| laga | i love flaming VIA | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| laga | i guess i must be a bad person or something ;) | 00:00 |
| hads | I had an old VIA based Athlon desktop which I sold to a mate for a myth system, it works OK. | 00:00 |
| hads | I also have a VIA miniITX frontend in the bedroom. Slow little thing. | 00:01 |
| laga | i have an S100 in the bedroom | 00:01 |
| laga | http://www.zive.sk/Files/Obrazky/art/2006/telecom/T-Online_S100_STB.jpg | 00:02 |
| laga | celeron 733MHZ, wlan, power on and off using remote, fanless, like 40€ on ebay germany | 00:02 |
| hads | Nice | 00:03 |
| laga | cons: 128M ram, wlan isn't that great, you need a proprietary intel driver to get tv-out. no .ko though, yay. | 00:03 |
| hads | The LCD in the bedroom doesn't have DSUB so I need DVI unfortunately. | 00:03 |
| laga | :( | 00:03 |
| hads | Which is fine but limiting in what hardware you can use. | 00:04 |
| laga | 29€ for a s100 + ADSL router with wlan (at least partially supported by openwrt). not too bad. | 00:04 |
| hads | Good really. | 00:05 |
| laga | but 128M ram is really crippling. if you are really good at soldering, you can add more. but it's difficult to get the right chips. | 00:06 |
| laga | i've even found a new clock gen chip which allows more overclocking options. but there's only so much time you can spend wrecking hardware.. | 00:06 |
| darthanubis | Bug #237801 | 00:06 |
| laga | darthanubis: we don't have ubotu in here. | 00:07 |
| hads | I'm thinking of upgrading to full size board in the bedroom, it's hidden anyway. | 00:07 |
| darthanubis | laga I see that | 00:07 |
| laga | hads: ooh, i'm jealous. | 00:07 |
| hads | ubotu would be useful, I've done that a couple of times | 00:07 |
| darthanubis | wonder why its still incomplete | 00:08 |
| darthanubis | dunno why the bit is not here either | 00:08 |
| darthanubis | bot | 00:08 |
| laga | well, seveas left IRC and took ubotu with him. i think there are some replacements.. | 00:08 |
| hads | I'm thinking the only fan I'll need in a frontend system will be the HSF so that should be quiet enough | 00:10 |
| laga | PSU? | 00:10 |
| hads | Going to use a Pico-PSU or something with an external power brick. | 00:11 |
| hads | It's diskless so the power draw will be minimal | 00:11 |
| darthanubis | ubottu is still in the other channels | 00:13 |
| pablo | test | 01:24 |
| WindyCN | hey, anyone free to lend a hand with getting networking working on my mythbox? | 03:40 |
| ChrisC35 | hi | 05:45 |
| ChrisC35 | in mythbutnu setup i can get card is recognized and scans the channels sucessfully. However back to mythtv, when i click on watch tv, nothing happens (just back to menu again) | 05:49 |
| benlake | check /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log | 06:00 |
| ChrisC35 | hmm | 06:09 |
| ChrisC35 | SG(LiveTV) Error: Group 'LiveTv' wants to use directory '/home/chris/livetv', but this directory is not writable | 06:10 |
| ChrisC35 | i chose that dir in setup | 06:10 |
| ChrisC35 | why is it not writable? | 06:10 |
| ChrisC35 | also I see: GetChannelData() failed because it could not find channel number 'Please add' in DB for source '1' | 06:12 |
| ChrisC35 | i guess i should chmod those 777? | 06:15 |
| ChrisC35 | or 755 | 06:15 |
| ChrisC35 | and set owner to mythtv | 06:16 |
| benlake | I'm assuming you've run mythtv-setup? | 06:18 |
| ChrisC35 | ya | 06:18 |
| ChrisC35 | i guess those dirs should be in /home/myth/ | 06:18 |
| benlake | it doesn't matter where the directories are, you can specify any directory you want, permissions permitting | 06:19 |
| ChrisC35 | set permissions. Now when i scan channels in mythbuntu setup, it boots me out of setup. | 06:42 |
| benlake | how did you go about installing ythbuntu? | 06:42 |
| ChrisC35 | from install cd i downloaded | 06:43 |
| benlake | what is your capture card? | 06:43 |
| ChrisC35 | hvr-1600 | 06:43 |
| ChrisC35 | i installed the beta driver | 06:44 |
| benlake | not familiar with the support of that card, who is developing the driver? | 06:45 |
| ChrisC35 | ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Cx18 | 06:45 |
