[01:56] <fistelsork> hi
[01:58] <LetsGo67> How do I make Opera forget my email password?
[01:59] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: xubuntu doesn't ship with opera, try their support maybe
[01:59] <fistelsork> what do I do if I deleted the only user which can "administer the system"? >.<
[01:59] <LetsGo67> TheSheep, you mean, ask Opera for support?
[01:59] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: no idea how they have it organized
[02:00] <TheSheep> fistelsork: you can run in the recovery mode and add an user
[02:00] <LetsGo67> Was it a bad idea for me to remove Firefox and install Opera?
[02:00] <fistelsork> TheSheep: from the installation cd?
[02:00] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: no, you are free to use the software that suits you better, it's just I have no idea about how opera works or where it keeps passwords and such
[02:01] <TheSheep> fistelsork: no, when you boot, press esc, you will have a menu
[02:01] <LetsGo67> It is a proprietary, but I am still scared of getting it stolen.
[02:01] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: I think it's free for private use
[02:01] <fistelsork> TheSheep: aha! thanks!!
[02:01] <LetsGo67> Even more for Thunderbird.
[02:01] <LetsGo67> I want my passwords to be safe.
[02:02] <LetsGo67> I'd rather type my password instead of storing it on the PC.
[02:03] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: maybe someone else will know... I wonder if there is a channel for opera...
[02:03] <LetsGo67> Yes, but no answers.
[02:03] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: there is! try joining #opera
[02:03] <TheSheep> maybe in the morning there will be more people
[02:03] <LetsGo67> You went and left.  You don't use Opera?
[03:10] <cody-somerville> Xubuntu rocks! woot! :)
[04:26] <wolfwalker> This is a things-to-do guide after installing Ubuntu 8.04.  Getting flash, java, some codecs, etc., medibuntu repositories, blah, blah, blah.  Here's the page:  http://linuxondesktop.blogspot.com/2008/04/things-to-do-on-your-new-ubuntu-804.html
[04:26] <wolfwalker> Question:  Will all this work for Xubuntu as well?
[04:27] <cody-somerville> wolfwalker, I'll take a look
[04:28] <cody-somerville> wolfwalker, just install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:30] <wolfwalker> That includes flash and java?
[04:30] <wolfwalker> apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras?
[04:32] <cody-somerville> yup
[04:32] <wolfwalker> Thanks
[06:30] <xTOGx> how do i get my sound to work?
[06:33] <xTOGx> how do i get my sound to work? is there a driver or something
[06:39] <redwyrm> Hi. I am trying to scan a document using my printer/scanner combo, but I get a "no devices found" message
[06:40] <redwyrm> My printer/scanner is a Canon MP210 and I'm using the Flegita plugin for the Gimp to do the scanning.
[06:40] <redwyrm> how would I make the software recognize my printer?
[06:40] <redwyrm> (I'm using xubunt 8.04 "hardy" btw)
[06:41] <redwyrm> xubuntu*
[07:40] <nubuntu> god, i don't know whats happening to my computer.  now i have no more panels as of today when i turnd it on... i figured out how to go in thru the filesystem to usr/bin to find programs, but what a pain.  all this started when i tried to upgrade my video card driver for an installation of google earth.  anyone else having such a prob?
[07:41] <nubuntu> my screen resolution is all goofy too, i don't really know what it is rendering at, but it ain't very high i can say.
[08:07] <cody-somerville> nubuntu, hi
[09:03] <owen_> Need some advice before proceeding with a live usb xubuntu install. Is there the java jdk kit in the repositories?
[09:17] <AlexCONRAD> hi, my xubuntu just crashed (blinking leds on keyboard). How is it possible to know what happened after a reboot?
