[00:00] <flauoz> salve
[00:00] <flauoz> vorrei una imformazione
[00:00] <flauoz> chi me la sa dare?
[00:00] <BluesKaj> StultusApparatus, lsb_release -a
[00:00] <Odd-rationale> !es | flauoz
[00:00] <BluesKaj> !it | flauoz
[00:00] <StultusApparatus> Thanks
[00:00] <leandro> #ubuntu-br
[00:00] <flauoz> thank
[00:00] <Odd-rationale> oops. sorry....
[00:05] <jals> hey another ripping question, where does k3b get it's bitrate settings from? is it from the audio cd settings in settings manager?
[00:06] <Odd-rationale> jals: settings manager, i think....
[00:07] <jals> i thought so, but it seems pretty random how it applies it
[00:08] <lalu_n> Odd-rationale: former smasher, nick change, long story - that link you gave me, ok, but if knetworkmanager doesnt offer me wpa in the dropdown - im screwed?
[00:09] <Odd-rationale> lalu_n: most probably...
[00:09] <lalu_n> awesome.
[00:10] <Odd-rationale> lalu_n: this would be your last bet: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=684495
[00:10] <Odd-rationale> good luck!
[00:10] <lalu_n> thx
[00:12] <leandro> god, give me strenght.... im a noob! =/
[00:16] <flauoz> salve
[00:17] <flauoz> chi mi dice quel canale perfavore
[00:17] <flauoz> ?
[00:17] <Odd-rationale> !es
[00:20] <flauoz> chi mi dice
[00:20] <flauoz> un sever di amule
[00:20] <flauoz> ?
[00:23] <reese> flauoz: #ubuntu-it
[00:23] <reese> flauoz: non c'entra con kubuntu, per cui non chiederlo neanche, cerca su google
[00:50] <jonathan_> hola
[01:41] <yurimxpxman> are 6g ipods supported in 8.04 out of the box, or do I have to compile libgpod?
[01:42] <Visitor> anyone who knows: I would like to have a hidden disk with password protection. Which one do you suggest?
[01:44] <sergiodimanche> se habla español aca?
[01:44] <Exilant> don't know about the hidden part, but luks for encryption is safe(tm) and works well with ubuntu
[01:44] <Exilant> !es
[01:45] <Visitor> as a hidden disk partition?
[01:45] <Exilant> i don't have it hidden
[01:46] <Exilant> i'd like to have it hidden well, less trouble at the customs and stuff
[01:46] <Visitor> I see
[01:47] <JuJuBee> Can I upgrade from 7.04 to 8.04?
[01:47] <yurimxpxman> JuJuBee: no
[01:47] <yurimxpxman> JuJuBee: just kidding :)
[01:47] <yurimxpxman> JuJuBee: yes, you can
[01:47] <yurimxpxman> !upgrade|JujuBee
[01:48] <JuJuBee> Your first answer was correct. I have to go to 7.10 first.
[01:48] <JuJuBee> That sux
[01:51] <Visitor> Exikant I have been hearing about TrueCrypt I hoped somenone could give me other options
[01:51] <yurimxpxman> JuJuBee: but you can do both upgrades without reformatting anything
[01:51] <JuJuBee> Yes, I realize that.  Just going to take a while...
[01:51] <JuJuBee> 2 upgrades...
[01:53] <duh> I need to figure out what isn't installed for konqueror... The metatag thing doesn't work
[01:54] <duh> And I can't pick a theme in the kcontol center
[01:56] <JuJuBee> dist-upgrade.py: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[01:56] <JuJuBee> ?
[01:56] <JuJuBee> Trying to dist upgrade
[01:56] <duggiss> sup?
[01:57] <duggiss> loko hay algien?
[01:57] <MachinTrucChose> Hi. Can anyone tell me how to make Kubuntu stop asking me to confirm if I want to shut down when other users are logged in? I would like it to do whatever it's told without asking (reboot, shutdown, etc)
[01:58] <MachinTrucChose> currently shutdown/reboot logs out the current user, then shows the active users and ask if I REALLY want to shutdown.
[01:58] <duggiss> XDD
[01:58] <duggiss> i dont know
[01:59] <duggiss> some one knows how to change my alpha version of ubuntu without having to downlaod another distro?
[02:07] <JuJuBee> Ok, while trying to perform version upgrade 7.04-7.10, I get this... http://paste.ubuntu.com/21706/
[02:10] <JuJuBee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/21707/  added CLI messages...
[02:15] <psyco> Anyone know how to get of the black menus when using Baghira??
[02:18] <psyco> get rid of**
[02:25] <psyco> How do I get rid of the black menus when KDE and Baghira are combined??
[02:43] <MachinTrucChose> can someone tell me what files I need to copy/overwrite to replicate a user's desktop settings (font size, menu preferences, panels, etc).
[02:44] <MachinTrucChose> basically the KDE configuration
[02:45] <MachinTrucChose> is anyone even here?
[02:47] <RiotingPacifist> MachinTrucChose: not really, but its .kde
[02:48] <MachinTrucChose> home/.kde? I figured so, I just thought maybe there was more somewhere. Thanks.
[02:48] <MachinTrucChose> gotta log out to overwrite my settings. ciao.
[02:48] <RiotingPacifist> but that covers kde apps too, if you just want kicker and destkop and kwin youll have to do some digging around (i think there in ~/.kde/share or something generally i copy the entire thing
[02:48] <MachinTrucChose> I don't mind
[02:48] <RiotingPacifist> cya
[03:06] <sonoftheclayr> What do I have to uninstall to remove KDE4?
[03:33] <StultusApparatus> Anyone here know how to get to PHP myadmin?
[03:34] <RoughriderUT> Stultus: Should be able to get it through Adept manager, thats how I got it
[03:34] <StultusApparatus> I already have it, I just don't know how to access it now
[03:35] <RoughriderUT> AHhh
[03:35] <RoughriderUT> You have APache on also?
[03:35] <StultusApparatus> Yes
[03:35] <StultusApparatus> Apache2 if it matters
[03:35] <RoughriderUT> Hmm hang on let me look at my bookmarks
[03:36] <StultusApparatus> Okay
[03:40] <RoughriderUT> Hmm... thought I had it on the main server...  Should be localhost/phpmyadmin if I remember correctly.
[03:40] <rav> hello. i just downloaded the torrent of kubuntu 8.04 i386 and started seeding it. I also have the amd 64 image, and would like to seed it as well, but the tracker said that it wasn't authorized. how can I seed that too?
[03:41] <StultusApparatus> Okay
[03:44] <junkeR> hello everyone, why isn't Kubuntu hardy a LTS release?
[03:45] <duh> Anyone know what the kde theme manager package name is?
[03:45] <duh> I am not doing to well on search terms
[03:47] <Jucato> duh: KDE 3: Alt+F2, "kcontrol" - Appearance & Themes -> Theme Manager
[03:47] <Jucato> unless you meant the *KDM* theme manager, in which case the package name is kdmtheme
[03:48] <Jucato> junkeR: it's quite simple: because Canonical said so. it's their "tag" to give or take
[03:48] <junkeR> I wonder why they would choose xubuntu over kubuntu... oh well.  I guess you explained it well.  I was wondering if there was an internal struggle or something.
[03:49] <Jucato> nope. none at all
[03:49] <duh> It AINT there
[03:50] <duh> So something got biffed up a little
[03:50] <Jucato> duh: which "theme manager" are you looking for?
[03:50] <Jucato> (there are 2 kinds)
[03:51] <Jucato> also, it really won't be in System Settings. it's only in KControl.
[03:51] <duh> Like I knew that
[03:51] <duh> Annoying that is
[03:52] <_2> dapper recent updates have broken gdm/xorg   anyone here want to trouble shoot this ?/
[03:53] <_2> error "your session only lasted less than 10 seconds..."
[03:54] <duh> And konqueror doesn't have the build in shell emulator why?
[03:54] <Jucato> press F8
 Like I knew that <--- I did say earlier "Alt+F2, "control""
[03:54] <duh> Another this I am just supposed to know...
[03:54] <duh> UGH!
[03:55] <Dragnslcr> junkeR- the explanation that I heard is that KDE 3.5 won't be supported by the KDE team for the years that Kubuntu would need, and KDE4 isn't ready for general usage yet
[03:55] <duh> You are pissing me off, so I'll leave before I get banned
[03:55] <duh> bye
[03:55] <junkeR> is that why the support is 2009 instead of 2011 (for desktops)?
[03:56] <Dragnslcr> junkeR- that's why Kubuntu 8.04 isn't LTS, yeah
[03:56] <Dragnslcr> At least that's what I remember being told
[03:56] <_2> 6.6 is LTS   so support me !
[03:56] <_2> :)
[03:57] <Jucato> sheesh!
[03:58] <junkeR> is kde4 recommended over kde3.x?  I only briefly used kde4 when it came out.
[03:59] <engineer> err
[03:59] <engineer> so far i prefer 3
[03:59] <junkeR> why is that?
[03:59] <engineer> hmm
[03:59] <engineer> more tweakable
[03:59] <genii> Basically I hate the widget system and no rightclicking so kde3 for me
[04:00] <junkeR> I liked the upgraded konqueror though
[04:00] <junkeR> at least the little I used of it
[04:00] <Dragnslcr> KDE 4.1 is supposed to be the first general-use release
[04:01] <genii> Have both and use one or the other as you like. Then you don't have to make some this OR that choice
[04:02] <Dragnslcr> I tried beta1, and there were a couple annoying things that came right out for me. Customizing the taskbar was horrible
[04:02] <Dragnslcr> You can't move items around, you can only remove everything and re-add it in the order you want
[04:03] <_2> never mind.   i found it.       did you know that /etc/profile can cause xorg to fail ?
[04:05] <genii> Dragnslcr: Yes and if you dont add back a system tray it can be annoying
[04:31] <yurimxpxman> the sound isn't working in flash videos for me using the non-free package.. any ideas? (I'm using firefox and 8.04)
[04:35] <solifugus> I downloaded updated .deb package for virtualbox (official one is old and buggy)... how can I upgrade to this new .deb?
[04:36] <genii> solifugus: sudo dpkg -i name.deb
[04:38] <connor> hello
[04:56] <Mo0oSaH> I have this weird problem, when Amarok is  running, youtube does not play any sound and  when I am playing a video on youtube, amarok  doesn't play anything.  :(  What could be  causing that?
[04:56] <connor> how do i enable opengl?
[04:56] <crimsun_> you're not using PulseAudio in 8.04, are you?
[04:56] <crimsun_> ^ Mo0oSaH
[04:57] <Mo0oSaH> I don't know what that is ... so I guess not
[04:57] <crimsun_> Mo0oSaH: did you create an asoundrc?
[04:57] <Mo0oSaH> crimsun_: nope
[04:57] <crimsun_> Mo0oSaH: what is the arts timeout configured as?
[04:57] <crimsun_> (it should be set to 1 sec idle)
[04:57] <Mo0oSaH> crimsun_: how do I check that?
[04:58] <crimsun_> Mo0oSaH: look in system settings under audio
[04:58] <connor> How do I enable opengl?
[04:58] <crimsun_> connor: should already be enabled unless you have hardware that requires non-Free drivers.
[04:59] <connor> i enabled nvidia restricted drivers
[04:59] <crimsun_> connor: and glxinfo reports what?
[04:59] <connor> do i pastebin it?
[05:00] <crimsun_> connor: sure.
[05:00] <connor> k
[05:00] <connor> http://pastebin.org/45056
[05:01] <Mo0oSaH> cimsun_ I'm using ubuntu(gnome) can you help me find arts settings?
[05:02] <connor> any idea crimsun_?
[05:02] <crimsun_> sec, please.  busy ATM.
[05:03] <crimsun_> Mo0oSaH: if you're using GNOME on 8.04, by default you're using PulseAudio.
[05:03] <connor> k
[05:03] <Mo0oSaH> crimsun_: I guess I am then..
[05:03] <crimsun_> connor: GL is already enabled according to your pastebin.
[05:03] <connor> o
[05:03] <crimsun_> Mo0oSaH: do you have the hardy-proposed repository enabled?
[05:04] <crimsun_> Mo0oSaH: System> Administration> Software Sources> Updates> prerelease updates
[05:05] <Mo0oSaH> alright...
[05:05] <Mo0oSaH> crimsun_: I just enabled it.
[05:05] <crimsun_> Mo0oSaH: please update
[05:05] <Mo0oSaH> sudo apt-get update?
[05:06] <crimsun_> Mo0oSaH: after all those updates are installed, I'll walk you through the remaining bits
[05:06] <crimsun_> sure.
[05:06] <Mo0oSaH> crimsun_: isn't it unsafe to install all those pre-release updates?
[05:07] <crimsun_> Mo0oSaH: no, it's not.  Those updates are well vetted and simply need wider testing.  They end up in hardy-updates.
[05:08] <Mo0oSaH> alright it's downloading updates
[05:08] <Mo0oSaH> crimsun_: Do I need to do anything after updates or would that fix it?
[05:09] <crimsun_> Mo0oSaH: you need to do additional things.  I'll walk you through it; just ask me after those updates finish installing.
[05:12]  * genii sips
[05:13] <Mo0oSaH> crimsun_: I need to restart... see you in a min.
[05:17] <Mo0oSaH> crimsun_: alright I got the updates.. what's next?
[05:18] <crimsun_> Mo0oSaH: you need the latest flashplugin-nonfree and libasound2-plugins
[05:19] <Mo0oSaH> got them both
[05:19] <Mo0oSaH> crimsun_: ^
[05:22] <Mo0oSaH> crimsun_: hello?
[05:25] <crimsun_> Mo0oSaH: sec, I'm discussing some source package issues.
[05:27] <crimsun_> Mo0oSaH: ok, so which versions of those packages did you install?
[05:27] <Mo0oSaH> the latest
[05:28] <crimsun_> Mo0oSaH: ok, I need something more precise than that answer.  Try:  dpkg -l libasound2-plugins flashplugin-nonfree|grep ^ii
[05:28] <Agent_bob> !worksforme
[05:30] <morghanphoenix> Login via SASL (LOGIN) failed. The server may not support LOGIN, or the password may be wrong.
[05:30] <morghanphoenix> The server said: "not supported y11pf2912609pod.0"
[05:30] <Mo0oSaH> crimsun_: for flashplugin_nonfree its 9.0.124.0ubuntu2
[05:30] <morghanphoenix> That's from kmail, any ideas as to what that is?
[05:30] <Mo0oSaH> crimsun_: for libasound2 it's 1.0.16-0
[05:30] <crimsun_> Mo0oSaH: ok, your version of flashplugin-nonfree is too old
[05:30] <crimsun_> sec.
[05:30] <morghanphoenix> The server supports login, and I was using it just fine earlier, I did install privoxy if that might be the problem?
[05:34] <crimsun_> Mo0oSaH: are you on i386 or amd64?
[05:34] <Mo0oSaH> i386
[05:35] <crimsun_> Mo0oSaH: ok, then you need to download and install http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnomefreak/ubuntu/pool/main/f/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-nonfree_10.0.1.218ubuntu1~8.04~mt_i386.deb
[05:37] <Mo0oSaH> ok
[05:37] <Mo0oSaH> crimsun_: done
[05:38] <crimsun_> Mo0oSaH: now, in a terminal/konsole:  asoundconf set-pulseaudio
[05:39] <Mo0oSaH> crimsun_: ok
[05:40] <crimsun_> Mo0oSaH: restart your web browser
[05:40] <crimsun_> Mo0oSaH: you should be able to hear both Flash applets and amarok concurrently.
[05:40] <Mo0oSaH> lemme try
[05:41] <Mo0oSaH> crimsun_: It works! thanks
[05:41] <Mo0oSaH> crimsun_: one question though, should I remove that repository now?
[05:41] <crimsun_> Mo0oSaH: if you wish, sure.
[05:42] <crimsun_> it's quite safe to use it, however.
[05:42] <Agent_bob> my xorg hurts
[05:42] <Mo0oSaH> crimsun_: alright. thank you so much for taking the time to help me
[05:42] <crimsun_> stop banging it against a brick wall
[05:42] <crimsun_> Mo0oSaH: yw
[05:43] <Agent_bob> tree stump
[05:43] <Agent_bob> crimsun_ i did the stupidest thing,  i ran apt-get upgrade
[05:44] <Agent_bob> why do patches always break something else ?
[05:44] <crimsun_> ...they don't.  What precisely are the symptoms?
[05:44] <Agent_bob> it never seems to fix the problem, only shifts it some where else.
[05:45] <Agent_bob> crimsun_ some apps wont run now.   fail with "unable to init. fonts"
[05:46] <crimsun_> Agent_bob: which apps?
[05:47] <Agent_bob> some games   vlc    idk  wesnoth for example doesn't even try to start now,  and i was in the midle of a campaign before i upgraded...
[05:47] <Agent_bob> things like that put a burr under your sadle
[05:48] <crimsun_> Agent_bob: please pastebin the console spew from vlc when you invoke it from a konsole.
[05:48] <Agent_bob> let me start a gui again.
[05:49] <Agent_bob> gui is hosed somewhat too.
[05:50] <Agent_bob> after i get in   only way out is three fingures of SaLute!
[05:51] <Agent_bob> vlc opened that time.    maybe copying the   ~/.fonts.cache-1 file over did help.
[05:53] <Agent_bob> wesnoth is still hosed though.   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=ddfdb91b   theres what it does now.
[05:56] <Agent_bob> crimsun_ vlc puked on itself tho,  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d16565fa5
[05:57] <Agent_bob> that's not related though,   maybe.
[06:01] <crimsun_> Agent_bob: and this occurred after an xserver-xorg-core update?