| benlake | is the driver in the repo or did you compile it? | 06:48 |
| benlake | cd | 06:48 |
| benlake | oops :) | 06:48 |
| ChrisC35 | i followed instruction there, downloaded, compiled ,etc | 06:50 |
| benlake | have you tried to capture anything yourself? to just test the card? | 06:51 |
| benlake | not using myth at all? | 06:51 |
| ChrisC35 | no, dont know how to do that | 06:51 |
| ChrisC35 | it works in my winxp machine | 06:52 |
| benlake | to test the driver... not necessarily the hardware | 06:52 |
| ChrisC35 | ah its scanning again... | 06:52 |
| ChrisC35 | its adding channels. maybe now it will work | 06:53 |
| benlake | I think you can cat /dev/videoX > capture.mpg | 06:54 |
| benlake | let that run a few seconds then ctrl-c, then play it | 06:54 |
| benlake | replace the X with the video device that is connected to your antenna/cable | 06:55 |
| ChrisC35 | i think the issue still is write perms | 07:02 |
| benlake | channel information is stored in mysql | 07:03 |
| ChrisC35 | everytime i exit mythbuntu setup, it says: cannot create a file /home/mythtv//.test - dir is not writable? | 07:03 |
| benlake | well that probably doesn't help either | 07:03 |
| ChrisC35 | i did a chmod 755 on it | 07:04 |
| ChrisC35 | and chown mythtv:mythtv on it too | 07:04 |
| ChrisC35 | oh maybe i should have done 777 or 775 | 07:04 |
| benlake | su mythtv and try to write to that file | 07:05 |
| benlake | not sure why but the setup program might be running as you | 07:05 |
| benlake | run `groups` is mythtv listed? | 07:06 |
| ChrisC35 | mythtv is there yes | 07:06 |
| ChrisC35 | i cant su mythtv i d ont know its pass | 07:07 |
| ChrisC35 | whats the pass it sets up for itself? | 07:09 |
| benlake | you could `sudo su -` then su mythtv | 07:09 |
| benlake | do an `ls /home/mythtv//.test` | 07:10 |
| benlake | what do you get? | 07:10 |
| ChrisC35 | oh btw i created the capture.mpg, it has size a couple megs, wont play though: AO: [pulse] Failed to connect to server: connection failed | 07:13 |
| ChrisC35 | er refused not failed | 07:13 |
| ChrisC35 | ok i could sudo su -\ | 07:14 |
| ChrisC35 | ls: cannot access /home/mythtv//.test: No such file or dir | 07:15 |
| benlake | ok so you need to make that work before it will work with setup | 07:15 |
| benlake | that feels like a directory you specified | 07:16 |
| ChrisC35 | make what work? not quite following | 07:16 |
| benlake | if an ls doesn't work, setup wont work | 07:16 |
| ChrisC35 | ok | 07:16 |
| benlake | make sure /home/mythtv is owned by mythtv group mythtv and 755 at least | 07:17 |
| ChrisC35 | ok it wrote its tests now i think - no error now\ | 07:17 |
| ChrisC35 | did the 775 perms | 07:18 |
| benlake | does /home/mythtv look like "drwxr-xr-x 4 mythtv mythtv 4096 2008-06-09 22:44 ." | 07:18 |
| ChrisC35 | i'll look - just tried watchtv again - still just a blank screeen for a minute, th en back to menu | 07:18 |
| benlake | not sure where the .test directories are coming from, but I suspect when setup is all said and done they will be removed | 07:19 |
| benlake | ok so go back to testing the card w/o myth | 07:19 |
| benlake | look in setup for the video device your using to scan for channels | 07:19 |
| ChrisC35 | i made the file before | 07:20 |
| ChrisC35 | <ChrisC35> oh btw i created the capture.mpg, it has size a couple megs, wont play though: AO: [pulse] Failed to connect to server: connection failed | 07:20 |
| benlake | oh gotcha missed that | 07:20 |
| benlake | play it with VLC or totem | 07:20 |
| benlake | mplayer gui is wonky | 07:21 |
| ChrisC35 | drwxrwxr - x 25 mythtv mythtv 4096 2008-06-21 | 07:21 |
| benlake | mplayer capture.mpg might work better | 07:21 |
| ChrisC35 | mplayer could not connect to socket | 07:22 |
| ChrisC35 | no such file or dir | 07:22 |
| ChrisC35 | falied to open LIRC support | 07:22 |
| ChrisC35 | you will not be able to use your remote control | 07:22 |
| benlake | yeah yeah, we don't care about that | 07:22 |
| ChrisC35 | failed to load avisynth.dll | 07:22 |
| ChrisC35 | seek failed | 07:22 |
| benlake | did it tell you anything about the file? | 07:23 |
