[00:00] <laga> i love flaming VIA
[00:00] <laga> i guess i must be a  bad person or something ;)
[00:00] <hads> I had an old VIA based Athlon desktop which I sold to a mate for a myth system, it works OK.
[00:01] <hads> I also have a VIA miniITX frontend in the bedroom. Slow little thing.
[00:01] <laga> i have an S100 in the bedroom
[00:02] <laga> http://www.zive.sk/Files/Obrazky/art/2006/telecom/T-Online_S100_STB.jpg
[00:02] <laga> celeron 733MHZ, wlan, power on and off using remote, fanless, like 40€ on ebay germany
[00:03] <hads> Nice
[00:03] <laga> cons: 128M ram, wlan isn't that great, you need a proprietary intel driver to get tv-out. no .ko though, yay.
[00:03] <hads> The LCD in the bedroom doesn't have DSUB so I need DVI unfortunately.
[00:03] <laga> :(
[00:04] <hads> Which is fine but limiting in what hardware you can use.
[00:04] <laga> 29€ for a s100 + ADSL router with wlan (at least partially supported by openwrt). not too bad.
[00:05] <hads> Good really.
[00:06] <laga> but 128M ram is really crippling. if you are really good at soldering, you can add more. but it's difficult to get the right chips.
[00:06] <laga> i've even found a new clock gen chip which allows more overclocking options. but there's only so much time you can spend wrecking hardware..
[00:06] <darthanubis> Bug #237801
[00:07] <laga> darthanubis: we don't have ubotu in here.
[00:07] <hads> I'm thinking of upgrading to full size board in the bedroom, it's hidden anyway.
[00:07] <darthanubis> laga I see that
[00:07] <laga> hads: ooh, i'm jealous.
[00:07] <hads> ubotu would be useful, I've done that a couple of times
[00:08] <darthanubis> wonder why its still incomplete
[00:08] <darthanubis> dunno why the bit is not here either
[00:08] <darthanubis> bot
[00:08] <laga> well, seveas left IRC and took ubotu with him. i think there are some replacements..
[00:10] <hads> I'm thinking the only fan I'll need in a frontend system will be the HSF so that should be quiet enough
[00:10] <laga> PSU?
[00:11] <hads> Going to use a Pico-PSU or something with an external power brick.
[00:11] <hads> It's diskless so the power draw will be minimal
[00:13] <darthanubis> ubottu is still in the other channels
[01:24] <pablo> test
[03:40] <WindyCN> hey, anyone free to lend a hand with getting networking working on my mythbox?
[05:45] <ChrisC35> hi
[05:49] <ChrisC35> in mythbutnu setup i can get card is recognized and scans the channels sucessfully. However back to mythtv, when i click on watch tv, nothing happens (just back to menu again)
[06:00] <benlake> check /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[06:09] <ChrisC35> hmm
[06:10] <ChrisC35> SG(LiveTV) Error: Group 'LiveTv' wants to use directory '/home/chris/livetv', but this directory is not writable
[06:10] <ChrisC35> i chose that dir in setup
[06:10] <ChrisC35> why is it not writable?
[06:12] <ChrisC35> also I see: GetChannelData() failed because it could not find channel number 'Please add' in DB for source '1'
[06:15] <ChrisC35> i guess i should chmod those 777?
[06:15] <ChrisC35> or 755
[06:16] <ChrisC35> and set owner to mythtv
[06:18] <benlake> I'm assuming you've run mythtv-setup?
[06:18] <ChrisC35> ya
[06:18] <ChrisC35> i guess those dirs should be in /home/myth/
[06:19] <benlake> it doesn't matter where the directories are, you can specify any directory you want, permissions permitting
[06:42] <ChrisC35> set permissions. Now when i scan channels in mythbuntu setup, it boots me out of setup.
[06:42] <benlake> how did you go about installing ythbuntu?
[06:43] <ChrisC35> from install cd i downloaded
[06:43] <benlake> what is your capture card?
[06:43] <ChrisC35> hvr-1600
[06:44] <ChrisC35> i installed the beta driver
[06:45] <benlake> not familiar with the support of that card, who is developing the driver?
[06:45] <ChrisC35> ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Cx18
[06:48] <benlake> is the driver in the repo or did you compile it?