[06:01] <Agent_bob> yeah another disk and it's working.   so the fonts issue is partially cleard up by adding a ~/.fonts.cache-1
[06:01] <Agent_bob> crimsun_ yessir    actualy full    apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade      still dapper LTS.
[06:02] <Agent_bob> and xserver-xorg-core was one of the packages updated.
[06:02] <Agent_bob> however i downgraded that package and it didn't seem to help.
[06:02] <crimsun_> Agent_bob: err... it's still 6.06?
[06:02] <Agent_bob> yes.
[06:03] <crimsun_> Agent_bob: can you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf, please?
[06:03] <Agent_bob> sure.  give me a sec.
[06:03] <Agent_bob> pasting file /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:03] <Agent_bob> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d3951303c
[06:04] <Agent_bob> there is nothing changed in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf  but i'll post it if you want.
[06:04] <Agent_bob> pasting file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:04] <Agent_bob> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d52204d0f
[06:05] <crimsun_> are you intentionally using the Free nv driver?
[06:06] <Agent_bob> yeah  my card is not supported any other way
[06:06] <Agent_bob> well that and   vesa  of course.
[06:06] <crimsun_> Agent_bob: ok, so does `sudo fc-cache -f -v' affect anything?
[06:06] <birnisson> hi, can I check my disk to make sure kubuntu doesn't check it next time I boot?
[06:07] <Agent_bob> crimsun_ umm does that have to be sudo ?    no can sudo.
[06:07] <crimsun_> Agent_bob: yes
[06:07] <Agent_bob> i can run it as root
[06:07] <birnisson> I have a conference to go to and don't want any surprises there :)
[06:07] <Agent_bob> but can't sudo it.
[06:07] <crimsun_> sure, that would work, too.
[06:07] <Agent_bob> k
[06:08] <Agent_bob> fc-cache: succeeded
[06:08] <Agent_bob> want the full three page output ?
[06:08] <Agent_bob> no affect in the gui
[06:09] <crimsun_> Agent_bob: ok, so restarting vlc still fails?
[06:09] <Agent_bob> yup
[06:10] <ORLOOCO> tem alguem canal que seja usado apenas para bate papo? o IRC deixou de ser usado para esse fim ?
[06:11] <crimsun_> and what is $LANG?
[06:11] <Agent_bob> C
[06:11] <crimsun_> ...instead of .._UTF-8?  hmm.
[06:11] <Agent_bob> LANG=C
[06:11] <Agent_bob> LANGUAGE=C
[06:11] <Agent_bob> LC_ALL=C
[06:12] <crimsun_> (trying to remember how to regenerate locales)
[06:12] <crimsun_> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[06:14] <Agent_bob> no change.
[06:14] <crimsun_> did it regenerate the .._UTF-8 locales?
[06:14] <Agent_bob>   en_HK.UTF-8... up-to-date  <<< several of those.
[06:15] <crimsun_> is that the intended locale?
[06:15] <crimsun_> e.g., I have en_US.UTF-8
[06:15] <Agent_bob> no just saying it did several locals all with the same ".. up-to-date"  ending
[06:15] <crimsun_> i.e., why are LANG, LANGUAGE, and LC_ALL being (re)set to C?
[06:16] <crimsun_> I presume you set them thusly?
[06:16] <Agent_bob> ummm yeah in /etc/environment
[06:16] <crimsun_> why specifically?
[06:17] <Agent_bob> that's not changed tho
[06:17] <Agent_bob> so that's a non-issus
[06:17] <crimsun_> it is for those vlc errors
[06:17] <Agent_bob> because lc_all=c "just works" :)
[06:18] <Agent_bob> and vlc worked fine before i upgraded.  same settings so that's not it.
[06:18] <crimsun_> but if you switched locales after you upgraded, that could be an issue.
[06:18] <Agent_bob> i didn't though.
[06:18] <crimsun_> anyhow, sure, if you're confident that locales have nothing to do with it, then I need some fontconfig debug spew.  Hopefully from ~/.xsession-errors.
[06:19] <Agent_bob> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d59a3ddc5
[06:20] <munk_> can someone tell me where the shutdown log is or help me because my computer doesnt shutdown completly, i have to press the powerbutton again to shut it off....as if it cant stop a service or something help please
[06:21] <Agent_bob> looks like nothing useful in that.
[06:21] <crimsun_> Agent_bob: ~/.fonts* aren't recursively chowned root, are they?
[06:21] <candive> Hi all first time with KDE where is update manager?
[06:22] <Agent_bob> there are two files that match ~/.font*  both are mine.
[06:22] <crimsun_> candive: adept.
[06:22] <Agent_bob> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=dbb856d9
[06:22] <munk_> candive go to kde(start) - system - update manager
[06:22] <crimsun_> Agent_bob: ok, ltrace vlc
[06:23] <crimsun_> Agent_bob: I won't be present to look until tomorrow, sorry
[06:23] <candive> got it thank you very much
[06:23] <Agent_bob> Error: Unable to initialize gtk, is DISPLAY set properly?
[06:23] <Agent_bob> bingo.
[06:26] <Agent_bob> vlc is fixed.
[06:27] <Agent_bob> wesnoth is still borked   so there is a second problem.
[06:27] <munk_> can someone tell me where the shutdown log is or help me because my computer doesnt shutdown completly, i have to press the powerbutton again to shut it off....as if it cant stop a service or something help please
[06:28] <Agent_bob> the differance in error output should have tipped me off to that anyway.
[06:28] <Agent_bob> munk_ in /var/log/
[06:28] <Agent_bob> not sure where in there you'll find what you want though.
[06:30] <Agent_bob> i'm going to upgrade a second box.   "and watch it break things too."   with clean logs.
[06:39]  * Trax_ hello everyone !
[06:42] <Trax_> so many people, and no one has something to say ? :)
[06:50] <yarddog> where would i find the preferred applications option? ive looked in the control center to no avail
[06:50] <yarddog> to make sure firefox is default over kong
[07:00] <Apples> Hey, I was wondering which folder is the usual one for compiling programs in, I think it was /usr/local/share/applications but I'm not sure
[07:09] <emilsedgh> Apples: standard prefix is /usr
[07:10] <Apples> Sorry?
[07:11] <flaccid_> um you can compile stuff whereever you want to
[07:11] <flaccid_> emilsedgh: i think Apples was meaning which work folder
[07:11] <emilsedgh> ah
[07:12] <Apples> I know, but isn't there a prefered folder for compiling applications in ?
[07:12] <Apples> Yep, sorry, I might not have been that clear about what I was asking
[07:12] <Jucato> Linux Filesystem Heirarchy Standard...
[07:13] <Jucato> for personal programs, it doesn't matter much. /usr/local, /opt, or $HOME
[07:16] <Apples> Oh ok, thanks I didn't think of looking at the Linux Filesystem Heirachy Standard. I realized that you could compile it anywhere, but I wanted it to be neat, clean and organized haha^^
[07:16] <flaccid_> where in heir does it say ?
[07:16] <flaccid_> hier i mean
[07:17] <flaccid_> i cannot see
[07:17] <Apples> 4.8.2
[07:18] <flaccid_> ?
[07:20] <Apples> Hm, what were you asking for again ?
[07:20] <flaccid_> i am looking an man hier and it says nothing about where to compile programs
[07:20] <flaccid_> an=in
[07:21] <Apples> Oh, I just grabbed a pdf of it off the interbews
[07:21] <Apples> I'll get the link if you want ?
[07:21] <flaccid_> sure thanks. still in man hier it doesn't specify..
[07:21] <Jucato> flaccid_: the FHS doesn't care where you *compile* the programs. only where you *install* them to
[07:21] <Apples> http://www.pathname.com/fhs/
[07:21] <flaccid_> Jucato: yes i know, thats my point. the original question was the former..
[07:22]  * Jucato doesn't think that's what Apples meant
[07:22] <flaccid_> is it Apples?
[07:23] <Apples> Well I'm just trying compile blender from source, and install it (I know they are different, but I thought runing make install did both)
[07:23] <flaccid_> but was your question about where to compile or where to install?
[07:24] <Apples> Well I wasn't compiling my own code, and it was so I could install it
[07:25] <flaccid_> um that doesn't really answer the question. is it where to install or where to compile?
[07:25] <Apples> where to install, it shouldn't matter where I compile it
[07:25] <flaccid_> yeah. and the make script should already set that according to hier
[07:25]  * Jucato twiddles thumbs
[07:25] <flaccid_> sorry if i take people's questions literally, i work to a science
[07:26] <flaccid_> goodbye
[07:26] <Apples> Thanks for your help, flaccid : )
[07:27] <Apples> And yours too Jucato : )
[07:27] <Jucato> ^_^
[07:28] <Apples> ^-^ almost thought I forgot about you
[07:31] <SilentDis> hello :)
[07:31] <Jucato> hi silent death
[07:33] <SilentDis> just curious... is there any way to 'patch' a Kubuntu 8.04 CD/DVD with updated debs?  i want to help a friend install, and don't wanna make them go through the pain of trying to install all the updates (they're on dialup).  would it just be better to hand them an original Kubuntu 8.04 and burn off my local apt repo?
[07:33] <SilentDis> or do an apt-on-cd cd or the like?
[07:33] <alucardromero> Install Kubuntu on a flash drive.
[07:33] <alucardromero> Boot from USB
[07:34] <alucardromero> If your motherboard supports booting from USB.
[07:34] <alucardromero> In a more broken down sense...
[07:34] <SilentDis> that's an idea... but i'd rather hand them CDs they can keep
[07:35] <SilentDis> just go the apt-cd route then I guess?
[07:35] <Appless> So extract the file to folder x, run .configure, then make, then make install and then I can deleate the folder and files and the program will be fine ?
[07:36] <alucardromero> Install Kubuntu yourself on said flash drive (given the flash drive is big enough).
[07:36] <alucardromero> Download/install updates.
[07:36] <alucardromero> Take flash drive to computer
[07:36] <alucardromero> Configure BIOS to boot from USB.
[07:36] <alucardromero> Kubuntu should load from flash drive.
[07:36] <alucardromero> Make take a while longer because Linux has to re-configure itself for the computer you are running.
[07:36] <SilentDis> !usb
[07:41] <SilentDis> I <3 netsplits :P
[07:42] <Jucato> yes.. they are the "Silent Deaths"
[07:42] <SilentDis> I am the city in hell... just... quieter, without the screaming and such :D
[07:43] <SilentDis> i guess it's kinda scary that i've named my various boxen after the demons that control some of the levels lol
[07:45] <SilentDis> !aptoncd
[07:46] <SilentDis> sue me, i'm lazy lol
[08:29] <Mo0oSaH> crimsun_: Are you there?  Every now and then my firefox crashes when I click on youtube videos
[08:34] <jsilverman2> hi guys
[08:34] <jsilverman2> anyone awake
[08:47] <Count> I feel like such an idiot
[08:47] <Count> I'm pretty sure fsck has deleted my user data
[09:05] <nuvan> anyone got any idea why my sound would be very quiet?
[09:07] <CostaRicanQuaker> question: I am a windows user, I have always been a windows user, I want to install kubuntu
[09:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i go about doing this. first, can i burn the iso file
[09:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> onto a cdrw
[09:08] <nuvan> yes you can.  I did that not an hour ago
[09:09] <nuvan> you'll need a program such as Nero, PowerISO, or something else that can actually handle burning of ISO images, since windows can't do that itself
[09:09] <nuvan> once it's burned though, you can boot to the disc, and try it out some before making any changes to your computer
[09:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> i've nero
[09:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> but can i make a boot disk with a CDRW?
[09:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> I want to install it
[09:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> that's the other thing
[09:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> I want to make three partitions
[09:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> one for kubuntu
[09:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> one for windows
[09:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> and another one
[09:12] <CostaRicanQuaker> and have access to the files within each regardless of the OS i'm using
[09:12] <CostaRicanQuaker> i don't know how to make a partition
[09:12] <CostaRicanQuaker> and i don't want ot lose my windows files
[09:13] <nuvan> do you only have one physical hard drive to work with?
[09:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> nuvan: yes
[09:15] <nuvan> right.  in nero, IIRC, if you open the burning rom app, go to the recorder menu, and choose the "burn image" menu item. that should allow you to select the ISO image and burn it directly to the disc.  no special prep needed for making it bootable, that's done automatically.
[09:16] <nuvan> when you boot to the ubuntu live CD environment, there will be a shortcut on the desktop to install it.  you can go through that to install, but BE CAREFUL.  if you make the wrong choice, you can nuke your windows data.
[09:16] <CostaRicanQuaker> nero, IIRC? what's that...i mean i have the program nero an old version
[09:17] <nuvan> IIRC = If I Recall Correctly
[09:17] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok i open nero
[09:17] <nuvan> basically, open the main nero window.  in the menus up at the top, look for one titled "Recorder".  in there, there should be an entry called "burn image"
[09:18] <CostaRicanQuaker> a)download image file
[09:18] <CostaRicanQuaker> i've got several categories, first is data>data disc>bootable disc then copy enitre disc and disc image or saved project
[09:19] <nuvan> cancel that window.
[09:20] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do you mean? tht's nero...which should i pick?
[09:20] <nuvan> what's the disc image entry?
[09:21] <CostaRicanQuaker> record a disc from an image previously saved to the hardrive
[09:21] <nuvan> that's the one you'll be wanting then
[09:23] <CostaRicanQuaker> will a a rewritable cdr work?
[09:23] <nuvan> yep, that's what I used
[09:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> should i learn to use freebsd? someone told me i should learn that first to "get it" as it's the hardest tolearn of all the distros
[09:27] <lg188> !dutch
[09:31] <CostaRicanQuaker> nuvan?
[09:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i download the image and then copy that unto the cd
[09:37] <lg188> yes
[09:38] <lg188> othe image you better usean good programme for that
[09:38] <Dr_willis_> Under windows theres some very good programs specifically designed to burn .iso images to disk.
[09:38] <Dr_willis_> i like 'burn at once' theres others :)
[09:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'm using nero
[09:38] <Dr_willis_> Nero can do it.  YOu need to use the menu items to burn image to disk.. I think its called.
[09:38] <Dr_willis_>  I like The other tools. because they just do that one job. :) so its a little easier to do.
[09:39] <Dr_willis_> !iso
[09:39] <Dr_willis_> Hmm theres a factoid with a list of iso tools.
[09:39] <Dr_willis_> !burn
[09:39] <CostaRicanQuaker> what about the freebsd issue?
[09:39] <CostaRicanQuaker> should i try to learn that?
[09:39] <Dr_willis_> Not heard of any freebsd 'issue'
[09:39] <CostaRicanQuaker> to really "get it" kubuntu that is
[09:39] <CostaRicanQuaker> i mean
[09:39] <CostaRicanQuaker> a friend toldme
[09:39] <CostaRicanQuaker> i should learn that first
[09:39] <CostaRicanQuaker> to really get it
[09:40] <CostaRicanQuaker> before i switch to kubuntu
[09:40] <CostaRicanQuaker> that freebsd is the hardest tolearn
[09:40] <CostaRicanQuaker> distro
[09:40] <Dr_willis_> I dont see how it would help. Learning the Unix/command line fundamentals - would help in both cases.
[09:40] <stdin> freebsd is not even linux
[09:40] <Dr_willis_> It pays to learn the fundamentals. and learn how to learn/research/troubleshoot.
[09:41] <CostaRicanQuaker> what is freebsd then?
[09:41] <stdin> it's a BSD
[09:41] <Dr_willis_> !bsd
[09:41] <Dr_willis_> !linux
[09:42] <stdin> Linux and BSD are both Unix-like operating systems
[09:42] <Dr_willis_> BSD is not using the linux kernel. Its similer in ways and uses a lot of the same tools. but its not linux. :)
[09:42] <Dr_willis_> Yea 'Unix-like' :) then ya got to ask 'whats unix' :) and now its time to get to the 'learn how to learn/research' fundamental.
[09:43] <stdin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix :)
[09:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> so kde and kubuntu are based on linux
[09:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> not on unix
[09:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> and linux is also not based on unix...RIGHT!?
[09:43] <connor> kubuntu is kde based
[09:43] <connor> linux IS based on unix
[09:44] <connor> Personally I use ubuntu because I like gnome
[09:44] <stdin> and you can run KDE on BSD too
[09:44] <Dr_willis_> The thing to rember about linux/(and unix in general) it that it tends to be 'layers' of 'software' on layers, :)
[09:44] <Dr_willis_> Kde on top of X, on top of the core of the of, with the linux kernel at the bottom.
[09:44] <Dr_willis_> Bsd can have X and KDE, and  so on also.
[09:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> so wait, if kubuntu is based on kde and ubuntu and hteyre based on linux and linux is based on unix
[09:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> then how would it hurt learning unix?
[09:45] <Dr_willis_> CostaRicanQuaker,  kde is a desktop.
[09:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> or is it a big waste of time and energy for a beginer?
[09:45] <Dr_willis_> and it does NOT hurt to learn unix. if you use/learn linux. in many ways you ARE learning UNIX.
[09:45] <Dr_willis_> at least parts of UNIX.
[09:45] <stdin> BSD has a different tool set to most Linux variants
[09:46] <Dr_willis_> I have a great many UNIX referance books in my Linux Library.
[09:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i can start by kubuntu
[09:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> or should i?
[09:46] <connor> CostaRicanQuaker: doyou prefer gnome or kde?
[09:47] <Dr_willis_> CostaRicanQuaker,  you have to start somewhere dont you. :)
[09:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> i am switching to kubuntu  because i met riddell ocne and it seemed like a good idea
[09:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> i tried it years ago
[09:47] <Dr_willis_> CostaRicanQuaker,  you plan on hitting the Hard-core slopes, or the bunny slopes first when you start skiing? :)
[09:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> but then ended up not using it
[09:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> now, i want ot switch from windows xp
[09:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> to an open source
[09:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> distro
[09:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> but i want ot learn
[09:47] <Dr_willis_> The state of Linux over the last 3+ years has grown up expotentially. :)
[09:48] <Dr_willis_> Kubuntu wont stop you from learning.