| ChrisC35 | playing catpure.mpt | 07:24 |
| ChrisC35 | er g | 07:24 |
| ChrisC35 | nothing no | 07:24 |
| ChrisC35 | oh wait that was the wrong file | 07:25 |
| ChrisC35 | ok the one i catpured did work | 07:25 |
| ChrisC35 | i had a typo in its file name | 07:25 |
| benlake | great, video and sound? | 07:25 |
| ChrisC35 | i dont have speakers h ooked up here ... i could do that thought.. video i saw was grainy black | 07:26 |
| ChrisC35 | i'll try a new capture | 07:27 |
| benlake | grainy black as in not anything useful? | 07:27 |
| benlake | try different devices | 07:27 |
| ChrisC35 | aha | 07:28 |
| ChrisC35 | i have recorded chan 2 with chanel listings... | 07:28 |
| ChrisC35 | so it works | 07:28 |
| ChrisC35 | still nothing on watchtv though | 07:30 |
| benlake | ensure mythtv-setup is using the device you found that worked | 07:31 |
| ChrisC35 | btw in mythbackend.log it says NVR /dev/video0: unknown video codec. | 07:34 |
| benlake | is that the device you successfully recorded from? | 07:35 |
| ChrisC35 | please go into tv settings, recording profiles, and setup | 07:35 |
| ChrisC35 | error unknown audio coded | 07:35 |
| ChrisC35 | error: can't open vbi device '' | 07:35 |
| ChrisC35 | wont work with the streaming intervace, falling back | 07:36 |
| ChrisC35 | ok ill check now | 07:36 |
| ChrisC35 | yes video0 | 07:36 |
| ChrisC35 | thatw what i used | 07:36 |
| ChrisC35 | esd | 07:38 |
| ChrisC35 | -- /dev/video0 for card setup is Analog V4L capture card - Hauppauge HVR-1600 [cx18] | 07:38 |
| benlake | what is giving those errors? Watch TV? | 07:39 |
| ChrisC35 | codec is set to RTjpeg | 07:40 |
| ChrisC35 | i should prolly change to mpeg | 07:40 |
| ChrisC35 | watch tv, yes | 07:43 |
| ChrisC35 | well i dont get the codec error now | 07:45 |
| benlake | but still nothing? | 07:45 |
| ChrisC35 | still nothting | 07:46 |
| ChrisC35 | it says: | 07:46 |
| ChrisC35 | Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV | 07:46 |
| ChrisC35 | HW Tuner: 1->1 | 07:46 |
| ChrisC35 | SampleRate: attempted to add a rate 3200Hz which is not in the list of allowed rates | 07:47 |
| ChrisC35 | NVR /dev/video0 Error;: can't open vbi device: ' ' | 07:47 |
| ChrisC35 | video0 : won't work with the streaming interface, falling back ` | 07:47 |
| ChrisC35 | vidiocgmbuf:: invalid argument | 07:48 |
| ChrisC35 | changing from watchinglivetv to none | 07:48 |
| ChrisC35 | so those are all the rest i believ | 07:48 |
| ChrisC35 | what is a vbi device? | 07:49 |
| benlake | video buffer input, just a guess | 07:49 |
| benlake | you have errors to investigate, start googling from here | 07:50 |
| ChrisC35 | in tv card, under the analog v4l card, under VBI devic,e it s ays nothing | 07:50 |
| ChrisC35 | and theres no optinos | 07:50 |
| ChrisC35 | i should probably just buya supported card and reinstall it all | 07:50 |
| ChrisC35 | whats a good card toget | 07:50 |
| benlake | I don't know these days, depends on what you want to do | 07:51 |
| benlake | pvr-500 and less are well supported | 07:52 |
| benlake | ah! here it is: http://www.pchdtv.com/index.html | 07:54 |
| benlake | takes a bit more CPU since it is software decoding but it should be more than supported :) | 07:56 |
| benlake | I'm out, peace | 07:56 |
| ChrisC35 | t | 08:06 |
| tgm4883_laptop | I wouldn't recommend a software encoder | 08:29 |
| tgm4883_laptop | ever | 08:29 |
| tgm4883_laptop | ChrisC35, are you looking for an analog or digital tuner? | 08:30 |
| ChrisC35 | our cable tv here is analog | 08:32 |
| ChrisC35 | but we will get digital eventually | 08:32 |
| tgm4883_laptop | well for an analog tuner i'd recommend the pvr-150 or 500, although they are end of life so they may be difficult to find | 08:33 |
| ChrisC35 | can i get a digital, and it will work with my analog signal? | 08:33 |
| tgm4883_laptop | for a digital card, i'd recommend the pcHDTV 5500 or the Silicon HDHomerun | 08:33 |
| tgm4883_laptop | ChrisC35, IIRC, the new hauppauge cards will do that and have a hardware encoder for the analog signal | 08:34 |
| tgm4883_laptop | the HVR-1600 and 1800 I think | 08:34 |
