[00:03] <JuJuBee> should I choose kdm or kdm-kde4 as the default dm?
[00:05] <efasser> JuJuBee: IMHO yep
[00:06] <JuJuBee> Hmm, thought it would take more time than that.  It's done.
[00:07] <JuJuBee> Thanks, gonna log out and try it out...
[00:13] <JuJuBee> Need a hand.  Strange behavior.  I have 2 desktops (usually have a second monitor attached on right) my main desktop appears to be in a window on top of my secondary desktop.  The taskbar is not all the way across screen and I have 2 add widget icons at the top.  Any suggestions?
[00:15] <JuJuBee> System Settings -> Display does not seem to recognize I have a second desktop?  Is that because the monitor is not plugged in?
[00:24] <ign0ramus> hey all.
[00:25] <lars> jujubee: it wouldn't be in Display if i understand correctly it would be in Desktop
[00:25] <Haza> ign0ramus: Hello
[00:25] <ign0ramus> have a question- all the pictures in a folder of mine have been duplicated. they all follow the same format: 1.jpg and then 1.JPG.  It's the same pic, just with caps for the filet extension.  How the heck do i fix this?
[00:26] <Haza> ign0ramus:  maybe (im not 100% sure) try rm *.JPG in that dir
[00:26] <Haza> if the cap stuff works then that will remove the .JPG's and not the .jpg's
[00:27] <Haza> test it somewhere else firth though
[00:27] <Haza> *first
[00:27] <ign0ramus> Haza: i contemplated that, but I'm not sure if that command is case-sensitive
[00:27] <Haza> ign0ramus: test it mate
[00:27] <Haza> :)
[00:27] <ign0ramus> haza: good idea- ill just copy all the pics to another folder.
[00:27] <ign0ramus> brb
[00:27] <lars> make a face dir that you can test it with
[00:28] <Haza> ign0ramus: Im no linux master. far from it. but that makes sense
[00:30] <ign0ramus> haza: Huzzah!
[00:30] <ign0ramus> good call!
[00:30] <Haza> ign0ramus: lol. it worked?
[00:30] <ign0ramus> haza: yup!  wasn't sure if rm was case sensitive, but all my "__.jpg"s are still intact.  Thanks mate!
[00:31] <Haza> ign0ramus: heheh. no probelsm. its probably the first time i have actually helped someone with a linux problem
[00:31] <Haza> Im usually the one asking the questions
[00:31] <ign0ramus> haza: we take turns ;)
[00:32] <Haza> ign0ramus: hehehe that we do! :)
[00:32] <ign0ramus> alright, i've got more work to do- thanks again
[00:34] <droach> anyone hack tomtoms in here
[00:35] <droach> anyone in here at all?
[00:36] <lars> we hide
[00:36] <lars> most people just have knoversation running and occasionally look at it
[00:36] <Haza> droach: I don't know if its a good idea to be talking about hacking tomtoms in this channel
[00:36] <droach> you got the wrong definition of hacking here
[00:36] <efasser_> droach: 4 what?
[00:36] <efasser_> droach: O_o
[00:37] <lars> hacking is kind of a dirty word
[00:37] <droach> hacking as in programming
[00:37] <Haza> when it comes to a tomtom im guessing hacking it means to steal the softeare
[00:37] <efasser_> droach: Programming is a total different from hacking =)
[00:38] <Haza> Who has a nick like awesome?
[00:38] <efasser_> Haza: But for what you need to steal? They give you a full support!
[00:38] <droach> if you talk to anyone who programs especially purists they will say hacking
[00:38] <efasser_> Haza: I have tomtom by my self
[00:38] <droach> when they mean programming
[00:39] <Haza> efasser_: indeed, but it has to be paid for. maps and such. you could attain those maps and updates for free right?
[00:39] <efasser_> Haza: First time i hear this...
[00:40] <droach> i dont want to steal the maps i have a freakin tomtom...just listen...my tomtom has a usb port i have from scratch linux on my tomtom
[00:40] <droach> i want to know can i assign an ip address to the usb port so i can use it for telnetting
[00:40] <efasser_> Haza: I get one US+Canada and i download some voices like russian and chinese(for fun =)) and it cost me zero
[00:41] <G--> hi.
[00:41] <efasser_> droach: By tomtom?
[00:41] <efasser_> G--: Hi
[00:41] <G--> do you guys know what Samba does?
[00:41] <efasser_> G--: Its lan program
[00:41] <Haza> G--: No one knows mate
[00:41] <efasser_> =)
[00:41] <G--> the software
[00:41] <lars> it operates your cpu
[00:41] <efasser_> lars: O_O
[00:41] <G--> haha
[00:42] <droach> no the tomtom runs linux therefor they have to provide there kernel and toolchain for free under the gpl so you can download the kernel and all the rest of the junk and build a minimal system for the tomtom
[00:42] <lars> G--: ask a question one of us may know
[00:42] <G--> so you need it to get an IP from for example a router?
[00:42] <droach> samba allows you to share files over a network that have different oses mainly sharing files between linux and windows
[00:42] <Haza> G--: unless its about samba.... because no one knows what it is
[00:43] <Haza> welll....... aside from droach
[00:43] <efasser_> G--:  Smba - works when you have LAN
[00:43] <G--> ah, I see, thanks droach
[00:43] <lars> ah i see
[00:43] <efasser_> G--: for wi-fi u couldn't use it imho
[00:44] <G--> so you only need it if you share a folder over LAN?
[00:44] <G--> not if you set up an ftpd or something
[00:44] <efasser_> G--: via wi-fi i was using wifiradar
[00:44] <G--> I mean a LAN router
[00:45] <efasser_> G--: for ftp managment you don't need it...
[00:45] <G--> ok, I wont need Samba then, I guess
[00:45] <efasser_> G--: to edit settings of yr router you need browser
[00:45] <G--> since I'll just copy files via FTP
[00:45] <efasser_> G--: Some day youll need it =)
[00:46] <G--> the linux box will be a server
[00:46] <efasser_> G--: To kopy files 4m FTP you could use even Firefox
[00:46] <G--> so I want to have it as clean as possible
[00:46] <droach> if you want to share a printer through that server you will need it
[00:46] <G--> I see
[00:46] <efasser_> droach: +1
[00:47] <G--> thanks for all the information
[00:47] <droach> so does anyone know if you can assign an ip address to a usbport? i think i saw it done somewhere but i cant remember
[00:47] <G--> does samba take a lot resources?
[00:47] <droach> not really
[00:47] <efasser_> G--: No
[00:48] <G--> ok, I'll keep it then, i guess
[00:48] <G--> you never know
[00:48] <efasser_> droach: I don't know... but i think there is a way to do this
[00:48] <droach> i have samba and ftp running on a 400mhz 128mb ram server and it runs fine
[00:49] <droach> well. as fine as 400mhz can run
[00:49] <efasser_> droach: =)
[00:49] <G--> 400mhz, haha
[00:49] <efasser_> droach: Saw a 256mhz comp working as CS server with no pbm
[00:50] <G--> I have a 3GHz here
[00:50] <nyuu> hi
[00:50] <G--> 512MB RAM
[00:50] <efasser_> G--: Lol
[00:50] <droach> 400mhz beast!! the loudest thing in my house
[00:50] <nyuu> everyone
[00:50] <nyuu> I can't hear sound from wmv files
[00:50] <efasser_> G--: And you wanna say you have pbms with resorses?
[00:50] <nyuu> I have installed all codecs required
[00:50] <G--> no, but i want to keep it as clean as possible
[00:50] <lars> nyuu: can you see video?
[00:50] <efasser_> nyuu: Install codecs
[00:50] <G--> I also have no GUI
[00:50] <nyuu> yea
[00:50] <G--> just bash
[00:51] <nyuu> I have installed vlc...
[00:51] <lars> nyuu: can you hear sound on anything else?
[00:51] <G--> I have apache on it
[00:51] <nyuu> yea
[00:51] <G--> php
[00:51] <G--> basically LAMP
[00:51] <nyuu> I mostly use mkv
[00:51] <G--> ftpd
[00:51] <G--> SSH
[00:51] <droach> well to keep it clean the best thing you can do is compile everything yourself and then clean up afterwards
[00:51] <nyuu> and there is no problem
[00:51] <G--> and maybe I'll put a cs server on it too
[00:51] <efasser_> nyuu: sudo apt-get install faad gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gstreamer0.10-pitfdll liblame0
[00:52] <efasser_> nyuu: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:52] <efasser_> nyuu: sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[00:52] <nyuu> only the new pacgace is faad ^^
[00:52] <droach> nyuu: or you can install vlc it plays EVERYTHING
[00:52] <efasser_> nyuu: Last one is a win codecs which include wma support
[00:52] <G--> vlc is good, yeah
[00:52] <G--> it plays a lot
[00:52] <lars> he says he already has it
[00:52] <G--> but not everything
[00:52] <nyuu> all of them is already installed
[00:53] <G--> sometimes it doesnt run some divx codecs
[00:53] <nyuu> still no sound
[00:53] <nyuu> but video plays cool ^^
[00:53] <lars> are you sure the video has sound?
[00:53] <nyuu> yea exactly
[00:53] <G--> try to do right mouse
[00:53] <nyuu> I will try it again
[00:53] <G--> and audio
[00:53] <nyuu> it has double sound
[00:53] <G--> audio track
[00:53] <G--> and see if there's one
[00:54] <nyuu> there is one yea
[00:54] <G--> select it
[00:54] <nyuu> I have selected it but no sound
[00:54] <G--> odd
[00:54] <nyuu> yea
[00:55] <lars> very.
[00:55] <efasser_> nyuu: but do you have start-end sounds?
[00:55] <nyuu> I have mplayer too
[00:55] <G--> reboot
[00:55] <G--> maybe
[00:55] <G--> i'd reboot
[00:55] <nyuu> I have rebooted
[00:55] <nyuu> before
[00:55] <nyuu> alot
[00:55] <G--> do it again
[00:55] <G--> on more time
[00:55] <G--> one*
[00:55] <lars> reboot fixes a lot
[00:55] <nyuu> ok
[00:55] <efasser_> G--: And again and again and etc.
[00:55] <nyuu> ^^
[00:56] <G--> haha
[00:56] <nyuu> ok, this is a torrent video
[00:56] <nyuu> and it is still downloading
[00:56] <G--> maybe it is corrupt
[00:56] <G--> ah
[00:56] <G--> haha
[00:56] <efasser_> lol
[00:56] <G--> there you got it
[00:56] <G--> wait for it to finish
[00:56] <droach> try this link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=136306
[00:56] <G--> is it anime?
[00:56] <efasser_> nyuu: nice job maan
[00:56] <nyuu> but I could hear voices with VLC before with other videos ^^
[00:56] <lars> maybe the sound hasn't downloaded yet
[00:56] <efasser_> =)
[00:56] <droach> if you still have problems
[00:56] <nyuu> ok
[00:56] <G--> is it anime?
[00:56] <nyuu> ^^
[00:56] <nyuu> yea
[00:57] <nyuu> claymore
[00:57] <G--> oh
[00:57] <G--> dont know that one
[00:57] <nyuu> it has a pure quality ^^
[00:57] <droach> got to go buy groceries the wife is staring me down.
[00:57] <droach> peace out
[00:57] <lars> have fun
[00:57] <G--> rizon.net has a lot anime
[00:57] <efasser_> droach:  =) tell wife to whait =)
[00:57] <G--> bye, droach
[00:57] <nyuu> thanks ^^ one of my friends is going to rip it
[00:57] <G--> and thanks for the help
[00:57] <nyuu> I am going to cargo him
[00:57] <efasser_> G--: rapidshare have more ;-)
[00:57] <nyuu> he is a ripepr
[00:57] <nyuu> ripper
[00:57] <G--> maybe
[00:58] <nyuu> he likes old animes like Gundam, Macross
[00:58] <G--> but rapidshare doesnt have a lot anime
[00:58] <G--> at least not the mainstream stuff
[00:58] <nyuu> mostly torrent and irc we use
[00:58] <G--> yeah
[00:58] <efasser_> G--: It's all considered to what you wanna to find =)
[00:58] <G--> yeah, usenet is good too
[00:58] <efasser_> G--: Im not animeholic =)
[00:58] <nyuu> ^^
[00:59] <G--> haha, ok
[00:59] <nyuu> old animes are better ^^
[00:59] <efasser_> G--: Im cofeholic =)))))))))
[00:59] <nyuu> new ones are for fanboys ^^
[00:59] <nyuu> I don't like being a fanboy at all
[00:59] <efasser_> nyuu: I like the one... Blood smth
[00:59] <nyuu> I will ask my friends
[00:59] <efasser_> nyuu: Blood shell or... f... don't remember..\
[00:59] <nyuu> they have lots and lots of rips
[00:59] <nyuu> ^^
[01:00] <G--> ghost in the shell?
[01:00] <nyuu> Ghost in .. ^^
[01:00] <efasser_> G--: Noo...
[01:00] <nyuu> ok
[01:00] <G--> do you know Elfen Lied?
[01:00] <efasser_> G--: That goes more and more to pop... i mean Ghost...
[01:00] <nyuu> yea but I don't like at all
[01:00] <nyuu> nyuu ^^
[01:00] <G--> oh
[01:00] <G--> ah
[01:00] <G--> yes, nyuu
[01:00] <nyuu> I merely like her ^^
[01:01] <nyuu> I think it is an 'ecchi'
[01:01] <nyuu> I know better animes ^^
[01:01] <G--> I have watched the first 2 episodes so far
[01:01] <G--> an ecchi?
[01:01] <G--> you mean porn?
[01:01] <nyuu> hehe it's a bit boring
[01:01] <nyuu> yea
[01:01] <nyuu> no
[01:01] <nyuu> not really
[01:01] <efasser_> G--: There was a guy in read hat he is like half human half vampire...
[01:01] <nyuu> but it uses some erotic and violence
[01:01] <efasser_> G--: Can't take the name from memory...
[01:02] <nyuu> alucard??
[01:02] <nyuu> no :S
[01:02] <G--> ha
[01:02] <nyuu> hellsing ^^
[01:02] <G--> yeah
[01:02] <nyuu> it has no story at all but alucard is amazing ^^
[01:02] <nyuu> and he is not a 'half vampire '
[01:03] <nyuu> can u read reversely 'alucard'
[01:03] <G--> he is rather a full one, isnt he?
[01:03] <G--> dracula
[01:03] <G--> yeah
[01:03] <G--> redrum
[01:03] <G--> murder
[01:03] <G--> dog
[01:03] <G--> god
[01:03] <nyuu> ^^
[01:03] <G--> rats live on no evil star
[01:03] <G--> reverse that one
[01:03] <efasser_> I find it =))))))))))
[01:03] <nyuu> but the topic is nosence ^^
[01:03] <efasser_> Yaeh!!!
[01:03] <G--> that is called a palindrom
[01:03] <efasser_> Hellsing! Thats one
[01:03] <nyuu> hehe ^^
[01:03] <G--> palin is again in old Greek
[01:04] <nyuu> I like it
[01:04] <nyuu> But, I am a new one too,
[01:04] <nyuu> however my favorite is death note ^^
[01:04] <G--> ah, death note
[01:04] <nyuu> Kira, my god ^^
[01:04] <G--> I have that one on my HDD
[01:05] <G--> still have to watch it
[01:05] <efasser_> http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/b/2/24/434/24434589_1.jpg
[01:05] <nyuu> u MUST watch it ^^
[01:05] <nyuu> it is so cool
[01:05] <efasser_> thats my guy =)
[01:05] <nyuu> my friend bought its Japanese DVD
[01:05] <G--> http://images.animanga.nu/fanart/5237/alucard_fangs_post.jpg
[01:05] <nyuu> he is going to make a rip
[01:05] <nyuu> I will give you one of them ^^
[01:05] <nyuu> with torrent
[01:06] <efasser_> G--: Yep you get it =)
[01:06] <efasser_> G--: And also i like one...
[01:06] <efasser_> G--: Let me find
[01:07] <G--> this isnt an anime channel though
[01:07] <efasser_> G--: It was the firs songs based anime... with the franch electronic group...
[01:07] <nyuu> #Anime ^^
[01:07] <G--> I am not that into anime, I just 'discovered' it
[01:07] <efasser_> G--: nyuu: lol...
[01:08] <efasser_> huh...
[01:08] <nyuu> but you should be careful about 'fanboys' ^^
[01:08] <nyuu> I don't like them in linux too ^^
[01:08] <efasser_> nyuu: so you against holywars?
[01:08] <efasser_> =)
[01:09] <Artimus> Does anyone have any decent tutorials on setting up Perl/CGI in Apache (in [K]Ubuntu)?  I feel I haven't given perl a fair chance, because I've always had trouble getting it working correctly in Apache (PHP works fine)
[01:09] <Odd-rationale> !offtopic
[01:09] <nyuu> yea its nosense ^^
[01:09] <G--> I am against any form of extremism
[01:09] <nyuu> if I prefer Bill Gates, anyone can deny it
[01:09] <nyuu> the opposite is also true
[01:09] <nyuu> if I use linux
[01:10] <efasser_> nyuu: G--: lets go to #kubuntu-offtopic
[01:10] <nyuu> hehe not problem I think  ^^
[01:10] <nyuu> The highway is free now :P
[01:11] <nyuu> anyway,
[01:11] <G--> hmm, I am off
[01:11] <G--> it is 2:11 AM here
[01:11] <nyuu> I have tried your solution
[01:11] <nyuu> your link...
[01:11] <nyuu> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=136306
[01:11] <nyuu> before..
[01:11] <nyuu> but I couldn't solve it
[01:11] <nyuu> ok, I will wait for the download
[01:12] <G--> bye, nyuu, efasser
[01:12] <nyuu> the last chance is
[01:12] <nyuu> changin the format ^^
[01:12] <nyuu> bye G--
[01:12] <G--> bye.
[01:15] <wolton> exist some kind of applet to show speed internet ?
[01:16] <wolton> for kubuntu 7.10
[01:16] <efasser> wolton: hmm
[01:16] <efasser> whait a second
[01:16] <wolton> like netspeed for gnome
[01:16] <wolton> new in KDE here
[01:16] <wolton> ok, thanks
[01:17] <wolton>        
[01:17] <efasser> wolton: http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=38&PHPSESSID=a7917367b03588777c7d65678ad9e757
[01:17] <efasser> wolton: Try karamba
[01:17] <efasser> wolton: I like it
[01:17] <wolton> let me see .. thanks
[01:19]  * efasser away on duty
[01:27] <patrick> can anyone help me with file sharing / user management?
[02:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> Dr willis
[02:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> ausage?
[02:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> anyone?
[02:26] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok
[02:26] <CostaRicanQuaker> i formatted the CDRW
[02:26] <CostaRicanQuaker> downloaded the iso file
[02:26] <CostaRicanQuaker> opened nero and chose image disk
[02:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> then selected the .iso file
[02:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> now i just burn it right?
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> probably
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> !nero
[02:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> ah f*ck it im burning it
[02:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> once it's burned what do i do?
[02:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> to create a partition
[02:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> without erasing any of my windows files
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> CostaRicanQuaker: it'll do that automatically
[02:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> what will it look like
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> !installation
[02:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes but how does it define how muchof my harddrive is windows
[02:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> and how much is
[02:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> linux
[02:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> cause i've only got 80 gb
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> you can tell it
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> with a nice little slider bar
[02:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> what is the file system for windows again? ntsf...ext3?
[02:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> something liek that?
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> ntfs
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> linux is ext3
[02:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok good because i don't have any backups
[02:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'm poor
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> uhhh better make a backup of some sort
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> just to be safe
[02:52] <CostaRicanQuaker> i can't i haven't got cdr's other than this old rewritable fellow i'm using for the ISO
[02:52] <CostaRicanQuaker> by the way
[02:52] <CostaRicanQuaker> if i stick the cd in and restart the computer
[02:52] <CostaRicanQuaker> it willrun on its own right?
[02:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> i don't have to change any booting sequence or anything because i burnt down my last hard drive by doing that
[02:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> in that hte tech helper guy couldn't load windows anymore so he had to format and reinstall
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> CostaRicanQuaker: you might have to press f12 to get a boot menu
[02:54] <heinkel_111> anybody have a clue which repository to look for mtp-tools?
[02:55] <heinkel_111> and  libmtp mtpfs
[02:55] <heinkel_111> files I apparently need to get amarok to cooperate with new digital song player from sandisk
[02:55] <efasser> try medibuntu.org
[02:55] <Artimus> heinkel_111: Which model?
[02:56] <heinkel_111> Artimus: it is called SansaView
[02:56] <efasser> heinkel_111: sudo wget http://www.medibuntu.org/sources.list.d/hardy.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list
[02:56] <Dragnslcr> heinkel_111- mtp-tools is in universe
[02:56] <Dragnslcr> It isn't in medibuntu, so don't do that
[02:57] <Artimus> heinkel_111: I've got a Sansa Clip...  I had to switch the mode on it to make it act as a flash drive.  Amarok works well with it
[02:57] <heinkel_111> Artimus it was almost an impulse purchase beacuse I lost my dear old iAudio
[02:57] <Dragnslcr> heinkel_111- in Adept, go to Manage Repositories and make sure that universe is checked
[02:58] <heinkel_111> iAudio>> all but I am going to spend a lot of time in airplanes over the next week and needed some player now so I walked to local gadgetshop and bought what tthey sold
[02:59] <Artimus> heinkel_111: Do you have your player in MSC mode?
[02:59] <heinkel_111> Artimus: it is in "I just plugged it in first time" mode, whatever that is ;-)
[02:59] <Artimus> heinkel_111: http://www.micahcarrick.com/05-21-2008/sansa-view-ubuntu.html
[02:59] <heinkel_111> Artimus: what is better MSC or MTP?
[03:00] <heinkel_111> Artimus: I was readin gthat before I came here :-)
[03:00] <Artimus> heinkel_111: MSC makes it like a flash drive.  MTP is more for Windows Media Player
[03:00] <heinkel_111> Artimus: but if it works with Amarok it is not so bad, is it?
[03:00] <Artimus> MSC works with Amarok too
[03:00] <heinkel_111> Although maybe MSC is more flexible
[03:01] <Artimus> Plug a flash drive in while you have Amarok working.  It will ask if the flash drive is an mp3 player
[03:01] <Artimus> If your mp3 player is in MSC mode, it will work with amarok just as well.  You'll be able to treat it like a Flash drive too
[03:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> what's the difference between a distro and a desktop environment?
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> a du=istro bundles up a specific desktop environment an specific versions of other libraries and programs to create a fully featured OS
[03:06] <candive> !bot ?
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> !but
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> !bot
[03:06] <candive> found what i was looking for thanks
[03:07] <asobiCrash> why is that amarok keeps crashing when i try to connect ipod
[03:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> so in order for me not to erase the windows partition
[03:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> i must
[03:11] <CostaRicanQuaker> ¿?
[03:13] <CostaRicanQuaker> is koffice better than openoffice.org?
[03:13] <Schuenemann> certainly not
[03:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i should install openoffice when i get kubuntu installed?
[03:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> it takes a wee while longer to load than office on windows xp
[03:14] <Schuenemann> what do you need? An office suite just like M$ office? then yes
[03:16] <CostaRicanQuaker> is kubuntu more user friendly for a windows switchee than mandriva?
[03:20] <Schuenemann> CostaRicanQuaker, never used mandriva (only mandrake), but kubuntu and suse are the best user friendly I've seen
[03:21] <CostaRicanQuaker> suse?
[03:23] <CostaRicanQuaker> hmm, Schünemann: which do you prefer suse or kubuntu?