[09:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> i will start by learning kubuntu then i guess
[09:48] <Dr_willis_> My bash, and vi, and sed/awk/perl/ books/knowledge will still apply to a  unix system, or bse
[09:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> it seems the simplest
[09:48] <Dr_willis_> learning the Kde desktop will take  just a day or 2. :) then some time to get used to it.
[09:49] <Dr_willis_> its the layers below the desktop that often are the most fun/profitable to learn about.
[09:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> are these the "commands"?
[09:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> i mean i want my girlfriend and i
[09:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> to start using kubuntu together
[09:49] <Dr_willis_> thats the goal of ubuntu/kubuntu - make a linux disrto that an 'average' person can use.
[09:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> but i've never understood all these commands that i remember were necessary
[09:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> in kubuntu
[09:50] <Dr_willis_> If you want to dig deeper under the hood you can.
[09:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> i want ot dig deeper
[09:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> so that if eventually
[09:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> she uses it
[09:50] <Dr_willis_> start with installing kubuntu, then read a few guides on bash, for a start.
[09:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> i can take care of it
[09:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> bash?
[09:50] <Dr_willis_> !bash
[09:50] <Dr_willis_> rember the golden rule.. google, and wiki pages are our friend. :)
[09:50] <mushuu>  rm -fr /* lùl
[09:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> is it possible to run a system
[09:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> without a desktop enviornment
[09:51] <stdin> mushuu: why did you post that?
[09:51] <Dr_willis_> CostaRicanQuaker,  of course.
[09:51] <Dr_willis_> CostaRicanQuaker,  rember the layers upon layers analogy. :)
[09:51] <mushuu> i'd like to know why some people want me to type that
[09:52] <Dr_willis_> mushuu,  they are trying to mess up your system. dont use that command.
[09:52] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do you keep something in the background like a msn type program and open a folder and browse the internet without...windows or minimizing
[09:52] <mushuu> ouch
[09:52] <mushuu> thx :)
[09:52] <Dr_willis_> CostaRicanQuaker,   the bash shell has full multitasking abilities.
[09:52] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i could be doing all of these things and it would look like what? MSDOS-like'
[09:53] <Dr_willis_> CostaRicanQuaker,  this has been around for   years. :) since 1986 and probery earlier.
[09:53] <Dr_willis_> CostaRicanQuaker,  all  command line interfaces. is pretty much similer - they are just text. :)
[09:53] <Dr_willis_> type a command.. get output.. next command..  then you can get creative
[09:53] <stdin> except DOS is dumb
[09:54] <Dr_willis_> I recall freedos (or was it drdos) had multitasking DOS features. :)
[09:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> can one run kubuntu in such way?
[09:54] <ausage> One can run all *nix systems that way CostaRicanQuaker
[09:54] <Dr_willis_> CostaRicanQuaker,  Kubuntu = linux kernel + ubuntu + the kde desktop.. YOu just dotn run the desktop.. = you got just the shell.
[09:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> cool
[09:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> so if there's a problem
[09:55] <Dr_willis_> You could set up a minimal system with just the kernel, and a shell.
[09:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> i can go directly to the core of things and fix it without colours or girly things on the screen?
[09:55] <Dr_willis_> YOu can always fall back to the lower layers. Ie the shell, to do work/trouble shooting.
[09:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> great
[09:55] <Dr_willis_> if  You know how to fix somthing. :)
[09:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> do i download the .iso file like any regular file?
[09:55] <Dr_willis_> vs. winbdows.. where you just try weirs stuff.. and try to fix things in random/odd ways and lots of prayer.
[09:56] <Dr_willis_> the iso file is a normal file. its how you BURN it to cd that matters
[09:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> well, i look at this like the straight edge/vegan thing, a lifelong commitment
[09:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> so eventually i'll learn all of this unless i give up
[09:56] <Dr_willis_> Linux is a tool. YOu dont master every tool in 10 min.
[09:56] <Dr_willis_> Even the best carpenter, still hits his thumb every so often. :)
[09:57] <CostaRicanQuaker> i mean
[09:57] <CostaRicanQuaker> a lifetime
[09:57] <CostaRicanQuaker> that's what imean...by thetime i'm dead
[09:57]  * ausage smiles (been there, done that... ouch)
[09:57] <CostaRicanQuaker> or my girlfriend dies
[09:57] <CostaRicanQuaker> i should be able to fix both our computers
[09:57] <CostaRicanQuaker> right?
[09:57] <Dr_willis_> Given the # of OS's ive used over my lifetime...
[09:57] <Dr_willis_> depends on whats broke. :)
[09:58] <CostaRicanQuaker> is there anything better than kubuntu?
[09:58] <CostaRicanQuaker> how many distros have you used before kubuntu?
[09:58] <Dr_willis_> the Top issue ive had with Linux right now, is with 'very new' hardware. not being well supported. If you research your machines/hardware. Then its not much of an issue.
[09:58] <Dr_willis_> what Disrto to use - depends on your needs. Each tend tobe a little different focused.
[09:59] <Dr_willis_> Kubuntu/Ubuntu so far have been the 'best' for my needs on my Laptop.
[09:59] <ausage> Depends on what you want to do with it CostaRicanQuaker... I have used many distros, but have settled on Kubuntu as my preference.
[09:59] <Dr_willis_> I also use PuppyLinux for specific needs.
[09:59] <CostaRicanQuaker> wait, so if she gets a new laptop, kubuntu won't install'
[09:59] <CostaRicanQuaker> ?*
[09:59] <Dr_willis_> I just installed Kubuntu on my New laptop :)
[09:59] <Dr_willis_> took a little work to get the wireless going.. but its all working now. i think.
[09:59] <CostaRicanQuaker> then i shouldn't worry about hardware being incompatible?
[09:59] <Dr_willis_> I need to check about the webcam.
[10:00] <Dr_willis_> CostaRicanQuaker,  it can be an issue. Theres no getting around that. It all depends on the specifi hardware
[10:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok, how do i make mirc log onto this server and chatroom by default
[10:00] <Dr_willis_> I dont use mIRC. i use other irc clients.
[10:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> but most hardware will run with kubuntu
[10:00] <ausage> You need to take care... An easy way to find out is to boot the live CD... If that works, then Kubuntu will install
[10:00] <Dr_willis_> I have very few hardware issues . but theres lots of hardware out there.
[10:01] <Dr_willis_> !hardware
[10:01] <ausage> Major hardware problems I have encountered are with "made for Windows" devices...
[10:01] <Dr_willis_> right now the top hardware 'issues' in the chat rooms, are Wireless cards, video, and sound.
[10:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> if my girl's computer is sort of old
[10:01] <Dr_willis_> ages ago 'winmodems' where the big issue. and cd burners.
[10:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> it's likely that kubuntu will work on it right
[10:01] <Dr_willis_> old - is often good for linux. :)
[10:02] <Dr_willis_> define old. I have some 20+ yr old machines in the garrage. heh
[10:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> great
[10:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> i like that ideology
[10:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> my girl for example
[10:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> she's 23 years older than i am
[10:02] <Dr_willis_> Ive ran Ubuntu on a Pent 1 - 100mhxz laptop.
[10:02] <Dr_willis_> 0_o
[10:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> what are the advantages of kubuntu? despite my probably not understanding it at this stage
[10:03] <Dr_willis_> Kubuntu is Ubuntu , with KDE installed by default, instead of gnome.
[10:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> i assume gnome is another type of desktop?
[10:04] <Dr_willis_>  'ubuntu' is a Linux disrto designed to be useable by the common user, check ubuntu homepage for more specific 'design goals'
[10:04] <Dr_willis_> !gnome
[10:04] <ausage> Advantages vs other Linux distros or Windows CostaRicanQuaker
[10:04] <Dr_willis_> And its TRIVIAL to have GNome and kde both on the same machine. :) you just pick what one to use at login.
[10:04] <Dr_willis_> so the gnome vs kde - argument is pointless.. YOu can try them both and use what you like. She may like gnome, you may like kde.
[10:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> ausage: windows vs kubuntu and kubuntu vs distros
[10:06] <Dr_willis_> On any of my linux machines . I always have gnome and kde.  Theres too many good apps from one or the other - that i like. for me to not have both.
[10:07] <CostaRicanQuaker> on this page http://ftp.ucr.ac.cr/ubuntu-cd/kubuntu/hardy/ which link do i click on to download the alternate install pc?
[10:07] <Dr_willis_> Theres dozens of web sites with Linux vs windows type  'arguments' :)
[10:07] <CostaRicanQuaker> so basiclaly the only thing that changes from kde to gnome is the look?
[10:07] <ausage> vs windows... Total cost of software on my systems = $0... Limitation... I can't play the latest and greatest win games... then again I have never tried...
[10:07] <Dr_willis_> http://ftp.ucr.ac.cr/ubuntu-cd/kubuntu/hardy/kubuntu-8.04-alternate-i386.iso
[10:07] <Dr_willis_> CostaRicanQuaker,  not just the look, but the feel.
[10:08] <Dr_willis_> thats weird.  :) i was able to drag/drop the URL link from firefox to xchat... nevre done that befor.. heh
[10:08] <ausage> vs windows... average time between system crashes = 6 months or longer...
[10:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> do i just save the file onto any random folder or create a folder for where i'm downloading hte iso to?
[10:08] <vanoseva> Hi ^^
[10:08] <Dr_willis_> CostaRicanQuaker,  err..you are going to burn it to iso anyway.. so it dosent matter where you save it to,
[10:09] <Dr_willis_> just rember where. :)
[10:09] <ausage> vs other distros: Stable... Regular updates... Large base of apps available...
[10:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> kubuntu will be there in 50years right?
[10:09] <ausage> vs other distros: Simple install procedure
[10:10] <Dr_willis_> Ubuntu vs windows - > http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/linux/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199201179   seems detailed
[10:10] <Dr_willis_> CostaRicanQuaker,  no idea.. LINUX will most likely be here in 50 years...
[10:10] <Dr_willis_> in 50 years i will be 90 yrs old. :)
[10:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> but it's better i learn kubuntu first and hten linux right?
[10:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> you're five years younger than my girl
[10:11] <Dr_willis_> CostaRicanQuaker,  there really is no learning  one OR the other.. the core underlaying fundamentals , like the shell and so forth..knowledge is applicable to both os's
[10:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> it says it'll be downloading for one hour and 40 min
[10:11] <Dr_willis_> If you learn bash, you will know bash on all os's that have bash. :)
[10:11] <ausage> Who knows CostaRicanQuaker.... Unix has been around about 50 years, Windows just under 20, Linux the same..
[10:12] <CostaRicanQuaker> bash was like the type of console where you type commands right? like if i was tank in the matrix
[10:12] <Dr_willis_> !bash
[10:13] <Dr_willis_> Bash is thestandard 'shell' on most linux distros
[10:13] <ausage> bash is the most popular command line shell CostaRicanQuaker... Every *nix runs it
[10:13] <Dr_willis_> Bash is the default shell on most GNU/Linux systems as well as on Mac OS X and it can be run on most Unix-like operating systems.
[10:13] <Dr_willis_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bash
[10:13] <CostaRicanQuaker> !*nix
[10:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> ?
[10:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> what's *nix
[10:14] <ausage> *nix = Unix like
[10:14] <Dr_willis_> * = a wildcard. :)
[10:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> so all of these depend on unix?
[10:14] <ausage> Covers all the varieties if unix and similar systems.
[10:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> like windows on msdos?
[10:14] <Dr_willis_> They are all similerto/ideas taken from Unix
[10:15] <Dr_willis_> Windows has not been depending on DOS since  XP, i belive..
[10:15]  * Dr_willis_ dosent want to start that old argument again. :)
[10:15] <CostaRicanQuaker> dr willis: what country are you in? it's 3:17 am where i'm at
[10:15] <Dr_willis_> its 5 am here.
[10:15] <CostaRicanQuaker> where?
[10:15] <Dr_willis_> I am in Indiana. USA
[10:15] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'm in costa rica
[10:15] <CostaRicanQuaker> great
[10:15] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i can ask your guidance if i come here with doubts
[10:17] <Dr_willis_> Im in here all the time..but at THIS specific time i am normally at work.
[10:17] <Dr_willis_> Its the weekend. :)
[10:17] <CostaRicanQuaker> will ibe able to do everything i can do in windows
[10:17] <CostaRicanQuaker> with kubuntu?
[10:17] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'm concerned mostly about p2p file sharing
[10:17] <CostaRicanQuaker> and i remmeber that somehow with some emulator or something years ago
[10:18] <CostaRicanQuaker> i was able to open my mp3s in the windows partition from kubuntu
[10:18] <Dr_willis_> I can play most anything ive ever been able to track down/download  - under Linux just fine.
[10:18] <ausage> p2p is easy
[10:19] <Dr_willis_> I can play more videos under linux then i can under windows actually. :)
[10:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> what's sh?
[10:19] <ausage> sh = bourne shell
[10:19] <Dr_willis_> sh is  the default 'system' shell, a less feature full shell.
[10:19] <ausage> bash = borne again shell
[10:19] <Dr_willis_> under kubuntu/ubuntu 'dash' is the specific sh variant used.
[10:20] <ausage> ksh = korn shell
[10:20] <Dr_willis_> many other disrtos use 'bash' as their system shell.
[10:21] <CostaRicanQuaker> ausage: where are you locateD?
[10:21] <ausage> Toronto
[10:22] <ausage> I maintain a bunch of Linux servers for small business here...
[10:23] <CostaRicanQuaker> cool
[10:23] <CostaRicanQuaker> my former girl was from peterborough ontario
[10:23] <ausage> It's an easy job and I can work from home...
[10:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> "Shell scripts written with Bash-specific features (bashisms) will not function on a system using the Bourne shell or one of its replacements"
[10:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> i don't get that
[10:24] <Dr_willis_> BASH has features not in the normal bourne shell
[10:25] <ausage> It called evolution... the bourne shell was the first shell... then came the csh shell... then ksh... then bash...
[10:25] <CostaRicanQuaker> is kubuntu better than ubuntu or they're both the same? what's the dif?
[10:25] <Dr_willis_> thus if you use bash specific features..
[10:25] <Dr_willis_> CostaRicanQuaker,  kubuntu = ubuntu + kde instead of gnome.
[10:25] <Dr_willis_> so its just the desktop 'layer' thats different
[10:25] <CostaRicanQuaker> what do you mean by feel dr willis?
[10:25] <Dr_willis_> Go get a gnome live cd, and a kde live cd. and try them both out.. or just install gnome and kde both on your system. and try each one.
[10:26] <ausage> The only diff is the windowing system... and as Dr_willis said its easy to run both
[10:26] <Dr_willis_> Its allthe little differances  in a desktop. :)
[10:26] <Dr_willis_> I perfer kde. but some of the gnome configuration tools are better designed.
[10:26]  * ausage agrees with Dr_willis
[10:26] <Dr_willis_> CostaRicanQuaker,  also there ARE alternatives to gnome and kde. :) Ive been running 'jwm' and the 'rox desktop' lately
[10:27] <Dr_willis_> Linux does not tie you down - like windows does.
[10:27] <ausage> One of the advantages of Linux is choice...
[10:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> so theyre all ubuntu at the core
[10:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> and have a different look
[10:27] <llutz> Moin
[10:27] <Dr_willis_> CostaRicanQuaker,  there are a dozen+ ubuntu variants
[10:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> and "feel" whatever that means
[10:27] <Dr_willis_> they have different 'desktops'
[10:27] <ausage> That's about it CostaRicanQuaker
[10:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> which is hte simplest?
[10:27] <Dr_willis_> and you could install any of those desktops on the same machine
[10:28] <Dr_willis_> gnome claims its simpiler.. others claim gnome is so simple its crippled.
[10:28] <ausage> KDE functions and looks very similar to Windows...
[10:28] <Dr_willis_> So i always install both gnome and kde.
[10:28] <CostaRicanQuaker> is there a place where i can look at screenshots of both?
[10:28] <CostaRicanQuaker> windowslike is good for my girl
[10:28] <Dr_willis_> ya got windows, ya got a panel, ya got a button with list of apps... :)
[10:28] <CostaRicanQuaker> she's used windows allher life
[10:28] <Dr_willis_> gnome-look.org  kde-look.org
[10:30] <ausage> Another advantage of Linux = source code is available so if you want to tweak it or change it or fix it .,.. you can
[10:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> what do youmean by crippled ?
[10:31] <Dr_willis_> lacking in features
[10:32] <Dr_willis_> very often simple = made simple by removing  options
[10:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> such as?
[10:34] <Dr_willis_> Go get both and see for yourself.
[10:34] <CostaRicanQuaker> will i need a huge screen for this?
[10:34] <Dr_willis_> for what exactly?
[10:34] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'm just concerned about which ismore windowslike friendly for my girl
[10:34] <CostaRicanQuaker> well the pictures look like on a huge screen
[10:35] <Dr_willis_> insead of start, its got a different looking button, and so forth.. the whole 'windows like' argument is rather pointless. Its not hard to learn gnome, or kde, or windows.
[10:35] <Dr_willis_> Screen shots are often made to look 'nice' :)
[10:35] <CostaRicanQuaker> then KDE seems like the way to go
[10:36] <ausage> Screen size is just a convience CostaRicanQuaker... Some of the remote systems I maintain have just an old 640x480 screen... some don't have a display attached..
[10:38] <Dr_willis_> CostaRicanQuaker,  it takes me all of 10 min to get gnome going on my newly installed Kubuntu system. :) or 10 min to get Kde installed on my Newly Installed Ubuntu system. So its not worth worrying about.