| tgm4883_laptop | support for those is getting better too | 08:34 |
| ChrisC35 | i have a hvr-1600 now | 08:34 |
| ChrisC35 | i cante get it to work | 08:34 |
| ChrisC35 | well it does work in ubuntu | 08:34 |
| ChrisC35 | and in mythbuntu i can get it to scan the channels | 08:35 |
| ChrisC35 | but when i run watchtv in myth, nothing | 08:35 |
| tgm4883_laptop | hmm | 08:35 |
| ChrisC35 | in mythbackend.log its complaining about vbi device - NVR /dev/video0 Error;: can't open vbi device: ' ' | 08:35 |
| ChrisC35 | video0 : won't work with the streaming interface, falling back ` | 08:36 |
| tgm4883_laptop | yea i don't know | 08:36 |
| ChrisC35 | SampleRate: attempted to add a rate 3200Hz which is not in the list of allowed rates | 08:36 |
| ChrisC35 | i installed the beta driver | 08:36 |
| ChrisC35 | what is a vbi device|? the input for it is b lank under tv card | 08:36 |
| ChrisC35 | will i have to install winxp as my pvr machine.. | 08:37 |
| tgm4883_laptop | IIRC, vertical blanking interval | 08:38 |
| ChrisC35 | not sure what that is | 08:38 |
| ChrisC35 | are those dig cards expensive? | 08:39 |
| tgm4883_laptop | my pcHDTV 5500 was about 125 new, the silicon hdhomerun is like 160 but is external and has dual tuners | 08:41 |
| tgm4883_laptop | but if you have analog cable, then it may not be of that much use | 08:41 |
| ChrisC35 | well we wont have analog for long | 08:43 |
| ChrisC35 | but they will tune analog as well as digi i assume? | 08:43 |
| tgm4883_laptop | the pcHDTV 5500 will, but the analog tuner is software only | 08:43 |
| ChrisC35 | maybe i'll just use winxp with my 1600 - and sagetv or soemthing | 08:43 |
| tgm4883_laptop | i'm not sure if the HDHomerun has a analog tuner | 08:44 |
| ChrisC35 | its ok, but i wanted commercial skipping | 08:44 |
| ChrisC35 | too bad i cant get th is 1600 to work on mythbuntu | 08:44 |
| ChrisC35 | stupid thing | 08:44 |
| tgm4883_laptop | yea, from what i'm reading there are a few different versions of the hvr-1600 floating around | 08:45 |
| tgm4883_laptop | some better supported than others | 08:45 |
| ChrisC35 | ic | 08:46 |
| ChrisC35 | when will they get the driver support ready? | 08:46 |
| ChrisC35 | does that generally happen quickly? | 08:47 |
| tgm4883_laptop | well it depends on a few factors | 08:47 |
| tgm4883_laptop | card popularity, oem support, published specs | 08:47 |
| hads | Depends who's doing it and how quickly they want to do it. | 08:47 |
| tgm4883_laptop | yep | 08:48 |
| ChrisC35 | ic | 08:48 |
| ChrisC35 | http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Cx18 is where i found it | 08:48 |
| ChrisC35 | whats a good myth type app for windows? | 08:49 |
| tgm4883_laptop | ChrisC35, what kernel are you running? | 08:50 |
| ChrisC35 | you got me there | 08:53 |
| hads | uname -a | 08:53 |
| tgm4883_laptop | ok, so you loaded the cx18 driver, but what about the firmware? | 08:54 |
| ChrisC35 | linux ccpvr 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP | 08:54 |
| ChrisC35 | i copied the firmware as per those instructions to the dir and renamed the files | 08:54 |
| ChrisC35 | as per the instructions here http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Cx18 | 08:55 |
| tgm4883_laptop | what dir did you put the firmware in? | 08:55 |
| ChrisC35 | hmm cant remember, and locate is not returning anything for them | 08:58 |
| tgm4883_laptop | /lib/firmware? | 08:58 |
| ChrisC35 | where should they be? | 08:58 |
| ChrisC35 | in there all i see is 2.6.24-16-generic | 08:59 |
| tgm4883_laptop | /lib/firmware | 08:59 |
| ChrisC35 | ok in there... | 08:59 |
| ChrisC35 | i think i renamed them wrong | 09:00 |
| ChrisC35 | i put v4l (L) instead of v41 (one) | 09:00 |
| ChrisC35 | oh thats because othere files in there were using v4l | 09:00 |
| ChrisC35 | so i guess thats right. anywyas i put them in there | 09:00 |
| ChrisC35 | in the 2.6.24-16-generic dir | 09:00 |
| ChrisC35 | `is that correct? | 09:01 |
| ChrisC35 | have you gone? | 09:06 |
| KjetilK | Upgrading to 8.04 killed DVD playback for me | 13:31 |
| KjetilK | No errors, nothing starts, nothing in any of the system logs... | 13:31 |