[09:18] <glitsj16> AlexCONRAD: hi, you can always check /var/log/syslog and look for clues
[09:18] <glitsj16> and ~/.xsession-errors as well
[09:19] <AlexCONRAD> glitsj16: i'll have a look at those, thanks
[09:19] <glitsj16> AlexCONRAD: hope it's easily fixed, your welcome
[11:06] <_-Jay-_> Evening all,   I'm having some trouble with xfce and external monitors and system faults,  being too big for the res,    anyone fancy a helping hand?
[11:26] <_-Jay-_> never mind,   got it,   stupid DPI configuration
[11:57] <temoto-work> What is xfce analog of konsole?
[11:58] <temoto-work> virtual terminal
[12:00] <Myrtti> xfce4-terminal
[12:23] <frangor> hi
[13:41] <floating> i started using the experiment version of vlc player. now when i try to update xubu-system with autoupdate.. it cant update some vlc files.. now there is always an icon on topright corner telling me about updates...
[14:49] <temoto-work> How to turn on Marvell wire ethernet card?
[14:50] <temoto-work> lspci 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group ltd. Unknown device 4355 (rev 12)
[15:54] <vehystrix> is there anyone that can tell me how I change the default file manager pcman?
[16:45] <vehystrix> is there anyone that can tell me how I change the default file manager pcman?
[17:08] <jokoon> hello Odd-rationale
[17:08] <jokoon> I just reinstalled ubuntu-desktop
[17:08] <jokoon> make xfce freeze after I login
[17:08] <jokoon> just a blue background with the mouse cursor
[17:10] <lobazo> hello i have a problem with my panel in xubuntu http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1777/screenshotxc4.png
[17:10] <lobazo> how can i fix it?
[17:12] <Myrtti> lobazo: so what is your problem exactly?
[17:12] <Myrtti> lobazo: that you've lost a spacer from the upper panel?
[17:14] <lobazo> the problem it's that i've lost my firefox icon and network icon
[17:15] <Myrtti> then right click the panel and add them back?
[17:15] <Myrtti> network icon you must mean nm-applet
[17:15] <Myrtti> *shrug*
[17:16] <Odd-rationale> jokoon: hey. what is the problem?
[17:17] <jokoon> I have a powerpc
[17:17] <jokoon> laptop
[17:17] <jokoon> ubuntu was installed, I installed xubuntu-desktop with synaptic
[17:18] <jokoon> but when I was loging in
[17:18] <jokoon> nothing happened
[17:18] <jokoon> I removed packages with a command line I think you gave me
[17:18] <jokoon> it works xfce worked
[17:19] <jokoon> because of a possible corrupt packet
[17:19] <jokoon> then I install ubuntu-desktop and it doesn't work anymore
[17:20] <jokoon> I don't get why xfce is fighting with gnome
[17:20] <jokoon> xfce works without gnome so whats the probleme
[17:21] <jokoon> Odd-rationale I explained you can read now :)
[17:22] <cody-somerville> xfce4 doesn't affect gnome
[17:22] <cody-somerville> Did you change the session at gdm?
[17:22] <jokoon> no
[17:22] <cody-somerville> Then you're probably still logging into xfce4?
[17:22] <TheSheep> cody-somerville: maybe that's our favorite bug?
[17:22] <jokoon> I think it was xfce by default
[17:23] <cody-somerville> jokoon, When you said nothing happpened when you tried to login, please describe further
[17:23] <cody-somerville> jokoon, could you still move your mouse around?
[17:23] <jokoon> yes
[17:23] <jokoon> there was a sky blue backgroun
[17:23] <jokoon> d
[17:25] <jokoon> i could still move my mouse
[17:25] <jokoon> cody-somerville
[17:25] <cody-somerville> jokoon, So what is happening now?
[17:25] <jokoon> (sorry forgot to put your name in)
[17:25] <jokoon> now I'm on gnome
[17:26] <jokoon> I miss xfce
[17:26] <cody-somerville> So no more trouble?
[17:26] <cody-somerville> Oh, you want Xfce4 back?