[03:24] <mr---t-> I've used both and prefer Kubuntu
[03:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> thank you mr t
[03:25] <Schuenemann> CostaRicanQuaker, I switched to kubuntu because it has a bigger community, it is only 1 CD (suse was 5 last time I used) and because of apt-get :-)
[03:25] <Schuenemann> so, kubuntu
[03:25] <mr---t-> The Yast screens in suse seem to take forever to load and make changes
[03:26] <Schuenemann> (I think suse has apt-get nowadays, though)
[03:26] <mr---t-> I also Dwnlded it with one disc
[03:26] <CostaRicanQuaker> apt-get= a form of downloading programs from what i can remember right?
[03:27] <Schuenemann> yes, it is the package manager. Downloads and installs
[03:28] <CostaRicanQuaker> would the use of kubuntu by governments compromise its grassroots nature in terms of it being an option to the big brother-like microsoft OS's ?
[03:29] <CostaRicanQuaker> you see i'm an anarchist
[03:29] <Schuenemann> what does grassroots nature mean?
[03:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> it means comunity-based
[03:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> sustained and promoted and founded
[03:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> by a community of people organized
[03:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> and that respect each other as equals regardless of their skills
[03:31] <CostaRicanQuaker> i have the idea that ubuntu is a very community oriented alternative
[03:31] <CostaRicanQuaker> to mainstream corporate operative systems
[03:31]  * mr---t- lol
[03:32] <Schuenemann> compromise kubuntu's community-based nature? I don't think that makes sense
[03:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> once CAFTA(central american free trade agreement) becomes enacted here there will be ridiculous restrictions on property rights and such
[03:32] <heinkel_111> Artimus: are you still here?
[03:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> i like the idea of kubuntu for NGOs and public schools and such
[03:34] <CostaRicanQuaker> are kubuntu and ubuntu the same? or is there something kubuntu has that ubuntu doesn't other than kde?
[03:35] <heinkel_111> amarok cannot find my SANSA VIEW mp3 player because the folder it automounts to contains space. How can I work around the problem?
[03:35] <Schuenemann> only the desktop environment... you can have both at the same time, btw
[03:35] <Schuenemann> or xubuntu
[03:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> xubuntu?
[03:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> never heard of that
[03:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> !xubuntu
[03:37] <heinkel_111> did this channel stop?
[03:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> what's Xfce? is it easier than kde?
[03:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> between kde gnome and xfce which is the most user friendly
[03:38] <heinkel_111> this is the problem with amarok and SANSA VIEW player: /media/SANSA VIEW is not understood as mountpoint for the USB mass storage mode player, neither is /media/SANSA\ VIEW/
[03:39] <heinkel_111> will "/media/SANSA VIEW" be any better?
[03:41] <CostaRicanQuaker> Schuenemann: between kde gnome and xfce which is the most user friendly
[03:41] <CostaRicanQuaker> and which is best in your opinion xubuntu kubuntu or edubuntu
[03:41] <CostaRicanQuaker> !edubuntu
[03:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> from the pictures xubuntu doesn't look very pretty
[03:43] <Schuenemann> CostaRicanQuaker, and more used to KDE, to I prefer KDE
[03:43] <Schuenemann> although I think it's a bit heavier
[03:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> heavier?
[03:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> explain i beseech you
[03:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> I mean from a quaker perspective it does have a more "simplicity" look than kubuntu
[03:47] <Schuenemann> well, I've used KDE for the most part of my linux life, so I have few experience with the others...
[03:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> The Xubuntu team, currently headed by Cody Somerville, overcame some disagreements and problems to make a fast and easy operating system with all the flash and flair and none of the bloat that has plagued Microsoft's product line, while avoiding the sluggish performance inherent in Gnome and KDE
[03:47] <crimsaq> how would I go about installing libnotify for xchat?
[03:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> explain that please schuenemann
[03:48] <Schuenemann> CostaRicanQuaker, faster and without eye candy?
[03:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> in your personal opinion if you had to make a choice between kubuntu and xubuntu why would you choose kubuntu?
[03:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> and can you run both¡
[03:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> ?*
[03:51] <Schuenemann> I'm more used to kubuntu, so kubuntu. And yes, you can run both and choose after boot if you'll use KDE, gnome, xfce, etc
[03:52] <CostaRicanQuaker> which ahs the biggest community?
[03:52] <Schuenemann> ubuntu
[03:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok
[03:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'm going with kubuntu
[03:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> now
[03:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> schuenemann
[03:55] <Schuenemann> try them all and check which you like best
[03:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> what do i do so i don't kill my windows xp
[03:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> and its files
[03:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> but just make a partition
[03:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> on windows
[03:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> i mean
[03:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> on my hardrive
[03:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> so that icna choose which to  open
[03:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> when i get on the computer
[03:58] <Schuenemann> I *think* the livecd has a partition tool
[03:59] <Schuenemann> but with hardy you can install through windows
[03:59] <CostaRicanQuaker> i think i burnt the other one
[03:59] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i know which of the two cds i burnt
[03:59] <Schuenemann> it will appear as a windows program in add/remove programs
[03:59] <CostaRicanQuaker> the alternate or the live
[04:00] <Schuenemann> CostaRicanQuaker, unless you specifically chose the alternate, it was the live
[04:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok so i am going to do the following
[04:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> i am going to use my spare computer and install kubuntu on that one first
[04:01] <Schuenemann> CostaRicanQuaker, you can install in windows
[04:01] <Schuenemann> if it's version 8.04
[04:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> nah i won't do that
[04:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> i don't ahve a plug in this room
[04:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> if it's version 8.04¡
[04:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> ?*
[04:02] <YeaSt> Sun Jun 22 00:02:00 ADT 2008
[04:03] <Schuenemann> CostaRicanQuaker, since 8.04, you can install in windows. Older versions required a boot from CD
[04:03] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i can try and stick it in the cd rom and run on its own?
[04:03]  * CostaRicanQuaker does that
[04:04] <Schuenemann> are you going to reboot?
[04:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> no i just stuck it in
[04:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> and it just read it and said what do you want to do
[04:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> open folder to view files
[04:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> play ion windows media
[04:05] <Schuenemann> CostaRicanQuaker, you know, with the livecd you can run linux without having to install... it runs from the cd
[04:05] <Schuenemann> you can test before installing
[04:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i do that?
[04:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> wie kann ich das tanen?
[04:05] <darkdelusions> reboot and hope for the best :)
[04:06] <Schuenemann> you reboot the machine, choose boot from cd in setup, and start
[04:06] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i do that? the set up part
[04:06] <CostaRicanQuaker> f12?
[04:07] <Schuenemann> I think that depends on the motherboard
[04:07] <Schuenemann> mine is delete
[04:07] <CostaRicanQuaker> intel celeron d?
[04:07] <CostaRicanQuaker> so either f12 or delete?
[04:07] <Schuenemann> intel motherboard too?
[04:07] <Schuenemann> my last one was intel and it was delete too
[04:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok then i'll do that
[04:08] <Schuenemann> anyway, there is always a message telling "press <key> to enter setup"
[04:08]  * CostaRicanQuaker symbolically takes shirt off and throws it against the floor
[04:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> wish me luck kubuntu brothers
[04:08]  * darkdelusions blinks
[04:09] <Schuenemann> well, I have to go... nite
[04:14] <genii> Quiet tonight?
[04:15] <mr---t-> not till just revently
[04:15] <mr---t-> recently^
[04:16] <efasser> Does any body know a file downloader which gona work good with rapidshare.com?
[04:20] <CostaRicanQuaker> schuenemann
[04:20] <CostaRicanQuaker> i checekd for faultiness on the thingy
[04:20] <CostaRicanQuaker> and it said there was a corrupted file
[04:20] <CostaRicanQuaker> now
[04:20] <CostaRicanQuaker> i found an old shipped in copy of ubuntu
[04:21] <CostaRicanQuaker> version 5.10
[04:21] <CostaRicanQuaker> is it possible for me to install that and somehow
[04:21] <CostaRicanQuaker> make it into
[04:21] <CostaRicanQuaker> kubuntu?
[04:21] <genii> !enter
[04:21] <mr---t-> CostaRicanQuaker: he has left
[04:21] <CostaRicanQuaker> mr t help me please
[04:22] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: If you want to go to the latest version of 8.04 you need at least version 6.06
[04:22] <CostaRicanQuaker> should i not install it at all because of this corrupted file
[04:22] <CostaRicanQuaker> or
[04:22] <CostaRicanQuaker> should i install it and then somehow fix it with the shell
[04:25] <genii> Corrupted file in an install is not good. I would not use it
[04:25] <renato__> ola
[04:26] <renato__> hi!
[04:26] <mr---t-> !br
[04:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok i've another question; how do i know if it was the copy of the iso i downloaded aka a bad download
[04:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> or the cdrw?
[04:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> should i format and redo it
[04:27] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: Do md5
[04:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> md5?
[04:27] <genii> If the md5 if the iso image is good then it's the cdr
[04:27] <genii> !md5
[04:28] <renato__> join #ubuntu-br
[04:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> genii i don't get it there's a link that says download the md5 and it doesn't lead to anywhere on that same page
[04:32] <genii> You need windows md5 check or linux md5 check?
[04:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> windows
[04:34] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: http://www.irnis.net/gloss/md5sum-windows.shtml has a download link at bottom.
[04:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> genii: thankyou
[04:37] <genii> np
[04:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> now what do i do? i have opened that prgram
[04:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> now what do i do? open somehow the iso file through that program?
[04:37] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: You run it on the iso file of ubuntu. Then compare it to what the sum should be, I'll find the link in a sec for that
[04:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> it says "folder"
[04:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> and has a browse like button beside it
[04:40] <genii> Yes you browse to the file you are making the cdrom from
[04:40] <genii> Which ubuntu version is it?
[04:40] <CostaRicanQuaker> the latest kubuntu
[04:40] <CostaRicanQuaker> well the thing is when i browse the folders
[04:40] <CostaRicanQuaker> it doesn't list files
[04:40] <CostaRicanQuaker> not even the iso
[04:41] <genii> I can't really help, since I don't have windows on any machine here to run the thing on
[04:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> there's another thingy beneath it
[04:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> that says filter
[04:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> that one does lead to lookign for files
[04:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> under checksum files
[04:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> calculating summary data size
[04:43] <genii> The md5 for 8.04 versions is at http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/MD5SUMS you compare what the program gives you against the cd image you downloaded
[04:43] <srikar> 9to all )are the drivers of intel open ?????
[04:44] <genii> Yes
[04:44] <srikar> (to all) are the drivers of intel open???
[04:44] <genii> srikar: Yes
[04:44] <srikar> what abt ati and nvidia????
[04:44] <genii> srikar: Not them.
[04:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> genii, computer's real slow
[04:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> what do i do once it stops calculating summary data size or whatever
[04:45] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: It takes a while to computer for a 650Mb or so file, have patience
[04:45] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: The md5 for 8.04 versions is at http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/MD5SUMS you compare what the program gives you against the cd image you downloaded
[04:46] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: If the sum it gives you matches the sum given on that page for the cd image type you downloaded, the image is OK. If it doesn't match, that means the image is corrupted
[04:47] <srikar> I am really suffering wid the driver provided by ati, why ati people arent making drivers open when they dont hav the capability to provide good drivers???
[04:48] <flaccid_> srikar: radeon was open sourced in 2007 and there are alternate drivers available
[04:48] <srikar> are all the ati drivers open ??
[04:48] <flaccid_> but that doesn't mean there isn't problems
[04:49] <genii> srikar: The main problem is that if they show you the source code to how thier equipment works, then they are taking a chance someone will steal their work.
[04:49] <flaccid_> no, they gave out the code only
[04:49] <flaccid_> well in this case it was open sourced: http://www.linux.com/feature/119049
[04:50] <srikar> flaccid: thnx for da link : )
[04:50] <flaccid_> np
[04:51] <genii> srikar: Since AMD took over ati, things have improved a bit. But they atill want to keep their secrets, so the installer for the drivers are binaries for instance.
[04:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> genii: that page lists 7 lines with .iso file names and wuby at hte end
[04:52] <CostaRicanQuaker> and the advanced checksum verifier seems to have taken up all of my computer's memory
[04:52] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: Yes. So you look at the list and go "Hmm which one did I download"  then compare the code on the left of the cde image name to the code the program eventually spits out
[04:53] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: As I said earlier, checking 650 megabytes or so takes a while. Even on a fast computer.
[04:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> meanwhile i am going to format another old cdrw i have
[04:54] <srikar> genil: ya ,  intel performance is better when compared to ati on linux , as no of gnu users are increasing a day will come where people will be buying intel rather than ati, for instance,i tell my friends not to buy ati.
[04:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> so if it's not the iso i can download it again
[04:55] <srikar> genil: then the ati will make all its specifications open , lets hope.
[04:55] <genii> srikar: Hopefully all makers will find a way to make their drivers open-source
[04:56] <flaccid_> i think its more about a decent driver being available. even if the source is out there i don't see a driver that doesn't have issues
[04:56] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: Better to use a regular cd-r than a cd-rw.
[04:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> genii: how about i also start downloading another iso jut in case?
[04:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> that's all i have i'm poor
[04:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> and the stores are closed at this time of night
[04:57] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: You don't need to do the formatting then of the cd-rw, just burn it like it's a regular cd-r
[04:57] <CostaRicanQuaker> genii: i've already used it in the past
[04:57] <CostaRicanQuaker> it's got stuff in it
[04:57] <StultusApparatus> Hi guys, when I open anything in Konsole, I get some strange errors, here are the errors
[04:57] <StultusApparatus> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-damien" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[04:57] <StultusApparatus> Error: "/tmp/ksocket-damien" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[04:57] <StultusApparatus> Error: "/tmp/kde-damien" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[04:58] <StultusApparatus> Anyone know why/how to fix it?
[04:58] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: The checking part of the iso is to decide if you really need to re-download it or not. So I wouldn't bother to re-download when you don't even yet know if it's good or not.
[04:59] <flaccid_> !pastebin | StultusApparatus
[05:00] <StultusApparatus> I already said the errors though ;>_>
[05:00] <flaccid_> StultusApparatus: looks like you have been mixing root with a normal user. restart the computer and only use your normal admin user + sudo/kdesudo for root operations
[05:00] <StultusApparatus> this is my admin user
[05:00] <flaccid_> StultusApparatus: in the future you will know to use pastebin
[05:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> genii: kubuntu-8.04-alternate-i386.iso is the file i downloaded
[05:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> is that a good one?
[05:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> the right one*
[05:00] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: It's fine :)
[05:01] <flaccid_> StultusApparatus: yes like i said. reboot so /tmp is cleared.
[05:01] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: Let me see about finding the kubuntu md5 instead of regular ubuntu md5
[05:01] <StultusApparatus> I did reboot earlier after I started getting it, nothing changed
[05:01] <srikar> flaccid: yes u r right , issues will be there wid all the drivers(free or non free).But ATI and Nvidia are professionals in making graphic cards when compared to intel.But we observe intels performance on linux is really cool when compared to ati.This is becoz intel drivers being open.
[05:02] <StultusApparatus> flaccid_: Would it matter if my users secondary group is "root"?
[05:02] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: This page has all the current ones https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[05:02] <flaccid_> srikar: thats not all entirely true. there are many intel issues particularly with resolutions
[05:02] <flaccid_> StultusApparatus: yes. why did you do that?
[05:02] <StultusApparatus> flaccid_: I was tired of having to type in my password after sudoing something
[05:03] <flaccid_> StultusApparatus: well its bad security and you did the wrong thing. if you really wanted that you should have edited /etc/sudoers
[05:03] <CostaRicanQuaker> genii the checksum verifier's not responding
[05:03] <StultusApparatus> Oh >_>
[05:04] <StultusApparatus> flaccid_: Well I changed it, should I restart?
[05:04] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: OK. I'd say shut the program down and I'll see to find a different one for you
[05:04] <flaccid_> StultusApparatus: yeah if you fixed up your groups
[05:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok
[05:04] <srikar> flaccid: may be . But what hurts me really is when i play small games like glest , torcs(the games run very slow) even though my nboard graphic card is 256mb ATI : (
[05:05] <StultusApparatus> flaccid_: okay, can you also tell me how to make mysql and apache start on startup?
[05:05] <flaccid_> srikar: you may have an incorrect configuration eg. xorg.conf
[05:05] <flaccid_> StultusApparatus: system services in system settings
[05:05] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: http://www.md5summer.org/md5v12005.exe
[05:05] <StultusApparatus> flaccid_: Thanks
[05:06] <flaccid_> np
[05:06] <StultusApparatus> Flaccid_: I'm afraid I don't see such an option
[05:06] <srikar> flacid:yeah i raised this issue at ubuntuforums and ati  forums , but all attempts went in vain.
[05:10] <srikar> i am abt to leave , genil n flaccid , thnx for sharing yr thoughts.
[05:10] <flaccid_> heh forums aint going to help much
[05:11] <flaccid_> StultusApparatus: is in the advanced tab of system settings kde4
[05:11] <flaccid_> oops kde3
[05:11] <StultusApparatus> flaccid_: Thanks
[05:12] <flaccid_> np
[05:13] <StultusApparatus> Flaccid_: How would I change my boot screen? I remember seeing an option to do so before, but forgot where it was
[05:13] <flaccid_> um boot screen?
[05:13] <StultusApparatus> Yeah
[05:13] <flaccid_> !usplash
[05:13] <flaccid_> i guess you mean that
[05:13] <StultusApparatus> Thanks
[05:13] <flaccid_> np
[05:13] <StultusApparatus> Yeah it was
[05:14]  * CostaRicanQuaker is gonna have to reboot
[05:16] <CostaRicanQuaker> genii: if i download the livecd iso will i be able to install kubuntu with it?
[05:16] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: Yes.
[05:16] <CostaRicanQuaker> what's the alternate for then?
[05:17] <flaccid_> !alternate
[05:17] <genii> !helpersnack | flaccid_
[05:18] <CostaRicanQuaker> genii: i'm going to hve to reboot, i'll brb, the checksum program won't shut down, i will need the link to the kubuntu hash sums again when i get back as IE won't load from the lack of memory
[05:18] <flaccid_> omg first time i've ever been thanked for helping and it was by the bot! hooray..
[05:18] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: How much ram in that box?
[05:18] <StultusApparatus> flaccid_: How do I make it so I wont have to sudo again?
[05:19] <flaccid_> StultusApparatus: you don't.
[05:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> 256
[05:19] <flaccid_> !root | StultusApparatus
[05:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> brb
[05:19] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: You'll need about 256 for instnce to run the livecd
[05:19] <flaccid_> StultusApparatus: you can however configure /etc/sudoers so you do not need a password
[05:19] <StultusApparatus> flaccid_: Already thanks
[05:19] <StultusApparatus> Alright*
[05:20] <StultusApparatus> flaccid_: What exactly do I add, and where?
[05:20] <flaccid_> try google my friend
[05:20] <genii> man sudoers can get you started
[05:20] <flaccid_> it also says in the comments of /etc/sudoers how to do it anyway
[05:21] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: That other link again http://www.md5summer.org/md5v12005.exe
[05:22] <StultusApparatus> Now I restart, yes?
[05:22] <flaccid_> shouldn't have to
[05:22] <genii> Rarely does linux need reboots
[05:23] <CostaRicanQuaker> genii: i got the program i am trying to open the file to verify sums
[05:23] <CostaRicanQuaker> is that the one with allthe kubuntu propper sums
[05:23] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: OK. 1 sec I'll give the list of sums link
[05:23] <CostaRicanQuaker> genii: this other program seems ot have got stuck too
[05:23] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[05:24] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: It can take a *long* time. Like even 20 minutes
[05:24] <genii> (on my dual core box with 2Gb of ram)
[05:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes but it's not even doing that
[05:25] <CostaRicanQuaker> it's stuck
[05:26] <genii> I suspect your computer likely has some teensy amount of hd space left and its using it all for virtual memory now. Might be a while
[05:26] <CostaRicanQuaker> brb
[05:29] <CostaRicanQuaker> genii
[05:29] <CostaRicanQuaker> there are two
[05:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> midsummermd5 icons
[05:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> i clicked on a different one and what happened was this
[05:30] <flaccid_> !enter | CostaRicanQuaker
[05:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> it lists midsummer.exe and a hash for it
[05:31] <CostaRicanQuaker> like a hash to itself
[05:31] <flaccid_> do you understand the above factoid, CostaRicanQuaker?
[05:31] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes
[05:31] <flaccid_> please try to do it
[05:31] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok
[05:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'll use periods
[05:32] <flaccid_> or ; or , and you have a long nickname too :)
[05:32]  * flaccid_ bbs
[05:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> well CRQ would be strange
[05:35] <CostaRicanQuaker> i can't stand this hash measuring thing, i'll just reburn, it takes lesser and if that doesn't work i'll redownload, it also takes lesser and it doenst get eveyrthing stuck
[05:37] <uV|joey> neone here be able to help a noob get his mic working?
[05:38] <hydrogen> !en | uV|joey
[05:38] <jorge__> alguien habla castellano?
[05:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> once i am installing ubuntu
[05:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> and it's all just a matter of
[05:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> once i'm installing kubuntu and i have redefined the sizes of my harddrives partitions, then i don't ahve ot do anything else but ocntinue installing right? i dion't have to do any "mounting"
[06:00] <Mr_Cheeto> eh, how i am able to mount USB in konsole?
[06:01] <craig> System > Storage Media not working?
[06:01] <Mr_Cheeto> craig, no it's not showing up at all, my USB or my 1394
[06:03] <flaccid_> check dmesg
[06:03] <Mr_Cheeto> what is that?
[06:03] <Mr_Cheeto> please excuse my noobinewbness
[06:03] <flaccid_> kernel ring buffer
[06:03] <Mr_Cheeto> haha, what?
[06:03] <flaccid_> see man dmesg
[06:03] <Mr_Cheeto> k
[06:04] <flaccid_> see what is outputted in dmesg when you plug it in..
[06:05] <MaskedOne> im trying to play a .ogg movie and for some reason it is really jerky after it takes forever to load in VLC and Kaffeine
[06:05] <Mr_Cheeto> flaccid, ok i see what it does, and i executed the command, u wunt to see the output?
[06:06] <flaccid_> yes pastebin please
[06:06] <Mr_Cheeto> !pastebin
[06:07] <Mr_Cheeto> http://paste.ubuntu.com/22040/
[06:09] <flaccid_> Mr_Cheeto: but do you get any of these messages when you plug it in?
[06:09] <flaccid_> does this occur? [ 1724.963043] serial8250: too much work for irq17 or nothing?
[06:09] <Mr_Cheeto> one sec
[06:11] <Mr_Cheeto> this comes up a few times
[06:11] <Mr_Cheeto> ACPI Warning (tbutils-0369): 64-bit Physical Address in XSDT is too large (1BEF31801BEF0000), truncating [20070126]
[06:12] <flaccid_> can you pastebin ps aux | grep hal; sudo fdisk -l please
[06:12] <Mr_Cheeto> kk
[06:14] <flaccid_> that is while the usb disk is plugged in
[06:14] <Mr_Cheeto> invalid option I
[06:15] <flaccid_> ps aux | grep hal; sudo fdisk -l   <-- is valid
[06:16] <Mr_Cheeto> can i copy past that into konsole?
[06:17] <flaccid_> yep
[06:18] <Mr_Cheeto> http://paste.ubuntu.com/22041/
[06:22] <Mr_Cheeto> flaccid, if u read the pastebin i sent u it looks as if it's ONLY reading my HDD
[06:22] <flaccid_> yeah
[06:23] <flaccid_> not sure the problem but something aint working. is the device showing up in lsusb ?
[06:23] <Mr_Cheeto> um, what is that?
[06:23] <flaccid_> man lsusb
[06:25] <Mr_Cheeto> ok i try "lsusb" by itself, it says in man that i need an option after it, what should i put?