[10:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> KDE i say
[10:39] <Dr_willis_> install both, try them out..  see what one you tend to use most.
[10:39] <Dr_willis_> I use kde, but i often run gnome-specific apps/tools.
[10:40] <CostaRicanQuaker> if she has a flashdrive
[10:40] <CostaRicanQuaker> will she be able to save things on her
[10:40] <CostaRicanQuaker> thingy and thenopen them from a windows computer
[10:41] <Dr_willis_> SHould be able to.
[10:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> is it easier burning cds/dvdrs?
[10:43] <Dr_willis_> I have puppylinux, it can install to and boot from a USB thumbdrive
[10:43] <Dr_willis_> Hard to get much easier then flash drives.
[10:43] <flaccid_> i do that with hardy
[10:43] <Dr_willis_> flaccid_,  never had much luck with Ubuntu/other disrtos and booting from USB gizmos.
[10:43] <Kitu> hello
[10:43] <flaccid_> yeah i just copy the livecd pretty much
[10:44] <Dr_willis_> Puppy and Slax, are handy to make customzed rescue  installs from.
[10:44] <Kitu> how to install konqueror flash plugin ? please
[10:44] <Kitu> :S
[10:44] <Kitu> on ubuntu*
[10:44] <Kitu> i have strike :
[10:44] <Kitu> sudo apt-get install konqueror-nsplugins
[10:44] <Kitu> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[10:44] <Kitu> and in konqueror : Settings->Configure Conqueror..... Plugins..... Scan for new plugins
[10:45] <Kitu> and it doesn't work
[10:45] <Kitu> but i have flash plugin in firefox
[10:45] <flaccid_> !enter | Kitu
[10:46] <Kitu> i copy/paste some commands :(
[10:46] <Dr_willis_> Flash and Konqueror have been having issues for ages it seems.  I  never use konq as my main browser. So cant help much
[10:46] <Dr_willis_> that !flash url may have some info
[10:46] <CostaRicanQuaker> DR willis what is GNU?
[10:46] <Dr_willis_> !flash
[10:47] <Dr_willis_> GNU stands for 'GNUs Not Unix'
[10:47] <Kitu> ok
[10:47] <Jucato> !gnu | CostaRicanQuaker
[10:47] <Dr_willis_> google for 'gnu wiki' :)
[10:47] <flaccid_> Kitu: in plugins in konqueror configuration, add folder /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree and then select scan
[10:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> is it different than linux kernel? does kubuntu have to do with it?
[10:48] <Dr_willis_> GNU Is  a whole nother area. :) linux uses a lot of the GNU tools
[10:49] <Kitu> flaccid_, that does'nt work
[10:49] <Dr_willis_> ANd no we wont have an argument here if  it should really be called "GNU/Linux, vs just Linux" :)
[10:49] <flaccid_> Kitu: works for me. explain why please
[10:49] <flaccid_> !doesntwork | Kitu
[10:50] <Kitu> lol
[10:50] <Kitu> flaccid_, flash animations don't display if you prefer
[10:51] <Dr_willis_> according to the !dosentwork factoid...my wife !dosentwork
[10:51] <Dr_willis_> :)
[10:51] <flaccid_> after you select scan, does it detect the plugin and put it in the netscape plugin list, Kitu ?
[10:51] <ausage> Ubuntu and Kubuntu are distributions of the GNU/Linux system. Linux is the kernel that run the operating systems on the computer. The Free Software Foundations (aka GNU) developed all the language compilers, libraries and utilities that make a complete operating system. Then other people, apache foundation, Larry Wall (perl), mysql and thousands of other add more and more layers on top of that
[10:52] <Kitu> yes ... libflashplay.so with 2 plugins when i deploy
[10:52] <CostaRicanQuaker> so gnu is an OS that uses the linux kernel
[10:52] <Kitu> libflashplayer.so*
[10:52] <Kitu> CostaRicanQuaker, good joke
[10:52] <Kitu> :)
[10:53] <ausage> Mark Shuttleworth started Unbuntu to take the Debian distribution and provide a stable system with frequent updates and easy installation and commercial support
[10:53] <Dr_willis_> the GNU tools  a large part of what makes up an OS. they are working on their own kernel.
[10:53] <flaccid_> Kitu: what are the locations of all the libflashplayer.s plugins listed in that list of netscape plugins?
[10:54] <Kitu> flaccid_, /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ ..
[10:54] <Kitu> /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[10:54] <Dr_willis_> welli will be back laters.
[10:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> well, it's four a.m.
[10:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> i've to go to bed
[10:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> to get up at 11 am
[10:55] <ausage> ciao
[10:55] <flaccid_> Kitu: so there is only 1 in the list right?
[10:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> thanks for your help ausage and dr willis
[10:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> may the light be with oyu
[10:55] <ausage> It's shining through my window right now.
[10:56] <flaccid_> Kitu: also paste this command here please: /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[10:56] <Kitu> flaccid_, sorry, yes only
[10:57] <Kitu> kiki@kiki-desktop:~$ /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[10:57] <Kitu> bash: /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so: Permission non accordée
[10:57] <Kitu> don't have permission :(
[10:57] <flaccid_> Kitu: i mean what is the output of command: ls -l /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[10:57] <flaccid_> Kitu: sorry i left part of the command out
[10:57] <Kitu> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8115888 2008-05-31 12:15 /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[10:58] <Kitu> it's good ?
[10:58] <flaccid_> Kitu: close konqueror, open a konsole and then run konqueror from it then when loaded goto http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/ and ignore the shockwave dialog. if the flash player applet fails to load pastebin the whole output from konsole
[10:58] <flaccid_> Kitu: looks fine
[10:59] <Kitu> i lauch konqueror from console ?
[10:59] <Kitu> i must*
[11:00] <Kitu> ah ok
[11:00] <flaccid_> yes so we can get the errors if there are any
[11:02] <Kitu> flaccid_, http://rafb.net/p/zJV7Ec44.html
[11:02] <Kitu> but flash display on adobe url ...
[11:02] <flaccid_> it works?
[11:03] <Kitu> but not on deezer.com for example
[11:03] <flaccid_> can i please have the exact URI for the page in question, Kitu?
[11:03] <Kitu> !work flaccid_
[11:03] <Kitu> :)
[11:03] <Kitu> flaccid_, www.deezer.com
[11:04] <Kitu> on the welcome
[11:04] <Kitu> (index)
[11:04] <flaccid_> !enter | Kitu
[11:04] <Kitu> oh sorry
[11:04] <flaccid_> looking now..
[11:05] <Kitu> looking now what ?
[11:06] <flaccid_> at the url. its working for me, mind you their flash seems a bit heavy to load
[11:06] <Kitu> yes i think that i have a bad version
[11:06] <flaccid_> bad version of what?
[11:06] <Kitu> another url say that : You need to upgrade your Flash Player and/or turn on javascript. You can bypass this detection if you wish.
[11:07] <eagles0513875> is it easy to migrate from a windows server 2003 active directory to ldap
[11:07] <Kitu> of flash player
[11:07] <flaccid_> no you have the latest and it appears to be fine
[11:07] <Kitu> but wtf ?
[11:07] <flaccid_> you can't do much if a site cannot code to standards or their flash applet has issues
[11:08] <Kitu> flaccid_, but konqueror version of ubuntu is not the lastest
[11:08] <Kitu> i have ubuntu not kubuntu
[11:08] <flaccid_> what version of konqueror are you using? and that usually won't matter
[11:08] <flaccid_> that doesn't matter either. why do you think it does, specifically?
[11:08] <Kitu> 3.5.9
[11:09] <flaccid_> im also using that version.
[11:09] <flaccid_> can you show me an actual example URL where flash doesnt work?
[11:09] <Kitu> because to do worked some kde application i have installed kde4, not basic version of ubuntu
[11:10] <flaccid_> im not sure what you mean. but it makes no difference. flash is an embedded object.
[11:10] <flaccid_> if you need javascript and its off, turn it on and if it is on then the problem is with the developer of the site in question
[11:11] <Kitu> flaccid_, youtube don't work
[11:11] <flaccid_> !doesntwork
[11:11] <Kitu> does'nt*
[11:11] <flaccid_> please get into the habit of explaining the behaviour of why it doesnt work otherwise we cannot help
[11:12] <eagles0513875> Kitu in regards to java download sun-java6-jre
[11:12] <eagles0513875> you are missing your runtime environment
[11:13] <Kitu> it's for flash not java
[11:13] <eagles0513875> for me installing that gets rid of that message flaccid_ mentioned above
[11:13] <Kitu> ok
[11:13] <eagles0513875> Kitu download flashplugin-nonfree
[11:13] <flaccid_> eagles0513875: negative. javascript != java. there is simply a checkbox in konq config to enable/disable javascript
[11:13] <Kitu> it's did
[11:14] <eagles0513875> flaccid_ i use firefox 3 which installing that gets rid of those messages
[11:14] <flaccid_> eagles0513875: that message you don't know what site it is from
[11:14] <eagles0513875> flaccid_ Kitu said from you tube
[11:14] <flaccid_> youtube does not require java
[11:14] <flaccid_> and we are talkinga bout konqueror not firefox anyway
[11:15] <flaccid_> Kitu: so can you explain what actually happens with youtube?
[11:15] <Kitu> and i think that i have jre
[11:15] <Kitu> flaccid_, video don't display
[11:15] <nuvan> if i've got both speakers and a usb headset plugged in, how do I tell kubuntu to send sound to the headset?
[11:16] <Kitu> in fact the player does'nt load
[11:16] <flaccid_> Kitu: what does youtube say about it ??
[11:16] <Kitu> nothing
[11:16] <flaccid_> show me a screenshot if you cannot explain correctly
[11:16] <Kitu> ok :)
[11:17] <flaccid_> nothing? is it a grey box, is it a white box, there cannot be nothing
[11:18] <Kitu> white box
[11:18] <eagles0513875> flaccid_ do you have any idea if its easy to migrate active directory from a windows server to a linux ldap server
[11:18] <eagles0513875> !info ldap
[11:19] <eagles0513875> O_o
[11:19] <flaccid_> is your javascript enabled?
[11:19] <flaccid_> eagles0513875: migrate what from AD?
[11:19] <eagles0513875> there is a possibility that ill be migrating all the data from an AD server to an LDAP one
[11:19] <eagles0513875> at my school ovr the summer are there any compatibility issues i should be aware of
[11:20] <ausage> \quit
[11:20] <flaccid_> which ldap server?
[11:20] <Kitu> http://www.kenzooz.com/up/konqueror%20(kon%20=%20stupid%20in%20french).png
[11:20] <eagles0513875> right now no ldap server
[11:20] <[1]Lupus> Good day everybody, I've got a problem with grub... for some reason I can't boot Linux... what's up with that? My Linux partition is the second partition on the hard drive but menu.lst seems to refer to it as (hd0,5) which gives me an error of a partition not existing... (hd0,1) gives me error 17 can't boot partition. Only my windows partition boots correctly. Help plzkthx
[11:20] <eagles0513875> its something i still have to discuss with the head of IT at my school
[11:21] <flaccid_> it wasy to migrate but it depends on which ldap server
[11:21] <eagles0513875> ok ill talk to u when i get home
[11:22] <Kitu> flaccid_, so you don't solution ?
[11:22] <flaccid_> Kitu: run konqueror from konsole then goto that URL then pastebin the output to look at please
[11:22] <Kitu> it's run with gnome console ...
[11:23] <flaccid_> huh?
[11:23] <Kitu> konqueror: KlashPart::openURL http://www.youtube.com/active_sharing.swf
[11:23] <Kitu> konqueror: /usr/bin/kde-gnash -x 29366327 -j 550 -k 115 -u 'http://www.youtube.com/active_sharing.swf' -U 'http://www.youtube.com/index?&session=fThtlcnX8AvuwmcUv3ORTxyEVjJgOC0oCHeVo8VO1DGLXTh3Oq2e-4g
[11:23] <flaccid_> sorry yeah you can use any console emulator
[11:23] <Kitu> blablabla
[11:23] <flaccid_> i said pastebin
[11:24] <flaccid_> does it output anything when it loads the URL?
[11:24] <Kitu> flaccid_, http://rafb.net/p/4rzLR220.html
[11:25] <lg188> is propaganda forbiden ?
[11:25] <Kitu> forbbiden why ?
[11:26] <Kitu> forbbiden by who ?
[11:26] <flaccid_> Kitu: feel free to submit a bug
[11:26] <Kitu> hum report a bug ?
[11:26] <flaccid_> !bugs | Kitu yep
[11:27] <flaccid_> include that pastebin as part of the bug report
[11:27] <Kitu> ok
[11:27] <flaccid_> Kitu: did you turn your javascript on however?
[11:27] <flaccid_> is Enable javascript globally checked in config?
[11:27] <Kitu> euh
[11:28] <flaccid_> euh?
[11:28] <Kitu> yes javascript works
[11:28] <flaccid_> ok
[11:28] <Kitu> "euh" = reflection in my brain ...
[11:30] <lg188> Kitu: id like to get some user on taht channel
[11:30] <Kitu> but is very .... slow
[11:30] <Kitu> lg188, what ?
[11:31] <Kitu> placid i have some errors in ajax website
[11:33] <flaccid_> contact site?
[11:35] <Kitu> flaccid_, http://www.kenzooz.com/up/Capture-1.png
[11:36] <lg188> Kitu: i just ant to get om users to one of my friends channels
[11:36] <Kitu> om ?
[11:36] <Kitu> lg188, sorry i'm french
[11:36] <lg188> #kde-nl
[11:36] <lg188> np
[11:40] <flaccid_> Kitu: yeah
[12:00] <lg188> Kitu: hallo ?
[12:00] <lg188> oops
[12:00] <lg188> hello annybody home ?
[12:05] <lg188> hello david_
[12:07] <wayne> anybody know how enable dvd:rip to find ffmpeg's h.264 encoder
[12:15] <wayne> can anybody recomend a way to transcode to h.264?
[12:16] <lg188> wayne nobdy is planing to help you with this silnce
[12:16] <llutz> wayne: avidemux?
[12:16] <wayne> lg188: why?
[12:16] <moll> test
[12:17] <lg188> it's qiute then nobody's helping becaeus they are away
[12:17] <wayne> good point, thanks
[12:18] <wayne> llutz: thanks
[12:20] <moll> test
[12:20] <moll> someone writing?
[12:21] <Bauldrick> can someone help me print from firefox3 to external cups server? konq prints to it and dolphin etc... firefox will not?
[12:22] <moll> test
[12:22] <Dr_willis_> 2+2=
[12:22] <Bauldrick> 95
[12:22] <moll> isnt it 22?
[12:22] <Dr_willis_> A train leaves New York Heading west at 45 miles per hour...
[12:22] <Dr_willis_> :)
[12:25] <Bauldrick> about:config in firefox shows : print.print_printer - user set - string - HPPhotosmart is that correct or should it be default like the rest
[12:26] <lg188> i hav som problems with my wireless g desktop card
[12:26] <lg188> Dr phil
[12:26] <Dr_willis_> lg188,  a lot depends on the excact chipset lg188
[12:26] <lg188> and operha
[12:26] <lg188> wifi
[12:27] <lg188> let megrabb box
[12:28] <lg188> Belkin|Wirelees G Desktop Card part# F5D7000df
[12:28] <Grischnakh> as
[12:29] <lg188> Grischnakh: ?
[12:30] <lg188> [13:28] <Grischnakh> as
[12:31] <lg188> Dr_willis_: Belkin|Wirelees G Desktop Card part# F5D7000df
[12:31]  * lg188 send cookies with ssh to everyone in this channel American Cookies
[12:32] <Grischnakh> yep?
[12:32] <Dr_willis_> lg188,  thats not telling us the chipset without further googling, or check the output of 'dmesg' and 'lspci' if the card is installed.
[12:32] <lg188> that's teh problem it isn nto working
[12:32] <Dr_willis_> if its plugged in , lspci should give some info.
[12:32] <lg188> not*
[12:32] <Dr_willis_> this is a pci card? or USB?
[12:33] <lg188> it doesn't
[12:33] <lg188> pci
[12:33] <iCEifer> hello, when running kubuntu  I find that many apps stall by the window/app freezing  such as when audacious is launched to play a stream, a java applet is started,  etc...sometimes it recovers but not always, any ideas what might be causing this?
[12:33] <Dr_willis_> if lspci isent showing anything... I would find that really really really... weird.
[12:34] <Dr_willis_> like - the card may be bad weird.. OR its showing info on the card.. or its showing info you are just not recognizing that its mentioning the card.
[12:34] <Dr_willis_> i would pastebin the output of lspci, and perhaps google for that exact card on the ubuntu forums
[12:34] <helpy> kde4 is so unstable
[12:34] <Dr_willis_> helpy,  yep. I agree
[12:34] <helpy> hanged up my dual core laptop
[12:34] <lg188> 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 740 Host (rev 01)
[12:34] <helpy> didn't they test it before they launched that ?
[12:34] <helpy> its a joke
[12:34] <lg188> 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Virtual PCI-to-PCI bridge (AGP)
[12:35] <lg188> 0000:00:02.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS962 [MuTIOL Media IO] (rev 25)
[12:35] <lg188> 0000:00:02.1 SMBus: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS961/2 SMBus Controller
[12:35] <Dr_willis_> helpy,  its out mainly for the developers to have somthing to work with. its not ready for primetime ussage.
[12:35] <lg188> 0000:00:02.5 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE]
[12:35] <lg188> 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0)
[12:35] <lg188> 0000:00:03.0 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 0f)
[12:35] <helpy> whens the stable version out ?
