 | 22:27 |
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| bryce | ah thanks | 22:29 |
| bryce | hmm | 22:29 |
| bryce | so sort of sounds like debugging from the libxcb side of things is the wrong place to look? | 22:29 |
| bryce | hmm, scott's comments just give me more questions :-P | 22:31 |
| * cody-somerville nods. | 22:32 | |
| cody-somerville | I talked to someone else | 22:32 |
| cody-somerville | and they said the previous write statements do not mean that it isn't in libxcb | 22:33 |
| cody-somerville | bryce, if you were to attach gdb to X, what would you expect to see? | 22:34 |
| bryce | since it's a hang, I'd expect it to be stuck somewhere along the waitfor loop | 22:35 |
| * cody-somerville nods. | 22:37 | |
| cody-somerville | #0 __kernel_vsyscall() | 22:37 |
| cody-somerville | #1 wait4() from [path to libc] | 22:38 |
| cody-somerville | #2 ?? | 22:38 |
| cody-somerville | #3 __libc_start_main from [path to libc] | 22:38 |
| cody-somerville | #4 ?? | 22:38 |
| cody-somerville | But before that | 22:38 |
| cody-somerville | Er,, sorry | 22:38 |
| cody-somerville | I tried again and the next time I found it was in ptrace | 22:38 |
| * cody-somerville ponders. | 22:40 | |
| bryce | well, in case it is an xcb issue, I do know bart massey personally... I'll drop him an email. If nothing else maybe he can get some action going on our upstreamed bug. | 22:41 |
| cody-somerville | Well, the issue seems to be deadlocks involved in waiting for responses from the X server. | 22:42 |
| cody-somerville | and it has been known since 2004 | 22:45 |
| cody-somerville | Who decided to enable libxcb anyhow? | 22:45 |
| bryce | now, now | 22:45 |
| bryce | email sent | 22:50 |
| bryce | I cc'd you | 22:50 |
| bryce | I don't think it's productive for you to look for assigning blame, but you can consider it my decision if you want | 22:50 |
| bryce | of course, the decision ultimately comes from upstream of us | 22:51 |
| bryce | libxcb had been disabled in debian previously due to problems it caused with java apps, so we did not activate it until after that problem was resolved. | 22:52 |
| cody-somerville | I'm not looking to "place blame". | 22:53 |
| cody-somerville | I wanted to discuss with the person (ie. you) if it would be possible for us to disable it again | 22:53 |
| bryce | of course anything is possible, however do you have proof that the problem goes away when it's disabled? | 22:55 |
| cody-somerville | bryce, I would ofcourse test the solution before recommending it :) | 22:55 |
| bryce | there's also the issue if turning it off would cause other problems | 22:56 |
| * cody-somerville nods. | 22:56 | |
| cody-somerville | Indeed. Very scary prospects all around. | 22:56 |
| bryce | let's wait on bart's response. Bart was the one who encouraged us to turn it on long ago, so I'd expect him to supply some help in pointing us towards solutions. | 22:57 |
| bryce | even if we did shut it off in hardy, though, I'd want to leave it on for intrepid. | 22:58 |
| bryce | the only way these issues are going to get found and fixed is if people use it and report it | 22:58 |
| cody-somerville | bryce, In the mean time, I'm going to see if omitting --exit-with-session fixs the hang and just take care of killing dbus manually. | 22:59 |
| bryce | ok | 22:59 |
| bryce | I'll see if I can identify what's involved in compiling libx11 without libxcb if you want to also test that | 22:59 |
| slangasek | isn't that "grab an older version of libx11 before the switch"? | 23:00 |
| bryce | slangasek: maybe | 23:00 |
| cody-somerville | bryce, whats the risk associated with the session bus not being terminated at the end of session? | 23:00 |
| bryce | cody-somerville: I'm not sure... if the user re-logged in would it result in multiple sessions running? | 23:01 |
| bryce | cody-somerville: btw have you been able to obtain a full backtrace yet? | 23:06 |
| cody-somerville | What did you say was the command for that? | 23:06 |
| bryce | (gdb) backtrace full | 23:07 |
| bryce | also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Backtracing | 23:07 |
| bryce | this looks like maybe the bit keybuk was referring to: | 23:08 |
| bryce | [pid 7877] read(20, 0x8056f3c, 4096) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) | 23:08 |
| bryce | [pid 7877] ioctl(0, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE or TCGETS, 0xbfd17a18) = -1 ENOTTY (Inappropriate ioctl for device) | 23:08 |
| bryce | [pid 7877] select(21, [20], NULL, [20], NULL) = 1 (in [20]) | 23:08 |
| bryce | [pid 7877] read(20, "", 4096) = 0 | 23:08 |
| bryce | cody-somerville: mm interesting check this search out - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=dbus-launch | 23:13 |
| bryce | "You can look at the environment of your apps with something like | 23:14 |
| bryce | "ps ewwwww" and everything in your login session should have the same | 23:14 |
| bryce | DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS. If anything has a different (or missing) address, | 23:14 |
| bryce | that is your problem." | 23:14 |
| bryce | fdo #8294 looks interesting | 23:14 |
| bryce | not directly relevant though | 23:15 |
| bryce | ditto 9884 | 23:17 |
| cody-somerville | hmm | 23:20 |
| cody-somerville | Weird, a buddy of mine reports those recent updates to gutsy caused his screen to revert to 800x600. | 23:45 |
| bryce | cody-somerville: the only X updates were some security fixes | 23:46 |
| bryce | and that was about a week or so ago | 23:46 |
| cody-somerville | bryce, from the log, it seems like it was after the kernel was updated. | 23:48 |
| bryce | cody-somerville: was he using -nvidia or -fglrx by chance? | 23:49 |
| cody-somerville | yes | 23:49 |
| bryce | which? | 23:50 |
| bryce | <gchaix> bryyce: Oh what fun. X is starting up in failsafe mode after rebooting on the new 2.6.24-19 kernel | 23:50 |
| bryce | * gchaix digs into the logs | 23:50 |
| bryce | <gchaix> Huh ... comes up in vesa mode thinking the virtual size is only 800 | 23:50 |
| bryce | gchaix was using -nvidia | 23:50 |
| cody-somerville | He has an nVidia card to the best of my knowledge. | 23:50 |
| * cody-somerville nods. | 23:50 | |
| cody-somerville | nvidia | 23:50 |
| bryce | gchaix was on hardy though | 23:51 |
| bryce | could have been the same update though | 23:51 |
| bryce | cody-somerville: fwiw, gchaix worked around via use of envyng | 23:51 |
| bryce | however I'm not sure how safe envy was on gutsy | 23:52 |
| bryce | anyway, kees thinks it's probably unrelated. -nvidia troubles are usually caused by "badly installed meta packages or 3rd party drivers" | 23:54 |
| kees | heh, beat me to it -- was just going to say it here too :) | 23:55 |
| bryce | kees, while we have your attention, would you mind looking at this xubuntu/xcb bug, that seems to be hanging during a socket() call? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16420 | 23:56 |
| ubottu | Freedesktop bug 16420 in Library "Freeze in _xcb_in_read_block during select()" [Critical,New] | 23:56 |
| bryce | kees: we're currently stumped on what to do next to debug it further, and have not yet gotten feedback from upstream | 23:56 |
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