[00:04] <ghindo> The alpha still hasn't been released yet, right?
[00:04] <ethana2> I'll check
[00:04] <ethana2> not last I knew
[00:05] <ethana2> nope.
[00:05] <ghindo> Drat :/
[00:05] <ethana2> indeed
[00:05] <ghindo> I guess this just confirms that 8.04.1 is gonna be solid, but still
[00:05] <ethana2> I'm very much looking forward to it
[00:05] <ethana2> yeah
[00:06] <ghindo> Have you enabled the Intrepid repos?
[00:06] <ethana2> so what makes the 8-4 .1 different from 8-4?
[00:06] <ethana2> nope
[00:06] <ethana2> do they just let themselves change bigger things?
[00:06] <ghindo> I'm not sure, exactly.
[00:08] <ghindo> I think it's just an updated snapshot so that people won't have to run as many upgrades on their system
[00:08] <ethana2> oh
[00:08] <ethana2> well that's good too
[00:08] <ghindo> We've gone what - two kernel updates since 8.04 was released?
[00:08] <ethana2> something like that
[00:09] <ghindo> So 8.04.1 will have the current kernel and updated packages (things like Firefox 3 instead of Firefox 3 Beta 5)
[00:11] <ethana2> is intrepid going to use p2p served LZMA compressed updates?
[00:11] <ethana2> I don't know if they have a spec yet..
[00:12] <ghindo> What is that?
[00:13] <RAOF> ethana2: You mean with debtorrent and new dpkg?
[00:14] <ethana2> ooh!
[00:14] <ethana2> is that a 'maybe'?
[00:14] <ethana2> what new dpkg?
[00:15] <RAOF> That's a "some things already use lzma" for the second, and a "bittorrent doesn't seem to me to be a good protocol for updates" to the second.
[00:15] <ghindo> I don't think Intrepid will have debtorrent build-in...
[00:16] <RAOF> ethana2: At least for apt updates; it can work when large numbers of people want to download many megabytes worth of WoW updates, but I'm not sure that apt updates follow that pattern.
[00:16] <ethana2> as long as you keep one tracker
[00:17] <ethana2> what can it hurt?
[00:17] <ethana2> we have checksums for data verification
[00:17] <ethana2> it shouldn't try to alienate leechers though
[00:17] <ethana2> it should just be one client
[00:18] <ethana2> I'd just rather canonical spend money on devs than bandwidth
[00:18] <RAOF> It can hurt by making things slower?  By opening a world-visible port?
[00:18] <RAOF> ethana2: That's what mirrors are for.  There are tons of them :)
[00:18] <ethana2> yeah I know
[00:18] <ethana2> but a default install
[00:18] <ethana2> doesn't seem to locate the best by default
[00:18] <ethana2> you have to go in and do it
[00:19] <ethana2> it should be part of setting up
[00:19] <RAOF> It should at least hit the local (.au, or whatever) mirror, although I haven't installed with Ubiquity, ever.
[00:19] <ethana2> hmm
[00:19] <ethana2> well, you all know what you're doing more than I do
[00:20] <ghindo> Ubiquity doesn't set up mirrors, either :(
[00:20] <RAOF> It's entirely possible it _doesn't_ choose a local mirror, that should probably be a bug.
[00:20] <ghindo> I wish Ubuntu did it by default, although it's really not that big a deal
[00:23] <pen> how's the intrpid?
[00:23] <pen> good?
[00:24] <ethana2> I think memaker may need a rework
[00:24] <ethana2> beards just aren't plug and play
[00:25]  * RAOF will quote that
[00:25] <ethana2> oh great
[00:25] <ethana2> lol
[03:53] <lastent> Hi, does anyone knows what is happening with the alpha 1?
[03:53] <IdleOne> !alpha
[03:54] <IdleOne> not sure. remember seeing something about the release being pushed back for some reason
[03:58] <ethana2> 8.04.1
[04:22] <YokoZar> Is there a testing CD image out yet, or does that have to wait until Alpha 1?
[04:25] <ethana2> probably nightlies
[04:25] <ethana2> if you're crazy
[04:25] <ethana2> I mean I'm crazy
[04:25] <ethana2> but not /that/ crazy
[04:27] <lastent> qa.ubuntu.com
[04:27] <RAOF> Real men update with sed.