[12:35] <lg188> 0000:00:03.1 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 0f)
[12:35] <lg188> 0000:00:03.3 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 2.0 Controller
[12:35] <lg188> 0000:00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet (rev 90)
[12:35] <lg188> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 65x/M650/740 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter
[12:35] <Dr_willis_> lg188,  you might want to learn to use the 'pastebinit' command , and the pastebin websites
[12:35] <lg188> i knwo sorry
[12:35] <Dr_willis_> !info pastebinit
[12:36] <Dr_willis_> thats a must install tool. :)
[12:36] <helpy> Dr_willis how do you become developer ? i want to develop extensions for firefox
[12:37] <helpy> how do i install pastebinit ?
[12:37] <helpy> sudo apt-get pastebinit ?
[12:37] <Dr_willis_> apt-get install THING
[12:37] <lg188> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[12:38] <helpy> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[12:38] <helpy> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[12:38] <lg188> same
[12:38] <helpy> what was the command to get owner rights again
[12:38] <bo0ts> su
[12:38] <bo0ts> sudo
[12:38] <helpy> didnt work with it either
[12:39] <Dr_willis_> helpy,  you are  the initial user ? the one that has sudo rights?
[12:39] <Dr_willis_> perhaps the lock is stuck.
[12:39] <helpy> oh ok i had adept get manager open
[12:39] <Dr_willis_> !fixadept
[12:39] <helpy> :D
[12:39] <Dr_willis_> helpy,  yep. thats what it was saying :)
[12:39] <helpy> :)
[12:40] <Bauldrick> well firefox2 prints ok to my external cups server, a bug?
[12:40] <piluex> Anybody using ghc (haskell)?
[12:40] <helpy> now i can't find it in utilities
[12:40] <helpy> where is it gone ?
[12:40] <Dr_willis_> Bauldrick,  you want to clarify that question?
[12:40] <piluex> I've a problem compiling an example using Data.Set
[12:41] <shujingjing> I've two  network card and I want to disable one forever,then how can I do?
[12:41] <Gordo1> hi @ all, can anybody help me with changing the screen resolution ?
[12:41] <Dr_willis_> shujingjing,  disable one in the bios, or blacklist the module for the one.. is how ive done it befor.
[12:41] <Bauldrick> can someone help me print from firefox3 to external cups server? konq prints to it and dolphin etc... firefox will not?
[12:41] <Bauldrick> about:config in firefox shows : print.print_printer - user set - string - HPPhotosmart is that correct or should it be default like the rest
[12:42] <shujingjing> I'll try,thank you.
[12:42] <Bauldrick> ABOUT:config in ff2 shows  CUPS/HPPhotosmart as opposed to just HPPphotosmart
[12:43] <Bauldrick> can I modify that Value in  ff3? and it remain
[12:49] <iCEifer> hello, when running kubuntu  I find that many apps stall by the window/app freezing  such as when audacious is launched to play a stream, a java applet is started,  etc...sometimes it recovers but not always, any ideas what might be causing this?
[12:49] <iCEifer> anyone?
[12:52] <sadiku> tungi
[12:56] <ubuntu> !france
[12:57] <ubuntu> :nick cyberboss
[13:03] <system366> Hio all
[13:03] <system366> Can any1 help me with a lil kubuntu problem please?
[13:05] <sigma_12> where can i get the ubuntu firefox 3 package from?
[13:06] <system366> Can u not get it from aptitude search sigma?
[13:06] <h0d3n> moin
[13:07] <system366> hi h0d3n
[13:07] <sigma_12> not too sure which repo its in
[13:07] <Dr_willis_> !find firefox3
[13:07] <Dr_willis_> !info firefox
[13:07] <system366> wow kool
[13:07] <Dr_willis_> Hmm.. thats a metapackage.. not the real package
[13:07] <Dr_willis_> notice the size. :)
[13:08] <system366> Dr, can u help me with sumthingp lz? :)
[13:08] <system366> plz*
[13:09] <system366> Can any1 help me???
[13:09] <Bauldrick> Dr_willis_: was that for my question?
[13:09] <PhilRod> system366: just ask your question. If anyone knows, they'll help
[13:09] <wimpies>  Hi all, I have this TV connected over DVI->HDMI and when I specify 720p resolution in the xorg.conf the screensize is OK but the fonts are completely off( way to large)
[13:09] <wimpies> Googling told me to specify DDC off but then the 720p resolution is no longer accepted
[13:09] <system366> ooo kk my 1st tim here :P
[13:09] <system366> ummmmmmmm
[13:11] <system366> well, i cant sudo anything when i want to use a command or open a gui program through a console. i can su to root but if i try to open anything like dolphin& ir just says Could not resolve host DaveNet. If i try to login as root it says i am not allowed
[13:11] <Dr_willis_> Bauldrick,  did you ask a question? I missed it..
[13:11]  * Dr_willis_ scrolls up...
[13:11] <Dr_willis_> Bauldrick,  i have no issues with printing. sorry no idea on that.
[13:12] <Dr_willis_> system366,  for gui apps you do NOT NOT NOT use 'sudo'
[13:12] <Dr_willis_> you use kdesudo,
[13:12] <system366> ohhhhhhh
[13:12] <Dr_willis_> !sudo
[13:12] <system366> still doesnt work
[13:12] <Dr_willis_> kdesu = kdesudo I think  also now a days. :)
[13:12] <Dr_willis_> you are using your initial user?
[13:12] <system366> it says cannot connect to startx server
[13:13] <system366> im using my main uername but i put su in the console n log as root
[13:13] <Dr_willis_>  you enabled the root password then?
[13:13] <system366> yes
[13:13] <Dr_willis_> after you 'su' you dont kdesudo , or others stuff like that ...
[13:13] <Dr_willis_> you need to kdesudo as your initial/logged in user
[13:13] <system366> if i try to login as root at the login screen its say Root login not allowed
[13:14] <Dr_willis_> root logins are not allowed in the kdmrc configs.. correct.
[13:14] <system366> well as root i cant even just type dolphin
[13:14] <system366> it says cannot connect  to startx server
[13:14] <Dr_willis_> login as user, open shell, kdesudo dolphin
[13:14] <Dr_willis_> dont use su, or other stuff first
[13:15] <system366> nope
[13:15] <system366> it say
[13:15] <system366> Unable to Resolve host DaveNet
[13:15] <system366> i get the same from sudo
[13:15] <system366> no matter where i use it
[13:16] <system366> How can i enable root login please? or is not possible in Kubuntu? it worked fine when i had Ubuntu installed
[13:16] <Dr_willis_> did you change your hostname recently?
[13:16] <Dr_willis_> You edit the kdm config to allow X logins
[13:17] <system366> nope i only formatted day b4 yesterday and set hostname to DaveNet havnt changed it... it wont even let me change it XD
[13:17] <Dr_willis_> setting the hostname improperly after instal can break the sudo command.
[13:17] <system366> can u tell me what to do change the conf plz?
[13:17] <Dr_willis_> I dont have kdm installed right now. so cant.
[13:17] <system366> well it hasnt been changed, i cant even if i wnat to =/
[13:17] <Dr_willis_> I perfer to sudo -s, to root, and use 'mc' as my root file manager
[13:18] <Dr_willis_> can you 'sudo -s' to get a root shell?
[13:18] <system366> in certain things it has a button for administration mode
[13:18] <system366> if i click that it just reopens the windows still in normal user mode
[13:18] <system366> ill try
[13:18] <system366> nope
[13:19] <system366> same thing
[13:19] <system366> sudo: unable to resolve host DaveNet
[13:19] <Dr_willis_> sounds like you somehow goofed up the hostname/hosts file
[13:19] <Dr_willis_> !hostname
[13:20] <Dr_willis_> check /etc/hosts and  the output of the hostname command.
[13:20] <ghoulsblade> hi, i keep getting message boxes "could not find mime type\n application /octet-stream" when i double click folders on my desktop since the update last evening, i'm on kubuntu hardy (8.04), couldn't find anything in the forums or faq, any idea ?
[13:20] <Dr_willis_> ghoulsblade,  make a new user, see if it affects the new user also.
[13:21] <Dr_willis_> ghoulsblade,  if  the new user works fine  that imples the problem users settings are the issue
[13:21] <system366> root@DaveNet:/home/system366# /etc/hosts
[13:21] <system366> bash: /etc/hosts: Permission denied
[13:21] <Dr_willis_> Its a config file, not a command
[13:22] <Dr_willis_> cat /etc/hosts
[13:22] <Dr_willis_> hostname - is a command :)
[13:22] <system366> ooo :P
[13:22] <gnumm> will kubuntu have a better kde support in the future?
[13:22] <system366> root@DaveNet:/home/system366# cat /etc/hosts
[13:22] <Dragnslcr> gnumm- what's wrong with it?
[13:22] <system366> 127.0.0.1 localhost
[13:22] <system366> 127.0.1.1 system366-desktop
[13:22] <system366> # The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
[13:23] <system366> ::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
[13:23] <system366> fe00::0 ip6-localnet
[13:23] <system366> ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
[13:23] <system366> ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
[13:23] <system366> ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
[13:23] <system366> ff02::3 ip6-allhosts
[13:23] <Dr_willis_> your hostname seems to be incorrect system366
[13:23] <Dr_willis_> $ hostname
[13:23] <Dr_willis_> tux
[13:23] <ghoulsblade> Dr_willis_, thx, there's no visual interface for that, right ?  i will try with a useradd,mkdir,chown,passwd  combo a friend told me, do i need anything else to allow him to log on in x ?
[13:23] <Dr_willis_>  grep tux /etc/hosts
[13:23] <Dr_willis_> 192.168.1.102 tux
[13:23] <gnumm> Dragnslcr: will the new kde4.1 come in kubuntu hardy or not?
[13:23] <Dr_willis_> ghoulsblade,  i just 'sudo adduser billgates'
[13:23] <system366> no idea what that means XD
[13:23] <Dr_willis_> ghoulsblade,  dont really need a gui for a simple command. :)
[13:24] <Dragnslcr> gnumm- yes, there are packages available for 4.1
[13:24] <ghoulsblade> Dr_willis_,  ah, thx, didn't know that one
[13:24] <Dr_willis_> system366,  you some how have a hosts file, that is not mathcing your hostname, which is confusing everything
[13:24] <Dragnslcr> gnumm- http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.1beta1.php
[13:24] <Dr_willis_> your hostname should be -->  system366-desktop
[13:25] <Dr_willis_> or change the hosts file to match what hostname says.
[13:25] <system366> ah crap... ummm... how can i change my hostname in a rooted console? i cnat do it in the gui as it wont give me root access to anything
[13:25] <Dr_willis_> hostname command changes the hostname
[13:25] <Dr_willis_> go to the console and login as root.
[13:25] <gnumm> Dragnslcr: i mean, will the final of kde4.1 be in the kubuntu hardy repos?
[13:26] <Dragnslcr> gnumm- same repository as the betas and release candidates
[13:26] <system366> Yes! ty! sudo works now :)
[13:27] <gnumm> Dragnslcr: so not int he official kubuntu repos?
[13:27] <Dragnslcr> Not in the standard repositories, no
[13:27] <system366> but still in root i cannot start gui apps from the console
[13:27] <Dragnslcr> Only in the ppa repository
[13:27] <gnumm> ah
[13:27] <Dragnslcr> system366- make sure you're using kdesu instead of sudo
[13:27] <ghoulsblade> brb, loggin in new user
[13:27] <system366> root@system366-desktop:/home/system366# dolphin&
[13:27] <system366> [1] 9255
[13:27] <system366> root@system366-desktop:/home/system366# No protocol specified
[13:27] <system366> dolphin: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[13:28] <system366> oh
[13:29] <system366> still wont work
[13:29] <system366> root@system366-desktop:/home/system366# kdesu dolphin&
[13:29] <system366> [1] 9281
[13:29] <system366> root@system366-desktop:/home/system366# No protocol specified
[13:29] <system366> kdesu: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[13:30] <system366> something si blocking to from loading x server??/ :S
[13:30] <system366> is* --- it*
[13:30] <gnumm> Dragnslcr: this is something i can't understand
[13:30] <stdin> system366: because you're root
[13:30] <stdin> system366: use kdesu to start GUI apps as root, no a root shell
[13:31] <stdin> *not
[13:31] <gnumm> Dragnslcr: they let the unstable 4.0 kde in kubuntu instead of upgraden to a stable desktop envirement
[13:31] <system366> ohhhhhhhhhh
[13:31] <system366> yay! ty it worked :)
[13:32] <stdin> gnumm: 4.0 is not unstable, it's a stable release, even if _you_ don't think so
[13:33] <Dr_willis_> system366,   kdesu dolphin&   <---------- You DO need a space befor the & also.
[13:34] <Dr_willis_> I think.
[13:34] <Dr_willis_> :)
[13:34] <Dr_willis_> it just looks wrong without the space. heh
[13:34] <Dragnslcr> gnumm- well, KDE 4.0 was available when 8.04 was released. KDE 4.1 wasn't
[13:34] <stdin> Dr_willis: bash interprets the &, kdesu never even sees it :)
[13:34] <stdin> s/bash/the shell/
[13:34] <system366> nah doesnt work with the space still
[13:34] <Dragnslcr> gnumm- I don't think Ubuntu ever adds new versions (i.e. not patches for bug fixes) in the middle of a release
[13:34] <system366> but it works fine when not in root shell
[13:35] <system366> and all my other apps are working fine now
[13:35] <stdin> system366: kde4 dolphin?
[13:35] <system366> Thhanks guys!
[13:35] <system366> kde4 dolphin wa? :S
[13:35] <ghoulsblade> Dr_willis, the new user doesn't have the problem, and i remembered i use konqueror as file explorer as i didn't like dolphin, but also after i set the new user to open folders in konqueror i didn't get message boxes, but still on my old user.  i just realised, when i rightclick a folder, select properties, and click the wrench button for how-to-open-config, i get the same messagebox under my old user, but not under the new one
[13:35] <gnumm> Dragnslcr: which version of kde4 is actually in the kubuntu repos? does it work well?
[13:36] <stdin> system366: there is a KDE3 dolphin and a KDE4 dolphin
[13:36] <system366> how do i check which im using? :S
[13:36] <Dragnslcr> gnumm- I believe 4.0.4 is the current version in the standard repository
[13:37] <ghoulsblade> Dr_willis_,  i also get a bunch of those message boxes after starting a session in the old user, any idea what to look for ?
[13:37] <stdin> gnumm: 4.0.3 (4.0.5 in backports)
[13:37] <stdin> system366: are you in a kde3 session or a kde4 session?
[13:37] <eagles0513875> flaccid_: im back
[13:37] <system366> How do i check? :D
[13:37] <eagles0513875> flaccid_: how mandy differet types of ldap are there
[13:38] <Dr_willis_> ghoulsblade,  not really. Ive had issues befor with old homes  and old settings.
[13:38] <stdin> system366: did you install kde4 manually? if not then you'd be in kde3
[13:38] <eagles0513875> !ldap
[13:38] <stdin> system366: and make sure you run kdesu from your account, not a root shell
[13:38] <system366> ummmm... i just installed hardy herron off the disc...
[13:38] <stdin> then it's kde3
[13:38] <system366> is kde4 better?
[13:39] <stdin> it's newer
[13:39] <ghoulsblade> Dr_willis_, oh well, at least thanks to you i now know it's a config issue, anyone else got an idea how to fix this maybe ?
[13:39] <system366> does it look better or worse? or is the update more for compatibility than for looks?
[13:39] <eagles0513875> does anyone know if its easy to migrate from a windows based active directory server to a linux based ldap does the stuff migrate over easily from windows to linux
[13:39] <stdin> system366: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/KDE_4.png <- KDE 4
[13:41] <system366> looks ugly to me or is that just coz of the configuration the person has put on? :P
[13:42] <llp78>  kwin-kde4 fails to upgrade in adept - does anyone have any ideas why?
[13:42] <stdin> system366: that's the basic default, it's extremely configurable/theme-able
[13:42] <stdin> !kwin-#kubuntu-kde4 | llp78
[13:42] <h0d3n_> so... sorry aber gerade war dann meine netzwerkkarte auch noch abgekackt ^;
[13:43] <stdin> !de | h0d3n_
[13:43] <system366> ooo... how do i install kde4? also any1 knnow how i can install my GFX card? :P i here its tricky XD
[13:43] <h0d3n_> sorry, wrong window ;)
[13:44] <malkosta> how can I put compiz and emerald to start together with my kubuntu, without having to install "fusion icon"?
[13:45] <eagles0513875> stdin: do you know much about ldap
[13:45] <stdin> system366: to install kde4 see http://kubuntu.org/ (first 2 announcements). as for graphics drivers, the hardware drivers manager should be able to install it. go to KMenu -> System -> Hardware Drivers Manager
[13:45] <stdin> eagles0513875: next to nothing except that it exists
[13:45] <Walzmyn> I've got pidgin set to play a sound when i get a message - but it don't. Is anybody else having this issue?
[13:46] <stdin> eagles0513875: ubottu tells me https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenLDAPServer when I ask it about ldap
[13:46] <eagles0513875> stdin: reason i ask is i am trying to find out how easy it is and if there are any compatibility issues if i take data off a windows 2k3 active directory can i import it onto an ldap server
[13:47] <stdin> eagles0513875: I've never had to deal with ldap/active directory (thankfully), so I don't know
[13:47] <stdin> eagles0513875: I guess there's always ##linux for a general question like that
[13:48] <eagles0513875> stdin: reason im asking i might get the go ahead to setup an ldap based server at my school so i was just wondering
[13:48] <eagles0513875> stdin: thanks
[13:48] <system366> oh wow its all working! u people are like god :P
[13:48] <system366> is it ok that im installing my card with loadsa windows  n stuff open?
[13:49] <stdin> this is not windows, we don't need you to "close any open windows" just to install some software ;)
[13:49] <system366> it says i need to restart my computer... do i need full restart or can i just crtl+alt+bkSpace and log back in?