| KjetilK | mythdvd was removed upon upgrade, but if I understand it correctly, it has been merged with mythvideo | 13:32 |
| KjetilK | any ideas where I should start? | 13:32 |
| KjetilK | oh, got it, I needed to set the DVD player to use /dev/dvdrw1 | 14:29 |
| KjetilK | next weirdness is the the sound level seems different for each plugin... | 14:29 |
| protonchris | I just upgraded from gusty to hardy and now apt-get is telling me that ubuntu-desktop is being 'kept back'. Is this package still needed? | 15:12 |
| protonchris | I just upgraded from gusty to hardy and now apt-get is telling me that ubuntu-desktop is being 'kept back'. Is this package still needed? | 17:08 |
| tplague | getting no audio on recording playback | 17:33 |
| tplague | anyone exparience this? | 17:33 |
| Ace2016 | hi all | 17:40 |
| Ace2016 | going to try mythbuntu again | 17:40 |
| ChrisC35 | dammit got disconected | 17:51 |
| prodigel | hi all. How big should I make an xfs partition for mythtv? | 17:51 |
| Ace2016 | as big as you want | 18:07 |
| prodigel | Ace2016: is there a minimum? | 18:09 |
| Ace2016 | http://www.lirc.org/html/lircd.html | 18:10 |
| Ace2016 | wrong one | 18:10 |
| Ace2016 | http://www.mythbuntu.org/requirements | 18:10 |
| Ace2016 | that one | 18:10 |
| prodigel | Ace2016: thanks | 18:11 |
| ChrisC35 | can anyone tell me why in the tvtuner setup, vbi device is blank | 18:13 |
| ChrisC35 | cant watch tv, mythbackend.log is complaining cant open vbi device | 18:13 |
| kiu112 | hi, i installed the mythtv package under hardy/desktop. I have a dvbc card, created multiple scanfiles with w_scan (plain, -X, -x) - how do i import this this into mythtv ? I read several howtos, but its not realy clear. If i am using "import channel.conf" what should be selected for "ATSC channel seperator" ? | 21:03 |
| kiu112 | the import ends with "Found channel, but it doesnt match existing tsid" ? | 21:07 |
| laga | i dont think w_scan is supported. unless these are compatible with the files generated by 'scan' from the dvb-utils package. | 21:08 |
| kiu112 | laga which output format of scan should be choosen ? zap, vdr or pids ? | 21:10 |
| pdxguy | hello | 23:43 |
| pdxguy | anybody here? | 23:45 |
| pdxguy | hmm... 53 other people in the room, but no one is talking. | 23:47 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | !ask | pdxguy | 23:48 |
| Zinn | pdxguy: ask - Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question. Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it. IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer. | 23:48 |
| pdxguy | fair enough. I have Ubuntu 8.04 loaded on my Dell Inspiron 600m laptop. I'm hoping to purchase a USB tv tuner card for it. Does anyone have any recommendations on what would work (more-or-less) out of the box? | 23:49 |
| hads | What type of tuner? | 23:50 |
| pdxguy | Good question. Whichever kind will let me get off-the-air signals and maybe later on cable/sat signals (if I get cable/sat servcie). | 23:51 |
| hads | Well the PVR150 is a popular choice although they are an old model now I believe. | 23:52 |
| pdxguy | Who manufactures the PVR150? Do you think they'd still be available from Major Electronics stores or would I need to special order? | 23:54 |
| hads | Loads of results in Google | 23:55 |
| pdxguy | for the PVR150? | 23:55 |
| hads | Yup | 23:55 |
| pdxguy | ah Hauppauge. I had one of their cards in my desktop years ago. Worked well enough under Win XP. | 23:56 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | pdxguy: hauppauge makes them but they are no longer made | 23:58 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | they are replacing them with the hvr-xxx series | 23:58 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | which will have support in the .26 kernel IIRC | 23:58 |
| pdxguy | Ok, thanks. Anyone have any idea what the performance would be like? I'm a little concerned about doing it thru a USB device. My experience with tv tuner cards was with internal PCI cards and even they were a little jerky. | 23:59 |
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