[17:57] <cody-somerville> :)
[17:57] <cody-somerville> I gotta run. j1mc is going to host the meeting for me :)
[17:57] <cody-somerville> Have fun fellows
[17:59] <j1mc> hi all - who all is here?
[19:11] <TheSheep> cody-somerville: so I guess the meeting is cancelled?
[19:12] <techno_freak> oh?
[19:49] <jcastro> 10 minutes until "How to Run a Bug Jam"!
[19:55] <ccm> good luck with it, jcastro :)
[19:55] <greg-g> no luck needed ;)
[19:56] <ccm> right. just kind of an idiom :)
[19:57] <jcastro> heh
[19:58] <jcastro> greg-g: do you know how to control the bot?
[19:59] <greg-g> no clue
[19:59] <jcastro> heh, no worries
[20:00] <jcastro> ok, I guess we should start with introductions
[20:00] <jcastro> I'm jorge castro, I'm on the ubuntu community team.
[20:00] <greg-g> Hello everyone!  Welcome to the second session of "How to Run a Bug Jam"
[20:00] <greg-g> my name is Greg Grossmeier and the leader of the Michigan (US) LoCo Team
[20:01] <jcastro> so if you're here from the meeting please say hello!
[20:01] <jcastro> and what team you're representing. (or if you're just hanging out)
[20:01] <jacob> i might be ducking in and out (was in here yesterday) but I suppose i'm here. Hello from Ohio!
[20:02] <greg-g> Hello jacob
[20:02]  * chuckf representing MarylandTeam
[20:02] <greg-g> welcome
[20:02] <jcastro> I see Maryland already has all their stuff filed out on the wiki
[20:03] <nxvl> jcastro: #startmeeting
[20:03] <jcastro> nxvl: ah
[20:03] <chuckf> largly, yeah
[20:03] <jcastro> #startmeeting
[20:03] <jcastro> like that?
[20:03] <jcastro> ok whatever, let's get started!
[20:03] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam
[20:03] <nxvl> yes, mathiaz always use something like that
[20:03] <jcastro> this is the main page we're going to use for coordinating the jam
[20:04] <greg-g> and tips for how to run it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam/Prep
[20:04] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam/Prep
[20:04] <jcastro> and this page is what we're going to discuss today
[20:04]  * nxvl represents Peru
[20:04] <jcastro> so if you remember one thing, it's that last URL. :)
[20:04] <jcastro> Ok, before we get into the nitty gritty
[20:04] <jcastro> the first thing that is most important for the Jam
[20:04] <jcastro> is that everyone has a good time.
[20:05]  * greg-g nods
[20:05] <jcastro> If 300 people show up
[20:05] <jcastro> and you only triage 1 bug, then that's totally fine
[20:05] <jcastro> the idea is to get Local teams together and having a good time
[20:05] <jcastro> so down the road when you want to do a social event, you'll know how to do a jam and can do one whenever you want
[20:06] <jcastro> we would like to see LoCos just running jams on their own and doing what their members want to do
[20:06] <jcastro> so hopefully we can make these fun so people want to do them
[20:06] <jcastro> so for example
[20:06] <jcastro> we just had a jam in michigan
[20:06] <jcastro> and due to weather only 3 people showed up
[20:06] <jcastro> but we still had a great time
[20:06]  * greg-g and me being in California
[20:06] <jcastro> so you should measure success by how good a time people had, and how you take notes to make things better next time, etc.
[20:07] <jcastro> don't use raw numbers or bug counts as your measurement of success
[20:07] <jcastro> those are just great side effects. :)
[20:07] <jcastro> Any questions so far?
[20:07] <chuckf> nope
[20:07] <jcastro> greg-g: want to go into venues?
[20:07] <jcastro> we can alternate on topics
[20:07] <greg-g> sure
[20:07] <siretart> FYI, we are having a BugJam right now in nueremberg, with 15 attendees (including myself) :)
[20:07] <greg-g> siretart: nice!
[20:08] <jcastro> siretart: oh well, that's awesome!
[20:08] <nxvl> jcastro: i have a doubt
[20:08] <greg-g> ?
[20:08] <nxvl> jcastro: the idea of the GBJ is to fix bugs or just to triage them, or both of them?