[13:50] <Walzmyn> system366, you'll probably need to do a full reboot. it usually needs to rebuild kernel modules if it asks for a reboot
[13:50] <stdin> you can logout, and choose to "Restart the X server" from the menu, or just reboot. but reboot is recommended to make sure the kernel sees the new driver
[13:50] <stdin> ctrl-alt-backspace is not a good way to restart the X server
[13:50] <Walzmyn> or what he said, i'm coming in late here
[13:50] <stdin> it's dirty and people should stop recommending it
[13:51] <system366> ooo ok. one more question about this kde4
[13:51] <system366> is kde4.1 more stable than 4.0.4?
[13:51] <system366> hmmm
[13:51] <system366> 4.0.5 even
[13:52] <system366> im confused... which one is the latest? 4.1 beta or 4.0.5? :S
[13:52] <stdin> 4.1 hasn't been released yet, it's Beta 1 right now, so the answer is "no"
[13:52] <system366> so i shud install 4.0.5?
[13:52] <stdin> 4.0.5 is more stable that 4.1 beta 1, so yeah
[13:53] <system366> does it have the same look tho? ;)
[13:53] <system366> or same basic look more of
[13:53] <stdin> it's default look is like what you saw in the screen shot, but you can change that
[13:54] <system366> Woots great!
[13:54] <Walzmyn> I've got pidgin set to play a sound when i get a message - but it don't. Is anybody else having this issue?
[13:55] <system366> Woots great!GNU or Linux :)
[13:56] <system366> ok that messege got messed up
[13:57] <system366> i just saw something on a webpage thaat says GNU or Linux... so heres the super noob questions... What is GnU and what is Linux? :D
[13:58] <Walzmyn> system366, grab wikipdeia  - they can answer that better than we can
[13:58] <system366> ooo good idea :P
[13:58] <Walzmyn> system366, simple answer gnu is a group and linux is a product
[13:58] <stdin> Linux is the kernel, the very core on which everything else runs, the GNU part is the basic tools. the whole thing (generally called just Linux) is GNU/Linux
[13:58] <system366> ohhhhhhhh ok now i get it :p
[13:59] <system366> i should dye my hair blond and get a sex change XD
[14:00] <system366> After i reboot and the graphics card finishes the install... will i then be able to use beryl an compiz n avant window manager kind of things?
[14:01] <stdin> not beryl, beryl and compiz were merged to make "compiz-fusion". but yeah
[14:01] <system366> so i can use compiz-fusion? :S
[14:01] <stdin> if you want, sure
[14:02] <system366> Woot!
[14:02] <system366> i tried all this in ubuntu 7.04 about 2 years ago and lost a hard drive to it XD
[14:02] <system366> so much easyer in hardy :O
[14:02] <system366> alot more support
[14:03] <stdin> that was a whole year ago, where have you been? :p
[14:03] <stdin> things move fast in the world of linux
[14:03] <system366> if install the gnome gui along side kde will my graphics card still be installed if i loogin on Gnome or will i have to install it there seperatly?
[14:03] <golb23> hi! how do you add a new application "multimedia" and how do you change the icon of tha file?
[14:03] <ghoulsblade> hi, i get message boxes after sessionstart and when opening folders : "could not find mime type application/octet-stream" on kde3 under kubuntu hardy (8.04) since the last update, seems to be a config problem, it doesn't happen with a newly created user, anyone got an idea ?
[14:04] <system366> i been in windows coz i got a wireless card which wouldnt work in gutsy... now in hardy it worked str8 away :D no install or anything :P
[14:04] <stdin> system366: it's independent of what desktop environment you choose to use, you only need to install it once
[14:04] <frogonwheels> system366:  both kde/gnome are just toolkits on top of X11 - which is the graphics protocol, and XFree86/Xorg which is the implemenation of the protocol
[14:05] <frogonwheels> system366: it's a vastly different system to windoze.  The graphics card support is done by the Xorg  'X-server'
[14:05] <system366> woots thanks! yall rule!
[14:05] <system366> oh yes
[14:05] <golb23> system366: wow lucky you
[14:05] <system366> 1 more problem but ill wait for these updates n then install kde4 and reboot b4 i start another thing
[14:05] <frogonwheels> .. which implements the X11 protocol - and allows x 'clients' aka 'the programs' to connect to it.
[14:05] <system366> to many windows up atm XD
[14:05] <golb23> system366: it took me at leat 12 hours to get kubuntu to function with my 80 USD dollar dlink wireless pci
[14:06] <golb23> and its not even working 100%
[14:06] <system366> am i right that if i try to install something and it lists dependancies that i have to install those dependancies via apt-geet install?
[14:06] <frogonwheels> the BIG problem with linux is you gotta pick and choose hardware a bit.
[14:06] <system366> lols
[14:06] <frogonwheels> system366: if you apt-get install  a program, it automagically installs dependencies
[14:07] <system366> my half bro hates dlink and hes a super linnux nerd but hes busy atm with his computer bussiness so i decided to come here
[14:07] <golb23> how do you add a new application to "multimedia" and how do you change the icon of tha file?
[14:07] <golb23> system366: why on earth does he "hate" dlink?
[14:07] <system366> they suck apparently :D
[14:07] <system366> golb23
[14:07] <system366> i think if u right click kmenu then edit menu u can find it there sumwer
[14:08] <stdin> ghoulsblade: from Konqueror, go to Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> File Associations and click the "Add" button. for Group, select "application" and for the type name put "octet-stream" (no quotes)
[14:08] <stdin> ghoulsblade: that should fix it then
[14:08] <golb23> system366: hmm lets se
[14:08] <golb23> see*
[14:09] <ghoulsblade> stdin, thanks, i'll try
[14:09] <Kizedek> Does anyone have a broadcom wireless card which is working with kubuntu?
[14:09] <ghoulsblade> yay it works, thanks stdin  =D
[14:10] <stdin> :)
[14:11] <golb23> system366: no joy :/
[14:14] <flauoz> sapete dirmi se esiste un programma simile a nokia pc siute per linux?'
[14:15] <stdin> !it
[14:16] <flauoz> o scusatemi
[14:16] <flauoz> ok
[14:16] <flauoz> grazie
[14:17] <fredthemonkey> hello
[14:18] <fredthemonkey> i just installed kubuntu and have various questions
[14:18] <fredthemonkey> for example there is adept manager.
[14:18] <fredthemonkey> does this package manager look after dependencies?
[14:18] <stdin> yes
[14:19] <fredthemonkey> ah okay
[14:19] <stdin> it's just a front-end to apt, and apt/dpkg look after the dependencies
[14:19] <fredthemonkey> oh
[14:19] <fredthemonkey> well i tried to install "wine-doors" from a deb package
[14:20] <fredthemonkey> and now it doesnt start and says:
[14:20] <fredthemonkey> Started logging session
[14:20] <fredthemonkey> Traceback (most recent call last):
[14:20] <fredthemonkey>   File "/usr/bin/wine-doors", line 21, in <module>
[14:20] <fredthemonkey>     from wine import wine
[14:20] <fredthemonkey>   File "/usr/share/wine-doors/src/wine.py", line 15, in <module>
[14:20] <fredthemonkey>     from utils import GetCDMountPoint
[14:20] <fredthemonkey>   File "/usr/share/wine-doors/src/utils.py", line 2, in <module>
[14:20] <fredthemonkey>     import gtk, gobject, gtk.glade
[14:20] <fredthemonkey> ImportError: No module named glade
[14:20] <stdin> !paste
[14:20] <fredthemonkey> oh sorry
[14:21] <stdin> where did you get wine-doors from?
[14:21] <fredthemonkey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/21824/
[14:21] <fredthemonkey> from their homepage
[14:21] <fredthemonkey> http://www.wine-doors.org/wordpress/?page_id=3
[14:21] <fredthemonkey> here
[14:22] <fredthemonkey> it says the DEB is for ubuntu, too
[14:22] <harirulez> hi all!
[14:22] <harirulez> I just installed kubuntu.
[14:22] <harirulez> :)
[14:22] <harirulez> anybody able to read me?
[14:22] <flaccid_> !hi
[14:22] <ds187_> harirulez: no
[14:22] <ds187_> :-)
[14:23] <stdin> fredthemonkey: then you need to tell them that they need to depend on python-glade2 (and you should install that package too ;)
[14:23] <frogonwheels> harirulez: 10 4 big buddy,
[14:23] <frogonwheels> harirulez: over
[14:23] <fredthemonkey> oh
[14:23] <fredthemonkey> i see thanks :)
[14:23] <Kizedek> Does anyone know if this is out dated? : http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#fw-b43-old
[14:24] <davinir> whhhhaattzup!!!
[14:24] <davinir> :>
[14:24] <harirulez> how to mount windows drive ?
[14:24] <stdin> !ntfs
[14:24] <flaccid_> Kizedek: there is updated guide on the ubuntu wiki for this
[14:24] <Kizedek> great thanks :)
[14:25] <flaccid_> np
[14:25] <flaccid_> !wireless | Kizedek
[14:25] <flaccid_> should be linked from there
[14:25] <harirulez> this tool is good..
[14:25] <harirulez> what about gaim?
[14:25] <harirulez> pidgin??
[14:26] <flaccid_> !info pidgin | harirulez
[14:27] <fredthemonkey> another question: how do i encrypt the full harddrive (including kubuntu) with luks? some wiki page said that it is possible with the installer, but i couldnt find it (and the text based installer didnt boot o_O)
[14:28] <fredthemonkey> wohoo wine-doors works now :D
[14:31] <psyco> Anyone know how to fix the black menus when Baghira and KDE mix together??
[14:40] <psyco> DAMN
[14:40] <psyco> I am user 501.
[14:40] <DexterF> hi
[14:41] <DexterF> any chance to get a rtl8197 wifi module working with wpa? got a patched 8187 that works with wep, but wont do wpa
[15:09] <cyberboss> !france
[15:13] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[15:16] <fredthemonkey> question
[15:16] <fredthemonkey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/21839/
[15:16] <fredthemonkey> gcc is installed - so why does it show that error?
[15:19] <fredthemonkey> heres the config.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/21841/
[15:20] <fredthemonkey> can anyone help me with that?
[15:20] <stdin> fredthemonkey: install build-essential
[15:21] <fredthemonkey> okay thanks :)
[15:22] <fredthemonkey> aaah now it works :D
[15:27] <RurouniJones> What was the reasoning behind leaving things like build-essential out of the normal distribution?
[15:33] <Walzmyn> !webcam
[15:42] <system366> The King Hast Returned!
[15:43] <A-tomy> Hi!
[15:43] <alan___> Hi
[15:43] <system366> Hmmmm... after the 1st time u enable Desktop effects in the standered Kubuntu thingy do i have to reboot after its installed everything? coz ive dont i all but effects on but i dont see any differance when moving things around/closing or just like minimzing n stuff
[15:44] <alan___> My problem: BROKE PACKAGE: " linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-15-generic"
[15:45] <alan___> I cant install anything, Adept cant work with that broke package
[15:45] <system366> alan
[15:45] <A-tomy> load it
[15:45] <Dr_Willis_> system366,  ive see some times where the compiz setting/changes dont get read until you log back in.. not sure why it does that.
[15:45] <BluesKaj> alan___, do you have synaptic?
[15:45] <system366> try re-installing adept via a console?
[15:45] <Dr_Willis_> its not an adept probme. its a package issue.
[15:45] <alan___> ok...
[15:45] <alan___> ill try the console thing... wait...
[15:45] <Dr_Willis_> you could try the various command line tools however to force a reinstall of the package
[15:46] <alan___> what comand is that?
[15:46] <alan___> (for force)
[15:46] <system366> Dr. so will it work if i ctrl+alt+bkSpace and log back in? Also if i ctrl+alt+bkspace does it work like a normal log out? :P
[15:46] <BluesKaj> system366, no
[15:47] <system366> ooo kk normal log out it is then... brb :P
[15:47] <Dr_Willis_> thats logging out with extreme prejudice
[15:47] <BluesKaj> depends on the app mostly
[15:47] <system366> huh?
[15:47] <Dr_Willis_> thatjust kills off X instantly
[15:47] <system366> ooooooooo ok :P
[15:47] <system366> brb
[15:47] <alan___> which is the comand for force a reintall?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> sometimes rebooting is in order despite claims to the contrary
[15:48] <Dr_Willis_> somt times its easker to just reboot. :)
[15:48] <Dr_Willis_> logging out is not the same as rebooting. :)
[15:49] <BluesKaj> yeah , init.d scripts and such require a reboot
[15:53] <alan___> Pleace, how is the comand to force an install with dpkg?
[15:55] <system366> looge out and back in and no change at all...its set on standard effects but i dont see anything differant it all lookss the same... What do i need to be able to customize effects myself?
[15:55] <system366> logged*
[15:56] <Haza> Afternoon folks. Can someone tell me how to get colour coding with vim?
[15:56] <sigma_> how do you share cups printers on a network? the option that enabled it does not exist anymore
[16:05] <kubuntu> how dod you open restricted drivers? i cant seem to find the administration
[16:17] <xt828> i just rebooted from windows into kubuntu and my sound isn't working - any ideas?
[16:18] <cara> How do I get my kde menu back on the left?
[16:18] <cara> everytime I add it it comes on the right
[16:18] <cara> and I can't move it
[16:18] <Odd-rationale> cara: right-click panel --> unlock. then rightclick kmenu --> move
[16:19] <cara> There's no option to unlock the panel
[16:19]  * cara already looked into it
[16:19] <Odd-rationale> cara: wait is this kde3 or kde4?
[16:19] <cara> kde4
[16:19] <Odd-rationale> cara: ok. sorry, i don't know that then...
[16:19] <cara> o
[16:19] <cara> thanks for your help then
[16:20] <Odd-rationale> cara: you can try #kde or #kubuntu-kde4
[16:23] <cara> lol I lost my whole kde panel
[16:23] <xt828> all my sound was working five minutes ago, when i was in windows, and yesterday when i was in kubuntu it was all working, but now it isn't
[16:26] <adn_> yo
[16:26] <alessio> hi
[16:27] <alessio> kome s'installa un applicazione su kubuntu?
[16:27] <adn_> y a quelqu' un qui a du temps a perdre ?
[16:27] <llutz> !it | alessio
[16:28] <alessio> ciao
[16:28] <alessio> qualkuno sa spiegarmi come installare un file . gz su kubuntu?
[16:32] <ansate> di napoli! so napoletano purio!
[16:34] <NickPresta> ansate, language?
[16:35] <fredthemonkey> hi i'm back :)
[16:35] <NickPresta> hi fredthemonkey
[16:35] <fredthemonkey> well i installed my kubuntu and got all the drivers working by now
[16:36] <fredthemonkey> but how can i encrypt the whole drive except /boot with kubuntu?
[16:38] <lenea> hey everyone. i've got a problem. i've just installed kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 4 and i can't seem to find how to mount my windows drives. can anyone please help?
[16:38] <fredthemonkey> you need ntfs3-g i guess
[16:38] <NickPresta> fredthemonkey, hmm. I know on the Alternate CD, you have the option of setting up encrypted partitions (all but /boot) using LVM, I believe
[16:38] <NickPresta> !ntfs-3g | lenea
[16:39] <fredthemonkey> that means i would have to reinstall kubuntu?
[16:39] <lenea> ok thanks guys, i'll try right now
[16:39] <Schuenemann> I need help restoring my boot
[16:39] <Schuenemann> I just installed Win XP
[16:39] <NickPresta> fredthemonkey, I'm hoping not. Let me check around Google quickly
[16:39] <fredthemonkey> thanks :)
[16:39] <NickPresta> !mbr | Schuenemann
[16:40] <kirkt> how do i install system calls manpages ? man fork says i dont have manpage for that
[16:41] <Schuenemann> NickPresta: I don`t understand the part the says find /boot/grub/stage1
[16:41] <Schuenemann> where will I use that information?
[16:41] <lenea> ok i have installed ntfs-3g..but how do i mount the drives?
[16:42] <Schuenemann> NickPresta: for example, my output is (hd0,4)
[16:43] <NickPresta> Schuenemann, root (hd0,4)
[16:43] <NickPresta> setup (hd0)
[16:44] <Schuenemann> ahh... the wiki says root (hd0,1) and isn`t clear I should change that with the output I got
[16:44] <Schuenemann> thanks, I`ll try
[16:44] <NickPresta> Schuenemann, :)
[16:44] <pim> What's the command for looking how much memory I've got?
[16:44] <Schuenemann> ok, I`ll reboot... bye
[16:44] <Schuenemann> pim: sudo lshw will give you that
[16:45] <NickPresta> pim, perhaps check out `free`
[16:45] <lenea> ok i have installed ntfs-3g..but how do i mount the drives?
[16:45] <pim> sudo mount /drive /mountpoint -t ntfs-3g
[16:46] <NickPresta> lenea, ntfs-config is a gui utility to help you
[16:46] <pim> NickPresta thanks it works
[16:47] <NickPresta> fredthemonkey, sorry. I couldn't find anything about encrypting your file system without reformatting. However, check out: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Hardy#Encrypt_home_partition_with_cryptsetup_.26_LUKS
[16:48] <fredthemonkey> thanks anyway
[16:48] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[16:48] <fredthemonkey> i'll try that :)
[16:48] <NickPresta> kirkt, http://linux.die.net/man/2/syscalls
[16:48] <ActionParsnip> kicker won't autoload, can anyone advise
[16:49] <ActionParsnip> if i run kicker & I get the bar at the bottom
[16:49] <ActionParsnip> with the K menu and the time etc
[16:49] <ActionParsnip> can anyone please advise
[16:49] <cyberboss> !france
[16:51] <kirkt> NickPresta, i want to install it here, locally
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> Guest96196: please tell me you dont log in as root :(
[16:56] <a61_> hello will
[16:58] <ActionParsnip> quiet in here
[17:00] <fredthemonkey> does anyone know how well the alternate installers encryption works?
