[00:38] <Speckal> hi all
[01:33] <MtRx> hi
[02:08]  * IFlyGTi is away -( I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that... )- at 09:08p -( P:Off / L:Off )-
[02:34] <homebrewcider> hey there, got a dual boot system, xubuntu being default, plugged a USB keyboard in, works in Xubuntu fine, but when son goes to select Windoze on boot, it won't let him go down to the windoze part at the boot screen
[02:34] <homebrewcider> any ideas?
[02:36] <Odd-rationale> homebrewcider: does the keyboard not work at all in the boot menu (GRUB) ?
[02:36] <cody-somerville> homebrewcider, his computer is too old and his bios doesn't support USB
[02:37] <Odd-rationale> ah, i didn't realize that there were computers that old... :)
[02:37] <homebrewcider> tried to hit the down button but to no avail
[02:37] <cody-somerville> Odd-rationale, plug in a psaux keyboard and it'll work fine
[02:37] <cody-somerville> er
[02:37] <cody-somerville> homebrewcider,
[02:38] <homebrewcider> I can boot to a usb drive if necessary so that would mean the bios was fine wouldn't it?
[02:42] <homebrewcider> I'll work on this later
[02:44] <cody-somerville> It isn't that the bios doesn't "support" usb
[02:45] <cody-somerville> it doesn't support taking usb input
[04:21] <phaedrus__> I have been having trouble running ubuntu on my thinkpad, and was wondering if Xubuntu might work better, but I'm not really sure what the difference is
[07:36] <nubuntu> hola guys.  can anyone tell me another possibility to fix my screenres?  i tried changing the default depth in x11 file to 16, but there were no apparent differences.
[07:37] <lc2> nubuntu: define "fix my screenres"
[07:41] <lc2> nubuntu: netsplit, you missed my question
[07:41] <lc2> 07:37 < lc2> nubuntu: define "fix my screenres"
[09:41] <kripz> my touchpad keeps pasting when i use the scroller... how do i stop this?
[09:42] <kripz> it seems to be vertical scroll causin it
[09:54] <gabkdlly> kripz: sounds like some crazy third mouse button action going on.  You could try deactivating the third mouse button in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:54] <kripz> ive disabled emulate3button or whatever but that didnt do it
[09:59] <gabkdlly> hmmm, http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/mouse.4.html
[09:59] <gabkdlly> does that help?
[10:00] <gabkdlly> I am guessing you want to change your mouse from a three button to a two button
[10:03] <gabkdlly> Option "Buttons" "2"
[10:03] <gabkdlly> you might try just adding that
[10:03] <gabkdlly> in the proper section of course
[10:05] <kripz> i cant restart X yet so ill try it later
[10:06] <kripz> gabkdlly, do you know what the button combo involving scroll is to paste?
[10:07] <gabkdlly> pressing the middle mouse button (per default) pastes whatever you last highlighted
[10:07] <gabkdlly> on my mouse, the scroll wheel also serves as the middle mouse button
[10:08] <gabkdlly> I think a lot of mouses are built like that
[10:08] <gabkdlly> mice :)
[10:09] <gabkdlly> so, I guess Xorg is getting confused when it gets taps on the "scroll wheel", which is (I am guessing) just a region on your track pad
[10:22]  * Narfee is back (gone 02:07:48)
[10:22]  * Narfee is away: mi tawa taso ilo toki mi li open
[10:23] <kripz> well im tapping it, and its not doing anything
[10:23]  * Narfee is back (gone 00:01:38)
[12:02] <kripz> is it possible to find the value of a setting currently used by X? i need to find the value of an autodetected value
[12:03] <lc2> yes it should be
[12:03] <lc2> what do you want to find out?
[12:03] <kripz> Buttons
[12:03] <lc2> buttons?
[12:05] <kripz> Option "Buttons" "integer"
[12:05] <kripz> Specifies the number of mouse buttons. In cases where the number of buttons cannot be auto-detected, the default value is 3. The maximum number is 24.
[12:06] <lc2> oh okay
[12:06] <lc2> lemme look
[12:09] <lc2> grep 'Configured Mouse\: Buttons\:' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:09] <lc2> although that tells me i have nine, lawl.