[06:48] <benlake> cd
[06:48] <benlake> oops :)
[06:50] <ChrisC35> i followed instruction there, downloaded, compiled ,etc
[06:51] <benlake> have you tried to capture anything yourself? to just test the card?
[06:51] <benlake> not using myth at all?
[06:51] <ChrisC35> no, dont know how to do that
[06:52] <ChrisC35> it works in my winxp machine
[06:52] <benlake> to test the driver... not necessarily the hardware
[06:52] <ChrisC35> ah its scanning again...
[06:53] <ChrisC35> its adding channels. maybe now it will work
[06:54] <benlake> I think you can cat /dev/videoX > capture.mpg
[06:54] <benlake> let that run a few seconds then ctrl-c, then play it
[06:55] <benlake> replace the X with the video device that is connected to your antenna/cable
[07:02] <ChrisC35> i think the issue still is write perms
[07:03] <benlake> channel information is stored in mysql
[07:03] <ChrisC35> everytime i exit mythbuntu setup, it says:  cannot create a file /home/mythtv//.test - dir is not writable?
[07:03] <benlake> well that probably doesn't help either
[07:04] <ChrisC35> i did a chmod 755 on it
[07:04] <ChrisC35> and chown mythtv:mythtv on it too
[07:04] <ChrisC35> oh maybe i should have done 777 or 775
[07:05] <benlake> su mythtv and try to write to that file
[07:05] <benlake> not sure why but the setup program might be running as you
[07:06] <benlake> run `groups` is mythtv listed?
[07:06] <ChrisC35> mythtv is there yes
[07:07] <ChrisC35> i cant su mythtv i d ont know its pass
[07:09] <ChrisC35> whats the pass it sets up for itself?
[07:09] <benlake> you could `sudo su -` then su mythtv
[07:10] <benlake> do an `ls /home/mythtv//.test`
[07:10] <benlake> what do you get?
[07:13] <ChrisC35> oh btw i created the capture.mpg, it has size a couple megs, wont play though: AO: [pulse] Failed to connect to server: connection failed
[07:13] <ChrisC35> er refused not failed
[07:14] <ChrisC35> ok i could sudo su -\
[07:15] <ChrisC35> ls: cannot access /home/mythtv//.test: No such file or dir
[07:15] <benlake> ok so you need to make that work before it will work with setup
[07:16] <benlake> that feels like a directory you specified
[07:16] <ChrisC35> make what work? not quite following
[07:16] <benlake> if an ls doesn't work, setup wont work
[07:16] <ChrisC35> ok
[07:17] <benlake> make sure /home/mythtv is owned by mythtv group mythtv and 755 at least
[07:17] <ChrisC35> ok it wrote its tests now i think - no error now\
[07:18] <ChrisC35> did the 775 perms
[07:18] <benlake> does /home/mythtv look like "drwxr-xr-x 4 mythtv mythtv 4096 2008-06-09 22:44 ."
[07:18] <ChrisC35> i'll look - just tried watchtv again - still just a blank screeen for a minute, th en back to menu
[07:19] <benlake> not sure where the .test directories are coming from, but I suspect when setup is all said and done they will be removed
[07:19] <benlake> ok so go back to testing the card w/o myth
[07:19] <benlake> look in setup for the video device your using to scan for channels
[07:20] <ChrisC35> i made the file before
 oh btw i created the capture.mpg, it has size a couple megs, wont play though: AO: [pulse] Failed to connect to server: connection failed
[07:20] <benlake> oh gotcha missed that
[07:20] <benlake> play it with VLC or totem
[07:21] <benlake> mplayer gui is wonky
[07:21] <ChrisC35> drwxrwxr - x 25 mythtv mythtv 4096 2008-06-21
[07:21] <benlake> mplayer capture.mpg might work better
[07:22] <ChrisC35> mplayer could not connect to socket
[07:22] <ChrisC35> no such file or dir
[07:22] <ChrisC35> falied to open LIRC support
[07:22] <ChrisC35> you will not be able to use your remote control
[07:22] <benlake> yeah yeah, we don't care about that
[07:22] <ChrisC35> failed to load avisynth.dll
[07:22] <ChrisC35> seek failed
[07:23] <benlake> did it tell you anything about the file?