[06:25] <flaccid_> it doesn't need a param at all
[06:26] <Mr_Cheeto> oh, in that case when i use lsusb all it does is give me another command input line, so that means it's not communicating with my USB hub?
[06:26] <flaccid_> i don't know
[06:27] <Mr_Cheeto> k
[06:27] <Mr_Cheeto> i'll check Ubuntu
[06:27] <flaccid_> i gtg
[06:33] <MaskedOne> is there such a thing as a cover that slips over just the laptop screen to protect it but also makes the screen visible enough for a slideshow?
[06:47] <Ashex> is anyone running 32-bit with backports enabled?
[07:47] <tico> hello besides kwifimanager which are other options for wireless managers?
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> theres the gnome one. :)
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> or ya could learn to use the terminal tools.. but i  rarely use any of them.
[07:52] <terrancekennedy> any one here setup a EEE pc before?
[07:57] <brent> how do i transferr the plugins i downloaded off the internet onto aMSN?
[07:58] <brent> why arent my contacts pictures showing on aMSM?
[07:58] <flaccid> the avatars in contact list, brent?
[07:59] <brent> yes
[08:01] <flaccid> i have a problem like this is in kopete and the devs are a bit confuzled over it
[08:01] <flaccid> i suspect microsoft could be doing this on purpose
[08:03] <brent> yes i do believe so
[08:04] <brent> well you see the thing is im stuck here and no ones helping me
[08:04] <flaccid> maybe they can't help?
[08:04] <flaccid> whats the problem?
[08:05] <brent> i cant get the plugins i downloaded to work on amsn
[08:06] <flaccid> well aMSN is not really a K application, so probably why you won't get much help here
[08:06] <flaccid> there is a #amsn channel
[08:07] <brent> ok thanks heaps for your help bro
[08:07] <brent> l8rz
[08:08] <flaccid> cia0
[08:24] <oilinki> argh. I still can not boot with fakeraid1.
[08:24] <oilinki> after bios messages, nothing happens.
[08:25] <oilinki> when I boot from live-cd, I can assemble the /dev/md0 and can mount it
[08:26] <oilinki> however there is quite a few error messages on the dmesg after an while and the mount becomes unreliable
[08:34] <genii> sync
[08:34] <oilinki> sorry?
[09:01] <meg> hi
[09:01] <Goran> hi all!
[09:02] <flaccid> !hi
[09:03] <meg> whitsc irc wood i use?
[09:03] <Goran> i just have a (not so?) short question for the c++-gurus: have i understood cmake correct? do i really need to manually write one CMakeLists.txt per directory of my project and edit it everytime new files need to be linked?
[09:04] <genii> Goran: Maybe enquire in #ubuntu-devel
[09:04] <emilsedgh> yes Goran (iirc)
[09:05] <Goran> meg: u should probably use konversation. i have tried many irc-clients but konversation wins clearly
[09:05] <llutz> Moin
[09:05] <emilsedgh> Goran: kde people are more CMake gurus.try #kde-devel or #kde-buildsystem i think
[09:06] <Goran> emilsedgh: thx!
[09:06] <Goran> moin llutz ^^
[09:17] <lat> I just noticed that kio_sieve is taking up 50% of the processing power of my AMD 64 x 2 5200 cpu. I'm using the kde4 64 bit remix. Is that normal?
[09:17] <lat> That seems way too heavy to me.
[09:19] <lat> Is the same happening to the rest of you?
[09:33] <crackhead_25_> can anyone help me get a dual monitor setup going? ive tried all the bboards and wiki for help, and none of the suggestions seem to be working..
[09:33] <crackhead_25_> pm me if you can, and ill hit you back tomorrow..
[09:33] <llutz> crackhead_25_: which graphiccard?
[09:34] <crackhead_25_> nvidia ge6150 i believe? not sure.. how do i exactly check?
[09:34] <crackhead_25_> it's onboard
[09:35] <llutz> install nvidia-drivers then and use nvidia-settings
[09:35] <crackhead_25_> it's got enough ports.. a typical ide.. and then i have a hdmi for the second..
[09:35] <crackhead_25_> i have those..
[09:35] <crackhead_25_> i tried, and they didnt work..
[09:35] <crackhead_25_> they give the dual monitor settings, but then they dont change or start anything ont he second monitor..
[09:35] <crackhead_25_> they just change the settings on the current monitor
[09:36] <crackhead_25_> i'm running kubuntu.. i think ubuntu wuld probably work better.. it seems to work more smoothly.. should i just try doing a complete reinstall of the most recent ubuntu version?
[09:44] <Marshlurker> crackhead_25_: kubuntu and ubuntu both use xorg as x-server, so they should not behave very much differently in your case
[09:47] <flaccid> crackhead_25_: which GPU and which ubuntu version?
[09:49] <flaccid> we also don't work by pm here for support sorry. please do not ask that again.
[09:49] <mohkohn> How much ram is required for KDE4?
[09:49] <flaccid> mohkohn: #kde might be able to answer that better
[09:50] <crackhead_25_> geforce nvidia 6150.. kubuntu 7.04.. linux 2 6 22 14 386
[09:50] <crackhead_25_> flaccid:
[09:50] <flaccid> crackhead_25_: lspci | grep VGA please
[09:50] <crackhead_25_> crackhead@jupiter:~$ lspci | grep VGA
[09:50] <crackhead_25_> 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51PV [GeForce 6150] (rev a2)
[09:50] <flaccid> which driver?
[09:51] <crackhead_25_> nvidia drivers, im pretty sure..
[09:51] <Yuj2> My KDE4 seems to be going unresponsive due to some program it is automatically starting. How can I "reset" kubuntu? I'm talking about how it saves everything you had open when you shut down & how it starts it up again on reboot. I don't mean auto started programs, just that it loads everything you had when you shut down
[09:51] <flaccid> crackhead_25_: restricted?
[09:51] <flaccid> !kde4
[09:51] <crackhead_25_> flaccid: tried using the nvidia settings (restricted) to set it up, and it adjusts the currently used monitor, but doesnt apply the settings or start using the second monitor at all..
[09:51] <flaccid> Yuj2: disable sessions and check autostart
[09:51] <mohkohn> thanks ubottu
[09:53] <flaccid> crackhead_25_: probably the best guide you'll find for nvidia twinview: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors#TwinView
[09:53] <Yuj2> thanks
[09:53] <flaccid> np
[09:54] <Dr_Willis_> crackhead_25_,  i normally have to use the 2 not installed by default nvidia config tools. that are in the package maanger.
[09:55] <crackhead_25_> flaccid: ill try this tomorrow.. though i think i followed this guide before, and ran into problems with the metamode.. some kind of error.. that other pepole were getting but no one had a resolution to..
[09:55] <flaccid> crackhead_25_: yes, need to get the error from the xorg log and go from there
[10:06] <Spellbound_> Оо
[10:06] <Spellbound__> Атаг?
[10:30] <yacc_> How do I enable the ATI binary drivers on Hardy?
[10:30] <Dr_Willis_> install the fglrx package
[10:30] <Dr_Willis_> i use that hardware manager tool normally for that.
[10:31] <yacc> Where do I find that?
[10:31] <yacc> I told me that there is no fglrx package.
[10:31] <yacc> And I seem to have no "restricted driver" setting system -> advanced :(
[10:33] <yacc> jockey-kde tells me that no propiertary drivers are being used, it shows "ATI Fire GL" as activated but unused.
[10:36] <Muzer> I think I've broken wine
[10:36] <Muzer> :(
[10:36] <Muzer> I accidently changed the patch of the C drive in winecfg
[10:36] <Muzer> and now I can't load winecfg to change it back
[10:37] <Muzer> s/patch/path
[10:39] <Dr_Willis_> the config is a text file
[10:39] <Dr_Willis_> use any editor ya like.
[10:40] <Muzer> where is it stored?
[10:40] <Muzer> ~/.wine
[10:40] <Muzer> ~/.wine is just dosdevices  drive_c  system.reg  userdef.reg  user.reg
[10:41] <savi> !list
[10:44] <afklurker> Muzer: i think you might only need to change the links in ~/.wine/dosdevices
[10:46] <afklurker> but thats only a guess. just try ist ;-)
[10:49] <afklurker> Muzer: does it work?
[10:59] <helpy> how do i add OOo toolbar in ff3 in kubuntu ?
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[11:16] <Tm_T> sorry for my slowness
[11:16] <helpy> !pastebin
[11:21] <fredthemonkey> hello
[11:21] <Dr_Willis> howdy
[11:21] <fredthemonkey> is there a way to get zsnes working on x64?
[11:22] <Dr_Willis> I though zsnes was ported to 64bit not too long ago
[11:22] <Dr_Willis> !info zsnes
[11:22] <Dr_Willis> Guess not.
[11:22] <Dr_Willis> May of been a error in the package description  a few months back
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> Oh wait., it does say amd64
[11:23] <fredthemonkey> but i tried to compile it and it gives me a bunch of errors
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> try the package in the repos?
[11:24] <fredthemonkey> adept couldn't find a package
[11:24] <Dr_Willis> its in universe,  you got universe enabled?
[11:24] <fredthemonkey> i guess not
[11:25] <fredthemonkey> where can i enable it?
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> !repo
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> package manager has a menu/checkbox's
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> and i think theres a repo manager tool now also
[11:26] <fredthemonkey> ah there it is
[11:26] <fredthemonkey> well i enabled universe
[11:26] <fredthemonkey> it was enabled before
[11:26] <fredthemonkey> but it doesnt find a zsnes package
[11:28] <fredthemonkey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/22082/
[11:28] <fredthemonkey> this is what i get when i try to compile zsnes
[11:30] <Dr_Willis> you did update the package listing  recently?
[11:31] <fredthemonkey> i did it yesterday but i'll do it again
[11:31] <Dr_Willis> zsnes uses assembly code in parts.. I dident think it even had a 64bit version
[11:31] <fredthemonkey> no theres no zsnes in the list
[11:31] <Dr_Willis> 64 bit users having trouble compiling should know that ZSNES is currently only x86-32 compatible and will not be x86-64 compatible for a while. It is advised in the mean time to setup a 32 bit chroot, or have 32 bit libraries installed and use either a precompiled binary or try to compile yourself in 32 bit mode by passing gcc/g++ -m32.
[11:31] <Dr_Willis> From the zsnes homepage.
[11:31] <tappulii> hiya, I updated from gutsy to hardy, and now my desktop doesn't show wallpaper, no matter what I put as the background picture. Anyone got ideas what the problem could be?
[11:32] <fredthemonkey> ah okay
[11:32] <tappulii> kdesktop is running and has no problem with mouse actions or showing icons
[11:34] <Dr_Willis> fredthemonkey,  so im pretty sure the info for the package/factoid is wrong. :)
[11:34] <Dr_Willis> !find snes
[11:34] <Dr_Willis> !info snes9x-x
[11:34] <fredthemonkey> yes
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> fredthemonkey,  i think what they mean to say is its intel only, not ppc, or other cpus :)
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> and even then - its 32bit onlt
[11:35] <fredthemonkey> do you think it will run when i simply download the 32bit package?
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> a 32bit chroot env. willproberly be needed.
[11:36] <Dr_Willis> i dont mess with 64bit. so cant tell ya anything more
[11:36] <fredthemonkey> i have no idea what a 32bit chroot is :D
[11:37] <Dr_Willis> if you have no need for 64bit os. then you may want to use the 32bit release of k/ubuntu
[11:37] <Dr_Willis> or just use a different snes emulator
[11:37] <fredthemonkey> yes i'll use snes9x
[11:37] <fredthemonkey> isnt a 32bit OS slower on a 64bit cpu?
[11:37] <Dr_Willis> not at all
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> It cant access as much ram..but if you dont have 4+gb of ram - it wont matter
[11:38] <system366> Oh ho ho! Dr_Willis :P
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> SOME programs may be a tad slower.
[11:38] <fredthemonkey> okay^
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> heavy math programs can gain from the 64bitness also.
[11:38] <fredthemonkey> well i'll use snes9x :)
[11:38] <fredthemonkey> thanks for your help
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> theres a lot of 32 vs 64 'arguments' out there.
[11:38] <fredthemonkey> ah
[11:39] <Dr_Willis> I noticed my new laptop has Vista 64bit. :)
[11:39] <system366> is 32 the x86 or is that 64?
[11:39] <Dr_Willis> 64 - 64bit
[11:39] <Dr_Willis> its called amd64 becasue amd had the cpu out first I guess... :)
[11:39] <Dr_Willis> and the name just stuck.
[11:39] <system366> well thats the x86 thingy meen/ ;S
[11:39] <Dr_Willis> x86 = generic name for th eintel x086 line of cpus
[11:40] <Dr_Willis> 8086 and so forth
[11:40] <Dr_Willis> Which intell stopped using the # method some time back also
[11:40] <Tm_T> 8088 <3
[11:40] <system366> ok  now im confusesd but oh well...
[11:40] <system366> anyways Dr
[11:40] <Dr_Willis> go researhs how intel used to # their cpus
[11:40] <system366> we have aptient here :P again :D
[11:40] <system366> or more of still =/
[11:41] <Dr_Willis> The generic term x86 refers to the instruction set of the most commercially successful CPU architecture in the history of personal computing.[1] It is used in processors from Intel, AMD, VIA, and others, and derived from the model numbers of the first few generations of processors, backward compatible with Intel's original 16-bit 8086 CPU, most of which were ending in 86.[2] Since then, many additions and extensions have been adde
[11:41] <Dr_Willis> d to the x86 instruction set, almost consistently with full backwards compatibility.
[11:41] <system366> nVidia graphhics :) any goof with that? :P
[11:41] <Dr_Willis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86
[11:41] <Dr_Willis> I run that hardware config tool.. it gets my nvidia drivers.. i reboot.. done. :)
[11:41] <system366> well mine didnt work
[11:42] <system366> u meen the restricted drivers thingy right?
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> yep - they keep changeing its name
[11:42] <system366> well it didnt work for me and sum1 else said use envyng so i did
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> or i just 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new'
[11:42] <system366> same thing happened
[11:42] <system366> but there is a new thing in settings for my card
[11:42] <system366> when i open a message pops up saying
[11:42] <system366> You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.
[11:43] <Dr_Willis> I had to also install the nvidia config tools and  tweak them a bit.
[11:43] <Dr_Willis> what you MIGHT try is removing the xorg.conf, and restarting X. (move it to another file name )
[11:43] <Dr_Willis> I had one machine i had to do that with.
[11:43] <system366> sum1 else told me to edit the screen section of the xorg config n i did n my screen resoluution went small but i fixed that with a diff app
[11:43] <Dr_Willis> The new way X does the minimal configs - confuses somt things.
[11:44] <system366> ifi paste u my conf file can u tell me what needs changing plz? :)
[11:44] <Dr_Willis> I have no idea what needs changeing
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> Some times ya just gotta play with the tools.
[11:45] <system366> ah crap okays np
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> nvidia-settings - Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> nvidia-xconfig - The NVIDIA X Configuration Tool
[11:45] <system366> ooo kk 1sec ill install that
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> what i normally do is install those 2 tools above, and the nvidia-glx-new, reboot.. if it needs tweakig  i run the ' nvidia-xconfig -a ' command and try X again
[11:46] <system366> oh well it says the drivers are working so do i need the glx still?
[11:46] <Dr_Willis> for some ODD reason the other day. Ihad to remove the  xorg.conf file. (sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.ORIGINAL ) and restarted X and it took off.
[11:46] <Dr_Willis> if you installed the glx package then its allready isntalled. it will say so if you try to install it.
[11:47] <flaccid> you never need to remove xorg.conf . better to check log and see problem
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> If the drivers are working and the display is just mess3ed up the 'sudo nvidia-settings ' MIGHT let you tweak them
[11:47] <system366> well i had install gls not the glx-new one but the envyng uninstalled it and installed a diff thing
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> flaccid,  i know..but it regenreated it properly after that.
[11:47] <flaccid> how did it re-generate?
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> No ideea. i just got mad at it.. and removed it. and it came back
[11:48] <Dr_Willis> and it worked. :)
[11:48] <Dr_Willis> i was trying to get it to kick into the bulletproof X thing
[11:48] <nickishappy> the "bullet proof x" feature is why that happened
[11:48] <system366> okheres a nice big list for u... which should i install?
[11:48] <system366> system366@system366-desktop:~$ aptitude search nvidia
[11:48] <system366> p   nvidia-cg-toolkit               - NVIDIA Cg Toolkit Installer
[11:48] <Dr_Willis> nickishappy,  yep. thats my guess also
[11:48] <system366> p   nvidia-glx                      - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver
[11:48] <system366> p   nvidia-glx-dev                  - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver dev
[11:48] <system366> p   nvidia-glx-dev-envy             - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver dev
[11:48] <system366> p   nvidia-glx-envy                 - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver
[11:48] <system366> c   nvidia-glx-legacy               - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'legacy' d
[11:48] <system366> p   nvidia-glx-legacy-dev           - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'legacy' d
[11:48] <Dr_Willis> Bulletproof X - is somewhat  lacking in its bullet-proofness
[11:48] <system366> i   nvidia-glx-legacy-dev-envy      - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'legacy' d
[11:49] <system366> i   nvidia-glx-legacy-envy          - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'legacy' d
[11:49] <flaccid> !pastebin | system366
[11:49] <system366> p   nvidia-glx-new                  - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driv
[11:49] <system366> p   nvidia-glx-new-dev              - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driv
[11:49] <system366> p   nvidia-glx-new-dev-envy         - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driv
[11:49] <system366> p   nvidia-glx-new-envy             - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driv
[11:49] <flaccid> system366: never paste more than 3 lines at a time.
[11:49] <system366> v   nvidia-kernel-1.0.7184          -
[11:49] <system366> v   nvidia-kernel-1.0.8774          -
[11:49] <nickishappy> system366: stop flooding the chanel
[11:49] <system366> v   nvidia-kernel-169.12            -
[11:49] <system366> v   nvidia-kernel-71.86.04          -
[11:49] <system366> v   nvidia-kernel-96.43.05          -
[11:49] <system366> i A nvidia-kernel-common            - NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
[11:49] <flaccid> i think we need an op to ban this person.
[11:49] <system366> p   nvidia-kernel-source            - NVIDIA binary kernel module source
[11:49] <system366> p   nvidia-kernel-source-envy       - NVIDIA binary kernel module source
[11:50] <system366> p   nvidia-legacy-kernel-source     - NVIDIA binary 'legacy' kernel module sourc
[11:50] <Dr_Willis> I think he discovered what the middle mouse button does
[11:50] <system366> i   nvidia-legacy-kernel-source-env - NVIDIA binary 'legacy' kernel module sourc
[11:50] <system366> p   nvidia-new-kernel-source        - NVIDIA binary 'new' kernel module source
[11:50] <system366> p   nvidia-new-kernel-source-envy   - NVIDIA binary 'new' kernel module source
[11:50] <system366> i   nvidia-settings                 - Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics dr
[11:50] <system366> p   nvidia-xconfig                  - The NVIDIA X Configuration Tool
[11:50] <system366> oops ty for that xD
[11:50] <system366> ooo ok :)
[11:50] <system366> sowwi ^_^
[11:50] <system366> Hey! -.-
[11:50] <system366> system366@system366-desktop:~$ aptitude search nvidia
[11:51] <system366> p   nvidia-cg-toolkit               - NVIDIA Cg Toolkit Installer
[11:51] <system366> p   nvidia-glx                      - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver
[11:51] <flaccid> !ops
[11:51] <system366> p   nvidia-glx-dev                  - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver dev
[11:51] <Dr_Willis> system366,  middle click = paste.
[11:51] <system366> p   nvidia-glx-dev-envy             - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver dev
[11:51] <flaccid> thanks stdin
[11:51] <stdin> wow, quite a paste :/
[11:51] <Dr_Willis> :)
[11:51] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[11:52] <system366> thanks for the warm welcome -.-
[11:52] <stdin> system366: please, for the love of all that is holy, use the pastebin
[11:52] <system366> yeh i am now i never knew about it before and i didnt know that middle click pasted XD
[11:52] <flaccid> !nvidia | system366 read that and if you have problems, check the log ok.
[11:52] <system366> ty
[11:52] <stdin> !paste | system366
[11:52] <stdin> ^ that's the link
[11:53] <stdin> it's also in the topic ;)
[11:53] <system366> i have bookmarked the paste bin :)
[11:53] <Dr_Willis> learn to use the 'pastebinit' command
[11:53] <system366> how do i use it? :)
[11:53] <stdin> I'd guess "some_command | pastebinit"
[11:54] <stdin> if it's anything like my own script
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> man pastebinit
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> :)
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> !info pastebinit
[11:54] <flaccid> newbies won't understand the man page
[11:54] <Jack_Sparrow> sudo apt-get install pastebinit  && cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit (Provide Pastebin link in channel)  simple  command
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> Heck they may not understand the idea of a pastebin
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> :)
[11:54] <stdin> flaccid: man:/pastebinit  :)
[11:55] <Jack_Sparrow> sudo apt-get install pastebinit  && cp /etc/fstab ~/Desktop/Partition_Layout.txt && sudo fdisk -l >> ~/Desktop/Partition_Layout.txt && lsb_release -a >> ~/Desktop/Partition_Layout.txt && cat /home/$USER/Desktop/Partition_Layout.txt | pastebinit  (Provide Pastebin link in channel)
[11:55] <flaccid> stdin: that won't help if they do not understand the man page!
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> $ magicially fix the machine --now
[11:55] <flaccid> lol so much for novice
[11:55] <flaccid> lets be realistic
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> flaccid,  we need a kpastebinit and a gnome-pastebinit :)
[11:56] <Jack_Sparrow> system366 what were you trying to post to the pastebin
[11:56] <flaccid> indeed
[11:56] <stdin> flaccid: why not? it's in english right?
[11:56] <system366> http://paste.ubuntu.com/22087/
[11:56] <system366> that ;0
[11:56] <system366> :)*
[11:56]  * Dr_Willis forgets the original problem
[11:56] <Dr_Willis> system366,  and the point of that paste was ?
[11:56] <system366> graphhics not working :P
[11:56] <flaccid> stdin: because they are a newbie and do not know how to read a man page
[11:57] <system366> program tells me to edit it
[11:57] <flaccid> a lot of newbies don't even know what cli is
[11:57] <Dr_Willis> I listed the 3 packages i normaly install
[11:57] <Dr_Willis> system366,  theres no reason to edit THAT output. its not a config file.
[11:57] <system366> yeh im just looking on this page flaccid said to go to
[11:57] <system366> oh yeh wrong one
[11:57] <Dr_Willis> system366 :)
[11:57] <system366> lmfao thats the one i was asking which to install woops XD
[11:58] <flaccid> system366: purge all those packages then run hardware drivers manager, enable it and reboot, done.
[11:58] <Dr_Willis> the fact that you ran envy. can really confuse things..
[11:58] <Dr_Willis> but you stated that the nvidia driver WAS being used.. (how do you know this?)
[11:58] <system366> flaccid... those wer installed by a manager thingy ;)
[11:59] <flaccid> system366: good for you :)
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> if the driver IS being used, and the display is just wrong the 2 nvidia config tools may help
[11:59] <flaccid> or bad rather
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> these 2 -->
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> nvidia-settings - Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> nvidia-xconfig - The NVIDIA X Configuration Tool
[11:59] <system366> i used the restricred drivers 1st
[11:59] <system366> it didnt work
[11:59] <flaccid> !doesntwork | system366
[11:59] <system366> sum1 told me to manually install the nvidia-glx package
[11:59] <flaccid> i'll lave you guys to the mess im going to watch a movie
[11:59] <system366> still didnt work, i then got told to try using envyng so i did, it uninstalled the glx i previously installed and did something else...