[12:11] <kripz> hmm
[12:11] <lc2> 4 and 5 being the mousewheel
[12:11] <kripz> trying to figure out my problem when i scroll using the touchpad and i end up pasting
[12:12] <lc2> kripz: you need to set your Z-axis mapping manually
[12:13] <lc2> inb4 "how do you do that", i don't know but i can find out for you
[12:13] <kripz> currently its at grep 'Configured Mouse\: Buttons\:' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:13] <kripz>  grep 'Configured Mouse\: ZAxisMapping\:' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:13] <kripz> (**) Configured Mouse: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
[12:14] <kripz> althought i dont know what that means
[12:15] <lc2> the Z axis is what a scroll wheel usually operates
[12:15] <kripz> ok so i mapped negative motion to button 4, and positive to 5, that sounds correct
[12:16] <lc2> scroll down = button 5, scroll up = button 4 normally
[12:16] <lc2> that's what most mice do
[12:16] <lc2> brb tea
[12:17] <lc2> okay, kettle's on
[12:17] <lc2> what you need to do, is figure out what buttons are being sent when you scroll using the touchpad
[12:18] <lc2> you can do that by opening xev in a terminal and watching what happens in the terminal as you do so in teh window
[12:20] <kripz> ok
[12:20] <lc2> do me something, press every button in aforementioned xev window and tell me what buttons send what
[12:21] <lc2> and we can try a temp fix with xmodmap before screwing with your xorg.conf
[12:21] <kripz> lc2, 5/4, but i do have 	Option 		"ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
[12:21] <kripz> ok ill try every button
[12:25] <kripz> left = 1, right = 3, left+right = 2, vert scroll = 4up, 5 odwn, hori= 6left, 7 right
[12:26] <kripz> lc2, tapping sections of the vert scroll rfesults in different buttons
[12:26] <lc2> hm, what
[12:26] <lc2> and vert scroll makes you paste
[12:26] <lc2> ?
[12:27] <kripz> yes
[12:27] <kripz> tapping the very top of vert scroll results in button 2
[12:27] <kripz> which is middle mouse click?
[12:27] <kripz> i think thats the prob
[12:27] <lc2> yes, that is
[12:27] <lc2> *thinks*
[12:28] <kripz> http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/mouse.4.html
[12:29] <lc2> thinkpad by any chance?
[12:29] <kripz> xorg says synaptic touch pad
[12:29] <lc2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=544747
[12:30] <lc2> try that
[12:41] <kripz> hmm none of these settings have any affect
[13:50] <wbadger> hello, I've just installed xubuntu 8.04 which also reinstalled grub, and when I try to boot into it I get "Starting up" and the screen freezes. Can anyone help?
[17:09] <WhoNeedszzz> Hey guys. I put the battery monitor plugin into the taskbar but it for time remaining it constantly shows 00:00. Why is it doing that?
[17:09] <cody-somerville> What version of Xubuntu are you running?
[17:09] <WhoNeedszzz> hardy
[17:11] <cody-somerville> Please file a bug :)
[17:11] <xbitcarry> Hi all, good day.
[17:17] <WhoNeedszzz> ugh
[17:17] <WhoNeedszzz> i hate that
[17:19] <xbitcarry> What?
[17:29] <lc2> ..
[18:22] <cyzie> hi, does upgrade check for foreign package (custom package) and it will break the upgrade?
[19:44] <bullium> how often does xubuntu update packages?
[19:45] <Odd-rationale> bullium: depends, really...
[19:50] <bullium> I've just noticed that ubuntu has upgraded to firefox 3 and xubuntu is still on beta 5...I mean I've downloaded firefox 3 from mozilla's site so I'm running the latest anyway...just curious is all
[19:53] <Odd-rationale> bullium: strange. all the *buntus uses the same repos... so you whould be able to install anything you can in ubuntu. maybe you need to update your repo? (sudo apt-get update) or you might have a slow mirror...
[20:00] <bullium> Odd-rationale: I prolly do
[20:07] <bullium> Odd-rationale: yep slow mirror...changed to a new mirror 114 updates including firefox :)
[20:56] <rockyrock> hi guys
[20:56] <Odd-rationale> rockyrock: hi
[20:58] <rockyrock> I'm a C programmer, how can i help in developing xubuntu??
[20:59] <rockyrock> hello!!! I want to help!
[20:59] <rockyrock> anybody!