[17:00] <fredthemonkey> i am thinking of reinstalling my kubuntu with that
[17:00] <bill_> a brasileiros aqui?
[17:01] <pim> !br
[17:04] <psyco> Anyone know how to fix the black menus with KDE and Baghira???
[17:07] <fredthemonkey> i am sorry but i c'ant find the alternative installer CD for kubuntu
[17:07] <fredthemonkey> is this cd only aviable for ubuntu?
[17:08] <Jucato> it's usually just called "alternate" in the list of CD images
[17:09] <NickPresta> fredthemonkey, http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs/kubuntu/hardy/kubuntu-8.04-alternate-i386.iso there is one :)
[17:09] <fredthemonkey> ah thanks :D
[17:09] <fredthemonkey> i got it - first click a CD link and there it is, too :)
[17:10] <system366> Hio all am back n feeling... ummmm... i wanna die :0
[17:11] <ActionParsnip> system366: why so?
[17:12] <fredthemonkey> there we go its downloading :)
[17:12] <system366> anyways... i installed my graphics drivers using hardware manager then installed compiz fusion through the desktop effects thingy that comes with Kubuntu. after a few trys with reboots n diff settings i found that the pile of crap duznt work... so i installed avant-window-navigator coz i know that when somethings wrong with the graphics this usually wont work at all... and hey... IT DOESNT! :P Any help would be greatly
[17:12] <system366> appreciated :)
[17:13] <ActionParsnip> system366: what graphics card you using?
[17:13] <system366> 1sec ill check i kno its nVidia but dont know the model ill check if it says in hardware setting thingy
[17:14] <ActionParsnip> system366: use lspci
[17:14] <system366> nope doesnt say
[17:14] <system366> n use what? :D
[17:14] <ActionParsnip> lspci
[17:14] <fredthemonkey> question: which packages are missing in the alternate install cd?
[17:14] <system366> whats that? ^_^
[17:14] <ActionParsnip> system366: type it in konsole
[17:14] <ActionParsnip> itll show all the hardware
[17:15] <system366> ah ha
[17:15] <system366> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV15BR [GeForce2 Ultra, Bladerunner] (rev a4)
[17:15] <Schuenemann> !nvidia
[17:15] <ActionParsnip> system366: ok, gimme a sec
[17:15] <system366> okey dokey :)
[17:16] <system366> but note that the driver installed automaticly through hardware device manager and is enabled :0
[17:16] <ActionParsnip> system366: try sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[17:16] <system366> oh lordy
[17:16] <system366> okays but im scared now XD
[17:17] <ActionParsnip> system366: im using an onboard nvidia 6195 thing
[17:17] <ActionParsnip> system366: why scared? you are uinstalling the driver from repos
[17:17] <system366> uninstalling?
[17:17] <Schuenemann> to install my nvidia driver I just have to enable the restricted drivers?
[17:17] <system366> i hae enabled restricted driver but it wont work ;9
[17:18] <system366> its enabled it all shows its working
[17:18] <system366> but comppiz and avant wont work
[17:18] <system366> compiz fusion enabled fine but nothing has changed and avant simply loads then closes str8 away
[17:18] <system366> might be running in the background and cant be seen tho, iunno
[17:19] <ActionParsnip> system366: which graphics drivers have you tried?
[17:19] <ActionParsnip> have you tried nvidia-glx?
[17:19] <system366> just the one in the restricted drivers thingy coz it downloaded and installed the automaticly
[17:19] <system366> im installing that one now
[17:19] <ActionParsnip> system366: tried envyng?
[17:19] <system366> it just finished
[17:19] <system366> envyng?
[17:20] <ActionParsnip> envyng works pretty good too
[17:20] <system366> im still a noob when it comes to linux :P
[17:20] <ActionParsnip> its a frontend for graphics drivers, its pretty sweet
[17:20] <ActionParsnip> system366: you'll learn
[17:20] <Schuenemann> ActionParsnip, where is envyng?
[17:20] <system366> im installing enyng now
[17:21] <system366> or maybe i arnt XD
[17:21] <system366> ah ha
[17:21] <system366> which one do i choose?
[17:21] <ActionParsnip> system366: use sudo apt-get install enyng
[17:21] <system366> system366@system366-desktop:~$ aptitude search envyng
[17:21] <system366> p   envyng-core                                  - install the ATI or the NVIDIA driver
[17:21] <system366> p   envyng-gtk                                   - install the ATI or the NVIDIA driver
[17:21] <system366> p   envyng-qt                                    - install the ATI or the NVIDIA driver
[17:21] <system366> whch one?
[17:21] <ActionParsnip> install envy-gtk too
[17:22] <system366> too?
[17:22] <system366> so core n gtk?
[17:22] <ActionParsnip> yeah, it needs a gui
[17:22] <ActionParsnip> yes, both
[17:22] <system366> ok what about qt?
[17:22] <ActionParsnip> its an alternative frontend but gtk is fine
[17:22] <system366> if i type sudo apt-get install envyn-cor envyn-gtk will it install them both one after the other?
[17:23] <system366> i missed the g's :P
[17:23] <ActionParsnip> it'll install both
[17:23] <foormea> hi all
[17:23] <system366> kool kk 1sec
[17:23] <ActionParsnip> system366: after the install word you can queue up a whole bunch of stuff
[17:23] <ActionParsnip> foormea: hey man
[17:24] <system366> so if theres like 20 packages u want u can type em all one after other and it will do them? :)
[17:24] <ActionParsnip> system366: yeah
[17:24] <system366> ooo kk
[17:24] <system366> anyways thats done
[17:24] <ActionParsnip> system366: like: sudo apt-get install firefox kmail kopete amarok ...
[17:25] <ActionParsnip> system366: ok now run kdesudo envyng-gtk
[17:25] <system366> loading up envyng now
[17:25] <foormea> i'm afraid my has no solution but i'll ask nevertheless: my system is in english, i need support for french input and chinese input. to put it simply, scim/scim-bridge don't work properly and not only chinese doesn't work fine, it also screws up french input. any _definitive_ solution for that? would the problem be fixed in in the future updates of kde3 or do i have to wait for a stable and usable kde4?
[17:25] <system366> auto detection or manual?
[17:25] <ActionParsnip> system366: manual is usually ok
[17:25] <ActionParsnip> foormea: id head to kubuntu in your language and ask there
[17:25] <fredthemonkey> ill try the alternate cd. cu guys and thanks for your help :D
[17:26] <ActionParsnip> !fr | foormea
[17:26] <system366> it has 3 versions to choose
[17:26] <ActionParsnip> system366: glx is fine
[17:26] <system366> 169.12, 96.43.05 and 71.86.04
[17:26] <system366> driver version i meen :0
[17:26] <foormea> ActionParsnip: in this case i'd need to head to chinese, not french
[17:26] <system366> :)*
[17:26] <foormea> but thanks anyway
[17:27] <foormea> :)
[17:27] <ActionParsnip> system366: autodetect man
[17:27] <system366> ok
[17:27] <Schuenemann> !cn | foormea
[17:27] <system366> its removin the glx i just installed :D
[17:28] <system366> i think its installing summin now i have no idea :P
[17:28] <ActionParsnip> system366: just let it have its fun bro
[17:29] <system366> lols okays
[17:29] <system366> no chance of a major fuckup?
[17:29] <system366> oops, no filters XD
[17:29] <ActionParsnip> system366: nothing that cant be fixed
[17:29] <system366> i hope ur right ;p
[17:29] <system366> last time i tried to install this card in linux i lost a HDD :P
[17:30] <system366> but that was like a year ago =]
[17:30] <ActionParsnip> system366: the driver can be disabled by using vesa drivers in xorg.conf
[17:30] <system366> 7.04 sucked for compatibility with everything i had lols
[17:30] <system366> noq i knoq ivw wditwd xorg.conf b4 trying to this cant remember where how or what lols
[17:30] <ActionParsnip> system366: never had an issue
[17:31] <ActionParsnip> only one ive struggle with was redhat 6
[17:31] <system366> i get the daily issue XD
[17:31] <system366> im a regular with linux issues :p
[17:31] <ActionParsnip> system366: well keep at em and keep searching, you'll get an answer man
[17:32] <system366> hehe i shall ;p
[17:32] <system366> brb a few mins :)
[17:42] <system366> Back yall
[17:42] <system366> my helper stll here? XD
[17:43] <Tm_T> hi kids
[17:43] <system366> oh well i gotta reboot this damned mechanical thing... cyall in a bit
[17:46] <Tm_T> root: are we rooted now?
[17:51] <ActionParsnip> Tm_T: tell him not to log on as root
[17:53] <stdin> !rootirc
[17:54] <ActionParsnip> sup stdin
[17:54] <stdin> not much, hitting kde4libs with a hammer until it compiles :)
[17:54] <Tm_T> stdin: heh, all compiles fine here, though trunk
[17:55] <stdin> Tm_T: tags/4.0.83, but compiling into a debian package is "less easy" :)
[17:55] <psyco> Hey
[17:55] <Tm_T> stdin: true that, I know it too well :-P
[17:56] <psyco> Anyone know how to fix the black menus when Baghira is mixed with KDE?
[17:57] <Jucato> stdin: compiliong into a .deb is never easy. period :)
[17:57] <SniZzo> tryed following some tutorials?
[18:00] <system366> Actioni still here? :)
[18:02] <ActionParsnip> sup bro
[18:02] <lovre> a
[18:08] <Schuenemann> !nvidia
[18:09] <Schuenemann> to install the nvidia drivers I just have to enable the restricted drivers? Don't I need to install nvidia-glx and configure xorg.conf anymore?
[18:12] <Schuenemann> =/
[18:13] <Jucato> that's what the restricted drivers *manager* (it's not really a driver in itself) does
[18:13] <system366> schuenemann
[18:13] <system366> try encyng
[18:13] <system366> im trying to get my nvidia card working but the restricted one iznt working
[18:14] <system366> envyng installed fine but still need to edit conf file =/
[18:14] <Schuenemann> Jucato, this is new, right? On edgy (I think) I had a lot of effort to make it work
[18:14] <Jucato> Schuenemann: yep. since gutsy only (iirc)
[18:14] <Schuenemann> or feisty heh
[18:14] <Schuenemann> can't remember well
[18:15] <Schuenemann> ok, I'll try that
[18:15] <Jucato> envying? envy's new name?
[18:16] <Schuenemann> hehehe
[18:18] <system366> envyng
[18:18] <system366> ah ha
[18:18] <system366> aptitude search it
[18:18] <system366> u need envyng-core and envyng-gtk
[18:18] <stdin> system366: envyng-qt
[18:18] <system366> there are 2
[18:18] <system366> can choose
[18:18] <stdin> qt will look better
[18:18] <system366> i chose gtk :p
[18:18] <system366> it will?
[18:19] <Jucato> of course :)
[18:19] <stdin> KDE uses Qt
[18:19] <system366> ah crap!
[18:19] <system366> if i install qt will it conflict with gtk?
[18:19]  * Jucato didn't know tseliot's app finally made it into the repos
[18:19] <Schuenemann> system366, gtk is gnome's
[18:19] <system366> well i was told to use gtk lols and it works so meh...
[18:20] <Schuenemann> I wish there were a qt version of firefox
[18:20] <Jucato> system366: you mean if you install envyng-qt will it conflict with envyng-gtk?
[18:20] <system366> yep
[18:20] <Jucato> I mean, are you asking that?
[18:20] <system366> yes
[18:20] <Schuenemann> it's the same back-end
[18:20] <Jucato> unless it was packaged terribly, no it shouldn't
[18:20] <system366> ok ty :P
[18:21] <Schuenemann> after enabling the drivers through the manager, it says I should reboot. Is that really needed or just X will do?
[18:21] <system366> full reboot
[18:22] <system366> its better to do full reboot if it asks
[18:22] <Schuenemann> maybe it's mistranslated
[18:22] <Jucato> it's made to say that for a reason :)
[18:22] <system366> im gunna reboot now coz i been told to :P
[18:22] <system366> talk soon yall :)
[18:22] <Schuenemann> alright...
[18:22] <Schuenemann> brb
[18:23] <Schuenemann> he's mad
[18:23] <Schuenemann> brb
[18:25] <jals> hi i'm having real issues ripping cds, it's taking an age
[18:27] <jals> used to take like 10 minutes on ubuntu but since i've been on k- it takes about 20 in whatever app i use
[18:31] <Schuenemann> it almost worked... now I need a way to set my resolution to 1440x900
[18:32] <Schuenemann> my monitor is not being recognized
[18:32] <mali>  /msg NickServ identify deneme
[18:33] <Schuenemann> my monitor isn't recognized and it's not in the list of monitors to choose
[18:35] <Kano> hi, i just tested the kde4 edtion of kubuntu 8.04 and it seems impossible to install openjdk-jre in live mode?
[18:35] <Kano> openjdk-6-jre i mean
[18:35] <Walzmyn> !webcam
[18:36] <Schuenemann> !lcd
[18:38] <lascar> who knows something about kismet?
[18:40] <lascar> !kismet
[18:42] <da3mon> всем привет!
[18:42] <Schuenemann> !ru | da3mon
[18:43] <lars> ahh.. time to break out the translator
[18:44] <da3mon> ubottu: is this channel in english?
[18:44] <da3mon> ))
[18:44] <da3mon> живые есть?
[18:46] <da3mon> кроме бота есть кто-нить?
[18:46] <Alchera> a friend of mine has an interesting dilemma affecting thunderbird
[18:46] <Alchera> the problem is forwarding received mails with embedded images ... the receiver gets them garbled
[18:46] <lars> 	
[18:46] <lars> Робот не проживает он просто знает, на каком языке люди говорят дюйма
[18:46] <Alchera> any theories?
[18:47] <lars> does his email support pop3 or whatever he is trying to use?
[18:47] <lars> his email account
[18:47] <Alchera> oh yes .. same os as me and same isp
[18:47] <Alchera> he's gutsy though
[18:48] <lars> it may be a setting with his e-mail account provider
[18:48] <Alchera> ours uses a scanner on all incoming mail
[18:50] <Alchera> was something i was thinking of also
[18:52] <pim> Is FF3 also for Kubuntu 64-bit?
[18:56] <stdin> pim: yes
[18:57] <pim> Are flash and java easy to install on FF3-64bit?
[18:57] <ubuntu> On LOiveCD with Wireless, everyhing except Konqueror can connect, Konqueror can't connect to anything?
[18:58] <stdin> pim: same as for FF2
[18:58] <pim> stdin that means no?
[18:58] <stdin> I wouldn't know, I use x86
[19:02] <fredthemonkey> hi guys its me again
[19:02] <fredthemonkey> this time i installed from the alternate cd
[19:02] <fredthemonkey> and hooray: encryption works perfectly :D
[19:03] <fredthemonkey> its really awsome - entering the PW while the bootscreen is displayed [not like some workaround under openSUSE where i type it in verbose mode :p]
[19:05] <winterelf> hi there
[19:07] <winterelf> i have a question... i want to do "upgrafe version" to kubuntu 8.04 but i don't want it to upgrade to kde 4 remix... if i m using kubuntu 7.10 and doing upgrade version at the adept manager it will install to kde remix?
[19:07] <stdin> winterelf: no
[19:08] <winterelf> thanks :)
[19:15] <davide> come faccio a ricavare le foto da windows utilizzando kubuntu .grazie
[19:16] <conscience> HI! can anyone teel me how to run terminal in supermode or superuser?
[19:16] <solid_liq> su
[19:16] <ol_dude67> or sudo
[19:16] <conscience> or run konqueror in supermode?
[19:17] <solid_liq> or  sudo passwd    then   su
[19:17] <conscience> how i type sudo terminal?
[19:17] <solid_liq> run the terminal, then  su
[19:17] <conscience> ok
[19:17] <conscience> thanks
[19:17] <epimeth> no, sudo -s
[19:17] <epimeth> su is disabled
[19:17] <PhilRod> or Alt+F2, "kdesudo konsole"
[19:17] <solid_liq> you may have to  sudo passwd  tho to set a password to enable you to  su
[19:18] <epimeth> conscience: don't do that
[19:18] <conscience> what ??
[19:18] <epimeth> conscience: just use sudo -s
[19:18] <epimeth> conscience: what solid_liq is saying... you don't have to enable the root user, so you shouldn't enable it
[19:18] <solid_liq> epimeth: he wanted to know how to run the whole terminal as root, which means using  su
[19:18] <epimeth> conscience: just use sudo -s if you need a root shell
[19:19] <epimeth> solid_liq: or using sudo -s
[19:19] <solid_liq> either way
[19:19] <conscience> ok thanks
[19:20] <epimeth> conscience: and if you want to just run konqueror, then alt+f2 kdesu konqueror
[19:21] <conscience> ok
[19:21] <conscience> thanks
[19:22]  * solid_liq started using linux with redhat 4.0 back in the '90s, and so is used to just using  su
[19:22] <Rioting_pacifist> epimeth: whats the difference between sudo -s and sudo -i?
[19:23] <epimeth> The -s (shell) option runs the shell specified by the SHELL environment variable if it is set or the shell as specified in passwd(5).
[19:23] <epimeth>     The -i (simulate initial login) option runs the shell specified in the passwd(5) entry of the user that the command is being run as. The command name argument given to the shell begins with a `-' to tell the shell to run as a login shell. sudo attempts to change to that user's home directory before running the shell. It also initializes the environment, leaving TERM unchanged, setting HOME, SHELL, USER, LOGNAME, and PATH, and
[19:23] <epimeth> unsetting all other environment variables. Note that because the shell to use is determined before the sudoers file is parsed, a runas_default setting in sudoers will specify the user to run the shell as but will not affect which shell is actually run.