[07:24] <ChrisC35> playing catpure.mpt
[07:24] <ChrisC35> er g
[07:24] <ChrisC35> nothing no
[07:25] <ChrisC35> oh wait that was the wrong file
[07:25] <ChrisC35> ok the one i catpured did work
[07:25] <ChrisC35> i had a typo in its file name
[07:25] <benlake> great, video and sound?
[07:26] <ChrisC35> i dont have speakers h ooked up here ... i could do that thought.. video i saw was grainy black
[07:27] <ChrisC35> i'll try a new capture
[07:27] <benlake> grainy black as in not anything useful?
[07:27] <benlake> try different devices
[07:28] <ChrisC35> aha
[07:28] <ChrisC35> i have recorded chan 2 with chanel listings...
[07:28] <ChrisC35> so it works
[07:30] <ChrisC35> still nothing on watchtv though
[07:31] <benlake> ensure mythtv-setup is using the device you found that worked
[07:34] <ChrisC35> btw in mythbackend.log it says NVR /dev/video0: unknown video codec.
[07:35] <benlake> is that the device you successfully recorded from?
[07:35] <ChrisC35> please go into tv settings, recording profiles, and setup
[07:35] <ChrisC35> error unknown audio coded
[07:35] <ChrisC35> error: can't open vbi device ''
[07:36] <ChrisC35> wont work with the streaming intervace, falling back
[07:36] <ChrisC35> ok ill check now
[07:36] <ChrisC35> yes video0
[07:36] <ChrisC35> thatw what i used
[07:38] <ChrisC35> esd
[07:38] <ChrisC35>  --   /dev/video0 for card setup is Analog V4L capture card   - Hauppauge HVR-1600 [cx18]
[07:39] <benlake> what is giving those errors? Watch TV?
[07:40] <ChrisC35> codec is set to RTjpeg
[07:40] <ChrisC35> i should prolly change to mpeg
[07:43] <ChrisC35> watch tv, yes
[07:45] <ChrisC35> well i dont get the codec error now
[07:45] <benlake> but still nothing?
[07:46] <ChrisC35> still nothting
[07:46] <ChrisC35> it says:
[07:46] <ChrisC35> Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
[07:46] <ChrisC35> HW Tuner: 1->1
[07:47] <ChrisC35> SampleRate: attempted to add a rate 3200Hz which is not in the list of allowed rates
[07:47] <ChrisC35> NVR /dev/video0 Error;: can't open vbi device: ' '
[07:47] <ChrisC35> video0 : won't work with the streaming interface, falling back `
[07:48] <ChrisC35> vidiocgmbuf:: invalid argument
[07:48] <ChrisC35> changing from watchinglivetv to none
[07:48] <ChrisC35> so those are all the rest i believ
[07:49] <ChrisC35> what is a  vbi device?
[07:49] <benlake> video buffer input, just a guess
[07:50] <benlake> you have errors to investigate, start googling from here
[07:50] <ChrisC35> in tv card, under the analog v4l card, under VBI devic,e it s ays nothing
[07:50] <ChrisC35> and theres no optinos
[07:50] <ChrisC35> i should probably just buya  supported card and reinstall it all
[07:50] <ChrisC35> whats a good card toget
[07:51] <benlake> I don't know these days, depends on what you want to do
[07:52] <benlake> pvr-500 and less are well supported
[07:54] <benlake> ah! here it is: http://www.pchdtv.com/index.html
[07:56] <benlake> takes a bit more CPU since it is software decoding but it should be more than supported :)
[07:56] <benlake> I'm out, peace
[08:06] <ChrisC35> t
[08:29] <tgm4883_laptop> I wouldn't recommend a software encoder
[08:29] <tgm4883_laptop> ever
[08:30] <tgm4883_laptop> ChrisC35, are you looking for an analog or digital tuner?
[08:32] <ChrisC35> our cable tv here is analog
[08:32] <ChrisC35> but we will get digital eventually
[08:33] <tgm4883_laptop> well for an analog tuner i'd recommend the pvr-150 or 500, although they are end of life so they may be difficult to find
[08:33] <ChrisC35> can i get a digital, and it will work with my analog signal?