[21:00] <kibibyte> hi
[21:00] <kibibyte> how to add remove programs entries  from menu
[21:00] <kibibyte> from start menu
[21:04] <eago> hi.... i was wondering if other then the windows manager are there more differences between ubuntu and xubuntu
[21:04] <TheSheep> !xubuntu
[21:05] <TheSheep> eago: basically only the set of default applications
[21:05] <kibibyte> help
[21:05] <kibibyte> TheSheep, help
[21:05] <TheSheep> kibibyte: settings->settings manager->menu editor
[21:05] <eago> ok... thanks
[21:05] <kibibyte> but its empty
[21:06] <TheSheep> kibibyte: yes, so you can add to it
[21:06] <kibibyte> i mean there are no entries from my menu
[21:06] <kibibyte> just some separators and system
[21:06] <eago> so... if i install ubuntu and then a lightweight windows manager it will be justa s fast? i plan to install in an old puter
[21:06] <TheSheep> kibibyte: it's merged with the automatically-generated menu
[21:06] <kibibyte> where can i find this auto menu
[21:07] <TheSheep> kibibyte: it's generated dunamically from your installed applications
[21:07] <TheSheep> kibibyte: from files in /usr/share/applications/
[21:07] <whileimhere> Hi. Is there a way to reset my desktop back to its default look with a panel on the top and bottom etc without having to do it manually?
[21:08] <TheSheep> whileimhere: yes, you can just delete your config from .config/xfce4/xfce4-panel
[21:08] <kibibyte> TheSheep, which file?
[21:08] <whileimhere> Can I do that while I am in XFCE and then restart X?
[21:08] <TheSheep> kibibyte: all of them
[21:08] <TheSheep> kibibyte: one per application
[21:09] <whileimhere> Sorry I got bumped can you please repeat your answer
[21:10] <TheSheep> whileimhere: it's kept in ~/.config/xfce4/panel/ , you can delete it and then it will reset to defaults
[21:11] <whileimhere> Okay I have deleted the panel folder now just re-start X?
[21:11] <TheSheep> yes
[21:11] <whileimhere> okay here I go
[21:13] <whileimhere> Thank you so much that worked!
[21:13] <whileimhere> I have panels back and everything is very nice.
[21:14] <whileimhere> Do the panels have the ability to become transparent?
[21:14] <TheSheep> yes, if you have compositing enabled in window manager tweaks in settings
[21:14] <TheSheep> (last tab)
[21:15] <whileimhere> I know this will sound silly but is XFCE really that much less resource intense than KDE?
[21:15] <Odd-rationale> generally speaking, yes.
[21:15] <TheSheep> especially the file manager
[21:16] <whileimhere> Ok the programs I mostly use anymore are DigiKam, Amorak, and K3B I should not have any issues with those on here should I ?
[21:16] <TheSheep> though it's at the cost of sume functionality
[21:16] <TheSheep> whileimhere: no, but they will look out of place, as they are kde apps
[21:16] <Odd-rationale> whileimhere: try f-spot, banshee, and brasero as replacements...
[21:16] <TheSheep> bleh, banshee
[21:16] <whileimhere> Honestly from a pro photo standpoint f-spot leaves way to much to be desired.
[21:16] <Odd-rationale> whileimhere: plus, running kde apps will start up extra lib and stuff...
[21:16] <TheSheep> it's not really lighter :)
[21:17] <whileimhere> I see.
[21:17] <whileimhere> So KDE is what I should stay with then
[21:17] <TheSheep> exaile looks like amarok
[21:17] <kibibyte> TheSheep, but i see NetBeans entry in my menu and i canot find any file for netbeans in the directory you told me
[21:17] <kibibyte> i want to remove it
[21:18] <TheSheep> kibibyte: maybe just uninstall netbeans if you don't want it?
[21:18] <kibibyte> i uninstalled it but it still there
[21:18] <TheSheep> kibibyte: how did you install it in the first place?
[21:19] <kibibyte> with netbeans install script
[21:19] <kibibyte> and it added menu entry somehow
[21:19] <TheSheep> and how did you uninstall?
[21:19] <kibibyte> remove dirs
[21:20] <TheSheep> apparently it left a lot of trash behind, that wasn't very wise
[21:20] <kibibyte> i removed all .netbeans files
[21:20] <TheSheep> kibibyte: check ~/.local/share/applications/
[21:21] <kibibyte> ok its there :d
[21:27] <kibibyte> holland - russia 1:1 !!!!
[22:53] <hyppias> is wammu useful to connect to a nokia 6021 ?
[22:56] <hyppias> is wammu useful to connect to a nokia 6021 ?
[22:56] <xbj9000> hyppias this channel tends to be dead, try asking in plain old #ubuntu
[22:57] <hyppias> lots of pl around here ....
[22:57] <hyppias> ppl
[22:57] <hyppias> people
[22:57] <hyppias> dead nevertheless ?