[19:23] <solid_liq> Rioting_pacifist: sudo -i   is like   su -
[19:23] <solid_liq> or in other words....
[19:23] <solid_liq> Rioting_pacifist: sudo -i   is like   su -
[19:23] <epimeth> Rioting_pacifist: rtfm, amigo.... "man sudo"
[19:23] <solid_liq> lol
[19:23] <rand_acs_> anyone here had a problem with a laptop's lid button not wanting to work after an update?
[19:23] <Schuenemann> hi, how do I set my resolution to 1440x900@60 ?
[19:23] <solid_liq> but  sudo -s  is like   su   without the -
[19:24] <epimeth> Rioting_pacifist: bottom line, -i means "execute the bashrc scripts", -s means "don't"
[19:24] <Schuenemann> I've managed to set to 1440x900 by inserting that in the subsection display, but I don't know how to the frequency to 60
[19:25] <filo1234> hi, i'm tryng to connect with telephone bluetooth, i'm using wvdial but i recive this error --> Cannot open /dev/rfcomm0: Function not implemented
[19:25] <EagleScreen> Schuenemann: hi what refresh rate are u using now?
[19:25] <filo1234> !bluetooth
[19:25] <solid_liq> Rioting_pacifist: or more accurately,  -i  means setup your shell environment to be the same as if you'd directly logged in as the user you're switching to, but -s means keep your environment from the current user when switching to the new user
[19:25] <Rioting_pacifist> epimeth: and that means i should be using -i for the same reasons i use kdesudo or -s because i dont need to wory about kdesudo stuf as im not using a GUI?
[19:26] <solid_liq> Rioting_pacifist: no
[19:27] <rand_acs_> the lid button not working seems to have been a bug back in 6.06 but was fixed...
[19:30] <Schuenemann> ...
[19:43] <cyberboss> !france
[19:53] <pim> How can I remove firefox2?
[19:54] <rav> hello. My dad tried KDE 4.0.3 on Fedora, and it failed in many ways. I got curious, is Kubuntu's KDE4 like this?
[19:54] <rav> pim: use aptitude to look for the package
[19:54] <Dragnslcr> rav- probably. KDE 4.0 isn't intended for general use
[19:56] <rav> pim: 'sudo aptitude', then type '/' and type 'firefox' in the search window. then press 'n' to cycle through the packages that match the search until you find the one you want
[19:58] <pim> thanks rav
[19:58] <rav> pim: no problem :)
[20:04] <Pxrbot> hi, ive just installed kde4, how do i change taskbar rows from only 1 to 2?
[20:21] <spyketomato> hi all - running a FRESH install of hardy with kde 3.9 - have compiz up and running and i LOVE my new puter :) - but... the window manager crashed so none of my windows have any decoration/buttons/little x in the corner - any idea how to restart the WM without having to go drastic and logout?
[20:21] <spyketomato> (sorry - kde 3.5.9 of course)
[20:22] <Rioting_pacifist> spyketomato: kwin --replace
[20:22] <blistov_> how do i connect to xdmcp with kdm-kde4?
[20:22] <blistov_> (server is listening. don't know what address string to use)
[20:22] <usuario_> KUBUNTU
[20:23] <spyketomato> umm - Rioting_pacifist - that just unloaded compiz...
[20:23] <Rioting_pacifist> now run compiz
[20:24] <spyketomato> ooh - gotta write this down :) - thanks Rioting_pacifist :)
[20:26] <Rioting_pacifist> spyketomato: i got it wrong to start with you dont need to  start kwin --replace 1st you can go straight to compiz or if you know the command something like kde-window-decrator will just fix the decoration
[20:27] <spyketomato> Rioting_pacifist: it worked in any case :)
[20:29] <navetz_> can someone help me use mod rewrite iwht apache
[20:34] <Rioting_pacifist> navetz_: probably not here maybe #linux or #apache could be more use
[20:43] <Walzmyn> I've got pidgin set to play a sound when i get a message - but it don't. Is anybody else having this issue?
[20:44] <tressa> hello, I am having problems getting my USB camera to work in 8.04.  Any time I try to open it in Dolphin, it says it "could not lock the device"
[20:45] <tressa> other USB devices, like memory sticks, mount and work fine
[20:47] <tressa> the camera also works fine in Windows
[20:48] <tressa> if I wait long enough, it tries to load the directory, but then I get the error when I try to open a picture.  It also says all pictures are 0 bytes
[21:00] <edugonch> Hello, I just install kubuntu 8.04 whit kde 4 and can't connect to my network, I can't use ifconfig to configure my ip, I have these error ///> could not find module kcm?knetworkconfmodule
[21:00] <edugonch> any help please
[21:03] <cyberboss> !france
[21:07] <kreib> hey, whats the purpose of the thing on the back of a pci express 16 slot?
[21:08] <kreib> it like a hook
[21:20] <RabidWeezle> Hello, I'm running ubuntu with kde, and wanted to know, how do you change video resolution in kde? figured the kubuntu people would know
[21:20] <rav> hello. if i'm using the b43 kernel module for a broadcom wifi card, then what driver should i use for wpa_supplicant?
[21:20] <RabidWeezle> good question rav, I've been looking for that answer too
[21:22] <rav> RabidWeezle: I used to use Debian on that laptop, but there, the new kernels started conflicting with ndiswrapper
[21:23] <RabidWeezle> ouch!
[21:23] <RabidWeezle> well, I'm never running debian anyway, I don't know scientific english
[21:23] <RabidWeezle> their manuals are made for college folks
[21:24] <RabidWeezle> I'm saying I'm not that educated to run debian
[21:24] <RabidWeezle> ^_^
[21:24] <rav> but it seems I have the same problem with kubuntu. ndiswrapper is not working with the broadcom card. it is working on this laptop with an atheros though
[21:24] <RabidWeezle> oh?!
[21:24] <RabidWeezle> wpa doesn't work for me, but open networks do :(
[21:24] <RabidWeezle> but luckily, I connect to an open network
[21:24] <lars> system settings -> size, orientation, and positioning
[21:25] <RabidWeezle> thanks
[21:25] <lars> system settings -> monitor & display
[21:25] <guille> hola gente
[21:25] <guille> me leen
[21:26] <guille> necesito ayudaa :)
[21:26] <RabidWeezle> lars, oops, doesn't look like I have that installed, maybe I should install kubuntu instead of running ubuntu with kde :/
[21:26] <RabidWeezle> hrm...
[21:26] <RabidWeezle> I think... there is a way to apt in kubuntu's stuff
[21:27] <RabidWeezle> !spanish
[21:27] <lars> RabidWeezle: sorry i told you kinda wrong it is system settings -> monitor & display -> orientation, and positioning
[21:27] <RabidWeezle> yeah, ubuntu with kde installed don't show that at all, must be a kubuntu only thing
[21:28] <RabidWeezle> not your fault lars
[21:28] <RabidWeezle> my menu is like way different, but lemme see if I can install kubuntu's stuff over ubuntu's stuff
[21:29] <RabidWeezle> woo
[21:29] <RabidWeezle> RabidWeezle: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[21:29]  * RabidWeezle does the kubuntu dance
[21:32] <helpy> can anyone help me with partitions ?
[21:32] <helpy> I have installed kubuntu through wubi
[21:33] <helpy> i have three drives. i want to merge em all into one and keep dual boot dual with vista and kubuntu
[21:33] <helpy> any ideas how i can do that ?
[21:33] <spyketomato> can anyone help me troubleshoot my sound? Working on a fresh install of hardy (kde 3.5.9) and sound WAS working when i first rebooted, now it's not, but a lot can happen in the three hours I've been configuring ;)
[21:34] <helpy> what did you configure spyketomato ?
[21:34] <rav> helpy: i've never used it. but the kubuntu installer allows for dual boots. don't know if it'll work on multiple drives though
[21:34] <helpy> no no i already have dual boot
[21:34] <spyketomato> helpy: i didn't think i configured anything that had to do with sound... the only thing I can think of is when I installed a couple more media players (mplayer, totem...)
[21:35] <helpy> i have three drives. i just want to keep one drive. 120 gb in one
[21:35] <helpy> umm so now you play songs and it doesnt work ?
[21:35] <lars> spyketomato: please google things before you come to us. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449 it is ubuntu but it is done in a console
[21:35] <helpy> i wonder how do you do that in gparted rav
[21:35] <spyketomato> thanks lars
[21:36] <rav> helpy: sorry, never used gparted
[21:36] <helpy> hmm ok
[21:36] <helpy> How about i format whole hard disk and then install windows and kubuntu through wubi ?
[21:36] <helpy> but i dont want to lose my configurations
[21:38] <rav> helpy: i've only done one dual boot, and I used the partition editor from the installer. i first defragmented the hdd many many times to pack all the windows stuff on the front, then resized the partition during installation
[21:40] <helpy> can you combine all partitions to one at the time of installation ?
[21:40] <helpy> or can i use vista partition manager to format all drives into one ?
[21:41] <SniZzo> all partition to one u can
[21:41] <helpy> actually the drive that i have installed kubuntu is only 20 gb and i am out of space now
[21:41] <helpy> i need to install microsoft office in WINE
[21:41] <rav> helpy: yes, but the contents will be erased. to preserve contents you'll have to edit the partition table
[21:41] <SniZzo> OOo not good?
[21:41] <helpy> i dont mind about contents. they're all backed up
[21:41] <helpy> OOo sucks
[21:41] <helpy> i lose all formatting
[21:41] <helpy> tables never display right.
[21:42] <helpy> and no advance tools like references and APA
[21:42] <rav> helpy: then you should be fine, using the manual option in the partitioning part of the installer. but i'm talking of the regular kubuntu installer. I've never used wubi
[21:42] <helpy> i dont have kubuntu cd
[21:42] <helpy> i downloaded iso and ran wubi
[21:43] <helpy> can't burn it on dvd, something with my lousy dvd writer
[21:44] <elbasan> I have a digital camera ChameleonMega and I am trying to connect to my kubuntu
[21:44] <elbasan> help
[21:44] <elbasan> I have a CD but is for XP
[21:45] <helpy> i think there is some package called cheese something elbasan. google it
[21:45] <llutz> elbasan: have you tried digikam?
[21:45] <elbasan> yes
[21:45] <rav> elbasan: plug it in and turn the cam on. In most cases it will detect it as a camera, or a flash drive
[21:45] <elbasan> but I dont see my camera name on the list
[21:46] <elbasan> I have my camera connect to my computer but nothing
[21:47] <elbasan> on digiKam their is a Auto-Detect I clik on that but I get fail to detect the camera
[21:48] <elbasan> any Idea
[21:56] <rav> has anyone every managed to use the b43 module for wireless?
[21:58] <jhutchins> rav: Not successfully so far.
[21:59] <crimsun_> I use b43 just fine on 8.04*
[21:59] <jhutchins> It gives me a wlan0 that shows various settings but won't configure.
[21:59] <crimsun_> jhutchins: are you using 2.6.24-19-generic?
[21:59] <rav> i see a wlan0, that doesn't even scan.
[22:00] <jhutchins> 2.6.24.4-laptop
[22:00] <jhutchins> Mandriva
[22:01] <jhutchins> Yeah, that's the problem I have, it won't scan.
[22:02] <jhutchins> Also, the Inspiron hotkeys won't turn it on and off.
[22:02] <crimsun_> which revision of what bcm?
[22:04] <ivan_> hi, i installed kubuntu in a partition, in the other partition is ubuntu, but i cant manage to mount that partition what do i have to do so i can acces ubuntu from the grub???
[22:05] <jhutchins> modinfo says 2.6.24.4 - oh, hardware.CM4318 [AirForce One 54g] rev 02
[22:06] <rav> i have the same card, on the kernel from Kubuntu CD, i think it is 2.6.24-16. I'm updating everything, see if that fixes it
[22:07] <lovre> does any1 use MicroSim package? PScpice?
[22:08] <jhutchins> rav: It's a real pain, there are three drivers, bcm43xx, ndiswrapper, and b43.
[22:08] <lovre> and why cant i join electronics channel-...
[22:09] <rav> jhutchings: i've used ndiswrapper succesfuly on that card, on a relative old kernel. once b43 and ssb modules came out, it broke. but i just found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=738216
[22:11] <francisco_> hola
[22:12] <rav> if using the latest kernel doesn't fix it, it'll try that
[22:15] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[22:21] <jhutchins> I think one of the problems is that none of the various ways of dealing with it put the firmware in the same place.
[22:43] <StultusApparatus> How do I restart mysql via command line?
[22:45] <llutz> sudo  /etc/init.d/mysql restart
[22:49] <KWillLuongo> Hello, when I upgraded to Hardy, my sound stopped working. Any suggestions?
[22:50] <jals> reinstall sound drivers?
[22:50] <jals> i'm a n00b, no idea really
[22:51] <lars> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449
[22:52] <wolton> what is best method to install nvidia drivers in kubuntu 7.10 ?
[22:57] <KWillLuongo> lars: thanks, I am trying it now
[22:57] <lars> system > hardware drivers manager it should have it in there
[23:17] <cyberboss> !france
[23:19] <wolton> do I need change source-list to get  "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-15-generic" ?
[23:21] <llutz> wolton: they are in security und gutsy-updates, so make sure to have one of them enabled
[23:22] <wolton> let me see ... thanks
[23:26] <system366> any1 can help with nVidia graphics driver?
[23:26] <system366> i have installed it with envyng
[23:27] <system366> the driver shows its working, i have desktop effects enabled and avant-window-navigator
[23:27] <system366> effects arnt working at all tho and the navigator just closes as soon as i start it
[23:28] <system366> sum1 earlyer got me to edit the screen section of my xorg.conf, now my screen is smaller and the effects ns tuff still dont work, we made a copy of the conf file, how can i rever back to it?
[23:29] <cyberboss> !france
[23:31] <system366> nvm,  im off to bed
[23:31] <system366> night all
[23:37] <ozzyneedhelp> can someone tell  me how  to fix adept
[23:38] <engineer> sudo apt-get -f install
[23:40] <ozzyneedhelp> it says resource is unavailable
[23:40] <Haza> engineer is a linux master :)
[23:40] <ozzyneedhelp> I thank him alot
[23:41] <engineer> paste the complete output
[23:41] <Haza> he seems to answer most peoples questions. including my own :D
[23:41] <Odd-rationale> !aptfix
[23:41] <Haza> engineer: I really must send you an Internet beer :)
[23:41] <engineer> Haza lol
[23:42] <Haza> engineer: :)
[23:42] <engineer> ozzyneedhelp you need to close adept
[23:42] <engineer> to use that command
[23:42] <Haza> engineer:  The question is.. how good are you with Wine? ;)
[23:42] <engineer> omg don't install xmms
[23:43] <ozzyneedhelp> actually thats just one of the 30 things I have set to install
[23:43] <engineer> i don't whine
[23:43] <engineer> ozzyneedhelp amarok is far much better
[23:43] <Haza> engineer: You don't miss your games?
[23:43] <engineer> Haza i prefer vmware
[23:43] <engineer> or i use my windows machine
[23:44] <ozzyneedhelp> is there a way I can get this to stoperroring.
[23:44] <Haza> engineer: heheh, i have no windows machine anymore. I decided if i was going to learn Linux then i would have to put myself in a positions where i have no choice :D
[23:44] <Haza> **position
[23:44] <ozzyneedhelp> how can I cancel the package install
[23:44] <engineer> ah, that can be good
[23:44] <engineer> but i must use a lot of windows-only software
[23:45] <engineer> !aptfix | ozzyneedhelp
[23:45] <ozzyneedhelp> im trying to quit windows and I havnt used nix in over 7 years :(
[23:45] <engineer> Haza where are you living int?
[23:45] <engineer> in
[23:45] <Haza> Scotland mate
[23:45] <Haza> engineer: Youself?
[23:46] <engineer> k
[23:46] <engineer> i got a friend in scotland
[23:46] <Haza> Oh aye?
[23:46] <engineer> i live in portugal
[23:46] <Haza> Ahhh, not too happy about the football result a couple of days ago then? ;)
[23:46] <ozzyneedhelp> frack it im just going to reinstall kubuntu
[23:47] <engineer> i don't care, i don't follow football much
[23:47] <engineer> ozzyneedhelp
[23:47] <ozzyneedhelp> thanks engineer
[23:47] <engineer> use a pastebin to show me the output of my command
[23:47] <engineer> !pastebin
[23:47] <Haza> engineer: Hehehe, fair enough. At least you qualified ;)
[23:47] <engineer> i believe other supports deserve better support
[23:48] <engineer> football players earn too much already to get my attention
[23:48] <engineer> and paste your sources.list as well
[23:49] <engineer> anyways i gotta get back to work
[23:50] <engineer> take care fellows
[23:55] <JuJuBee> What is the diff between installing kde4 and kubuntu-kde4-desktop ?
[23:55] <JuJuBee> I wish to play with kde4?
[23:56] <stdin> the kde4 package pretty much installs all of kde4, the kubuntu-kde4-desktop package installs a default KDE4 install
[23:57] <FoxI2> Does kde4 have a different adept manager? Because mine doesn't seem to show package info or required packages info and such.
[23:58] <JuJuBee> Well, I am looking to have kde3.x and kde4 both so I can switch back if need be.  Want to play with 4 see how it does.  I do not use gnome at all.  Should I go with kde4-desktop?
[23:58] <Dragnslcr> JuJuBee- yeah, install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[23:59] <JuJuBee> That will still allow me to choose between 3 and 4 correct?  At login?
[23:59] <Dragnslcr> Yup
[23:59] <JuJuBee> Kool here goes...