[08:33] <tgm4883_laptop> for a digital card, i'd recommend the pcHDTV 5500 or the Silicon HDHomerun
[08:34] <tgm4883_laptop> ChrisC35, IIRC, the new hauppauge cards will do that and have a hardware encoder for the analog signal
[08:34] <tgm4883_laptop> the HVR-1600 and 1800 I think
[08:34] <tgm4883_laptop> support for those is getting better too
[08:34] <ChrisC35> i have a hvr-1600 now
[08:34] <ChrisC35> i cante get it to work
[08:34] <ChrisC35> well it does work in ubuntu
[08:35] <ChrisC35> and in mythbuntu i can get it to scan the channels
[08:35] <ChrisC35> but when i run watchtv in myth, nothing
[08:35] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[08:35] <ChrisC35> in mythbackend.log its complaining about vbi device - NVR /dev/video0 Error;: can't open vbi device: ' '
[08:36] <ChrisC35> video0 : won't work with the streaming interface, falling back `
[08:36] <tgm4883_laptop> yea i don't know
[08:36] <ChrisC35> SampleRate: attempted to add a rate 3200Hz which is not in the list of allowed rates
[08:36] <ChrisC35> i installed the beta driver
[08:36] <ChrisC35> what is a vbi device|? the input for it is b lank under tv card
[08:37] <ChrisC35> will i have to install winxp as my pvr machine..
[08:38] <tgm4883_laptop> IIRC, vertical blanking interval
[08:38] <ChrisC35> not sure what that is
[08:39] <ChrisC35> are those dig cards expensive?
[08:41] <tgm4883_laptop> my pcHDTV 5500 was about 125 new, the silicon hdhomerun is like 160 but is external and has dual tuners
[08:41] <tgm4883_laptop> but if you have analog cable, then it may not be of that much use
[08:43] <ChrisC35> well we wont have analog for long
[08:43] <ChrisC35> but they will tune analog as well as digi i assume?
[08:43] <tgm4883_laptop> the pcHDTV 5500 will, but the analog tuner is software only
[08:43] <ChrisC35> maybe i'll just use winxp with my 1600 - and sagetv or soemthing
[08:44] <tgm4883_laptop> i'm not sure if the HDHomerun has a analog tuner
[08:44] <ChrisC35> its ok, but i wanted commercial skipping
[08:44] <ChrisC35> too bad i cant get th is 1600 to work on mythbuntu
[08:44] <ChrisC35> stupid thing
[08:45] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, from what i'm reading there are a few different versions of the hvr-1600 floating around
[08:45] <tgm4883_laptop> some better supported than others
[08:46] <ChrisC35> ic
[08:46] <ChrisC35> when will they get the driver support ready?
[08:47] <ChrisC35> does that generally happen quickly?
[08:47] <tgm4883_laptop> well it depends on a few factors
[08:47] <tgm4883_laptop> card popularity, oem support, published specs
[08:47] <hads> Depends who's doing it and how quickly they want to do it.
[08:48] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[08:48] <ChrisC35> ic
[08:48] <ChrisC35> http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Cx18 is where i found it
[08:49] <ChrisC35> whats a good myth type app for windows?
[08:50] <tgm4883_laptop> ChrisC35, what kernel are you running?
[08:53] <ChrisC35> you got me there
[08:53] <hads> uname -a
[08:54] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, so you loaded the cx18 driver, but what about the firmware?
[08:54] <ChrisC35> linux ccpvr 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP
[08:54] <ChrisC35> i copied the firmware as per those instructions to the dir and renamed the files
[08:55] <ChrisC35> as per the instructions here http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Cx18
[08:55] <tgm4883_laptop> what dir did you put the firmware in?
[08:58] <ChrisC35> hmm cant remember, and locate is not returning anything for them
[08:58] <tgm4883_laptop> /lib/firmware?
[08:58] <ChrisC35> where should they be?
[08:59] <ChrisC35> in there all i see is 2.6.24-16-generic
[08:59] <tgm4883_laptop> /lib/firmware
[08:59] <ChrisC35> ok in there...
[09:00] <ChrisC35> i think i renamed them wrong
[09:00] <ChrisC35> i put v4l (L) instead of v41 (one)
[09:00] <ChrisC35> oh thats because othere files in there were using v4l
[09:00] <ChrisC35> so i guess thats right. anywyas i put them in there
[09:00] <ChrisC35> in the 2.6.24-16-generic dir
[09:01] <ChrisC35> `is that correct?
