[00:06] <JC-MythTV> I have a question... I'm a very long time mythTV (since version 0.6) user and currently run Ubuntu Hardy. I'd like to have mythbuntu manage things for me instead of having to keep on top of all the updates constantly. How difficult is it to convert an already installed myth to mythbuntu?
[00:14] <foxbuntu> JC-MythTV, very easy
[00:14] <foxbuntu> :)
[00:15] <foxbuntu> JC-MythTV, http://www.mythbuntu.org/existing-ubuntu
[00:15] <tgm4883_laptop> JC-MythTV, note that you still have to do updates, mythbuntu doesn't do updates for you
[00:18] <JC-MythTV> thats fine, what will that do with the existing database and configurations?
[00:18] <foxbuntu> JC-MythTV, upgrade if needed
[00:18] <a1fa_> hey adding gnome to mythbuntu wont screw anything up, will it?
[00:18] <a1fa_> ~gnome
[00:19] <foxbuntu> a1fa, nope, you may have to edit your session but it should still work
[00:19] <a1fa_> so apt-get install gnome?
[00:19] <foxbuntu> a1fa, actually there is an easier way
[00:19] <a1fa_> whats that?
[00:19] <JC-MythTV> ok, except for maybe some .21 fixes it should be up to date.
[00:20] <foxbuntu> JC-MythTV, nothing really then, its just going to add our stuff to your system
[00:20] <foxbuntu> a1fa, just one sec
[00:20] <JC-MythTV> ok, I've prepared the wife... just in case there's problems
[00:21] <tgm4883_laptop> a1fa, use MCC
[00:21] <tgm4883_laptop> well
[00:21] <tgm4883_laptop> unless you want just plain gnome
[00:21] <foxbuntu> a1fa, yeah, in System Roles just click Ubuntu desktop
[00:21] <tgm4883_laptop> ubuntu-desktop would install everything from a default ubuntu install
[00:21] <a1fa_> ok.. i want mythtv session to stay the same
[00:22] <tgm4883_laptop> if you don't want that then you need to install gnome by itself
[00:22] <foxbuntu> a1fa_, thats ok, just use MCC and select the Ubuntu Desktop role and apply, it will take care of everything then
[00:22] <tgm4883_laptop> either way, shouldn't mess up your session
[00:22] <a1fa_> cool
[00:22] <a1fa_> i see it
[00:22] <a1fa_> i knew i saw that somewhere
[00:22] <a1fa_> i am going to use xdmcp
[00:23] <a1fa_> computer is just idling 90% of time
[00:23] <a1fa_> if i enable diskless server it will allow me to connect thin clients?
[00:25] <foxbuntu> a1fa, yeah.... there is a little more setup to it than that, but yes
[00:25] <a1fa_> cool
[00:25] <a1fa_> :p
[00:28] <a1fa_> i have a 233mhz pos terminal i wanted to use
[00:29] <foxbuntu> haha
[00:29] <foxbuntu> you would be lucky to make that thing play standard video
[00:29] <a1fa_> i will use it to terminal to another box
[00:29] <a1fa_> :P
[00:31] <foxbuntu> oh...you should know that the diskless server is a modfied version of the LTSP project that is setup for Mythbuntu Thin clients only
[00:31] <a1fa_> i can revert it
[00:31] <a1fa_> can i ?
[00:31] <foxbuntu> it can be changed but that is what MCC is going to setup
[00:31] <JC-MythTV> it does PXE correct?
[00:31] <a1fa_> cool
[00:31] <foxbuntu> JC-MythTV, yes
[00:37] <JC-MythTV> are x64 diskless images supported yet?
[00:38] <tgm4883_laptop> JC-MythTV, yes
[00:38] <tgm4883_laptop> but not from 32-bit machines
[00:39] <JC-MythTV> ah
[00:40] <JC-MythTV> since I haven't done it before, how difficult is it to convert a machine to x64?
[00:40] <tgm4883_laptop> JC-MythTV, reinstall
[00:40] <JC-MythTV> thats what I was afraid of :(
[00:56] <a1fa_> ok
[00:57] <a1fa_> what does "capitalize" expense mean?
[00:57] <a1fa_> kind of unrelated :P
[00:58] <superm1> well there's other ways to do it
[00:58] <superm1> but they are quite crazy
[01:24] <tanstaafl32> good evening all--anyone have time for a question?
[01:24] <JC-MythTV> are you using atftp for PXE loading?
[01:42] <tanstaafl32> hey dustybin
[01:43] <dustybin> hey
[01:43] <dustybin> ive never used mythbuntu and ive never used your pvr card
[01:43] <dustybin> so its difficult for me to diognise your problem
[01:44] <tanstaafl32> i really think that i have an overall myth issue...but thanks for trying...