[17:26] <jokoon> yes trouble, I have a slow laptop
[17:26] <jokoon> I would prefer xfce
[17:26] <jokoon> nobody knows about what corrupt packet I should remove ?
[17:34] <Odd-rationale> jokoon: ok i'm back. sorry... :P
[17:34] <Odd-rationale> jokoon: do you have a terminal open?
[17:34] <jokoon> cody-somerville yes I want xfce back
[17:34] <wozz> Hi -- i'm trying to install xubuntu on some previously hp openview boxes
[17:34] <jokoon> yes, will you ask me to remove gnome again ?
[17:34] <wozz> and all i get is to the busybox shell and no further
[17:34] <cody-somerville> jokoon, what do you mean "corrupt" package?
[17:34] <wozz> any ideas?
[17:35] <jokoon> thats what Odd-rationale suggested
[17:35] <jokoon> cody-somerville
[17:35] <Odd-rationale> jokoon: no. let's remove some config files. try as your normal user "rm ~/.cache ~/.config"
[17:35] <cody-somerville> First off, whats the issue? :S
[17:35] <Odd-rationale> jokoon: then logout. and try logging in to xfce normally.
[17:36] <jokoon> cody-somerville the issue is : when I log in on a xfce session, all I have is a sky blue background with only the mouse
[17:37] <jokoon> NOT THE LOGO
[17:37] <Myrtti> Odd-rationale: are you serious about REMOVING .config?
[17:37] <Odd-rationale> Myrtti: yes.
[17:37] <jokoon> the device cursor can move
[17:37] <Myrtti> Odd-rationale: wouldn't you rather rename it?
[17:37] <Odd-rationale> Myrtti: why? you think i should move it instead?
[17:38] <Odd-rationale> Myrtti: well, there is seldom anything there worth keeping...
[17:38] <wozz> Perhaps you're running into this issue jokoon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/221657
[17:38] <wozz> sound familiar?
[17:40] <jokoon> wozz yes same problem
[17:40] <jokoon> I have a power pc machine
[17:41] <wozz> sounds like its a bug
[17:41] <wozz> sounds like reinstalling may help
[17:41] <wozz> or it may not
[17:41] <wozz> i believe the term is "SOL"
[17:42] <jokoon> meaning ?
[17:42] <cody-somerville> jokoon, I can fix your problem.
[17:42] <jokoon> cody-somerville really ?
[17:43] <cody-somerville> jokoon, Are you comfortable enough to replace a system file in the shell?
[17:43] <jokoon> yes
[17:43] <cody-somerville> jokoon, Do you need me to provide you with the file or are you comfortable just making the edit I tell you to?
[17:43] <jokoon> yes
[17:43] <jokoon> but be precise
[17:44] <jokoon> please
[17:44] <jokoon> or maybe in a pastebin
[17:45] <cody-somerville> Ok
[17:45] <cody-somerville> Are you able to edit the file right now while still talking to me?
[17:46] <jokoon> yes
[17:47] <jokoon> I can do that cody-somerville
[17:47] <cody-somerville> jokoon, okay, open /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc as root
[17:48] <jokoon> done
[17:48] <lobazo> well now i have almost all my icons but i don't have the help icon and  when i run my help appeared archive not found like this http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/3360/screenshot1yd7.png
[17:51] <jokoon> cody-somerville its done
[17:51] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: j0
[17:51] <cody-somerville> jokoon, Find dbus-launch in the file
[17:51] <cody-somerville> maxamillion, hi
[17:52] <jokoon> cody-somerville
[17:52] <jokoon> done
[17:52] <cody-somerville> jokoon, do you see that block there?
[17:52] <jokoon> the '#' ?
[17:53] <jokoon> I remove it ?
[17:53] <cody-somerville> no no
[17:53] <cody-somerville> By block, I mean group of lines without spaces.