[20:08] <jcastro> nxvl: fix would be nice, but shoot for triage
[20:08]  * greg-g nods
[20:08] <jcastro> nxvl: people should know how to triage
[20:09] <nxvl> jcastro: so the goal is triaging, but if you fix them it's even nicer?
[20:09] <jcastro> and as your bug jams progress your team can go as advanced as they want
[20:09] <jcastro> yep, of course. :D
[20:09] <greg-g> So, Venues...
[20:09] <greg-g> You need some place that has power, internet, and places to sit for everyone that is going to show up (obviously)
[20:09] <greg-g> but, it also needs to be conducive to listening to one person talking for a little bit and asking questions
[20:10] <greg-g> some good places are offices of Open Source Friendly businesses or even Library conference rooms (where Michigan had ours)
[20:10] <greg-g> where is your bug jam going on siretart ?
[20:11] <jcastro> I bet in a pub. :)
[20:11] <greg-g> (feel free to answer later siretart ) another place we have done things for our team is at a person's house
[20:11] <greg-g> There we had the essentials plus nice seating and food and drinks
[20:12] <greg-g> so really, anywhere that is comfortable and conducive to group work.
[20:12] <greg-g> and, cheap :)
[20:13] <greg-g> any questions on venues? or other suggestions before we move on?
[20:13] <chuckf> colleges
[20:13] <jcastro> Colleges are always good
[20:13] <greg-g> good one
[20:13] <chuckf> the cis groups tend to have presentation/work rooms available on weekends
[20:13] <nxvl> we are thinking on running ours on a starbucks
[20:13] <jcastro> because you can link up with like a computer club or ACM or something and get more participation
[20:14] <greg-g> just make sure you have a way for everyone to get internet access where ever you are
[20:14] <chuckf> also check with local lugs see if they have inet friendly places
[20:14] <greg-g> yep.  and in general, communicating with the LUGs is a good idea
[20:14] <jcastro> It also doesn't hurt to ensure that there's enough power plugs for everyone, if not, just ask people to bring along power strips or whatever
[20:15] <chuckf> and a wireless ap for the group to work off of depending on the venue
[20:15] <greg-g> yep
[20:15] <greg-g> if there aren't any more venue questions, lets move on to Promotion
[20:16] <jcastro> ok
[20:16] <jcastro> so the biggest thing to help with promotion is to ensure that your loco is on the wiki page
[20:16] <jcastro> since we'll be blogging/twittering, and generally pointing people to that page
[20:16] <jcastro> also, your local team mailing list
[20:17] <jcastro> and your local lug mailing list is another place where you might want to send a mail
[20:17] <jcastro> lots of LoCo people are also local LUG people so with that overlap it's easy to get the word out
[20:17] <jcastro> other places to get the word out include local computer stores and shows
[20:18] <nxvl> i'm running some packagin jams here for the university lugs and telling them about the GBJ
[20:18] <jcastro> like, before they went out of business, our local CompUSA had a bulletin board where people could post stuff
[20:18] <greg-g> nxvl: good deal
[20:18] <jcastro> and in general, blogging about it on planet ubuntu, your blog, twitter, etc. etc. is a good way to promote it
[20:18] <nxvl> so i prepare people to fix bugs and know how to do them and also i invite them to stay tunned for it
[20:18] <jcastro> and if you've noticed we've put the word out on podcasts as well
[20:19] <jcastro> any other ideas for promotion?
[20:19] <jcastro> oh, your local area in the ubuntu forums if you have one
[20:19] <greg-g> along with the LUGs, be sure to contact the local ACM chapter at the university (if there is one)
[20:19] <jcastro> pointing people to the wiki page so they can get the date/time information, etc.
[20:19] <nxvl> jcastro: another way to promote event is to exchange publicity for content
[20:19] <nxvl> on the local magazines
[20:19] <jcastro> local university clubs are great, I used to ask CS professors to announce LoCo stuff
[20:19] <nxvl> or newspapers
[20:20] <jcastro> nxvl: ah, right, local media.
[20:20] <nxvl> you give them some content for them to make articles
[20:20] <nxvl> and ask them to mention the event
[20:20] <jcastro> It would be cool if you could get like a local newspaper, magazine, or radio/tv news or something to cover your event
[20:20] <jcastro> in return for highly technical articles. :D
[20:20] <greg-g> thats a great idea
[20:20] <jcastro> greg-g: we need to do that!