[01:44] <tanstaafl32> the recording files ought to be growing
[01:44] <dustybin> yes
[01:45] <tanstaafl32> hmm...i think i'll kill my detected myth cards and video sources and start again...i wasn't getting video at all when i first installed
[01:46] <dustybin> yes that might be a good idea
[01:47] <tanstaafl32> know anything about storage groups?  beyond being in /var and chmoding, is there any good guidance?
[01:50] <JC-MythTV> For PXE booting, what should the /etc/inetd.conf file look like?
[02:00] <dustybin> tanstaafl32: storage groups should be setup in mythtv-setup
[02:01] <dustybin> they are the locations of recordings, they can be anything you want
[02:01] <dustybin> JC-MythTV: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Diskless_Frontend
[02:03] <tgm4883_laptop> tanstaafl32, yea, don't stick them in /var
[02:07] <tgm4883_laptop> bah, where does mytharchive stick the iso it makes?
[02:09] <JC-MythTV> I need to rebuild the ramfs boot image that was built to include my network card driver. Do I just need to edit the modules in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/initramfs-tools and run some script to rebuild it?
[02:11] <JC-MythTV> or is the image built from some other source and script
[02:17] <tgm4883_laptop> JC-MythTV, what do you mean to include your network card driver?
[02:18] <JC-MythTV> I need the sky2 driver in the ramfs or the kernel panics going to NBD or NFS
[02:18] <JC-MythTV> the initramfs
[02:20] <JC-MythTV> usually in the /etc/initramfs-tools directory you can add them in modules before you build the image
[02:21] <JC-MythTV> But I'm not sure which directory you are using and if you might have a script to rebuild the image
[02:36] <JC-MythTV> ok, I found the proper scripts... I had the correct file, just need to run: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 update-initramfs -u
[02:36] <JC-MythTV> and then ltsp-update-kernels
[02:37] <JC-MythTV> now onto the next roadblock ;)
[02:37] <tanstaafl32> anyone have a pvr-350?  i can get video in mplayer but nothing in myth
[05:09] <mungewell2> hi. I have an issue where starting an xterm from the xfce menu restarts X, I can start one by double click /etc/X11/bin/xterm in thunar....
[05:10] <mungewell2> any suggestion as to what might be screwed up?
[05:10] <hads> Interesting.
[05:11] <hads> Sounds like whatever is holding your X session open might be crashing.
[05:13] <mungewell2> hads: why would starting via thunar work in that case?
[05:13] <mungewell2> where the output from update-menus stored... I can't find it
[05:13] <hads> I don't use xfce sorry.
[05:14] <hads> I was thinking that maybe the action of clicking on the menu was crashing something that's holding your X session - just a guess though.
[05:15] <mungewell2> update-menus is a debian '1 size fits all' system for all of the window managers. Define apps once and it magically creates menus for different type of session...... somewhere.
[05:15] <mungewell2> only seems to xterm, other item open OK
[05:15] <hads> OK, well I don't use that either :)
[05:16] <hads> man update-menus shows some locations
[05:17] <mungewell2> only seem to the source locations. There is a xfce-method which does the final stage, but I don't know where it puts the result.
[06:17] <zippytech_> when i select media library then,watch recordings ,select recording options, then job options select begin transcoding, how do i know when it's done and where is the file so i can burn it to disk
[08:59] <RockHound> hi everyone ... anyone else experiencing mythtv-status segfaults?
[08:59] <RockHound> with weeklybuild on hardy?
[09:05] <laga> what's segfaulting?
[09:31] <laga> RockHound: ^^
[09:37] <craigyboytaz> Hello, I am trying to choose a HDMI motherboard, can anyone reccomend a mATX one with enough grunt to do 1080p x264 mkv's?
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[09:44] <craigyboytaz> leaning towards the inno3d intel one for the cpu as dont think the 8200 will make any difference over the 7100, am i correct?
[09:50] <RockHound> laga: /usr/bin/mythtv-status gives me a segault
[09:50] <RockHound> how do I debug this perl script?
[09:50] <RockHound> to see exactly what is causing it?
[09:50] <laga> perl scripts shouldn't segfault...
[09:50] <RockHound> well, then it is something that it induces
[09:51] <laga> i dont have mythtv-status here right now, but i'm currently upgrading my backend to hardy
[09:52] <RockHound> it started when I turned on ubuntu weeklybuilds yesterday ...
[09:52] <RockHound> so it is my fault I guess but I would love to help fix this
[09:54] <RockHound> anyone else have weeklybuilds enabled on hardy? and running into this issue? or not?
[09:54] <laga> i'll take a look at the script
[09:56] <RockHound> i am running in perldebug now ...