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new are the ones used by the video cards.. dependig on what card exactly
[12:00] <akim> will kde3 be still supprted after the kde4.1 release?
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> system366,  check your xorg.conf to see what driver is being used rigth now.
[12:00] <system366> ok doesnt work as in the restricted drivers and envyng say its working but my effects dont change anything and avant-window-navigator closes as soon as i start it up
[12:00] <nevermore> hi, is there an easy way to make vista udf cd's work under kubuntu?
[12:00] <system366> ok
[12:00] <system366> how do i check it please? :d
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:00] <akim> how many years?
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> 	Driver		"nvidia"     or  Driver 'nv'
[12:01] <system366>         Driver          "nvidia"
[12:01] <system366>         Driver          "kbd"
[12:01] <system366>         Driver          "mouse"
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> system366,   did you see a big Nvidia logo flash when you started up the machine and X started?
[12:02] <yacc> Ah, the joys of quality software, WinXP install just ate my partition table ;)
[12:02] <system366> X starts automaticly... but no nVidia logo or anything
[12:02] <flaccid> thats off by default anyway in ubuntu
[12:02] <system366> ubuntu or kubuntu? ;)
[12:02] <system366> or both :D
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> flaccid,  Its was on for me by default for the first time in hardy..
[12:03] <nickishappy> both
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> not sure why ubuntu hates it so much. :)
[12:03] <flaccid> not for me
[12:03] <flaccid> [20:58] <flaccid> system366: purge all those packages then run hardware drivers manager, enable it and reboot, done. *cough*
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> system366,  ok.. lets go back to the begining.. You DO seem to be using the nvidia driver.. so whats the issue?
[12:03] <flaccid> lol yeah is there an issue
[12:03] <system366> yes
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> and the issue is?
[12:04] <system366> the drivers seem fine but when i put desktop effects on there is no change at all also avant-window-navigator closes as soon as it starts up (I heard that if ur graphics dont work properly this will just close so i installed it to check)
[12:04] <flaccid> system366: which desktop effects and how and which kde version?
[12:05] <system366> kde3 compiz-fusion
[12:05] <flaccid> !compiz-fusion | system366 did you follow this?
[12:05] <Dr_Willis> system366,  you did INSTALL compiz ?
[12:05] <system366> i have the compizz-icon thingy aswell for configuing
[12:05] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:05] <Dr_Willis> i dont use compiz and i hate that avant-poo-thing. :)
[12:05] <system366> 1sec :p
[12:06] <flaccid> system366: anyway support for this is in #compiz-fusion and you should show them the output of compiz --replace . we don't really support compiz here because its not kubuntu
[12:06] <system366> ooo okays ty ^_^
[12:06] <flaccid> np
[12:06] <nickishappy> Once kde4 supports dual head configurations properly, I'll be perfectly happy with kwin4's wobbly windows :D
[12:07] <flaccid> system366: i wouldn't expect it t work unless you followed the guide properly anyway..
[12:07] <system366> okays well i never knew of this guid
[12:07] <system366> but 1 question
[12:07] <flaccid> system366: yeah problem could be you. there is guides for almost everything on the wiki.
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> wobbly windows makes my wife throw up
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:07] <system366> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/amaranth/ubuntu it says ubuntu at end of the link... will it still work for kubuntu?
[12:07] <flaccid> system366: we dont know and we don't support it.
[12:08] <system366> ok ill ask at compiz channel :0
[12:08] <system366> :)*
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu and kubuntu use the same packages -
[12:08] <flaccid> that doesn't mean they operate the same
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> ppa packag4es can cause issues.. use with care
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> whatever amaranth is
[12:08] <flaccid> its likely a user on launchpad
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> Yep.
[12:09] <flaccid> https://launchpad.net/~amaranth
[12:09] <el1te> hi all im running the kubuntu 8.04 kde remix live cd. how do i install btaudio
[12:09] <flaccid> alrighty all done then.
[12:09] <el1te> i cant find it
[12:10] <Dr_Willis> so its not even a package/program name..
[12:10] <el1te> i figured that now...but how do i get it to show up in lsmod
[12:10] <Dr_Willis> #  0 source packages (0 bytes)
[12:10] <Dr_Willis> # 0 binary packages (0 bytes)
[12:10] <el1te> i tried to insert it but it cant find it
[12:10]  * nickishappy remembers some good fun trying to get btaudio going
[12:10] <flaccid> el1te: its not in ubuntu
[12:10] <flaccid> so you must follow the 3rd party doco
[12:11] <el1te> well i made a o-scope from my tv-card so im dying to try it :)
[12:11] <el1te> bttv is in there...why would that be there and not btaudio
[12:11] <flaccid> el1te: try google, lots there as usual
[12:11] <nickishappy> last I tried, you had to recompile alsa
[12:11] <el1te> you dont think i did that before i had to get konversation install it and configure it?
[12:12] <el1te> oh no
[12:12] <el1te> recompile from live cd....that not gonna happen
[12:12] <el1te> i dont know why bttv would be there and not btaudio
[12:12] <flaccid> why would you expect there to be?
[12:13] <nickishappy> the gentoo wiki is the best place to look for btaudio information
[12:13] <el1te> what would you use bttv for?
[12:13] <el1te> if it has bttv it has to have btaudio dont it
[12:14] <el1te> watch picture with no sound?
[12:14] <nickishappy> different cards handle this in different ways
[12:14] <el1te> ahh true
[12:14] <el1te> wasnt thinking bout that
[12:14] <el1te> been up all night doing that project
[12:14] <el1te> looks sweet
[12:14] <nickishappy> most cards I've had you plug an audio out from the card to the mic in on the video card
[12:15] <el1te> any of you tried it?
[12:15] <nickishappy> *audio card
[12:15] <el1te> true thats how this card is to
[12:15] <el1te> but i modded it :)
[12:15] <el1te> into an oscilloscope
[12:15] <nickishappy> I never really got btaudio to work properly
[12:16] <el1te> then i prob arent gonna get it working espicially from live cd
[12:16] <nickishappy> that is, once it was initialized it played sound even when I wasn't tv
[12:16] <el1te> yea i had that same problem i know what you mean
[12:16] <el1te> know a distro that might have btaudio working?
[12:16] <el1te> live cd that is
[12:16] <el1te> i dont care bout bttv
[12:16] <el1te> in this case
[12:17] <nickishappy> not that I know of. maybe... MAYBE Sabayon
[12:17] <nickishappy> they compile a bunch of crazy stuff like that in by default
[12:17] <el1te> ok thanks for the infor yall....and kubuntu 8,04 kde remix i love the desktoo
[12:17] <el1te> looks sweet
[12:17] <hiral> hi
[12:17] <el1te> thanks much
[12:17] <el1te> bbl
[12:18] <nickishappy> see ya
[12:18] <nickishappy> hello hiral
[12:19] <akim> will kde3 still be supported by kubuntu after the kde4.1 release?
[12:19] <nickishappy> I bet it will
[12:19] <nickishappy> 4.1 will still be missing a few important features
[12:20] <akim> ok
[12:20]  * nickishappy points to dual head setup that won't work in KDE4 until 4.2 or 4.3
[12:20] <akim> has kubuntu kde3 hardy a compiz fusion integration?
[12:21] <engineer> no and it will never have
[12:21] <akim> like ubuntu
[12:21] <engineer> kwin will have it's own effects
[12:21] <akim> yes it will, but now
[12:22] <nickishappy> now it's not officially supported, but easy to do
[12:23] <akim> is there a little workshop?
[12:23] <akim> i never know what to write in the autostart script
[12:24] <Dr_Willis> Huh?
[12:24] <nickishappy> install fusion-icon, and start that at login
[12:24] <nickishappy> it will let you switch windows managers on the fly
[12:25] <nickishappy> it can reek havok with iconified windows in the tray though
[12:26] <akim> can launch it automatically at login?
[12:28] <Dr_Willis> this is linux... "you can do anything"
[12:28] <Dr_Willis> !autostart
[12:38] <pzhar> hi folks, just got kubuntu
[12:38] <nickishappy> how do you like it so far?
[12:39] <system366> ummm how do i get back to the compiz fusion channel please? :)
[12:39] <pzhar> well, i've had some problems with kde 4.0
[12:39] <nickishappy> system366: join #compiz-fusion
[12:40] <pzhar> when i log into kde 4.0 it just give me a back screen, sometimes with artifacts
[12:40] <system366> ty
[12:40] <system366> and how can i save it to my server list please?
[12:40] <nickishappy> are you using konversation?
[12:40] <system366> yeh
[12:40] <pzhar> hence, i'm currently running hardy heron
[12:40] <akim> file -> server list
[12:41] <nickishappy> file->server list->irc.freenode.net->edit
[12:41] <pzhar> anybody known how to uninstall kde 4.0?
[12:41] <nickishappy> kde4 is still in seigo stage (for those of you who listen to linux action show)
[12:42] <nickishappy> in add/remove programs, search for kde4 and uninstall related packages
[12:42] <Ayabara> how do I install themes in my kubuntu? can I just drag and drop tar.gz files somewhere?
[12:42] <pzhar> thing is that i got kde 4 working before but now it doesn't work - must be some package i installed that it doesn't like
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> !theme
[12:43] <akim> piuh
[12:43] <akim> i would rather reinstall kubuntu, but with kde3
[12:43] <nickishappy> pzhar: have you tried the nightly builds? one day kde4 might magically work again for you :)
[12:44] <system366> hmmm what do i type in for the new server? i put compiz-fusion as name and the irc link as server thingy but when i try to connect it ends at CTCP]revieced version request from freenode-connect
[12:44] <nickishappy> you can't forget the #
[12:44] <akim> or did you install the kde3 version?
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> Ayabara,  Themes under kde are often a little more complex then that. they are made of different parts. and ofte the parts need tobe compiled.
[12:44] <nickishappy> the server is irc.freenode.net
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> Ayabara,  there are a great many themes and parts in the package manager. not instaled by default
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> http://www.monkeyblog.org/ubuntu/installing/
[12:44] <Ayabara> Dr_Willis: that's what I feared :-)
[12:45] <pzhar> what are the nightly builds
[12:45] <Ayabara> Dr_Willis: ah.
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> Ayabara, with great power comes great... err.. somthing
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:45] <system366> yeh i put that as   the server... what am i supposed to put as the name?
[12:45] <system366> am i supposed to enter a command in the command field?
[12:46] <akim> no
[12:46] <Ayabara> Dr_Willis: is there a package with a collection of themes in the repo?
[12:46] <nickishappy> pzhar: if you add "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/project-neon/ubuntu hardy main" to sources.list, they build parts of kde4 nightly
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> Ayabara,  fire up the package manager and look for ' kwin ' and ' themes '
[12:47] <nickishappy> system366: just add #compiz-fusion to the list of auto join chanels
[12:47] <nickishappy> qtcurve is an awesome theme
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> i just tend to use Plastik
[12:48] <Ayabara> Dr_Willis: hm. just found kwin-baghira.
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> Ayabara,  i hate os-x wannabes
[12:48] <nickishappy> with whatever the kubuntu default was, I couldn't tell if checkboxes were checked when they were highlited
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> dont care for OS-X either. :)
[12:48] <clau30> !flash
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> nickishappy,  yep. hate that.
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> nickishappy,  like the old apps that used some little box that was up or down to be checked.. :)
[12:49] <Ayabara> Dr_Willis: ditto. I'm looking for a nice dark theme. Azenis looks good, but it has errors in the tar.gz file..
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> dark themes always seem to have other conflicts.
[12:50] <pzhar> thanks for the help - how exactly do i ad the line into the sources.list file - where does it go
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> looks good most of the time.. then bam.. somthing shows up unreadable
[12:50] <clau30> does anyone know how to fix flash on firefox3 (64 bit system)?
[12:51] <nickishappy> pzhar: add what I had in quotes to the end of the /etc/apt/sources.list file (without the quotes)
[12:51] <nickishappy> flash works fine here in hardy on 64 bit most of the time
[12:51] <nickishappy> if all flash fails, restart the browser and it should come back up
[12:51] <clau30> well yesterday worked fine (after a ln -s) and today... dunno why, it doesn't work anymore
[12:52] <Ayabara> Dr_Willis: I agree to that as well :-)
[12:53]  * nickishappy prefers a light theme with a nice black konsole over it
[12:53] <clau30> heh, works after browser restart.. thanks nickishappy ;)
[12:54] <pzhar> ok, i've added the line
[12:54] <Ddek> excuse me, when i try to compile a .c file with a mipsel compiler i get this error "/opt/mcmcc-mipsel/mipsel-linux/bin/ld: cannot open crt1.o" someone can help me?
[12:54] <Ayabara> if someone can recommend a nice, light theme, I'm happy to listen :-)
[12:54] <pim> Ddek I think you'd better ask that somewhere else.
[12:55] <nickishappy> clau30: no problem. I've been using flash on 64bit for a while. It's gotten much better lately
[12:55] <clau30> yeah, I'm quite happy with it
[12:55] <clau30> no issues beside this one
[12:55] <pzhar> how do i install the nightly bulds having changed the sources.list file
[12:56] <nickishappy> Ddek: that looks like a linker error. You are asking in the wrong place though
[12:56] <clau30> so thanks again and bye
[12:56] <nickishappy> one sec pzhar...
[12:58] <_sourcemaker> what is better: vnc or rdp?
[12:58] <nickishappy> pzhar: apt-get install kde-nightly-*
[12:58] <spyketomato> hey all - I have a .tar archive that I made yesterday (while doing a fresh install of kubuntu), and now Ark doesn't want to open it - any ideas if I can check/repair/do SOMETHING with the archive to get what I can out of it?? (it's my entire music collection...)
[13:00] <PhilRod> spyketomato: "tar tf filename.tar" in a konsole - does that show you a list of files in the archive? (It should if the file is not corrupt)
[13:01] <spyketomato> PhilRod: yep, it's scolling though everything
[13:01] <PhilRod> ok, then the archive presumably isn't corrupt
[13:02] <spyketomato> I'm hoping it isn't :)
[13:02] <PhilRod> you could just untar it on the command line if all you want is to get the files out:
[13:02] <PhilRod> tar xvf filename.tar
[13:02] <PhilRod> that'll extract it to the current directory
[13:02] <spyketomato> that's all I need - let me see if that works
[13:03] <spyketomato> weird - seems to be working fine - wonder why ark didn't like the archive...
[13:04] <spyketomato> made me panic and everything - BAD ark!!
[13:04] <Dragnslcr> _sourcemaker- usually rdp, but there is no rdp server for Linux that I know of
[13:05] <nickishappy> ark has been giving me guff lately too
[13:05] <nickishappy> the other day I had my mom drop to the cli to extract something :)
[13:07] <spyketomato> maybe ark's just going through some issues... wife's sick or something lol
[13:14] <Ayabara> is there a "normal" way to build a theme using cmake? never used cmake before, but it looks like it's what I need to do :-)
[13:19] <wvh> /leave
[13:19] <pim> hehe
[13:20] <wolton> how is service's name of "update" in kubuntu 7.10 ?
[13:21] <wolton> I would like disable this service ... someone knows ?
[13:24] <Dragnslcr> You mean Adept Updater?
[13:25] <neville_> Is there ever going to be firefox 3 packaged for Gutsy?
[13:25] <wolton> well I dont know .. I saw that everyone start computer .. happen one check update
[13:25] <nickishappy> maybe in backports re[p (not enabled by default)
[13:26] <nickishappy> *repo
[13:26] <wolton> everyone = everytime .. sorry
[13:26] <wolton> nickishappy: but Firefox 3 will be avail for 7.10 ?
[13:26] <wolton> official releasing
[13:27] <Dragnslcr> neville_- probably not in the repository
[13:27] <nickishappy> you'd have to ask a master of the universe (MOTU)
[13:27] <wolton> ahhahaha
[13:27] <wolton> ok
[13:27] <Dragnslcr> !info firefox-3.0 gutsy
[13:27] <wolton> ouch
[13:28] <wolton> may be only 8.03
[13:28] <flaccid> i don't think that thing works with the bot right
[13:28] <neville_> >> Beta 4 is the latest, and it's so ugh
[13:28] <Dragnslcr> wolton- anyway, you don't want to disable Adept Updater, unless you plan on manually doing apt-get upgrade every day
[13:29] <wolton> Dragnslcr: yes I want .. how to disable adept updater ?
[13:29] <wolton> I think "apt-get update", not ?
[13:30] <wolton> I came from fedora ....
[13:30] <wolton> and from gnome
[13:30] <wolton> so little lost in Kubuntu
[13:30] <flaccid> yeah gutsy-backports needs to be updated if it is to be updated
[13:30] <flaccid> !enter | wolton
[13:31] <flaccid> wolton: simply right click and ext adept_notifier from the task tray
[13:33] <wolton> flaccid: but no adept_notifier in my task tray
[13:33] <flaccid> sorry what do you want to disable then?
[13:34] <wolton> check updates
[13:34] <wolton> I think is a service, not ?
[13:34] <flaccid> what do you mean?
[13:34] <flaccid> i havnt heard of it
[13:34] <wolton> in fedora was yum-updated
[13:34] <wolton> ok
[13:35] <flaccid> yeah this isn't fedora last time i checked :)
[13:35] <ubuntu> hello
[13:37] <ixenakis> HI :-)
[13:37] <flaccid> !hi
[13:38] <Dragnslcr> flaccid- I think he wants to disable Adept Notifier, which I already said is a bad idea
[13:38] <frogonwheels> $#)(* adept notifier - hate it.
[13:38] <frogonwheels> disabled it straight away.
[13:38] <frogonwheels> but I do fairly regular aptitude updates - so it's user choice.
[13:39] <frogonwheels> .. so Dragnslcr's warning still stands flaccid :)
[13:39] <flaccid> Dragnslcr: yeah i gave the solution to that as well.
[13:40] <flaccid> there was a warning lol
[13:40] <neville_> oh well, i'll just make it from source. thanks for your time
[13:40] <flaccid> people have the choice to disable whatever they want!
[13:57] <fksls> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5237868#post5237868 <-- someone please help me :/  Re: woke up, pc had shut down, help!!!!
[14:02] <RurouniJones> Any OSS "Final Draft" style programs (screenplay writing software) out there?
[14:06] <User657> Can anyone tell me if Kubuntu is ok for a home server?
[14:06] <enrry> hello, who knows how to set usplash resolution?
[14:07] <system366> just for future referance incase any1 comes in with same problem of having graphics drivers installed but effects not working. if they have a nVidia GFX card using Legacy drivers they need to Run :  sudo apt-get install xserver-xgl
[14:07] <Dragnslcr> User657- should work fine, though if it's a server, you probably don't need a desktop environment, so you could just use Ubuntu Server
[14:07] <system366> good question... who knows how to set resolution in general? XD
[14:07] <enrry> system settings
[14:08] <system366> oh yea i forgot about that. now i feel like a right noob, ty :)
[14:08] <User657> Would that be easy to setup? I#m new to linux so something easy.
[14:09] <nickishappy> everyone knows you just add a new modeline to xorg.conf to change resolutions :P
[14:10] <User657> I was looking at the following tut. It seems simple enough. http://www.techenclave.com/guides-and-tutorials/how-build-low-cost-linux-home-102018.html0
[14:10] <system366> ooo nickishappy... how do i edit my xorg.conf file again? i always forget :)
[14:11] <system366> sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf? or sumthing like that?
[14:11] <nickishappy> system336: yeah, about that. ubuntu is actually pretty touchy about the xorg.conf with bullet proof X. I'd stick to the gui tools to be safe
[14:11] <nickishappy> or sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:11] <system366> well i just tried it and changed the resolution
[14:11] <system366> resolution changed fine but text is still small
[14:11] <Dragnslcr> system366- always use kdesu with GUI apps
[14:12] <enrry> doesn't work
[14:12] <pim> kdesudo
[14:12] <User657> Does Kubuntu have a CD distro?
[14:12] <system366> this only happened sincle i install the xserver-glx and got compiz working... so im guessing i need to change a setting in compiz then?
[14:12] <Dragnslcr> User657- I've never installed Ubuntu Server, so I don't know what it's like. If you already know how to run a Linux server, I can't imagine it being very difficult
[14:13] <Dragnslcr> pim- kdesu and kdesudo are the same program now
[14:13] <system366> user657 for CD distros free go to shipit ubuntu (Google it) and u can get free discs :)
[14:13] <User657> Thats my problem Dragn. I am a complete newb when it comes to Linux. I am running PCLinuxOS at the mo but I have looked at the tutorial I just sent the link for and I thought I would get some guru advice.
[14:13] <Dragnslcr> pim- actually, kdesu is just a symlink to kdesudo
[14:13] <system366> !pastebinit
[14:14] <system366> ahhh
[14:14] <system366> !pastebin
[14:14] <system366> thar we go lols
[14:14] <User657> What I actually want to do is have a home server with printing capabilites and access to my files whilst I am away from home.
[14:14] <Dragnslcr> User657- I guess it depends what you want the server for
[14:15] <User657> I have over 100 films in avi format. Thousands of MP3's from old CD's I have converted.
[14:15] <system366> http://paste.ubuntu.com/22112/ Please can sum1 tell me exactly what bits to change??? i need my text bigger but would prefer if i can keep same resolution, was working fine before i got compiz-fusion workig
[14:15] <Dragnslcr> User657- I don't have any experience with settings up a CUPS server, but setting up an FTP server should be pretty easy
[14:15] <User657> The other computers in the household are running on windows so it would have to be compatible.
[14:16] <Dragnslcr> Actually, you probably wouldn't even need FTP, just run sshd and use an SCP client
[14:16] <system366> my text is so small where u said pretty easy i thought u said pretty sexy... im gunna need a magnifying glass XD
[14:16] <Dragnslcr> User657- WinSCP is pretty good for file transfers
[14:16] <User657> See thats all jargon to me. Maybes I am better off sticking with windows.
[14:17] <system366> User679, trial and error... best way to learn linux... one tip tho. dont type DD in to any rooted console ;)
[14:17] <Dragnslcr> User657- for SCP, all you need on the server side is an sshd, I think the package name is openssh-server
[14:17] <Dr_Willis> ssh + winscp = easy way to transfer some files
[14:17] <Dragnslcr> User657- and on the client side you just use WinSCP
[14:17] <system366> yes openssh-server and openssh-client so u can work with the server both ways :)
[14:18] <User657> Basically I would like a point of contact for all my films. Pictures. Files and possibly someway of backing up my pictures. I would also like to be able to backup my server. A kind of raid system.
[14:18] <system366> or of course he could setup a sharing folder?? :) that works from winndows to linux i believe?
[14:18] <system366> u can use G-Parted to setup a raid system i think?
[14:19] <system366> format as a raid drive if you have 2 drives in one computer??? or something like that, i saw raid sumwer yesterday while formatting a drive in linux and i think it was in gparted ::)
[14:21] <User657> It seems like a bigger project than I first thought.
[14:25] <fksls> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5237868#post5237868 <-- someone please help me :/  Re: woke up, pc had shut down, help!!!!
[14:26] <BluesKaj> hOwdy
[14:31] <rav> hello. i was told yesterday that the b43 kernel module does work on the 2.6.24-19 kernel. but if i do 'sudo iwlist scan' i get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/22115/
[14:33] <RurouniJones> Any OSS "Final Draft" style programs (screenplay writing software) out there? celtx to answer my previous question if anyone is interested.
[14:34] <yao_ziyua1> ﻿how about ff3 for kubuntu now?
[14:37] <flaccid_> !info firefox | yao_ziyua1
[14:38] <yao_ziyua1> i'm going to ubuntu to test it
[14:38] <yao_ziyua1> found some bugs under kubuntu
[14:38] <flaccid_> rav: did you use the guide on the wiki for that driver?