[20:20] <greg-g> noted
[20:21] <jcastro> anything else for Promotion before we get to the "Pre-Bug Jam Checklist of Awesome"?
[20:21] <nxvl> we have used it in some other events and it works fine
[20:21] <nxvl> :D
[20:22] <greg-g> Checklist of Awesome:
[20:22] <greg-g> First thing that is critical on the Checklist of Awesome is: ensuring everyone has a Launchpad Account
[20:22] <greg-g> without that, the participants can't make any bugs better themselves
[20:23] <greg-g> Checklist of Awesome number 2: 5-a-day preparedness
[20:23] <greg-g> does everyone know what 5-a-day is?
[20:23]  * chuckf does
[20:23] <nxvl> 5-a-day rocks!
[20:24] <greg-g> well, quickly, 5-a-day is a way to have the amount of work you are doing on bugs to be recorded.  but not only for you, but your loco team as well
[20:24] <greg-g> there are instructions at wiki.u.c/5-a-day
[20:24] <greg-g> Checklist of Awesome number 3: what package(s) does your group love?
[20:25] <chuckf> and there's not a problem of just cutting people loose to decide what they want to handle themselves right?
[20:25] <greg-g> to make things like this matter to the participants you don't want to triage bugs for a package no one uses.  Find popular packages that need some love, and get a list out for that package.  At the end of the day people will feel like they really helped
[20:25] <greg-g> oh right, you can break up into groups and have people interested in similar things work together
[20:26] <greg-g> 4 or so people per group is probably a good number, depending on how many people come
[20:26] <jcastro> chuckf: yeah, the idea is if people want to work on a specific project, then let them break out into groups or whatever
[20:26] <greg-g> Checklist of Awesome 4: irc channel for pasting links
[20:27] <jcastro> chuckf: some locos might want to target one thing for their entire group, or a specific upstream. Whatever works for you.
[20:27] <greg-g> make sure everyone knows where the loco's irc channel is and how to get on
[20:27] <chuckf> k
[20:27] <greg-g> Checklist of Awesome 5: have fun!
[20:27] <chuckf> and there will, i assume, be a gbj room set up on the weekend
[20:28] <greg-g> well, #ubuntu-bugs will have a bunch of experienced bug triagers
[20:28] <jcastro> it'll be in ubuntu-bugs
[20:28] <jcastro> so I think the best thing to do
[20:28] <greg-g> and then your loco team can be in your channel for more direct communication
[20:28] <jcastro> is have people idle in there that want to, but use your local channel for noisier conversation
[20:28] <greg-g> (or use gobby)
[20:29] <jcastro> but there should be at least one person in #ubuntu-bugs from your group to coordinate with everyone
[20:29] <greg-g> right
[20:29] <jcastro> in case you're loco is working on say a certain list of bugs
[20:29] <jcastro> we don't want another loco to come along and start working on the same list
[20:29] <jcastro> so we'll use #ubuntu-bugs for your loco to say "we're working on foo!" or whatever
[20:30] <greg-g> and, that Checklist of Awesome can be found on the GlobalBugJam/Prep wiki page (I'll add some more to it later).  So, go over that and send out instructions for the simple things before the day of the event
[20:30] <nxvl> greg-g: don't forget about gpg keys
[20:30] <jcastro> please note the tags for the 5-a-day application!
[20:30] <greg-g> like "No Launchpage account? No worries!" kinda thins
[20:30] <greg-g> nxvl: key signing?
[20:31] <nxvl> greg-g: not, just for people to have gpg keys
[20:31] <chuckf> they are not needed for bug triaging
[20:31] <chuckf> I thought
[20:31] <jcastro> yeah
[20:31] <greg-g> right
[20:31] <jcastro> they're not
[20:31] <nxvl> yes, but most of them will want to fix some bugs
[20:31] <greg-g> not needed, but if people ask about them you can do a 1 on 1 with them to set it up
[20:32] <chuckf> though our team is having a tutorial/signing over the next month
[20:32] <nxvl> since there are some really bitsize ones
[20:32] <nxvl> and it will be great for people to fix them
[20:32] <nxvl> :D
[20:32] <jcastro> yeah that's fine
[20:32] <jcastro> just don't start off a jam with "and now we're going to do a massive keysigning"
[20:32] <greg-g> nxvl: if you have some experienced packagers on hand to help out with that, yeah
[20:32] <greg-g> right, takes a lot of time
[20:32] <jcastro> don't want to scare people off too early!