[22:57] <xbj9000> yeah but I think they are all way having coffee lol
[22:58] <xbj9000> your question doesn't sound xubuntu specific so I'd try #ubuntu
[22:58] <hyppias> only in Brazil they have this much coffee....
[23:01] <kibibyte> wha
[23:01] <kibibyte> ?#
[23:14] <pottytheshitter> so heres to osama that son of a bitch may his pecker fall off with a 7 year itch
[23:15] <cody-somerville> : (
[23:21] <billenium> Hello, i just installed xubuntu (i had gnome..) with sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop. Then i restarted. I selected to login with xfce and when it did, it just showed a COMPLETELY light blue screen with my mouse on it... Why cant i use xubuntu?
[23:21] <cody-somerville> billenium, Hi, that is a known bug.
[23:21] <cody-somerville> billenium, bug #232364
[23:22] <cody-somerville> There is a workaround listed in the bug.
[23:23] <billenium> Okay well in the workaround i dont know how to do the first one :P
[23:23] <billenium> so i guess i just have to restart...
[23:23] <billenium> A couple times
[23:23] <cody-somerville> just push ctrl + alt + backspace
[23:23] <billenium> ah okay
[23:24] <billenium> Then attempt to login? Then do that over and over until it stops?
[23:24] <cody-somerville> It'll only restart X which is much quicker then restarting your computer.
[23:24] <billenium> okay thanks
[23:24] <billenium> bye bye :P
[23:24] <cody-somerville> You can also press ctrl + alt + F1
[23:24] <cody-somerville> IT'll put you in the virtual terminal
[23:24] <cody-somerville> And you can login and type:
[23:24] <billenium> dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session
[23:24] <billenium> ?
[23:24] <cody-somerville> no
[23:24] <cody-somerville> ps x
[23:25] <cody-somerville> and find the pid number of "dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session"
[23:25] <billenium> okay
[23:25] <cody-somerville> and then type: kill -9 <pid>
[23:25] <billenium> well ill try CRTL+ALT+BACK first :P
[23:25] <cody-somerville> replacing <pid> with the pid of the processes
[23:25] <cody-somerville> Okay :)
[23:25] <billenium> okay
[23:26] <billenium> Look at that!
[23:26] <billenium> So what are the main differences between xubuntu and ubuntu... gnome and xfce?
[23:26] <cody-somerville> It worked? :)
[23:26] <billenium> Yup :)
[23:26] <TheSheep> what's xcb exactly?
[23:27] <cody-somerville> TheSheep, a library that is supposed to be better than libx11 or something
[23:27] <cody-somerville> billenium, The packages installed by default is the difference, yes. :)
[23:27] <TheSheep> gotta love race conditions
[23:27] <cheeseboy> is there anyway i can get ossv4 to work with mednafen?
[23:27] <billenium> cody: i really did this because i messed up the gnome-panels... FUBAR
[23:28] <billenium> I like xubuntu better to :P
[23:28] <cody-somerville> billenium, awesome :)
[23:28] <cody-somerville> billenium, sorry about that bug :(
[23:28]  * cody-somerville is working really hard to fix it but it is a nasty one :(
[23:28] <billenium> No prob
[23:28] <billenium> How is it possible to obtain the source of (x)ubuntu?
[23:28] <cody-somerville> billenium, Are you looking for a specific package?
[23:29] <billenium> na
[23:29] <TheSheep> cody-somerville: I see the other one, where it waited half a minute after prompting for passords, is fixed
[23:29] <cody-somerville> TheSheep, what other one?
[23:29] <billenium> I have to go! bye bye cody
[23:29]  * cody-somerville waves.
[23:43] <cheeseboy> is there anyway i can get ossv4 to work with mednafen?
[23:44] <cody-somerville_> cheeseboy, I'd ask crimsun_
[23:44] <cody-somerville_> cheeseboy, or better yet, poke into #ubuntustudio
[23:44] <cody-somerville_> Lots of sound experts there
[23:46] <cheeseboy> is crimsun_ around?
[23:46] <cody-somerville_> He appears away
[23:47] <cheeseboy> :(
[23:50] <TheSheep> mednafen doesn't use alsa?
[23:50] <cheeseboy> it uses alsa
[23:51] <cheeseboy> i wast to use oss
[23:53] <ramier> whats a tool to see the amount of network traffic produced by processes
[23:54] <ramier> so i know which ones are using the network a lot
[23:57] <cheeseboy> TheSheep, any idea how to get kit to work?