[14:38] <SlimG2> krita 1.6.3 still creates a 1px transparent edge along the bottom and right edge of a picture when resized to less than origianl, anyone else got this problem? or just me?
[14:38] <Calum> Hi folks: I'm having some real problems getting a vanilla ethernet connection established with 8.04/KDE4 - not having much joy Googling.  Anyone have any pointers?
[14:38] <flaccid_> Calum: check hardware support for your card
[14:39] <Calum> Realtek 8139 - worked in 6.06 (and SuSE 7.0, for that matter ;)
[14:39] <tzd> anyone using Krusader here please?
[14:39] <PhilRod> Calum: how far have you got? does the interface show up in ifconfig?
[14:40] <flaccid_> tzd: i use it
[14:40] <Calum> PhilRod, Yes, the interface exists, and avahi (which I don't understand at all) assigns an IP to it in the 169.* range, but nothing is pingable
[14:41] <PhilRod> Calum: ok, I don't understand avahi either, but afaict it just gets in the way
[14:41] <Calum> I also note that ipv6 is enabled and wonder if there could be a conflict of some kind going on
[14:41] <Calum> LOL, I'm glad it's just not me.
[14:41] <flaccid_> Calum: thats normal
[14:42] <flaccid_> Calum: you can stop avahi by sudo /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon stop to see if its the problem
[14:42] <tzd> flaccid_: great :) I have this issue with "user actions".. when i right click a file i get 40 "actions" listed even when i deleted most of them? Do you experience the same issue or do you have a solution to this please? I found something on google referring to a xml file but that one matched my settings :/
[14:42] <PhilRod> Calum: if the interface is up and you have a dhcp server on your network, you should be able to get an address with "sudo dhclient eth0" (or whatever the interface is)
[14:42] <flaccid_> tzd: sorry can't really help.. i've never touched the actions etc.
[14:43] <flaccid_> you might want to kill the running dhcpd and dhcdbd
[14:43] <flaccid_> as well Calum before running dhclient
[14:43] <Calum> flaccid_, good idea.  I tried killing avahi and running dhclient to no avail.
[14:44] <tzd> flaccid_: hmm ok but you've must have experienced that same thing? If you try right clicking on a file in krusader and just hoovering over user actions then you'll get that massive list right?
[14:44] <flaccid_> Calum: check your log and dmesg..
[14:44] <Calum> Will do.
[14:45] <flaccid_> tzd: sure i do
[14:45] <tzd> flaccid_: cool, thanks :)
[14:45] <Calum> Before I reboot, can I get a list of suggestions for debugging info (lspci, etc) that might be of any use?  No point ping-ponging back and forth!
[14:47] <flaccid_> Calum: um look for errors and advise what happens with dhclient
[14:48] <Calum> nae bother.  Be back in half an hour!
[14:49] <flaccid_> whatever nae means
[15:02] <cappy_> hello, i got a problem... i installed PAM and now i cant use root user ,What should i do ?
[15:03] <Dr_Willis> I cant say that ive ever used pam. SO cant help much
[15:03] <Dr_Willis> !info pam
[15:03] <jussi01> cappy_: what do you mean by root user?
[15:03] <jussi01> ie. sudo?
[15:03] <cappy_> su , sudo , kdesu . gksudo
[15:03] <cappy_> either of them
[15:03] <cappy_> it print me that i typed 3 times wrong password
[15:04] <cappy_> without touching my keyboard
[15:05] <flaccid_> pam is already used in ubuntu and the sudo password is the user password and not the root one if thats what you are trying
[15:05] <rav> flaccid: no, i just used 'sudo modprobe b43'
[15:05] <flaccid_> !wireless | rav
[15:05] <flaccid_> its linked from there rav for your b43
[15:06] <cappy_> i downloaded Linux PAM and compiled it myself
[15:06] <flaccid_> why? if so perhaps you misconfigured it
[15:06] <cappy_> it was in
[15:06] <cappy_> policykit's deps
[15:06] <flaccid_> and why?
[15:07] <cappy_> policy kit was in HAL deps
[15:07] <cappy_> ;d
[15:07] <cappy_> and i couldn't install HAL From reps
[15:07] <flaccid_> hal also comes with kubuntu by default
[15:07] <cappy_> and i decided to compile latest version from tarballs
[15:07] <flaccid_> !ebter | cappy_
[15:07] <flaccid_> !enter | cappy_
[15:08] <cappy_> ok
[15:08] <flaccid_> yes it seems for no reason
[15:08] <cappy_> when i tried to install HAL with sudo apt-get install hal, it prints me error with --configure
[15:09] <omega_> need some help ... anyone? i need to instal rhide .... as a ubuntu beginner ... the problem is: the instaler asc for libstdc++2.10-glib2.2 ... i've installed libstdc++5 i guess so .... but the same shit ...
[15:10] <ubuntu> hi
[15:10] <ubuntu> i have cool brand new hookas for you
[15:11] <ubuntu> come on guys
[15:11] <ubuntu> fuck you
[15:11] <ubuntu> kill niggers
[15:11] <pim> !coc
[15:11] <flaccid_> !language | ubuntu
[15:11] <BluesKaj> !ops
[15:11] <stdin> BluesKaj: too late
[15:11] <flaccid_> cappy_: don't tell us an error, pastebin the error to show us
[15:12] <fksls> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5237868#post5237868 <-- someone please help me :/  Re: woke up, pc had shut down, help!!!!  X Server terminated unexpectedly
[15:12] <BluesKaj> right on stdin
[15:12] <flaccid_> !language | omega_
[15:12] <Dr_Willis> :)
[15:12] <stdin> omega_: we don't have that package, it's a (very) old version and we don't use it
[15:12] <cappy_> it doesnt matter the HAL
[15:12] <Dr_Willis> Kubuntu the 'clean' channel.
[15:12] <omega_> ok
[15:13] <omega_> one moment
[15:13] <cappy_> its about su, sudo etc.
[15:13] <flaccid_> cappy_: you broke it by something outside of kubuntu support scope it seems
[15:14] <cappy_> i will try to restart
[15:15] <Dr_Willis> !find PAM
[15:15] <Dr_Willis> wowsers. theres a lot of PAM things :)
[15:16] <omega_> i've got the binaries from here http://www.rhide.com/ ... i've opened the file ... and the package installer report "error: dependency is not satisfiable: libstdc++2.10-glib2.2" ...... after this .... i've .. "sudo apt-get install libstdc++5" ..... and all the old shit ....
[15:16] <flaccid_> considering the user did something unnecessary and hasn't advised why or what is trying to be achieved or even the config used for what was installed etc. its a bit crazy..
[15:16] <flaccid_> omega_: stop swearing!
[15:17] <Dr_Willis> Old stdc++ and other old libs can be a real problem.
[15:17] <stdin> omega_: 1) don't swear, 2) I told you already, we don't have that package
[15:17] <flaccid_> and omega_ stdin has already advised that is an old version which is not in ubuntu anymore
[15:18] <Dr_Willis> omega_,  it may be best if you recompiled from source.
[15:18] <omega_> thanx ..so what can i do for an c++ ide ...... recompiled what ?
[15:18] <omega_> rhide?
[15:18] <flaccid_> yeah or contact the 3rd party provider and complain
[15:20] <omega_> there is some ....  chanel for .ro users?
[15:20] <flaccid_> !ro
[15:20] <omega_> multam
[15:20] <elbasan> there is any way that I can make ChameleonMega digikam to work on my Kubuntu
[15:20] <_sourcemaker> I am using currently the remote desktop connection with kde.... but the graphic response is realy slow... what's wrong?
[15:21] <Icelab> hi
[15:22] <flaccid_> !hi
[15:22] <elbasan> any idea
[15:22] <Icelab> the question is the follow
[15:23] <Icelab> somebody can tell me if is ok that when i insert the pen drive on the desktop appare the icin of the pen and icon of floppy?
[15:23] <Dr_Willis> _sourcemaker,  the shared desktop stuff can be sluggish. disable fancy eyecandy, and wallpaper. and if you can reduce the # of colors or resolution of the desktop
[15:24] <_sourcemaker> Dr_Willis: I have already done...
[15:24] <Dr_Willis> Icelab,  You are worried about the icon?
[15:24] <Dr_Willis> Icelab,  you could customize the icon if you wanted to I guess. :)
[15:24] <Icelab> sorry for my english worried??
[15:24] <Dr_Willis> _sourcemaker,  i ten to keep vnc and a 'private' shared desktop that run a minimal window manager like jwm. I normally do NOT share the currently running desktop.
[15:25] <Dr_Willis> Icelab,  you dident really ask a question... Is it ok that you get an icon?  or is there some other issue?
[15:25] <elbasan> hey guys any idea for my digkam\
[15:25] <_sourcemaker> Dr_Willis: when i move the mouse... it takes a lot of time... until the screen repaint has been completed... Well... when I connect to an windows machine... the session is very fast... :-)
[15:26] <Dr_Willis> _sourcemaker,  there may be sime compression featres you could enable. I rarely use that feature.  Ive heard that FreeNX is speedier then vnc. but never use it.
[15:26] <Icelab> yes i have costomized but i think it is a bug because the icon of pen is diplaied but i don't understand because it is dispolaied the icon of floppy
[15:26] <thewhitepelican> I'm running kde 4.1 beta 1, through ubuntu under virtual box. I've made a discovery. When in kubuntu, I try to shut down and it drops me to the ubuntu sign in screen (I used GDM). When I go into Gnome, and shut down, it shuts down the guest like it's supposed to. I realize it's just a beta but will this be fixed soon?
[15:26] <flaccid_> !kde4 | thewhitepelican
[15:27] <_sourcemaker> !FreeNX
[15:27] <Schuenemann> hi
[15:27] <Dr_Willis> Icelab,  i doubt if its a problem as to what icon it shows. I think it tries to pick an icon depending on what sort of device it thinks the usb thing is.
[15:28] <thewhitepelican> ok, how do I easily get rid of 4.1 beta 1 and downgrade to 4.04?
[15:28] <flaccid_> thewhitepelican: this is not the place to ask
[15:28] <Dr_Willis> !kde4
[15:28] <Icelab> sorry doc, but i think that only the icon of pen drive must be displaied when i fix and not the iconn of floppy??
[15:29] <thewhitepelican> so where do I ask, flaccid_ ?
[15:29] <flaccid_> [15:30] <_sourcemaker> Dr_Willis: is there a difference between vnc and rdp?
[15:30] <jmichaelx> ubottu is actually out of date. it should say 4.0.5
[15:31] <jmichaelx> ubottu, i certainly don't
[15:31] <Schuenemann> what packages do I need to install for compiz?
[15:31] <flaccid_> stdin: can you update the factoid for kde4?
[15:32] <flaccid_> !compiz-fusion | Schuenemann
[15:32] <Dr_Willis> _sourcemaker,  i think so.. but i never use rdp. windows has rdp by default I belive. I only ever use vnc in all its 1000+ variations :)
[15:32] <_sourcemaker> Dr_Willis: ok... thanks
[15:32] <flaccid_> rdp and vnc totally different protocol
[15:32] <_sourcemaker> flaccid_: rdp is the windows one... right?
[15:32] <flaccid_> yeah and its on linux now too
[15:32] <Dr_Willis> I often have vnc set where it spawns a 'hidden'  desktop that runs my torrent client and a few other things I like to check on remotely
[15:33] <Schuenemann> flaccid_, thanks, I was looking for that
[15:33] <flaccid_> np
[15:33] <stdin> !kde4 | flaccid_
[15:33] <flaccid_> thanks stdin sir
[15:33] <stdin> :)
[15:33] <_sourcemaker> Dr_Willis: ok... and you are using the kde once.. or some other stuff light tightvnc...?
[15:33] <Jucato> pfft... stdin's too fast...
[15:33] <Dr_Willis> _sourcemaker,  i rarely if ever use the ones in kde or gnome. I tend to use vnc4server
[15:34] <Schuenemann> does that remix version of hardy come with KDE 4?
[15:34] <flaccid_> haha
[15:34] <Schuenemann> I mean, stable KDE 4
[15:34] <_sourcemaker> Dr_Willis: thanks... I wil try vnc4server
[15:34] <flaccid_> yep Schuenemann, well at least upgradeable to 4.0.5
[15:34] <Dr_Willis> _sourcemaker,  ages ago there was issues with some of the vnc server variants.. vnc4server worked :) so i use it
[15:35] <Schuenemann> flaccid_, but it's not KDE beta, right?
[15:35] <Schuenemann> or RC
[15:35] <_sourcemaker> Dr_Willis: is there performance better than the build in kde vnc?
[15:35] <flaccid_> Schuenemann: correct
[15:35] <flaccid_> we are waiting for 4.1 which is due um soon
[15:36] <Schuenemann> well, I guess I'll try the remix version then
[15:36] <Schuenemann> I'm still using gutsy
[15:36] <flaccid_> cool
[15:37] <Schuenemann> btw, since when shipit started sending only 1 CD?
[15:37] <Schuenemann> makes it harder to share with work or university colleagues
[15:37] <flaccid_> quite a while ago iirc
[15:38] <flaccid_> you don't have cd burners at uni?
[15:39] <flaccid_> Jucato: topic can be updated but :)
[15:39] <Schuenemann> yeah, those who use linux burn without any problem
[15:39] <Schuenemann> but windows people wouldn't
[15:39] <flaccid_> any decent operating system can burn an iso9660
[15:39] <Schuenemann> I brought the ISO there, almost nobody was interested :)
[15:40] <Schuenemann> it is easier to just share the pressed cd
[15:40] <flaccid_> yeah the usual story :o
[15:40] <Schuenemann> but I think many people were requesting the cd and never used
[15:40] <flaccid_> i find it quicker to burn then waiting a week or two at least for shipit
[15:40] <flaccid_> yeah lots of coasters
[15:40] <Schuenemann> me too
[15:40] <flaccid_> and its a quick release cycle too
[15:41] <Schuenemann> specially because there'll be a newer version a few months later
[15:41] <flaccid_> yep
[15:41] <flaccid_> i mean its all very accessible for those that actually want to give it a go
[15:42] <tappulii> hello, I got a problem with desktop wallpaper since updating to hardy. I only get dark blue colour as a background and no wallpaper at all. Could someone help me out?
[15:44] <flaccid_> tappulii: what happens when you change the wallpaper in configure desktop?
[15:44] <BluesKaj> heh, I burned 2 cds that were frisbees 'til i realized that the cd-r's were faulty , only 3 good ones out of 10.
[15:44] <_sourcemaker> it's there a configuration dialog to configure the special effects for kde?
[15:44] <_sourcemaker> to first startup dialog as command?
[15:44] <tappulii> flaccid_: nothing happens, the same dark blue color stays.
[15:44] <flaccid_> _sourcemaker: which effects and what do you mean 'first startup dialog ..
[15:45] <flaccid_> tappulii: weird. im not sure what the problem could be sorry
[15:45] <_sourcemaker> flaccid_: when I start kde the first time... without having a kde home dir... a screen appears to configure the speed and kde effects... memory usage...
[15:45] <Schuenemann> BluesKaj, for myself, I was use RW :-)
[15:45] <BluesKaj> don't buy Fuji
[15:45] <tappulii> flaccid_: too bad :(
[15:46] <Schuenemann> heh
[15:46] <BluesKaj> I use RW's as well , but some are permanent, like music for my car.
[15:46] <flaccid_> _sourcemaker: you want to get back to that program to change things?
[15:47] <_sourcemaker> flaccid_: right
[15:47] <Schuenemann> BluesKaj, don't it support USB?
[15:47] <lenea> i've got a problem mounting my drives. can anyone please help? i'm using kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 4
[15:47] <BluesKaj> my car cdplayer doesn't have a usb
[15:47] <Schuenemann> hmm
[15:47] <Schuenemann> talking about music, is there any site that sells music not in that stupid encrypted windows media player junk?
[15:47] <flaccid_> _sourcemaker: yep its a program, trying to remember the binary name hmm
[15:47] <flaccid_> !kde4 | lenea
[15:48] <flaccid_> Schuenemann: there are many, check google. beatport is pretty good if you like that music
[15:48] <AkariTakai> Can anyone help me with an unusual samba problem?
[15:49] <Schuenemann> flaccid_, all I've heard about sell an encrypted mp3 file
[15:52] <flaccid_> _sourcemaker: as per Jucato its kpersonalizer
[15:52] <_sourcemaker> flaccid_: great... thanks
[15:52] <flaccid_> np
[15:53]  * flaccid_ wishes they wouldn't use american spelling
[15:53] <Jucato> (he who codes, decides :P)
[15:53] <Schuenemann> flaccid_, nice site, but limited to that kind of music =/
[15:55] <flaccid_> Schuenemann: yeah but there should be some for more commercial music but i don't know where
[16:08] <ginjeet> Hi, I have some issues and need help. Anyone?
[16:09] <flaccid_> Jucato: can you confirm if 'Desktop Settings Wizard' is in your Settings folder in kmenu? i think there is a logical bug in kpersonalizer in that kubuntu doesn't include this shortcut as advised in the last step of kpersonalizer
[16:09] <flaccid_> !ask | ginjeet
[16:10] <Jucato> flaccid_: there usually isn't a "Settings" menu in Kubuntu. it's not a logical bug but more of a Kubuntu customization afaik
[16:10] <Jucato> also, kpersonalizer isn't installed by default I think (or last I checked KDE 3 last year)
[16:11] <flaccid_> Jucato: well the 'Advanced Desktop Effects Settings' goes in the settings menu
[16:11] <lenea> i've just installed xmms2. doesn't it have gui or why can't i find it under K-menu -> Multimedia??
[16:11] <flaccid_> !info kpersonalizer
[16:12] <Jucato> flaccid_: let me check. still might be a Kubuntu customization to remove it's entry from the menu...
[16:12] <ginjeet> My kubuntu updated to the newest kernel (i think 2.6.24.19) the sound started to be very laggy and after a restart the system cant find my sound card.
[16:12] <flaccid_> well if its included in default install or not the program references something which doesn't exist but should be in the kpersonalizer pkg
[16:12] <psyco> Anyone know how to fix the Black menus when Baghira and KDE are mixed?
[16:13] <Jucato> flaccid_: it's not the only app that does that. for example, a lot of Konqueror documentation/help would reference to menus that are not in Kubuntu's konqueror
[16:13] <Jucato> it's really going to be hard to keep track of all of that...
[16:13] <flaccid_> i see that as a useability issue
[16:14] <Jucato> flaccid_: btw.. Advanced Desktop Effects?
[16:14] <Schuenemann> lenea, how did you install it?
[16:15] <flaccid_> Jucato: actually thats not what i thought it was
[16:15] <lenea> Schuenemann : sudo apt-get install xmms2
[16:15] <flaccid_> Jucato: that seems to run ccsm, not sure what pkg that is from
[16:16] <Jucato> compiz
[16:16] <Jucato> so of course KDE/Kubuntu has nothing to do with that ;)
[16:16] <flaccid_> like i said its not what i thought it was
[16:17] <Schuenemann> lenea, it should be there... run xmms2 in konsole to see if it's ok
[16:17] <lenea> Schuenemann : it's ok. but i need it gui :D
[16:17] <flaccid_> Jucato: i will submit a bug
[16:17] <Jucato> flaccid_: to where?
[16:18] <Schuenemann> lenea, it has a gui when you run it, doesn't it?
[16:18] <flaccid_> launchpad
[16:18] <lenea> Schuenemann : nope, it's just text-mode
[16:18] <Jucato> flaccid_: um... what exactly is your bug though?
[16:19] <flaccid_> that there should be a menu entry
[16:19] <Schuenemann> lenea, was it package xmms? I have that one installed
[16:20] <Jucato> flaccid_: vanilla kde menu, there is. it was a kubuntu decision to remove it
[16:20] <ginjeet> My kubuntu updated to the newest kernel (i think 2.6.24.19) the sound started to be very laggy and after a restart the system cant find my sound card. Can someone please help?
[16:20] <lenea> Schuenemann : nope, it was xmms2
[16:21] <lenea> Schuenemann : i can't seem to find the package named xmms
[16:21] <flaccid_> Jucato: thats no good. then i guess the suggestion should be removed from kpersonalizer so it doesn't reference something non existant
[16:21] <Jucato> (that's even worse)
[16:22] <flaccid_> well this is the nature of quality control
[16:22] <Jucato> ginjeet: does your sound work better if you boot into the former kernel you used?
[16:22] <ginjeet> I havent tried.
[16:23] <ginjeet> I have that option in grub?
[16:23] <Jucato> flaccid_: sure. but you might as well file a bug for every piece of KDE upstream/vanilla documentation that makes references to things the Kubuntu might have removed or changed
[16:23] <flaccid_> the user doesn't care about the technicalities here, only that what they were asked does not exist...
[16:23] <flaccid_> Jucato: so be it, if i need to prove a point..
[16:24] <Jucato> (does "the user" know about kpersonalizer in the first place? if yes, then he would know how to run it as well)
[16:24] <ginjeet> Jucato: ill check the other kernel and come back
[16:24] <Jucato> anyway, file away. I'm not going to stop you
[16:25] <flaccid_> Jucato: yes and if you create a new user with no profile it will pop up on first logon. is it so hard for the kde and kubuntu to talk about this issue and work out a solution, shouldnt be...
[16:25] <flaccid_> +people
[16:26] <Schuenemann> !compiz-fusion
[16:27] <flaccid_> Jucato: where else is stuff like this hard-coded?
[16:27] <Jucato>  <Jucato> flaccid_: sure. but you might as well file a bug for every piece of KDE upstream/vanilla documentation that makes references to things the Kubuntu might have removed or changed
[16:27] <ginjeet> Jucato: no sound in prevous kernel
[16:28] <flaccid_> you said recently that kubuntu doesn't mod much
[16:28] <Jucato> excuse me?
[16:28] <flaccid_> Jucato: specifically what?
[16:28]  * Jucato wonders where or when he said that
[16:28] <flaccid_> i guess you don't recall that conversation
[16:28] <Schuenemann> I tried running 'compiz --replace' and I got a black screen and then weird stuff happened (like frozen task bar, no title bar and no keyboard). This is the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/22138/
[16:28] <Jucato> if you do, please paste my exact words. I will need to correct myself then
[16:29] <Jucato> (or kick myself in the butt for making such a blatant misstatement)
[16:31] <flaccid_> it would take me a long time to find Jucato
[16:31] <flaccid_> we were talking about differences between kde trunk and kubuntu
[16:32] <Schuenemann> Checking for Xgl: not present. --> err... what package do I need? xserver-xgl?
[16:32] <Jucato> flaccid_: trunk is KDE 4... we're referring to changes in KDE 3 in here
[16:32] <Jucato> *huge* difference in situations
[16:32] <flaccid_> does Kubuntu have documentation on their modifcations for packaging etc. ?
[16:33] <flaccid_> Jucato: true, then you must have been referring to kde4 although my question at the time was general and not specific to kde4
[16:33] <darkdelusions_> ok irssi and putty do not mix well together :)
[16:33] <flaccid_> Schuenemann: yeah
[16:34] <flaccid_> i think its important that kubuntu documents its modifcations and strategies here for useability and quality purposes
[16:34] <flaccid_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/242145
[16:34] <ginjeet> gosh.
[16:38] <flaccid_> im crashin
[16:57] <zaku-> can some one help me out a bit please
[16:58] <Schuenemann> !ask | zaku-
[16:58] <eagles0513875> has anyone ever migrated the data on an active directory server to an ldap server
[16:59] <zaku-> theres 1 hard disk on this computer that has windows installed on it, and the windows wont open anymore, at the moment im using kubuntu live cd to access on computer but i can't access on the hard disk
[16:59] <stdin> !ntfs | zaku-
[17:00] <zaku-> thanks :D
[17:00] <eagles0513875> stdin: still have yet to find someone to respond to my ldap question lol
[17:01] <stdin> eagles0513875: have you tried the forum yet?