[17:53] <jokoon> from if to fi
[17:53] <cody-somerville> jokoon, this here, yes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/22368/
[17:54] <jokoon> yes
[17:54] <jokoon> I see it
[17:55] <cody-somerville> Ok, I want you to cut that block and paste it before this block of text: http://paste.ubuntu.com/22369/
[17:57] <cody-somerville> When you're done, that part of the file should look like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/22372/
[17:58] <cody-somerville> (or very very very similar) :)
[17:58] <cody-somerville> Please pastebin your file before saving it
[18:04] <jokoon> http://paste.ubuntu.com/22374/
[18:05] <cody-somerville> Ok
[18:05] <cody-somerville> Looks good
[18:05] <cody-somerville> Save and try relogging into Xubuntu again.
[18:05]  * cody-somerville has to go afk now.
[18:14] <jokoon> cody-somerville THANKS A LOOT
[18:14]  * jokoon kisses cody-somerville 
[18:15] <cody-somerville> It worked? :)
[18:15] <jokoon> yep
[18:16] <lc2> iiiiinTTERRRNET
[18:20] <Woo> Can Xubuntu be installed on a 1,3GB hard drive?
[18:21] <cody-somerville> Woo_, probably not
[18:21] <Odd-rationale> Woo_: barely.
[18:21] <Odd-rationale> maybe if you don't included swap space...
[18:21] <Woo_> I will set it up to just do one thing, Folding@Home
[18:21] <Woo_> I don't need OpenOffice or any other stuff
[18:22] <Odd-rationale> Woo_: then ust install a cli
[18:22] <Odd-rationale> just
[18:22] <Woo_> a what?
[18:22] <Odd-rationale> command line interface
[18:22] <Woo_> I'm not smart enough for that
[18:22] <Odd-rationale> you don't need a gui for for folding@home
[18:22] <cody-somerville> Woo_, try damn small linux
[18:22] <Woo_> I know, but I need a brain to know what to type in the command line
[18:23] <Odd-rationale> Woo_: folding@home is done from the command line, correct?
[18:23] <Woo_> yeah
[18:24] <Odd-rationale> well, you know how to install it from the command line. no? (apt-get install stuff)
[18:24] <Woo_> yes.
[18:24] <Woo_> but i don't know how to manage setting up samba, editing the conf file from a command line
[18:25] <Odd-rationale> Woo_: well, you could learn... have you used nano?
[18:25] <Woo_> Nano what?
[18:25] <Woo_> Linux should have a (Windows) home server thing, they've solved it brilliant. You add a GPU when you config it, then you can remove it once you're done. Sounds very user friendly.
[18:26] <Odd-rationale> Woo_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems
[18:27] <Woo_> I think I'll go try damn small linux
[18:33] <Woo_> hmm, i guess i need a new switch
[18:34] <Woo_> will go for a walk down to where people throw away computers, wish me luck :)
[18:34] <wozz> i've got a cisco 1900 here if you wanna pay for shipping :)
[18:34] <Woo_> i had a big cisco thing as well once, 40W!
[18:35] <Woo_> i didn't really know what to do with it, it had these DVI-like things as well as two normal network plugs
[18:35] <wozz> we also have a 2900xl around here somewhere
[18:35] <Woo_> or hmm
[18:35] <Woo_> does xubuntu have good wireless support?
[18:36] <Woo_> have an old USB thing here
[18:37] <jokoon> magically, bluetooth now works
[18:37] <jokoon> yaaaaaay
[18:38] <wozz> xubuntu has the same wireless support as ubuntu
[18:38] <jokoon> now I have ubuntu-desktop installed
[18:38] <Woo_> do you think it is in any way possible to set it to go offline when it is not used?