[09:57] <laga> god, this is full of crack. we doesn't it use the perl bindings to learn about the database?
[09:57] <laga> ah, i can dpkg-reconfigure it
[09:58] <RockHound> ;-)
[10:00] <laga> it doesn't seg fault here. ;)
[10:00] <laga> i run my "own" weekly builds
[10:01] <laga> RockHound: where do you see the segfault?
[10:02] <RockHound> running via perl -d it hangs after line 411 ...
[10:02] <RockHound> root@ht1:~# /usr/bin/mythtv-status
[10:02] <RockHound> Segmentation fault
[10:03] <laga> /etc/init.d/mythtv-status
[10:04] <laga> oops
[10:04] <laga> line 411:
[10:04] <laga>  $xml ||= load_xml();
[10:04] <laga> seems like it's waiting for the xml to load?
[10:05] <laga> indeed, it also uses the mythtv perl api, it's just a bit hidden in the code..
[10:16] <RockHound> well when running directly it segfaults instantly .. but this waiting for load_xml was just the last output that I saw ... I am new to perldebug so if someone has a hint ... I was just progressing with
[10:16] <RockHound> n
[10:17] <laga> i have never used perldebug
[10:17] <laga> i might take a closer look later once my backend is up and running again.
[10:18] <laga> the upgrade to gutsy went really smooth. i only had to download 300M and it took about 20 minutes or so
[10:20] <RockHound> laga: thx ... and good look on further upgrading
[10:22] <laga> RockHound: if you look in dmesg, is there a line telling you what segfaulted?
[10:23] <RockHound> oops ... missed that ...  [58689.221807] mythtv-status[14689]: segfault at 00000000 eip b7b5a5f0 esp bfefaa64 error 4
[10:23] <laga> heh, it really was the perl script
[10:24] <laga> RockHound: can you show me the xml file your backend gives you?
[10:43] <RockHound> for anyone else interessted, we took this in to a seperate chat ... it seems to have nothing to do with the xml file ...
[11:25]  * laga goes to kick his master backend
[11:26] <laga> ok, i can ssh in now :)
[11:33] <laga> yay, mythweb seems a bit faster, too
[11:35] <laga> or i was just missing some recordings because the device node for my hard disk changed ;)
[11:52] <RockHound> laga: what was causing the ssh login failure?
[11:53] <laga> RockHound: i don't know. i just reset the box and it came back up.
[11:53] <RockHound> ah ... top
[11:54] <laga> now i just need to verify my tv-card is still working
[11:54] <laga> as well as /proc/acpi/alarm ;)
[11:55] <wand> I have a problem with the initial channel searching. My Terratec Cinergy DT somewhat seem to deliver strange tuning parameters which then fail to be added to the database (DTVParamHelper::toString out of bound error) anyone had same or similar experience?
[11:56] <laga> yay, tv still works
[12:02] <RockHound> proc acpi alarm is a thing that I wanted to get working for while now ... never had it wake up though ;-)
[12:06] <laga> heh+
[12:06] <laga> i used to use nvram-wakeup on another box..
[12:07] <laga> maybe that works better for you, although it's a bit scarier.
[12:07] <laga>  /proc/acpi/alarm is the old interface. current kernels use a different one, but ubuntu seems to prefer the legacy one
[12:22] <RockHound> the new interface is under /sys
[12:22] <RockHound> fiddled with that aswell
[12:23] <laga> yay
[12:23] <RockHound> but first off ... mythtv-status ;)
[12:23] <laga> it has come online
[12:23] <laga> so, hardy seems to work well.
[13:06] <baalsgate> hmm im getting a few lockups since moving to 8.04
[13:12] <baalsgate> geees quite in hete
[15:55] <rockhound> laga: after a reboot, mythtv-status works like a charm ... pfft
[15:57] <laga> rockhound: heh. odd.
[15:57] <laga> so let's consider it fixed then :)
[15:57] <rockhound> ohh yeah
[15:58] <laga> do you know about the german mythtv channel? #mythtv-de
[15:58] <rockhound> now yes
[18:49] <Ace2016> hi all
[18:49] <Ace2016> where can i find info on firmware
[19:20] <tgm4883_laptop> Ace2016, um, from the manufacture?
[19:20] <Ace2016> ok i think it was included
[19:20] <Ace2016> for a nexus-s dvb-s card
[22:40] <Ramzi> does anyone knows if mythtv supports ATI All in wonder usb 2.0 tv tuner?
[22:42] <Ramzi> anyone?
[23:48] <driedsponge> hey
[23:57] <prodigel> hi all. I've just set up mythtv and i'm having difficulties watching tv. when selecting 'watch tv' all I get is a black screen for 1 second or so and then reverts to the menu. I've run myth-setup, went ok, did find a bunch of channels.