[17:01] <eagles0513875> stdin: im in no big hurry i can ask the teacher of my linux cert course
[17:01] <eagles0513875> this is for my new job possibly and i dont start that until tuesday
[17:02] <candive> !ldap
[17:03] <eagles0513875> candive: i know about that but i am wanting to know if its possible to migrate everything that is on a windows active dir server to an ldap server
[17:03] <stdin> eagles0513875: linuxquestions.org it usually a good place to look, it's got quite an extensive archive now
[17:03] <eagles0513875> stdin: kooll thanks
[17:03] <candive> stdin, just checking for myself sorry
[17:04] <eagles0513875> candive: there is a possibility that my college might migrate to ldap
[17:04] <candive> stdin, I'm new
[17:05] <clau30> hi. I have a problem with usb pen drives. mount sais: UDF-fs: No VRS found ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format.
[17:05] <eagles0513875> candive: welcome to the best distro on earth lol
[17:05] <eagles0513875> stdin: im slowly managing to convert my school from winblows to linux
[17:05] <clau30> it happenes on 2 different drives, one I tried to reformat, repartition etc w/o any luck..
[17:06] <igor_> kdenlive doen't export timeline in medium quality formats (when I select that tab button "expor" gets disabled)
[17:06] <candive> I am in love with ubuntu
[17:06] <candive> all of them
[17:07] <PhilRod> clau30: sounds like you're using the wrong filesystem type. Have you tried other types? (mount -t fstype)
[17:07] <candive> Keep up the Great work everyone, chow
[17:08] <clau30> PhilRod: ah, found a solution
[17:08] <Pollywog> does the bootlogger still work in Ubuntus?
[17:08] <Pollywog> I can't seem to get it to log
[17:09] <clau30> there was an entry in /etc/fstab for the cdrom
[17:09] <Pollywog> I have it set to yes in /etc/default/bootlogd
[17:09] <Pollywog> in Gutsy
[17:09] <Seren__> I got an issue with kate : I select UTF-8 when saving a file, and when I use the file command, it says that my file is actually iso 8859.
[17:09] <Seren__> is kate wrong ? or file result ?
[17:11] <Pollywog> this boot error started today after I upgraded some kernel stuff
[17:11] <Pollywog> to 2.6.24-19
[17:12] <Pollywog> maybe doing that was a mistake
[17:17] <Schuenemann> is there any tutorial explaining the basics of kernel recompilation?
[17:18] <jussi01> !kernel
[17:18] <jussi01> Schuenemann: ^^^^
[17:19] <Schuenemann> jussi01, is it easy to follow? no advanced knowlegde required?
[17:19] <jussi01> Schuenemann: why dont you have a read and find out?
[17:19] <jussi01> ;)
[17:20] <Schuenemann> jussi01, afraid to mess something up :p
[17:20] <Schuenemann> but I'll take a look
[17:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> Reasons for NOT compiling a custom kernel:
[17:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> You have no idea what you are doing, and if you break something, you'll need help fixing it. Depending on what you do wrong, you might end up having to reinstall your system from scratch.
[17:21] <Jucato> Schuenemann: compiling a kernel doesn't mean you have to remove a previously working and installed kernel... in fact it is always recommended not to do that
[17:21] <Jucato> so even if you mess something up, the worst that could happen is you reboot again and again
[17:21] <Schuenemann> hmm... so I can have more than one at the same time
[17:21] <Jucato> (not counting hardware problems of course)
[17:22] <Schuenemann> I mean I can swap them
[17:22] <Jucato> sure. that's actually what happens when you "upgrade" to a new kernel
[17:22] <Jucato> a new kernel is installed, the old one isn't removed, and a new entry is added to menu.lst
[17:22] <Schuenemann> nice
[17:23] <Schuenemann> I wanted to remove unused stuff I don't use
[17:23] <Jucato> you only have to remove a kernel if and only if (hm.... that would be <-> in logic) you are absolutely sure you don't need it, even for failsafe/backup purposes
[17:23] <ubuntu> salut
[17:23] <ubuntu> il y'a qlq
[17:23] <Schuenemann> alright
[17:23] <eagles0513875> !fr | ubuntu
[17:23] <Schuenemann> Jucato, does it take a long time to compile? like hours?
[17:23] <eagles0513875> thats dependent on the processor
[17:23] <Jucato> hm... depends on how much features you put into the kernel. there is no standard time afaik
[17:24] <eagles0513875> Jucato: what bout processor
[17:24] <Schuenemann> that too
[17:24] <Jucato> eagles0513875: of course that factors in as well (but that's obvious isn't it?)
[17:24] <Schuenemann> I would remove notebook stuff, for example
[17:24] <eagles0513875> i want to do like schuenemann is doing but i dont know where to start
[17:25] <eagles0513875> since i have this on a laptop i want to remove the desktop stuff
[17:25] <Schuenemann> use that link that was just pasted
[17:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> Jucato: <-> or iff
[17:25] <eagles0513875> which one lol
[17:25] <Schuenemann> then tell me if you did so I can do too :p
[17:25] <Schuenemann> [13:18:20] <ubottu> The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - See also: /msg ubottu stages
[17:25] <Jucato> Daisuke_Laptop: the book we have for class uses symbols more than abbrv's
[17:26] <eagles0513875> thanks kinda funny i am actually goign to mess with the server kernel source to do this
[17:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> Jucato: discrete mathematics & logic?
[17:26] <Jucato> hm.. there's another nice guide, but not oriented towards ubuntu.. hold on
[17:26] <Jucato> Daisuke_Laptop: Discrete Structures in Computer Science :P </offtopic>
[17:27] <Jucato> this really helped me in my first kernel compiling: http://www.kroah.com/lkn/
[17:27]  * Jucato still has to update his kernel... makes mental note
[17:27] <eagles0513875> Jucato: already know about that im also going to be learning about it as part 2 of my certification
[17:44] <mefisto__> is there a way to find hardware info about my ram?
[17:45] <pim> Yes
[17:46] <pim> sudo lshw will give you system information
[17:49] <mefisto__> is it normal that you get no product and vendor info for ram?
[17:52] <Schuenemann> mefisto__, I don't get either
[17:55] <herbert> hello
[17:55] <herbert> does it really work ?
[17:55] <Schuenemann> Jucato, did you recompile yours?
[17:58] <herbert> excuse me : if someone could say "hello Herbert" I'd sure that it works (please)
[17:58] <eagles0513875> hey
[17:58] <Schuenemann> yes, it workds
[17:58] <Schuenemann> works*
[17:59] <mefisto__> what I really want to do is know whether a system had DDR or DDR2 ram installed. can I find out without opening the case?
[17:59] <tzd> anyone with vmware and kubuntu hardy that knows why my sound won't work on guest os winXp please?
[17:59] <herbert> thank you Schuenemann
[18:00]  * pim is away: Is voor nu afwezig.
[18:00] <martosurf> hi, recently downloaded openSUSE 11 kd4... impressive GFX and glitchy as ever!! being new to linux -altough i tried *lot* of distros i'm keep returning to Ubuntu, it rocks! well, in fact after slowreading the KDE4 project page I want to give it a try
[18:00] <Schuenemann> mefisto__, hmmm... I think that depends on the motherboard. My last one outputted DDR and this one doesn't
[18:01] <Schuenemann> mefisto__, doesn't 'sudo lshw | grep DDR' output anything?
[18:01] <eljefe> is openssh-server available with the standard, post-install repos ?
[18:01] <martosurf> being an 'ex' gnomer KDE4 is a brand new world, what I just want to know is if Kubuntu ports stealthed by default, actually Ubuntu have them closed only
[18:02] <mefisto__> Schuenemann: no, nothing
[18:02] <martosurf> 'are stealthed' i mean :P
[18:04] <elbasan> hey guys any idea how to make a digkam to work on kubuntu
[18:05] <martosurf> [elbasan] what's you're problem
[18:05] <elbasan> i have a chameleonmega digkam but i can not make to work on my kubuntu and I am new on linux
[18:06] <lascar> how do i enable 7z support?
[18:06] <martosurf> elbasan: did you try with a generic driver?
[18:07] <elbasan> I have a CD but it is for XP
[18:07] <martosurf> elbasan: also you may check manufacterer's website for linux drivers
[18:07] <elbasan> the fany is that i can find their web site
[18:08] <martosurf> elbasan: lol xD
[18:08] <eljefe> is openssh-server available with the standard, post-install repos ?
[18:09] <mefisto__> lascar: do you have p7zip-full installed?
[18:10] <lascar> no
[18:10] <lascar> thanx
[18:13] <martosurf> elbasan: try launching adept and see if your cammera is supported, if so you need just to download the needed package
[18:14] <elbasan> I installed wine that runs windows applications on linux
[18:15] <elbasan> maybe I can install driver for the camera
[18:15] <cmdrtebok> hey how do i go about making firefox the default browser?
[18:16] <elbasan> what do you think martosurf
[18:16] <eagles0513875> u talking bout winblows elbasan
[18:16] <eagles0513875> winblows and msft
[18:17] <elbasan> no if you go to system settings-advanced tab-- windows applications
[18:18] <martosurf> elbasan: yeah, good point try and go ahead
[18:18] <elbasan> i installed Wine but then what
[18:18] <martosurf> elbasan: wine is known to suppert several kernel-deep drivers like DVD-RegionFree and others, so it might work
[18:19] <martosurf> elbasan: run cammera driver installer
[18:19] <elbasan> i dont know how to use
[18:19] <martosurf> elbasan: you don't need to use nothing, wine installas a layer topmost your linux so windows apps actually thinks they're running on windows
[18:20] <elbasan> I run .exe file from the CD that came with the camera and it finish installing but where is
[18:20] <Accidus> I'm having problem with audio. It used to work, but then I installed Skype. Once installed, audio worked, but the mic didn't. Now audio doesn't work either. I can't say for sure that Skype caused it, but it may have been the cause. I'm running Kubuntu Hardy...
[18:21] <elbasan> how I know it is working
[18:21] <martosurf> elbasan: did you try running any cammera supported application? please take a look if cammera is now supported on any linux app
[18:21] <Accidus> I've tried reconfiguring using the system menu and the kmix app
[18:21] <Accidus> None work.
[18:22] <lascar> Accidus: No sound system-wide, or just Skype?
[18:22] <elbasan> I tryed on digkam-- add new camera but i can see my camera name from the list
[18:22] <Accidus> system wide
[18:22] <elbasan> and I click autodetect but nothink
[18:23] <lascar> accidus: you're not using a notebook, are you?
[18:23] <Accidus> Nope, table PC
[18:23] <martosurf> elbasan: can't help, don't know to do pal, sorry =(
[18:23] <elbasan> thanks
[18:23] <Accidus> Another thing, in the Sound System dialog, when I change the settings and click "apply", it says it tries to restart the sound system
[18:23] <Accidus> There's a percentage bar appearing
[18:24] <lascar> and it hangs?
[18:24] <Accidus> and whenever it gets to 100%, it zeros again
[18:24] <eagles0513875> Accidus: outa curiosity what kinda tablet pc is it
[18:24] <Accidus> not tablet
[18:24] <Accidus> Table
[18:24] <Accidus> You know
[18:24] <lascar> desktop.
[18:24] <Accidus> The usual
[18:24] <eagles0513875> desktop
[18:24] <Accidus> yes
[18:24] <eagles0513875> lol
[18:24] <Accidus> :-)
[18:24] <eagles0513875> lol whoops
[18:24] <Accidus> Sorry about that
[18:24] <eagles0513875> its ok
[18:24] <Accidus> Language difference
[18:24] <Accidus> :-)
[18:24] <Accidus> Anyway, the weird thing about the percentage bar is that it slows down
[18:25] <Accidus> The first time it goes from 0% to 100% quite quickly
[18:25] <lascar> accidus: what did you do in kmix?
[18:25] <Accidus> Then it do it again, more slowly
[18:25] <Accidus> Then slower yet, etc.
[18:25] <Accidus> I thought maybe things were muted or whatever
[18:25] <Accidus> So I toggled the mute buttons on and off
[18:25] <tekstacy> !apt-fix
[18:26] <Accidus> ubottu: was that aimed at me?
[18:26] <lascar> elbasan: what's your problem?
[18:26] <Accidus> Oops
[18:26] <Accidus> lol
[18:26] <Accidus> What an impression I must be making
[18:26] <tekstacy> :)
[18:27] <lascar> :-)
[18:27] <eagles0513875> Accidus: lol its funny seeing people talk to the bot
[18:27] <Accidus> For my case it can be argued that I'm after a full day at work
[18:27] <Accidus> So I'm allowed some slack, right? :-)
[18:27] <elbasan> lascar I have a digkam but it is not working on my kubuntu
[18:27] <elbasan> and I am new with that
[18:28] <eagles0513875> Accidus: you new to kubuntu and the world of linux
[18:28] <lascar> elbasan: detected?
[18:28] <elbasan> not
[18:28] <Accidus> Well... I've had a linux os 5 years ago in uni, but I can't say I was a specialist even then
[18:28] <Accidus> Recently I switched again
[18:28] <Accidus> So you could say I'm a newbie to Linux
[18:28] <eagles0513875> im actually working on my first level of certification
[18:29] <Accidus> Certification to what?
[18:29] <elbasan> lascar any idea
[18:29] <eagles0513875> Accidus: linux certification from linux professional institute lpi.org
[18:29] <kumamoto> could be lpic
[18:29] <eagles0513875> kumamoto: yes it is
[18:29] <kumamoto> too late
[18:30] <lascar> elbasan: has kubuntu detected it?
[18:30] <elbasan> no
[18:30] <Accidus> Ah. Good luck! Wish I knew that much...
[18:30] <eagles0513875> its worth doing em i think
[18:30] <elbasan> I go to digkam add new kam. i dont see my camera name on the list
[18:30] <lascar> elbasan: "kdesu kcontrol" in konsole.
[18:30] <kumamoto> i hear if you have played with ubuntu or it variants you can actually pass LPIC I with no issue
[18:30] <eagles0513875> im doing part 2 of the first level of certification going to learn bout securit networking customizing the kernel apache sendmail and a bunch of other stuff
[18:31] <elbasan> O boy what i have to do lascar
[18:31] <Accidus> So... Any idea what I can do in order to fix the problem? Or at least diagnoze it better?
[18:31] <lascar> elbasan: under Peripherals
[18:31] <eagles0513875> kumamoto: actually seems like the exam focuses on rpm based distros like centos more then kubuntu
[18:31] <lascar> go to Digital Camera
[18:32] <elbasan> wher is
[18:32] <kumamoto> man then I am way behind the new LPIC at first it was more debian oriented
[18:32] <kumamoto> see what i know
[18:32] <lascar> elbasan: take your time, "Peripherals" is the fifth listed item from the top.
[18:33] <lascar> elbasan: and "Digital Camera" is just underneath it
[18:34] <elbasan> under system
[18:34] <elbasan> on the K menu
[18:34] <eagles0513875> kumamoto: its both but more focused on rpm based distros
[18:34] <lascar> elbasan: go to k menu
[18:34] <eagles0513875> they do mention dpkg and stuff like that and other debian based features but focus more on rpms based distros
[18:34] <elbasan> ok
[18:34] <lascar> elbasan: then run command
[18:34] <elbasan> ok
[18:35] <lascar> type in "kdesu kcontrol"
[18:35] <lascar> (withouth the quotes)
[18:35] <kumamoto> good to know
[18:35] <kumamoto> was working to get my RHCE
[18:35] <elbasan> ok
[18:35] <kumamoto> and some LPIC before end of this year at least
[18:35] <elbasan> I ma on digital kamera
[18:36] <elbasan> nothing
[18:36] <lascar> add camera
[18:36] <elbasan> ok
[18:36] <elbasan> it's not on the list
[18:36] <elbasan> I have a largan chameleonmega
[18:37] <lascar> hmm...google it?
[18:37] <lascar> sorry i can't help further, elbasan.
[18:37] <elbasan> thanks man
[18:38] <Accidus> Hmm... Any ideas what could be causing the problem?
[18:38] <eagles0513875> kumamoto: if u do lpi ull be well versed in rpm based distros
[18:38] <Accidus> Or at least, what can I do to find out what's causing it?
[18:38] <elbasan> what do you think can wine that runs windows applications run my camera
[18:38] <elbasan> lascar
[18:39]  * pim is back.
[18:39] <lascar> elbasan: from my wine-ing experience, i'm gonna say, "it's a tossup."
[18:39] <kumamoto> I guess I concerntrate on rpm --verify <some package> instead of dpkg -i --configure -a
[18:39] <lascar> elbasan: search for the web for a native solution first.
[18:39] <elbasan> ok thanks man
[18:40] <kumamoto> so yum packaging is included ?
[18:41] <Accidus> Anyone?
[18:41] <eagles0513875> kumamoto: yep part one is heaviest part of exam is cli stuff
[18:41] <eagles0513875> just start part 2 on friday
[18:41] <eagles0513875> !patience | Accidus
[18:42] <Accidus> Of course, sorry :-|
[18:42] <kumamoto> multiple choice or all practical?
[18:42] <eagles0513875> fill in blanks multiple choice
[18:42] <eagles0513875> Accidus: you will get used to it in here
[18:42] <lascar> (indeed, Accidus)
[18:43] <tinin> Hi, I'd like to buy a tabletpc, how do I know if the touch screen will work with kubuntu?
[18:43] <lascar> (you don't) ;-)
[18:43] <Accidus> I hope, only as an assiter, not assistee :)
[18:54] <kumamoto> anyone played with the new wine-1.0
[18:55] <eagles0513875> i wanna
[18:55] <eagles0513875> lol
[18:55] <alan__> is it good?
[18:55] <alan__> Any new game supported?
[18:56] <kumamoto> I haven't tried it, I was going to upgrade my workstation at work and see if I can install a game
[18:57] <kumamoto> wait..... isn't there a app for installing windows games in linux
[18:57] <kumamoto> I forget the name
[18:57] <pim> Of course not. It was in a code-freeze until 1.0
[18:57] <partylib> hi
[18:57] <partylib>  hi is thier  a way to get ubuntu to log on to a active directory domain
[18:58] <eagles0513875> partylib: i think its ldap you need im not sure
[18:58] <partylib> oh
[18:59] <eagles0513875> !ldap
[19:00] <kumamoto> come to think of it , what would be the proper use of LDAP
[19:02] <FSHero> hello everyone; How would I go about compiling the rt2570 module for my wireless NIC using module assistant?
[19:03] <eagles0513875> kumamoto: its the linux cersion of active directory
[19:04] <kumamoto> forgive my ignorance what is active directory used for?
[19:04] <kumamoto> I haven't used windows since WIN98 I wouldn't have a clue
[19:04] <eagles0513875> kumamoto: domains i think
[19:04] <eagles0513875> \join #windows
[19:04] <kumamoto> oh hells no
[19:04] <kumamoto> lol
[19:05] <eagles0513875> wasnt saying u i wanted to join
[19:05] <eagles0513875> kumamoto: back
[19:06] <FSHero> In Hardy Heron, the font in Konsole looks a bit unclear... is it anti-aliased?
[19:06] <eagles0513875> kumamoto: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Directory
[19:06] <kumamoto> now I will have do some research on LDAP and see if I can use it in the mean time try to build a uber NAS server that will be running freeNAS
[19:06] <eagles0513875> kumamoto: you trying to back up windows machines
[19:06] <eagles0513875> server that is
[19:07] <Lenaud01> there any software that can do incremental backups on a remote webserver ?
[19:07] <kumamoto> I don't have single windows machine in my house
[19:07] <kumamoto> Lenaud01: Backula
[19:08] <kumamoto> or it is Bakula
[19:09] <Accidus> Thanks for that guildelines page. I've been in support forums for quite some time (only not on Linux, obviously :-)) and it sums it up nicely :-)
[19:09] <Lenaud01> I dont use windows at all either
[19:09] <Lenaud01> use too
[19:09] <Lenaud01> installing Bacula thakns
[19:09] <eagles0513875> kumamoto: i only have to play games
[19:10] <eagles0513875> my desktop i was using wine and i was able to play games
[19:10] <kumamoto> Lenaud01: I haven't used it in that way but make sure it has that feature before installing it
[19:10] <eagles0513875> would lov to open a business to port games to linux for the manufacturers
[19:10] <eagles0513875> im actually in the process of converting my college ovr to linux
[19:10] <kumamoto> eagles0513875: games I used cedega
[19:10] <eagles0513875> they might start by switching to an ldap server
[19:10] <eagles0513875> kumamoto: to cheap to pay
[19:11] <kumamoto> eagles0513875: me too, here comes usenet
[19:11] <eagles0513875> lol
[19:11] <eagles0513875> ur tempting me
[19:11] <eagles0513875> *your
[19:11] <eagles0513875> kumamoto: one thing i need to crack is the rar file of crossover that i have
[19:11] <eagles0513875> its got a password on it
[19:11] <kumamoto> eagles0513875: I used it at work since we got bandwidth on steriods
[19:12] <eagles0513875> lol
[19:12] <eagles0513875> dont get me started bout that my isp is crud
[19:12] <kumamoto> there is a password cracking tool can use
[19:12] <kumamoto> check your install software on your start menu
[19:13] <kumamoto> forget the name
[19:13] <eagles0513875> kumamoto: whats it called lol
[19:13] <kumamoto> gimme a sec see if I find it
[19:13] <kumamoto> oooo ...  ophcrack
[19:13] <kumamoto> something to that effect
[19:14] <eagles0513875> kumamoto: ya i need to get that off the server at work tomorrow lol
[19:14] <kumamoto> I don't know if 'John the Ripper' can do that for you since it most check /etc/passwd file
[19:14] <eagles0513875> can it crack files
[19:15] <eagles0513875> this is an encrypted rar file
[19:15] <kumamoto> ah .... didn't get that encrypted part
[19:15] <Accidus> I'll ask again, here's the full summary: I've recently installed Kubuntu on a *desktop* PC (:-)) and my audio was working nicely. Last week I've installed Skype. I've tried using it, and it said "Problem with audio playback". At that point, my audio was still working, but not the mic. Several days later (perhaps one day? don't remember) my audio stopped working as well. I've trying the "sound system" configuration menu and the kmix
[19:15] <Accidus> application, but couldn't make it work. In addition, when I restart the sound system, it restarts itself continuously, so there may be some problem there. Where do I go from here? Need more diagnosis? I'm new to Linux, but I'm very willing, and able, to learn. Sorry for the long message...
[19:15] <kumamoto> man
[19:15] <NiKeCRu666> hello
[19:16] <kumamoto> you know if it is pgp or gnupg
[19:16] <eagles0513875> kumamoto: later dude
[19:16] <kumamoto> or any other one
[19:16] <eagles0513875> off to watch the italy spain match
[19:16] <kumamoto> ok man
[19:16] <eagles0513875> VIVA ITALIA
[19:16]  * Accidus wonders if he's bough some life-long enemies.
[19:16] <kumamoto> ah soccer I miss it
[19:16] <NiKeCRu666> does someone know how can i mount my mo3 player SANSA CLIP 2GB in kubuntu, when i conect it it does not appear on my desktop
[19:16] <kumamoto> don't like watching but love playing
[19:16] <NiKeCRu666> mp3*
[19:17] <kumamoto> NiKeCRu666: lsusb
[19:17] <NiKeCRu666> lsusb?