[20:32] <nxvl> greg-g: i am :D
[20:33] <greg-g> nxvl: good deal
[20:33] <chuckf> our keysigning will be the prior week so it'll be out of the way:)
[20:33] <jcastro> good idea
[20:33] <chuckf> we should be done by the start of this
[20:33] <chuckf> :)
[20:33] <jcastro> heh
[20:33] <greg-g> chuckf: that is a good way to do it.  at some other event like a basic get-together
[20:34] <chuckf> ours is going to be a the nsa crypto museum
[20:34] <chuckf> :)
[20:34] <greg-g> nice
[20:35] <greg-g> here is the rundown:
[20:35] <greg-g> Checklist of Awesome: 1) Launchpad 2) 5-a-day 3) Popular Packages 4) IRC channel information  5) FUN!
[20:35] <greg-g> next item on the agenda?
[20:35] <nxvl> 6) Friends!
[20:35] <jcastro> Running it!
[20:35] <jcastro> OK, so something we've had success with
[20:35] <jcastro> was a presenter go over a few examples
[20:35] <jcastro> so new people get an idea of what to do
[20:36] <nxvl> greg-g: don't forget about the most important part of a community!
[20:36] <jcastro> if you have experienced triagers already there, you can break them off into groups with other peopole
[20:36] <greg-g> nxvl: beer?
[20:36] <nxvl> greg-g: no, friends!
[20:36] <jcastro> so new people have an experienced person in their group to help them
[20:36] <jcastro> or you can have one smart person up front answering questions
[20:36]  * greg-g smiles at nxvl 
[20:36] <jcastro> what we did is started working on our own list of bugs
[20:37] <jcastro> and if someone had a question they would yell out the number, and then the person connected to the projector would load it up
[20:37] <jcastro> and we would look through it, and decide what to do
[20:37] <chuckf> are there any 'demo' bugs in the system that we can use?
[20:37] <jcastro> if not, then one person would ask in #ubuntu-bugs
[20:37] <jcastro> chuckf: there will be a premade list of bugs, but I should ask about some demo bugs
[20:37] <jcastro> that's a good idea
[20:37] <greg-g> noted
[20:38] <jcastro> the lists of bugs will be made available before the jam
[20:38] <jcastro> so basically your loco picks one of the parts of the list
[20:38] <jcastro> and starts working on it
[20:38] <chuckf> maybe have a 'gbj-marylandteam' bug
[20:39] <nxvl> jcastro: also if there are no experienced triagers or packagers, it's cool to have meetings with tome people on the community and start working with them and teaching
[20:39] <jcastro> chuckf: wolfger runs our jams, and he's experienced, so usually he just finds a bug in real time and triages it on the spot
[20:39] <nxvl> s/no/just one/g
[20:39] <jcastro> nxvl: yep, if everyone is brand new I expect most of the time you will just be teaching
[20:39] <jcastro> which is why we don't put an emphasis on the amount of bugs you triage
[20:39]  * greg-g nods
[20:40] <chuckf> and it's difficult to quota volunteers:)
[20:40] <jcastro> at the very minimum, if you get lost, frustrated, or it's turning into a disaster, you can always concentrate on just teaching people little things.
[20:40] <jcastro> yeah
[20:40] <jcastro> I suspect we'll get a few reports that start off with "We started triaging and then decided to go to the pub instead."
[20:41] <jcastro> So whatever works for you. :D
[20:41] <greg-g> :)
[20:41] <greg-g> So, what to do after the GBJ is over?  Good question
[20:41] <nxvl> jcastro: heh
[20:42] <nxvl> greg-g: key signing and beers
[20:42] <nxvl> :D
[20:42] <greg-g> 1) Put our pictures online (flickr or something) with tags that will help people find them (global-bug-jam-2008 or similar)
[20:42] <chuckf> take the spouses/friends out to dinner for abandoning them all day:)
[20:42] <greg-g> both good suggestions :)
[20:42] <greg-g> 2) beer
[20:42] <greg-g> 3) spouse/friend dinner
[20:42] <greg-g> 4) get feedback from the participants
[20:43] <greg-g> like how it went, what to do differently next time, etc
[20:43] <greg-g> not formal questionaire or anything, just take notes
[20:43] <greg-g> 5) plan some future bug jams!