[04:28] <RAOF> * Disclaimer: Real men may also have broken Intrepid installs
[06:17] <josh_> what does the video playback plugin do in compiz-fusion
[06:34] <teethdood> josh_: I guess it allows you to playback videos? for a time we couldn't play videos while using compiz
[06:36] <teethdood> still can't play tux racer under compiz without flickering
[07:07] <DanaG> Woah, that's odd: my deskbar icon is now randomly very huge.
[07:07] <DanaG> Huge, as in something like 200 or 300 pixels wide.
[07:07] <DanaG> It doesn't stretch the panel vertically, but it does push stuff sideways.
[07:09] <RAOF> teethdood: The video plugin adds an interface for compiz-accelerated video that absolutely nothing uses.
[07:10] <RAOF> It's utterly useless.
[07:11] <teethdood> RAOF: how did they solve the problem of compiz not allowing video playback?
[07:11] <RAOF> It was a driver bug.
[07:11] <RAOF> They're _always_ driver bugs.
[07:11] <RAOF> It was fixed by fixing the driver :)
[07:12] <teethdood> sure took a long time to fix that bug
[07:14] <RAOF> Yeah.  The X infrastructure isn't/wasn't particularly good; compiz exposed gaping flaws in X.
[10:18] <Ziroday> has alpha 1 been released yet?
[10:20] <catweazle> no Ziroday
[10:20] <Ziroday> catweazle: darn, thanks
[13:08] <bardyr> Hey, does anybody know of a ppa to get network-manager 0.7 in intrepid? and what do i do to get the nvidia binary installed?
[17:02] <DanaG> Is it just me, or is /sbin/lrm-manager missing in the lastest linux-restricted-modules-common package?
[17:03] <DanaG> Oh, and something keeps spamming my console with:
[17:03] <DanaG> * Starting anac(h)ronistic cron anacron
[17:03] <DanaG> Over and over and over, every few seconds.
[17:04] <DanaG> Just start the **** daemon ONCE, please!  And stop spamming my consoles!
[17:05] <DanaG> Yay, chmod -x.
[17:09] <DanaG> Great, and the 2.6.24 one is GONE from the repos.
[17:09] <DanaG> Now I have to go dig around on the mirrors for the deb file.
[17:13] <DanaG> Anybody able to help me with this?
[17:13] <DanaG> The mirrors don't have the old version, either!
[17:13] <DanaG> At least, mirrors.kernel.org doesn't!
[17:15] <DanaG> Aah, it's  not under linux-restricted-modules-common dir.... it's under linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 dir.
[18:00] <DanaG> Anybody know how to install the nvidia driver on 2.6.26 with Xen?
[18:00] <DanaG> The nvdiia installer won't do it..... and /sbin/lrm-video is entirely GONE.
[18:06] <DanaG> Hmm, if I have these files, how do I build a deb?
[18:06] <DanaG> .orig.tar.gz    .diff.gz    .dsc           .changes            .build
[18:07] <Pici> !newpackage
[18:08] <DanaG> http://www.linux-archive.org/ubuntu-kernel-team/109806-wip-nvidia-packages-intrepid-tseliot.html
[18:09] <DanaG> Doesn't exactly say how to build the thing.
[18:10] <DanaG> aah, dpkg-source
[18:13] <DanaG> !find lrm-manager
[18:13] <DanaG> !find lrm-manager hardy
[18:14] <DanaG> That was way odd.... I just had something kill my music playback... and I randomly got the login sound played on my internal sound card!
[18:15] <DanaG> What the heck?
[18:15] <DanaG> It just did it AGAIN!
[18:15] <DanaG> And it re-muted my external sound card!
[18:47] <_anna> Hello
[18:49] <DanaG> Argh, damn nvidia.
[18:49] <DanaG> I can't use the nvidia drivers with the 2.6.26 kernel.
[19:07] <gnomefreak> DanaG: yes you can but its some work to do it
[19:07] <gnomefreak> darrend: after rebuilding my xorg.conf i was restarting gdm but you need to restart whole system :(
[19:08] <gnomefreak> ack
[22:10] <Coiotes> Is it possible to download an intrepid ISO, or would it be best to install Hardy then change sources.list? I plan only to test using a Virtual Machine
[22:11] <pheeror> is there a intrepid iso?
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> I don't think there is an iso yet
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> the only way right now is to change hardy to intrepid in sources.list in a hardy install
[22:34] <Coiotes> hmm
[22:34] <Coiotes> does intrepid look/feel/act that different from hardy yet?