[19:17] <kumamoto> check if it is listed using lsusb command
[19:18] <kumamoto> ubotu
[19:18] <kumamoto> ubottu
[19:18] <eagles0513875> kumamoto: bot
[19:18] <eagles0513875> !ubottu
[19:18] <NiKeCRu666> ok :)
[19:18] <kumamoto> forgot how to use ubotu
[19:18] <eagles0513875> that sounds like fun picking and searching his brain
[19:18] <eagles0513875> ! is the key there
[19:19] <kumamoto> is it '/ubottu' '/ubotu' damn
[19:19] <NiKeCRu666> kumamoto, no it's not listed there
[19:19] <kumamoto> NiKeCRu666: does it have to powered up
[19:19] <eagles0513875> lol whoops
[19:19] <kumamoto> the or uses the usb connector for power
[19:20] <NiKeCRu666> kumamoto, yea too
[19:20] <eagles0513875> kumamoto: its '!ubottu'
[19:20] <mefisto__> Accidus: do you have more than one soundcard?
[19:20] <Accidus> Nope
[19:20] <kumamoto> eagles0513875: thx that is what I looking for
[19:20] <Accidus> It's an onboard card
[19:20] <Accidus> If I recall correctly
[19:21] <kumamoto> NiKeCRu666: remove it and reconnect after .... say 10 secs
[19:21] <eagles0513875> kumamoto: im pumped about part 2 of first level of lpi cert
[19:21] <eagles0513875> learning about apache send mail iptables tons of kool stuff customizing kernel and compiling it
[19:21] <NiKeCRu666> kumamoto, it's a sansa clip 2GB, it's supposed that it takes energy from laptop to recharge internal battery
[19:21] <kumamoto> if not reboot your box and see if usb is actually enabled in the bios assuming your connecting to the onboard usb port
[19:22] <kumamoto> it is a laptop
[19:22] <eagles0513875> kumamoto: y doesnt he run lsusb to see if its even being seen
[19:22] <eagles0513875> or mounted by default
[19:22] <NiKeCRu666> it's not =/
[19:22] <kumamoto> lsusb doesn't see it
[19:22] <eagles0513875> NiKeCRu666: is it showing up in /dev
[19:22] <eagles0513875> wait not in ther
[19:22] <eagles0513875> in /media
[19:24] <NiKeCRu666> uhmn i'll se i think it's not
[19:24] <kumamoto> what about dmesg or fdisk
[19:24] <NiKeCRu666> nope it's not in /media
[19:25] <NiKeCRu666> kumamoto, dmesg? sorry i'm a new user of kubuntu
[19:25] <kumamoto> reboot your laptop with the SANSA clip connected
[19:25] <NiKeCRu666> ok
[19:25] <NiKeCRu666> i'll be back =)
[19:26] <kumamoto> make sure your bios has usb enabled
[19:26] <NiKeCRu666> but i have a USB hard disk connected now and it's listed in /media
[19:27] <NiKeCRu666> and it's listed when i put the comand lsusb
[19:27] <kumamoto> man u sure that clip actually works
[19:27] <kumamoto> just asking
[19:27] <NiKeCRu666> yeah
[19:27] <NiKeCRu666> hahaha of course it works
[19:27] <kumamoto> ok
[19:27] <NiKeCRu666> actually when i conect in the other computer with windows it works
[19:28] <NiKeCRu666> and i can add songs and everything
[19:28] <kumamoto> I take the other usb drive is sucking all the power from the other usb thus ... making the SANSA clip inept
[19:29] <NiKeCRu666> oh ok, i pluuged in my SANSA CLIP and it's turned on, and says conected, but it's not listed in my laptop
[19:29] <spyke> hi all - anyone here know a lot about hdd's and partitioning? I have a hard drive that WAS formatted with 2 partitions, one fat32 the other reiserfs, I reformatted with gparted to one ext3 instead, no error messages, until I try to mount it in the Disks & Filesystems:
[19:29] <spyke> The system reported: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb,
[19:29] <spyke> missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[19:29] <NiKeCRu666> and my SANSA clip is not charging, it getting discharged =/
[19:29] <kumamoto> see the other is sucking the power
[19:30] <NiKeCRu666> ok i'll unpplug the other device =)
[19:30] <NiKeCRu666> ok done
[19:30] <NiKeCRu666> same
[19:30] <kumamoto> spyke: sudo mount -t <filesystem> /dev/hdx /mnt/point
[19:30] <kumamoto> something to that effect
[19:30] <NiKeCRu666> kumamoto, same still not working
[19:30] <NiKeCRu666> kumamoto, still discharging
[19:31] <NiKeCRu666> kumamoto, still unrecognized
[19:31] <kumamoto>  so sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hdd1 /media/newdrive
[19:31] <kumamoto> spyke: does fdisk show all partitions
[19:31] <NiKeCRu666> ok
[19:31] <NiKeCRu666> i'll try that
[19:31] <spyke> kumamoto: I get the same error message as in Disks & filesystems
[19:31] <NiKeCRu666> kumamoto, is that for me? ---> sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hdd1 /media/newdrive
[19:32] <el1te> hey all i was in here early in the am today and i asked about using kubuntu 8.04 kde remix live cd with btaudio module....someone said it dont work with kubuntu...anyone know if this is true
[19:32] <kumamoto> NiKeCRu666:  no
[19:32] <NiKeCRu666> ok
[19:32] <spyke> fdisk: unable to open /dev/sdb
[19:32] <NiKeCRu666> i'll try rebooting my computer with the sansa clip plugged in
[19:32] <NiKeCRu666> brb
[19:32] <kumamoto> spyke: what is the numerical value of the ext3 partition /dev/sdbx what is x
[19:32] <spyke> kumamoto: fdisk: unable to open /dev/sdb
[19:33] <spyke> kumamoto: just sdb - there's one primary partition on it
[19:33] <spyke> kumamoto: no number
[19:33] <kumamoto> have your formatted it in ext3 as far as you know
[19:33] <kumamoto> there has to be number
[19:34] <spyke> kumamoto: maybe that's the problem?? I've formatted it in both ext2, ext3 and rejserfs with the same results
[19:34] <kumamoto> if that is the only partition then the number is 1
[19:35] <spyke> kumamoto: there is no number - maybe I gparted it wrong? I just deleted all the partitions on it and created one big new partition, result: /dev/sdb
[19:35] <kumamoto> ext3 formatting use this command mke2fs -j /dev/sdb1 if that doesn't work go into fdisk and recreate the partition
[19:36] <spyke> kumamoto: mke2fs: invalid blocks count - /dev/sdb1
[19:36] <kumamoto> ok what is the result of fdisk /dev/sdb
[19:37] <spyke> Unable to open /dev/sdb
[19:37] <NiKeCRu666> kumamoto, ok it's working now my SANSA CLIP 2GB
[19:37] <kumamoto> NiKeCRu666: nice
[19:37] <kumamoto> hope it is charging now
[19:38] <spyke> kumamoto: maybe sudo fdisk /dev/sdb ? THat gives me a result...
[19:38] <NiKeCRu666> yup, it's charging now, but i think if i unpplug it and then plug it again it will not work
[19:38] <spyke> The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 9729
[19:38] <spyke> There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,and could in certain setups cause problems with:
[19:38] <spyke> 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO)
[19:39] <spyke> 2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs   (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)
[19:39] <spyke> kumamoto: and how I have the "Command" promp in fdisk
[19:39] <spyke> not sure what do do now ;)
[19:40] <kumamoto> pull up konsole
[19:40] <spyke> yes?
[19:40] <kumamoto> do a sudo -i
[19:40] <kumamoto> and enter your password
[19:40] <spyke> done
[19:41] <kumamoto> no sudo this time
[19:41] <kumamoto> fdisk /dev/sdb
[19:41] <kumamoto> then use 'p'
[19:41] <spyke> Disk /dev/sdb: 80.0 GB, 80026361856 bytes
[19:41] <spyke> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9729 cylinders
[19:41] <kumamoto> good
[19:42] <spyke> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[19:42] <spyke> Disk identifier: 0xd990d990
[19:42] <spyke> then: /dev/sdb1               1        9729    78148161   83  Linux
[19:42] <spyke> that's all
[19:43] <kumamoto> ok
[19:43] <kumamoto> hit 'd'
[19:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> !paste
[19:43] <kumamoto> forgot to tell you to use pastebin
[19:43] <kumamoto> for the full output
[19:43] <spyke> kumamoto: selected partition 1
[19:43] <kumamoto> yes
[19:44] <spyke> sorry - i'll do pastebin next time
[19:44] <NiKeCRu666> kumamoto, ok it's working now my SANSA CLIP 2GB, but i think if i unplug it and then i plug it again it stop working and is not recongnized
[19:44] <kumamoto> hit 'p' to verify the partition is clear
[19:44] <spyke> it's clear
[19:44] <kumamoto> NiKeCRu666:  try it and see if that happens
[19:44] <kumamoto> ok use 'n'
[19:45] <spyke> extended or primary?
[19:45] <kumamoto> primary
[19:45] <NiKeCRu666> kumamoto, yup it happened
[19:45] <kumamoto> NiKeCRu666:  damn
[19:45] <spyke> kumamoto: done - i've chosen max size
[19:46] <NiKeCRu666> kumamoto: yup damn!
[19:46] <kumamoto> spyke: yes hit enter for everything
[19:46] <spyke> kumamoto: it's done
[19:46] <Accidus> Hmm... Should I ask my question yet again? I wouldn't want to flood the channel... Since being specific didn't help, then where can I learn more about diagnozing the problem?
[19:46] <kumamoto> then 'p' again to verify
[19:46] <spyke> done
[19:46] <spyke> looks good
[19:46] <kumamoto> NiKeCRu666: get another one from newegg
[19:47] <NiKeCRu666> hahaa it's new!!!!
[19:47] <NiKeCRu666> i recently bought it!
[19:47] <kumamoto> spyke: nice then hit 'w'
[19:47] <kumamoto> NiKeCRu666:  send it back
[19:47] <NiKeCRu666> kumamoto: hahahaa to USA? i live in south america
[19:47] <kumamoto> NiKeCRu666: oh man
[19:48] <spyke> kumamoto: ummm, 2 "new medium" windows have now opened on my desktop lol
[19:48] <NiKeCRu666> kumamoto: :( uhmn and if i mount it like a hard disk?
[19:48] <kumamoto> NiKeCRu666: see if you umount the drive remove it and then connect the SANSA
[19:49] <kumamoto> spyke: don't worry about them
[19:49] <kumamoto> keep it in the konsole
[19:49] <NiKeCRu666> kumamoto: yup i did it and it still doesnt appear :(
[19:49] <kumamoto> NiKeCRu666: man don't know what to tell unless I was physically there in costa rica
[19:50] <spyke> kumamoto: so far so good - should I try and mount it, see what happens?
[19:50] <kumamoto> I am just guessing
[19:50] <kumamoto> spyke: wait
[19:50] <NiKeCRu666> i'm not in costarica, i'm in Peru
[19:50] <kumamoto> spyke: fdisk -l
[19:51] <kumamoto> NiKeCRu666: I was thinking of moving down south I was thinking Costa Rica, Peru and Brazil (for soccer and the women(
[19:51] <spyke> kumamoto: http://paste.ubuntu.com/22183/
[19:51] <NiKeCRu666> kumamoto, hell yeah very beautifull woman here =)
[19:52] <kumamoto> spyke: /dev/sdb1 looks good
[19:52] <kumamoto> spyke: ok run this command mke2fs -j /dev/sdb1 and let it run
[19:52] <spyke> kumamoto: as root?
[19:53] <genii> With sudo
[19:53] <kumamoto> NiKeCRu666: how is the real estate and internet infrastructure in Peru
[19:53] <NiKeCRu666> what do you mean?
[19:53] <kumamoto> spyke:  after running sudo -i you don't need sudo again unless you killed the konsole window
[19:53] <kumamoto> NiKeCRu666: availability and price
[19:54] <NiKeCRu666> price, well it's cheap, but speed is not good =/
[19:54] <spyke> kumamoto: http://paste.ubuntu.com/22184/
[19:55] <NiKeCRu666> you can get internet 200 Kbps but you only get 10% of that speed, no more
[19:55] <kumamoto> spyke: it looks good, has it completed?
[19:55] <NiKeCRu666> i miss USA internet speed =(
[19:55] <spyke> kumamoto: yeah - only took about 10 seconds
[19:56] <kumamoto> NiKeCRu666: they are beginning to suck at that
[19:56] <kumamoto> spyke: now try mounting it
[19:56] <NiKeCRu666> kumamoto: shitty
[19:56] <NiKeCRu666> is so sad =(
[19:56] <kumamoto> A few companies are doing there best to mess it up
[19:57] <kumamoto> I have a guy I know in Japan who get 40MB up and down
[19:57] <NiKeCRu666> O.o
[19:57] <kumamoto> for approx $50
[19:57] <NiKeCRu666> omfg
[19:58] <kumamoto> NiKeCRu666: now you can imagine how I feel cheated with this bullshit about the greatest country in world crap
[19:58] <NiKeCRu666> kumamoto, i just want 1MB 100% performance
[19:58] <NiKeCRu666> ;(
[19:58] <spyke> kumamoto: it's not mounting - same problem as before
[19:59] <kumamoto> In netherlands they bring the fiber to your house 30MB up and down and it is $10 less a month if you pull to your own from the terminal
[19:59] <kumamoto> how are you mounting it
[20:00] <kumamoto> I feel cheated
[20:00] <spyke> kumamoto: wait i may have found the problem
[20:00] <kumamoto> spyke: nice
[20:00] <spyke> kumamoto: mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /media/storage2
[20:01] <spyke> that worked - but auto doesn't
[20:01] <spyke> that normal?
[20:01] <kumamoto> that is about it right
[20:01] <vipex> Can i download java to kubuntu?
[20:01] <kumamoto> vipex: sure you can
[20:01] <NiKeCRu666> kumamoto, i pay $35 for internet 200 Kbps with just 10% of that speed, i download at 20Kbps
[20:01] <vipex> How?
[20:01] <NiKeCRu666> no more speed -.-
[20:01] <kumamoto> spyke: when you say 'auto' what you mean/
[20:02] <spyke> kumamoto: I first tried mounting it using Disks & Filesystems - type:auto, that gave me errors
[20:02] <NiKeCRu666> kumamoto: 20Kpbs that's my top speed
[20:02] <spyke> kumamoto: but doing the commandline with ext3 worked
[20:03] <vipex> omg this is difficult:D
[20:04] <spyke> kumamoto: ok, now i'm getting upset - Disks & Filesystems gives me errors no matter what *sigh*
[20:04] <kumamoto> vipex : nice help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=422692
[20:04] <Accidus> Can you point me to a tutorial about re-installing the sound system? Perhaps that will fix it...
[20:05] <kumamoto> spyke: take a breather
[20:05] <spyke> kumamoto: yep, doing that, thinking about modifying fstab manually... although D&F is easier ;)
[20:05] <kumamoto> spyke: at this time have you umount sdb1
[20:06] <spyke> kumamoto: sdb1 is mounted now
[20:06] <kumamoto> spyke:  I find editing fstab file easier
[20:06] <kumamoto> spyke: just add it to the fstab file and run mount -a and see any error come up
[20:07] <spyke> kumamoto: /dev/sdb1 /media/storage2 ext3 users,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0  ??
[20:07] <kumamoto> NiKeCRu666: man 20Kbps is slow
[20:07] <genii> Hmm. any way to delay internet apps to open until after network connection has been established?
[20:07] <genii> Small but annoying thing
[20:07] <navetz__> hey guys, is there a way to get gtk-recordmydesktop to work on dual monitors?
[20:07] <NiKeCRu666> kumamoto: yeah i know is so f. slow
[20:07] <kumamoto> are the drives mounted like that?
[20:08] <NiKeCRu666> !paste
[20:08] <LetsGo67> I cannot use my Kodak EasyShare C340 as a card reader in Ubuntu, but it is detected in lsusb.  Can someone help, please?
[20:08] <spyke> kumamoto: no errors with mount -a - was that the correct text to use in fstab?
[20:09] <tmbg> in 8.04 is dolphin dolphin or d3lphin?
[20:09] <kumamoto> yes
[20:09] <kumamoto> but was kind of overkill for me
[20:09] <spyke> kumamoto: how can i simplify then?
[20:09] <spyke> (i suck at fstab!)
[20:10] <trenton> Hello all, where is the script that starts Compiz on hardy please, I need to delay it's start.
[20:10] <kumamoto> for the options I would just use defaults
[20:11] <kumamoto> !java
[20:11] <spyke> kumamoto: I think I see problems - check this out - http://paste.ubuntu.com/22187/
[20:11] <kumamoto> !fstab
[20:12] <Ash-Fox> trenton, I believe compiz-kde is a window manager.
[20:12] <spyke> kumamoto: there's both /dev/sdb, /dev/sdb1, and there's a double entry for one of the other hard drives...
[20:13] <Ash-Fox> trenton, thus, kdm likely starts it first thing.
[20:13] <trenton> Ash-Fox: thanks I'll look @kdm
[20:13] <navetz__> does anyone know of good software for recording your desktop that works with dual monitors?
[20:14] <kumamoto> spyke: ok fine, remove the sdb like in fstab, reboot the box and let it run and then check if has been added to the file automatically
[20:15] <kumamoto> spyke: remove both sdb and sdb1
[20:15] <spyke> kumamoto: both?
[20:15] <Accidus> *sigh* I think I'm giving up about the audio.
[20:15] <spyke> kumamoto: but then it won't mount...
[20:16] <LetsGo67> I cannot use my Kodak EasyShare C340 as a card reader in Ubuntu, but it is detected in lsusb.  Can someone help, please?
[20:16] <kumamoto> spyke: we are seeing if kubuntu will write to fstab automatically or it will ask you for permission to add it
[20:17] <spyke> oh ok, so you want me to use Disks & Filesystems after?
[20:17] <kumamoto> LetsGo67: do you have a card in the camera
[20:17] <LetsGo67> kumamoto: yes
[20:18] <kumamoto> spyke: let us know if Disk & Filesystems asks anything about it
[20:18] <spyke> kumamoto: ok - 2 secs
[20:18] <kumamoto> LetsGo67: does dmesg show the card
[20:18] <LetsGo67> No clue, how do I check?
[20:19] <kumamoto> LetsGo67: have you used konqueror before
[20:21] <LetsGo67> kumamoto: xubuntu not kubuntu.  Sorry.  :)
[20:21] <Ash-Fox> #xubuntu
[20:21] <trenton> can't find the script that starts compiz, it's not kdmrc, startkde, any help please?
[20:22] <spyke> kumamoto: all my problems with the drive have been solved - thanks :)
[20:22] <kumamoto> spyke: everything good now
[20:22] <kumamoto> YAY
[20:22] <spyke> kumamoto: all good :)
[20:23] <elbasan> hey komamoto can u help m ewith my digkam
[20:23] <spyke> kumamoto: I'll come in another time and have you help me fix video playback while compiz is running ;-)
[20:23] <[A]Li> how can i install Mplayer ?
[20:23] <kumamoto> spyke: I have never used Disks & Filesystems before
[20:23] <kumamoto> man I can't even get compiz to work on my kubuntu box
[20:23] <aSkEn> Bonsoir
[20:24] <spyke> kumamoto: it's easy for us wannabe geeks who can never remember the fstab options ;)
[20:24] <kumamoto> !mplayer
[20:24] <kumamoto> !codecs
[20:24] <spyke> kumamoto: it was easy to get compiz working for me - totally new computer here with a fresh install, I could never get it running on my old puter tho
[20:24] <kumamoto> spyke: for fstab option I usually go with 'defaults'
[20:25] <kumamoto> compiz is weird I have seen old comps use it too and some newones that don't
[20:25] <tmbg> NiKeCRu666, have you considered maybe dialup? would be cheaper and maybe even faster
[20:26] <spyke> kumamoto: how can i set the mount point owner to me the user and not root?
[20:26] <spyke> chown enough?
[20:26] <kumamoto> Last time I played with it was with xubuntu which worked flawlessly
[20:26] <kumamoto> you have permission in the fstab option 'user' that is you
[20:27] <StultusApparatus> Help, I cant delete these two folders, it says access is denied
[20:27] <spyke> kumamoto: so it doesn't matter who the owner is then?
[20:27] <trenton> anyone know how compiz is started on hardy?
[20:28] <spyke> trenton: compiz
[20:28] <StultusApparatus> Can anyone help me delete these folders?
[20:28] <kumamoto> StultusApparatus: how are you trying to delete the folders cli or gui
[20:28] <spyke> trenton: but you have to enable it in system/desktop effects
[20:28] <StultusApparatus> kumamoto: GUI
[20:29] <kumamoto> pull up the konsole and run this command
[20:29] <trenton> yes that's what I did and it works. but I would like to delay it's start by 10 seconds
[20:29] <trenton> spike:yes that's what I did and it works. but I would like to delay it's start by 10 seconds
[20:29] <spyke> trenton: sorry, dunno how to do that
[20:30] <kumamoto> spyke: root always has access the drive no matte what but I know you can deny other users to use the drive apart from you
[20:30] <kumamoto> StultusApparatus: konsole was for you
[20:31] <StultusApparatus> kumamoto: you never told me the command
[20:31] <spyke> kumamoto: that's all fine and good, but as user I can't even create a directory in the mount folder
[20:31] <trenton> spike:ok thanks
[20:31] <kumamoto> StultusApparatus: sudo rm -rf </path/to/folder>
[20:31] <StultusApparatus> thanks
[20:32] <kumamoto> spyke: when you attempt to create a dir error is?
[20:32] <Accidus> Okay, I managed to get rid of the "restart sound system" looping
[20:32] <spyke> kumamoto: can't create, permissions
[20:32] <kumamoto> StultusApparatus: use that command with extreme caution
[20:33] <StultusApparatus> kumamoto: Okay I will
[20:33] <spyke> kumamoto: "Can't create a directory. Check your permissions."
[20:33] <Accidus> If anyone interested, I've dropped the auto-suspend to one second, pressed 'apply', and it righted itself
[20:33] <kumamoto> spyke: what directory is the drive mount to?
[20:33] <Accidus> But sound still doesn't work.
[20:33] <spyke> kumamoto: /media/storage2
[20:34] <kumamoto> spyke: ls -la /media/
[20:34] <bato_rio> hi all
[20:35] <spyke> kumamoto: http://paste.ubuntu.com/22190/
[20:36] <spyke> kumamoto: shouldn't a simple chown -R be enough?
[20:36] <[A]Li> mplayer giving an error msg Seek Failed wht it means?
[20:36] <[A]Li> how can i fix it?
[20:37] <[A]Li> i am trying to play a .DAT format file
[20:37] <kumamoto>   spyke : cd /media
[20:37] <spyke> kumamoto: yes..
[20:38] <kumamoto> spyke: sudo chown spyke:spyke storage2
[20:38] <mark__> hi
[20:39] <spyke> kumamoto: got it, thanks
[20:39] <kumamoto>   spyke : can you know create a dir?
[20:39] <spyke> kumamoto: yep, works really pretty like :)
[20:40] <kumamoto> spyke: YAY
[20:40] <spyke> gotta go eat now - thanks for the help, ttyl
[20:40] <kumamoto> spyke: NP
[20:41] <Accidus> Hooray!
[20:41] <Accidus> Got the sound working
[20:41] <vipex> Hey guys
[20:41] <vipex> How can i get runescape work on my pc
[20:41] <Accidus> Here's the guide that helped me: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449
[20:43] <vipex> How can i install java on my computer (kubuntu 7.10)
[20:44] <vipex> I loaded something jre6etcetcetc.tar.gz
[20:44] <vipex> How can I install java on this ******* kubuntu
[20:44] <navetz__> what software is avaliable to record your desktop using dual monitors?
[20:46] <vipex> -.-
[20:46] <vipex> Any1 here?