[20:43] <greg-g> 6) Blog it, blog it, blog it
[20:44] <jcastro> yeah, do like a quick feedback thing at the end, where people can say what sucked, what rocked, etc.
[20:44] <jcastro> and then put those notes on your loco wiki
[20:44] <greg-g> yeah, just generally take some notes on how well it was executed
[20:44] <greg-g> right
[20:44] <jcastro> so you can say "don't go to this place again!" or "this place was real friendly!"
[20:44] <jcastro> things like that
[20:44] <greg-g> including information on the venue you used (good/bad/ugly)
[20:45] <jcastro> also, if you could put the feedback in your loco monthly report, that would be great. Also your local list.
[20:45] <jcastro> we'd like to get as much feedback as to how the event went across the world
[20:45] <jcastro> even if it's bad!
[20:45] <greg-g> yeah, if it didn't work, it is good to know why
[20:46] <greg-g> are there any other questions at this time?
[20:46] <xander21c> The idea is to make it fun instead to be too academic type
[20:46] <greg-g> correct!
[20:46] <jcastro> cool cool!
[20:46] <jcastro> this is going to rock.
[20:47] <greg-g> heck yeah, I'm excited for August 8-10th
[20:47] <jcastro> any other questions?
[20:47] <xander21c> nxvl and I are looking for a fun place with wifi :) in Lima
[20:47] <nxvl> yes
[20:47] <jcastro> if you think of some later, track me down on irc or you can mail me at jorge at ubuntu.com
[20:48] <nxvl> xander21c: i find a nice Starbuck that we can use
[20:48] <chuckf> what time zone are we starting from:)
[20:48] <xander21c> nxvl: nice :)
[20:48] <greg-g> chuckf: whenever it is August 8th for you
[20:48] <nxvl> chuckf: just any, that's why it's so many days
[20:48] <nxvl> xander21c: just use 9th and you will hace no change to fail
[20:48] <nxvl> :D
[20:49] <nxvl> s/ xander21c / chuckf /g
[20:49] <xander21c> also can make and advocacy showing Ubuntu + compiz
[20:49]  * chuckf was making a joke after the FF release day compaints
[20:49] <chuckf> complaints
[20:49] <greg-g> chuckf: :)
[20:50] <jcastro> chuckf: we're kind of flexible on start/end times
[20:50] <jcastro> whatever works for you
[20:50] <jcastro> greg-g: will you be back for ours?
[20:50] <greg-g> :( no
[20:50] <jcastro> dang
[20:50] <greg-g> I'll be online though as much as I can
[20:50] <snap-l> greg-g: bummer
[20:51]  * nxvl too
[20:51] <nxvl> let's make GBJ as cool as we can!
[20:51] <greg-g> any other questions/ideas from anyone?
[20:51] <nxvl> it need to rock!
[20:52] <greg-g> it WILL rock! ;)
[20:52] <jcastro> with people like you nxvl how can we fail!
[20:54]  * nxvl HUGS jcastro and greg-g 
[20:54]  * greg-g hugs nxvl back
[20:55] <greg-g> and with that: thanks everyone for coming and go have great Bug Jams!
[20:56] <chuckf> thanks for the chat!@
[20:56] <greg-g> thank you
[20:57] <greg-g> ... for running a bug jam :)
[20:57] <chuckf> krispy kreme for breakfast and pizza for lunch, what more incentive do I need???
[20:58] <jcastro> have a good one guys!
[20:58]  * jcastro hugs everyone
[20:58] <chuckf> oh, helping make the software I use better is just a side benefit:)
[20:58] <greg-g> my best to everyone!
[21:00] <nxvl> jcastro: be carefull of everyone huging you!
[21:00] <nxvl> jcastro: as in the flash hug
[21:00] <nxvl> :P
[21:00] <jcastro> heh
[21:01] <juliux> ,v _stink_
[21:27]  * xander21c see u later guys