[09:06] <ChrisC35> have you gone?
[13:31] <KjetilK> Upgrading to 8.04 killed DVD playback for me
[13:31] <KjetilK> No errors, nothing starts, nothing in any of the system logs...
[13:32] <KjetilK> mythdvd was removed upon upgrade, but if I understand it correctly, it has been merged with mythvideo
[13:32] <KjetilK> any ideas where I should start?
[14:29] <KjetilK> oh, got it, I needed to set the DVD player to use /dev/dvdrw1
[14:29] <KjetilK> next weirdness is the the sound level seems different for each plugin...
[15:12] <protonchris> I just upgraded from gusty to hardy and now apt-get is telling me that ubuntu-desktop is being 'kept back'.  Is this package still needed?
[17:08] <protonchris> I just upgraded from gusty to hardy and now apt-get is telling me that ubuntu-desktop is being 'kept back'.  Is this package still needed?
[17:33] <tplague> getting no audio on recording playback
[17:33] <tplague> anyone exparience this?
[17:40] <Ace2016> hi all
[17:40] <Ace2016> going to try mythbuntu again
[17:51] <ChrisC35> dammit got disconected
[17:51] <prodigel> hi all. How big should I make an xfs partition for mythtv?
[18:07] <Ace2016> as big as you want
[18:09] <prodigel> Ace2016: is there a minimum?
[18:10] <Ace2016> http://www.lirc.org/html/lircd.html
[18:10] <Ace2016> wrong one
[18:10] <Ace2016> http://www.mythbuntu.org/requirements
[18:10] <Ace2016> that one
[18:11] <prodigel> Ace2016: thanks
[18:13] <ChrisC35> can anyone tell me why in the tvtuner setup, vbi device is blank
[18:13] <ChrisC35> cant watch tv, mythbackend.log is complaining cant open vbi device
[21:03] <kiu112> hi, i installed the mythtv package under hardy/desktop. I have a dvbc card, created multiple scanfiles with w_scan (plain, -X, -x) - how do i import this this into mythtv ? I read several howtos, but its not realy clear. If i am using "import channel.conf" what should be selected  for "ATSC channel seperator" ?
[21:07] <kiu112> the import ends with "Found channel, but it doesnt match existing tsid" ?
[21:08] <laga> i dont think w_scan is supported. unless these are compatible with the files generated by 'scan' from the dvb-utils package.
[21:10] <kiu112> laga which output format of scan should be choosen ? zap, vdr or pids ?
[23:43] <pdxguy> hello
[23:45] <pdxguy> anybody here?
[23:47] <pdxguy> hmm... 53 other people in the room, but no one is talking.
[23:48] <rhpot1991_laptop> !ask | pdxguy
[23:48] <Zinn> pdxguy: ask - Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[23:49] <pdxguy> fair enough. I have Ubuntu 8.04 loaded on my Dell Inspiron 600m laptop. I'm hoping to purchase a USB tv tuner card for it. Does anyone have any recommendations on what would work (more-or-less) out of the box?
[23:50] <hads> What type of tuner?
[23:51] <pdxguy> Good question. Whichever kind will let me get off-the-air signals and maybe later on cable/sat signals (if I get cable/sat servcie).
[23:52] <hads> Well the PVR150 is a popular choice although they are an old model now I believe.
[23:54] <pdxguy> Who manufactures the PVR150? Do you think they'd still be available from Major Electronics stores or would I need to special order?
[23:55] <hads> Loads of results in Google
[23:55] <pdxguy> for the PVR150?
[23:55] <hads> Yup
[23:56] <pdxguy> ah Hauppauge. I had one of their cards in my desktop years ago. Worked well enough under Win XP.
[23:58] <rhpot1991_laptop> pdxguy: hauppauge makes them but they are no longer made
[23:58] <rhpot1991_laptop> they are replacing them with the hvr-xxx series
[23:58] <rhpot1991_laptop> which will have support in the .26 kernel IIRC
[23:59] <pdxguy> Ok, thanks. Anyone have any idea what the performance would be like? I'm a little concerned about doing it thru a USB device. My experience with tv tuner cards was with internal PCI cards and even they were a little jerky.