[20:47] <vipex> How can i install java on my computer (kubuntu 7.10)
[20:47] <vipex> How can i install java on my computer (kubuntu 7.10)
[20:47] <kumamoto>   !java
[20:47] <vipex> Ty:D
[20:48] <kumamoto> navetz__: is this something close to what you looking for http://camstudio.org/
[20:48] <vipex> brb later
[20:49] <genii> Also sun-java6-plugin
[20:49] <kumamoto> !recordmydesktop
[20:49] <kumamoto> navetz__: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=294605
[20:50] <genii> !info recordmydesktop
[20:51] <navetz__> kumamoto: this cam studio thing is what I want, but lets hope it records on dual screens
[20:51] <navetz__> genii: record my desktop wont work across 2 monitors.
[20:52] <Accidus> Yay! Fixed the problem with Skype too
[21:02] <mefisto__> Accidus: what was wrong? what did you do from that thread that fixed the sound?
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> i just installed clamav from repos
[21:11] <Accidus> Hmm... I did several things. I'm not sure what fixed it
[21:11] <ActionParsnip> http://paste.ubuntu.com/22196/
[21:11] <Accidus> From that thread, I used the alsamixer
[21:11] <ActionParsnip> i get that when i run the updater
[21:11] <ActionParsnip> can anyone reccommend anything
[21:12] <ActionParsnip> i went to the faq and it says to install the latest version, yet i ran sudo apt-get update before updating
[21:12] <Accidus> Apparently, my audio was muted in alsamixer
[21:12] <Accidus> (but not in kmix, for example)
[21:13] <Accidus> As for the "restart audio system" loop, I already said what solved it
[21:13] <Accidus> And lastly, with Skype I had to manually choose the input and output devices
[21:13] <anubis> why are some of my gnome startup sessions starting in kde?
[21:14] <anubis> mainly avant-window-manager and gkrellm
[21:14] <anubis> and how can I stop it?
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> anubis: check ~/.kde/Autostart
[21:17] <munk_> help please....i have  few issues i gotta fix..one my computer doesnt shut down it stops midway, 2 it takes very long to start, 3 sometimes my knetworkmanager doesnt start
[21:18] <anubis> ActionParsnip: there was only screenlets server there, not avm or gkrellm?
[21:18] <anubis> anywhere else I should be checking?
[21:18] <sysadmin> hello. i've been trying to get a broadcom wifi card to work on kubuntu 8.04. i followed the directions on the wiki to use b43, and now the led is on and i can see the interface up. i want to use wpa_supplicant with it, but i don't know what driver to use. Does anyone know?
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> anubis: thats the default starter of stuff, check your init.d things too
[21:19] <anubis> that stufff is not daemon related
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> sysadmin: http://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=9588
[21:20] <ActionParsnip> sysadmin: broadcom sucks btw
[21:20] <sysadmin> ActionParsnip: it does indeed, i'm just trying to get it to work on my old laptop to sell it :)
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> sysadmin: good move
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> sysadmin: no idea man, if its an internal mini-pci card, id replace it and ue the broadcom in a windows based rig
[21:22] <sysadmin> ActionParsnip: i used to run it with ndiswrapper in Debian, but now that's broken
[21:23] <ActionParsnip> sysadmin: ubuntu is based on debian, same method dude
[21:24] <sysadmin> ActionParsnip: yes, but ndiswrapper doesn't work with the new ssb kernel module with broadcoms. i actually use ndiswrapper in my new laptop, but on an atheros card
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> sysadmin: log a bug and use the old kernel so it works
[21:26] <munk__> help please....i have  few issues i gotta fix..one my computer doesnt shut down it stops midway, 2 it takes very long to start, 3 sometimes my knetworkmanager doesnt start
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> munk__: you got full updates?
[21:28] <Accidus> Which command should I invove from the shell to open a file with its default application?
[21:28] <alucardromero> 14:26 <utente> hi need movie anyone have hulk in italian???
[21:28] <utente> !
[21:28] <munk__> ActionParsnip, yes i do..
[21:28] <alucardromero>  /kick utente
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> munk__: what changed to cause this? New hardware? Updates?
[21:29] <utente> hi everyone
[21:29] <utente> i'm new
[21:29] <alucardromero> We can tell.
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> alucardromero: we dont help with illegal activitys
[21:29] <alucardromero> ActionParsnip: Exactly
[21:29] <munk__> ActionParsnip, I dont know exactly... i have no new hardware, so just updates...im not sure:-s
[21:29] <utente> anyone can help me with command
[21:29] <utente> sorry for mistakes
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> munk__: you need to work out when it started and what changed
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> utente: wassup?
[21:30] <alucardromero> utente: This isn't a warez or movie site dude.
[21:30] <utente> i'm sorry for that
[21:30] <alucardromero> Are you needing help with Linux in Italian?
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> utente: what command do you need?
[21:30] <munk__> ActionParsnip, well the knetworkmanager just did it suddently without anything, and the shutdown after a series of updates....and the startup i have no clue...
[21:30] <utente> i don't know how use this program
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> utente: which program?
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> munk__: you could reinstall the app
[21:31] <utente> how can i have a list
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> list of what?
[21:31] <utente> chat list
[21:31] <alucardromero>  /names
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> utente: do you mean room list?
[21:31] <munk__> ActionParsnip, i tried it with knetworkmanager but it didnt fix anything, as for the other two, what packages do i reinstall?
[21:31] <utente> yes room list
[21:31] <alucardromero>  /list
[21:32] <utente> thanks
[21:32] <alucardromero> Surrrrre.
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> utente: /list works but if you bring up your app you can bring one up there
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> utente: what irc client you using?
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> munk__: the broken one, remove it then reinstall. Or you can get apt-get to reinstall over the top
[21:33] <munk__> ActionParsnip, how do i know which one is broken?!
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> munk__: sudo apt-get --reinstall install knetworkmanager
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> munk__:  well you said the network manager doesnt start at boot so that may be an indicator
[21:34] <TimS> I just got a message saying remote computer closed the connection.
[21:34] <munk__> ActionParsnip, i already did that and it didnt fix it.....
[21:34] <TimS> Does this mean a VNC connection?
[21:34] <utente> i use konversation
[21:34] <TimS> And does Desktop Sharing have any logs to see who it was?
[21:34] <munk__> ActionParsnip, i said that it doesnt start even if i try to start it it gives me errors..
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> munk__: what errors?
[21:35] <munk__> ActionParsnip,  let me pastebin it..
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> utente: its under server at the top
[21:36] <munk__> ActionParsnip, http://pastebin.com/m5ae3e0dc
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> munk__: you on gutsy?
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> munk__: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/129783
[21:44] <coggz> hi all
[21:44] <des__> hi
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> !hi | coggz
[21:44] <coggz> how do i go about converting wma's into mp3's?
[21:44] <coggz> without the wma2mp3 voidman script?
[21:46] <coggz> aha, will audacity do it? i may have answered my own question...
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> coggz: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=37793
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> coggz: why install a huge app when a script will do it
[21:46] <genii> !info soundconverter
[21:48] <coggz> i already have and use audacity... and it is not huge by any means
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> compared to a simple script..yes it is
[21:49] <munk__> ActionParsnip, i tried what they said there thanks, hopefully this works...
[21:49] <munk__> ActionParsnip, do you know where the shutdown log file is?
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> if you already have audacity then id use that
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> munk__: no idea bro, sorry
[21:50] <ActionParsnip> munk__: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=136368
[21:50] <munk__> thanks tho
[21:59] <nyuu> hi, I have a question
[21:59] <nyuu> I have installed all required codecs but..
[22:00] <nyuu> yesterday, I realized that my wmv files give no sound
[22:00] <nyuu> so I asked some friends how to fix it
[22:00] <nyuu> then they preferred some codecs and I installed them
[22:01] <nyuu> after that, my 'HD' videos began to play fuzzy
[22:03] <Roey> Hi, why do I get this weird error when mounting my SD card??  http://forums.opensuse.org/archives/sf-archives/software/345276-unable-mount-removable-media-hal-storage-removable-mount.html
[22:03] <Roey> How can I fix this?
[22:03] <Roey> Thanks
[22:04] <fiachabandrui> I had successfully installed Hardy Heron w/ KDE 4 but the last time I restarted KDE does not load, says "no resume image, doing normal boot"... I put my username and pword in at command prompt but then don't know what to do to fix. Tried startx but it just opens another command line window.
[22:06] <fiachabandrui> I am a Linux noob, not sure what do try next, would appreciate some help.. found many similar problems on forums but always said startx also would load KDE.
[22:09] <vipex> omg how ican download macromedia flashplayer to this kubuntu.
[22:10] <vipex> I have just downloaded kubuntu cos my windows is broken.
[22:10] <PhilRod> !flash
[22:11] <vipex> ok.
[22:11] <mefisto__> fiachabandrui: try booting in recovery mode, eventually you will see another menu, one of the options is xorg fix (or something like that). choose that option, then reboot normally when it's done
[22:12] <fiachabandrui> Mefisto, I'm pretty sure I tried that with no success (gets hard to remember after enough times) but I will try once more and let you know what it says.
[22:14] <vipex> ubottu ty very much
[22:14] <vipex> its working now!:D
[22:16] <fiachabandrui> OK, if I pick "recovery mode" instead of just regular kernel I get 4 options, one of which is xfix...
[22:16] <mefisto__> fiachabandrui: did you choose xfix?
[22:16] <fiachabandrui> It seems to do something but then I go back to recovery menu with same 4 choices.
[22:18] <fiachabandrui> If I pick resume normal boot, I eventually am back to commant prompt. THere is an error message for starting k display manager that says no such file or directory for kdm-kde4start-stop-daemon: stat /usr/ib/kde4/bin/kdm
[22:19] <fiachabandrui> Also grep: /usr/lib/kde4/kdm/kdmrc: no such file or directory
[22:22] <mefisto__> fiachabandrui: you could try reinstalling kdm: sudo apt-get install --reinstall kdm-kde4
[22:22] <ik_> sup
[22:23] <fiachabandrui> trying that now, mefisto.
[22:25] <mefisto__> fiachabandrui: also you could try #kubuntu-kde4 channel, someone there might be more helpful
[22:26] <fiachabandrui> Mefisto, the install process looked like it went normally so I am restarting...
[22:28] <fiachabandrui> OK well that's odd... I got as far as the splash screen and logon screen but then when I logged on it opened that same command line box like I got when tried "starx" before... No joy.
[22:29] <elgokulo> at least is the xserver workin :)
[22:29] <fiachabandrui> If I enter kdm & the logon gui restarts, rinse and repeat.
[22:30] <fiachabandrui> same if I enter kde &
[22:31] <elgokulo> did you tried kde3?
[22:31] <fiachabandrui> How would I do that? I have KDE 4 installed.
[22:35] <mefisto__> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[22:36] <fiachabandrui> OK, when I tried startkde I got a message about more packages needing installed, so I did that. I entered startkde again and now it says kpersonalizer not found please install.... then it is returning some other errors about missing files and I have no command prompt. Restart?
[22:36] <tekstacy> Is there a simple way to restore all my network stuff to defaults?
[22:37] <tekstacy> I tried installing another network manager, but managed to break my wireless
[22:37] <tekstacy> Knetworkmanager won't see my ap.   (Though I sometimes see my neighbor's).
[22:43] <fiachabandrui> mefisto, I had to restart because i no longer had a prompt and when I started in recovery mode to get to command line again and requested the kubuntu-desktop package, it said e: unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix missing?
[22:43] <elgokulo> try apt-get -f install
[22:45] <vipex> umm how to get java work on kubuntu?
[22:45] <holycow> !java
[22:45] <fiachabandrui> OK, it gives me a list of packages that were installed and no longer required, says to use apt-get autoremove to remove them, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed and 6 not upgraded
[22:45] <holycow> there you go
[22:45] <vipex> ok
[22:47] <mefisto__> fiachabandrui: looks like you have some updates. sudo apt-get update (to refresh the list of packages) then, sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:47] <elgokulo> fiachabandrui, then try again ... erm yeah try that was mefisto__ wrote :)
[22:48] <fiachabandrui> apt-get update isn't working right... it fails to fetch the addresses.
[22:48] <elgokulo> not online?
[22:50] <fiachabandrui> I don't know... this is my laptop, so I plugged into ethernet port since wireless isn't going to work obviously...doesn't work out of the box on mine.
[22:50] <mefisto__> fiachabandrui: ping google.com or ping ubuntu.com to see if you're online
[22:51] <fiachabandrui> If I out in the boot disc can it find the files it nneeds from that?
[22:51] <fiachabandrui> put rather
[22:52] <kumamoto>    fiachabandrui : are you currently booted into the OS
[22:53] <fiachabandrui> ? In Linux I'm not exactly sure what that means. I am at command line, no GUI.
[22:53] <kumamoto> fiachabandrui: ok
[22:54] <kumamoto> fiachabandrui: do you know your network information i.e ipaddr, gateway and netmask
[22:54] <kumamoto> ?
[22:55] <fiachabandrui> ugh.. not really b/c I have dynamic IP from my DSL. If I do a live boot and restart?... ::she says hopefully::
[22:56] <kumamoto> fiachabandrui: try doing a 'sudo dhclient eth0' eth0 being the main NIC
[22:57] <mefisto__> kumamoto: do you know how to add a CD to sources.list ?
[22:57] <kumamoto> mefisto__: sure
[23:00] <mefisto__> fiachabandrui: type this to confirm you have access to internet: ping ubuntu.com
[23:00] <fiachabandrui> Kumamoto, if I interpret this right, it's returning info for my wifi adapter, which is not too helpful.
[23:00] <kumamoto>  fiachabandrui : eth0 is your wifi?
[23:01] <kumamoto> if that is so then run dhclient without the NIC so 'sudo dhclient'
[23:02] <fiachabandrui> Mefisto, my screen is filling with an endless scroll of "64 bytes from avocado.canonical.com" etc...
[23:02] <Roey> Hi, why do I get this weird error when mounting my SD card??  http://forums.opensuse.org/archives/sf-archives/software/345276-unable-mount-removable-media-hal-storage-removable-mount.html  <-- is there a fix for this?
[23:02] <mefisto__> ctrl-c will kill that process
[23:03] <fiachabandrui> OK, mefisto, it says 95 sent and 95 received
[23:04] <mefisto__> fiachabandrui: which means you are connecting OK to ubuntu.com
[23:04] <fiachabandrui> WTF? I tried apt-get update again and worked fine.....
[23:05] <kumamoto> mefisto__:deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main
[23:07] <fiachabandrui> apt-get upgrade also seemed to work this time.
[23:07] <mefisto__> fiachabandrui: what is it upgrading? anything to do with kdm?
[23:08] <fiachabandrui> Not that I can see... all lib files, mostly from medibuntu
[23:12] <fiachabandrui> OK, I think where I hit the snage before was installing kubuntu-desktop so I am trying that now.
[23:14] <vipex> My kopete instant messenger isnt working?:O
[23:15] <nyuu> hi
[23:15] <nyuu> does anybody out there ?
[23:16] <FoxIII> Hi nyuu
[23:16] <nyuu> hi FoxIII
[23:16] <nyuu> can you help me with video codecs?
[23:16] <mefisto__> vipex: can you be more specific? does kopete start?
[23:16] <nyuu> I have a bit complicated problem FoxIII
[23:16] <FoxIII> !codecs
[23:16] <FoxIII> What's the problem nyuu
[23:17] <nyuu> yesterday, I had a video problem and...
[23:17] <engineer> sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[23:17] <nyuu> some of kubuntu users tried to help me at this channel ^^
[23:17] <nyuu> I did, I did
[23:17] <vipex> omg im too stupid to download the java on kubuntu ;( :D
[23:17] <FoxIII> nyuu, explain the problem and we'll try our best.
[23:17] <nyuu> ok
[23:17] <engineer> vipex java is in the reps
[23:18] <nyuu> now, when I try to open an 1080i video, my screen shakes
[23:18] <engineer> earthquake?
[23:18] <nyuu> before yesterday there was no problem
[23:18] <nyuu> ^^
[23:18] <nyuu> yea good joke
[23:18] <nyuu> like earthquake yea
[23:19] <vipex> reps?
[23:19] <nyuu> after installing some codecsççç
[23:19] <engineer> repositories
[23:19] <engineer> uninstall them
[23:19] <vipex> how?
[23:19] <nyuu> how can
[23:19] <nyuu> ..
[23:19] <nyuu> I think
[23:19] <vipex> Just today loaded kubuntu soz:D
[23:19] <engineer> sudo aptitude remove w32codecs
[23:19] <nyuu> the xv driver
[23:19] <nyuu> does that
[23:20] <engineer> vipex sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jre
[23:20] <nyuu> I want to delete all codecs and reinstall them
[23:20] <fiachabandrui> Mefisto, it appears kubuntu desktop is done and I had sort of a gui thing come up asking me to select the default, so I picked KDM KDE4 and now it's installing a ton more stuff.
[23:20] <nyuu> maybe it will solve this problem
[23:21] <nyuu> but be careful about the xv thing ^^
[23:21] <fiachabandrui> And now that
[23:21] <nyuu> and the other problem is...
[23:21] <vipex> wht means sudo:P?
[23:21] <nyuu> I can't hear a voice with wmp files
[23:21] <engineer> super user do
[23:21] <fiachabandrui> Sorry, now that's done and I have prompt again.
[23:21] <nyuu> but the video plays
[23:22] <vipex> So : i unistall reps
[23:22] <engineer> vipex you don't uninstall anything
[23:22] <mefisto__> fiachabandrui: now when you get to the login screen, look in the menu and choose KDE3
[23:22] <engineer> run that command i posted above
[23:22] <nyuu> how can I delete reps??
[23:22] <engineer> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:22] <engineer> edit the file and save
[23:23] <vipex> ohh engineer so wht i had to do to get java working:P?
[23:23] <fiachabandrui> Mefisto... what login screen? I have command line.
[23:23] <engineer> that will download the java jvm and install it
[23:23] <vipex> ok
[23:23] <engineer> (23:20:13) (engineer) vipex sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jre
[23:23] <engineer> or
[23:24] <engineer> sudo aptitude install sun-java6-bin
[23:24] <nyuu> thanx alot ^^
[23:24] <nyuu> it solved alot of problems ^^
[23:25] <mefisto__> fiachabandrui: startx, or reboot and start normally if that doesn't get you to login screen
[23:25] <nyuu> but I can't hear a voice with wmp files
[23:25] <nyuu> do you know a solution
[23:25] <nyuu> however, the video plays well
[23:27] <fiachabandrui> Oh, startx took me right in.. prolly because I was already at superuser prompt, the # thing... OK, so I have a desktop again, which is totally awesome...but a bunch of stuff is different and/or gone...
[23:28] <engineer> vipex yes
[23:28] <fiachabandrui> Ack!! umm.... any thoughts on what happened to my former home folder?
[23:30] <FoxIII> fiachabandrui, that's because you are signed in as root. If you check dolphin, you will probably see that you are not in your normal home folder.
[23:30] <fiachabandrui> Oh! Of course... moment of panic and I forgot I am in as root.
[23:31] <FoxIII> heh. Common mistake.
[23:32] <fiachabandrui> Is there a way to change users from here? I never logged in as root before.
[23:33] <mefisto__> fiachabandrui: just reboot and start normally, to make sure you can login as normal user
[23:33] <darkdelusions> fiachabandrui: su username
[23:33] <darkdelusions> or do u mean for good
[23:34] <fiachabandrui> OK... I'm scared. ;-)
[23:34] <mefisto__> fiachabandrui: it's not a good idea to be logged in as root, unless you need to for some reason
[23:34] <FoxIII> darkdelusions, fiachabandrui has logged in from the command prompt into root gui and wants to change to his other login.
[23:34] <fiachabandrui> Oh, yeah, I know. I'm not THAT much of a noob.
[23:35] <darkdelusions> FoxIII: ahh ok
[23:35] <BluesKaj> !root
[23:35] <fiachabandrui> ROFLMAO
[23:35] <FoxIII> hehe. That's good.
[23:36] <fiachabandrui> Phew... OK I am back in as myself and it looks different but OK.
[23:37] <vipex> links to install ? . sun-java6-jre
[23:38] <BluesKaj> try adept
[23:38] <darkdelusions> vipex: you can down load the unbuntu restricted xtra and it should install
[23:39] <mefisto__> fiachabandrui: OK, so it seems it's a KDE4 config problem you have
[23:39] <fiachabandrui> OK... which means what exactly in practice?
[23:40] <BluesKaj> darkdelusions, kubuntu-restricted-extras
[23:41] <mefisto__> fiachabandrui: until you track down the KDE4 problem, you won't be able to login to your KDE4 desktop
[23:41] <fiachabandrui> OK, so I'm in KDE 3 then? That's why it looks different?
[23:42] <mefisto__> fiachabandrui: yes, kde 3
[23:42] <mefisto__> #kubuntu-kde4 channel might be some help, but that channel tends to be less active than this one
[23:42] <fiachabandrui> Is there a burning reason I should go back to KDE4 other than my obsession with the bleeding edge?
[23:44] <fiachabandrui> I wasn't using any of the really sexy KDE4 stuff yet anyways because I was more concerned about Wine issues.
[23:45] <Sarcastic_> Eu amo vc!
[23:45] <Sarcastic_> Oi bipolar!
[23:45] <Sarcastic_> Como se se sente hj?
[23:46] <darkdelusions> !spanish | Sarcastic_
[23:47] <bassem> i need to scan windows Partition using Kubuntu ... any ideas ?
[23:48] <fiachabandrui> Well, mefisto, you've been a lifesaver. THanks so much. Seriously, though, as a bit of a noob, I am wondering if I would be wiser just to stick with KDE3. I was having a lot of problems in KDE4 with things hanging and crashing and I didn't think Linux was supposed to be that buggy...
[23:48] <fiachabandrui> Any thoughts on that?
[23:48] <BluesKaj> bassem, explain scan
[23:49] <kumamoto>  yeah what are you scanning for
[23:50] <bassem> well ... i had some kind of virus that prevents me from opening task manager .... called NOOH ... i want to scan and remove or quarantine it ..
[23:52] <kumamoto> seriously?!
[23:52] <bassem> unfortunately :D
[23:52] <fiachabandrui> OK, perhaps I should take a different tack... could anyone suggest a forum thread, faq, or whatever regarding the relative merits/drawbacks of KDE3 vs. KDE4?
[23:53] <mefisto__> fiachabandrui: kde4 is still quite new. I have it installed and log into it when an update arrives to see what's changed, but it's not useable enough for me yet
[23:53] <fiachabandrui> Ah, OK, thanks. Sorry to be impatient.
[23:54] <fiachabandrui> That may explain why I was having so much trouble, then. I was really starting to think I'd made a mistake ditching Vista at last... and that's really saying something!
[23:54] <BluesKaj> bassem, have you seen this : http://www.precisesecurity.com/computer-virus/alnuh-may063.htm, and your prob is with windows , kubuntu can only solve a windows prob by replacing it :)
[23:55] <bassem> :)
[23:55] <darkdelusions> vipex: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[23:55] <fiachabandrui> All right then, thanks for the help... you are totally awesome. :-)
[23:55] <mefisto__> I use kubuntu to restore registry backups when windows goes nuts and won't start
[23:57] <BluesKaj> yeah  mefisto__, but those are file/reg backups , not viruses
[23:57] <typedestereo> that's the command to edit the hosts file?
[23:57] <vipex> dark so im not founding anything
[23:57] <typedestereo> *what's
[23:57] <kumamoto> mefisto__: sorry, that I got a see
[23:59] <Odd-rationale> typedestereo: "kdesudo kate /etc/hosts" ?
[23:59] <typedestereo> 'command not found'
[23:59] <EagleScreen> going to #kde-devel
[23:59] <Odd-rationale> typedestereo: which part of the command?
[23:59] <mefisto__> kumamoto: http://paste.ubuntu.com/22232/
[23:59] <typedestereo> kdesudo