[18:38] <Woo_> it is an old standard, we have an n router but it runs at g since no n cards around
[18:39] <Woo_> if it's constantly online i think the router will give the rest of us bad speed due to the bad standard
[18:39] <wozz> you might look into the power safe features
[18:40] <wozz> as to how or whether you can do this im not sure
[18:40] <wozz> power save
[20:08] <diskreet> hi
[20:08] <Myrtti> hullo
[20:08] <diskreet> er ... should the user:pass for a 8.04 livecd be ubuntu:[blank] ?
[20:08] <diskreet> i couldnt seem to find info on this anywhere on the official site
[20:09] <diskreet> nor on the cd image or any affiliated txt files
[20:11] <diskreet> i've got no terminals on tty1...6, just a bunch of "User not known to the underlying authentication module" messages
[20:12] <diskreet> same of which came up on normal install, which didn't continue anywhere for a good 10 minutes so i think it just froze
[20:33] <TheSheep> diskreet: it shuldn't ask you for password
[20:33] <TheSheep> diskreet: verify the cd for defects
[20:33] <Woo_> wow, i found a computer that had an 800MHz CPU
[20:33] <Woo_> but a staggering 1GB ram
[20:33] <Woo_> strange, eh?
[20:33] <TheSheep> not really
[20:33] <Woo_> who would need that the day it was bought?
[20:34] <TheSheep> a java developer maybe? ;)
[20:34] <Woo_> :P
[20:35] <Woo_> i also got two hard drives, 20 and 60 :)
[20:36] <Woo_> My client crashed, did I miss any messages?
[20:37] <lc2> nope
[20:41] <diskreet> TheSheep: ok, nice to know. it gave a graphical login screen so something must be wrong, probably with the cdrw then
[20:42] <TheSheep> diskreet: there is an option in the boot menu for vrifying the cd
[20:42] <Woo_> brilliant, i could replace the 1GB on a machine with 256
[20:45] <diskreet> ya, it found an error in 1 file altogether.
[20:46] <Cygnu1> Hey, quick question
[20:46] <Cygnu1> What kind of installation package does Xubuntu use?
[20:46]  * Cygnu1 just installed Xubuntu on a five year old Dell machine.
[20:46] <lc2> Cygnu1: deb
[20:47] <Cygnu1> Perhaps I should elaborate a little.  I've never used *nix, and have next to no idea what I'm doing.  I know my way around a system, just not Linux.
[20:48] <Cygnu1> Specifically, I'm trying to install Flash to get better browser functionality.
[20:50] <lc2> then you should have asked that
[20:50] <lc2> you don't need to go and download flash
[20:50] <lc2> firefox's plugin finder will do that fine
[20:51] <Cygnu1> Plugin finder is where?
[20:51] <Cygnu1> I'm not an idiot, I'm just lost.
[20:52] <Myrtti> just surf to say, orisinal.com
[20:52] <lc2> go to a page with flash on it.
[20:52] <Cygnu1> Right.
[20:52] <lc2> it'll say "additional plugins are needed" blah blah blah
[20:52] <Myrtti> then firefox should scream and yell "YO YO I zee Flash zomg download?"
[20:52] <Myrtti> :-P
[20:52] <lc2> "install missing plugins"
[20:53] <Cygnu1> My DSL is just bogged down because Xubuntu is updating in the background.
[20:53] <Myrtti> sorry, been drinking too much coffee
[20:53] <Cygnu1> Haha
[20:53] <Cygnu1> >.>  "You guys, because the Flash, it is coming, install our shit!"
[20:55] <diskreet> ...and if for some reason the plugin finder fails, you can get an installer script from the adobe site. just google adobe flash linux, get the .tar.gz, gunzip & untar and run it (./sh flashplayer-installer or whatever) from the terminal
[20:55] <diskreet> argh, second cdrw that doesn't work :D
[20:55] <Cygnu1> Yeah, I got the .tar.gz and untarred it, because the Firefox plugin finder didn't pop up
[20:56] <Cygnu1> For some reason.  Maybe I just missed it
[20:56] <Cygnu1> Also, is there some way to get the clock out of 24-hour format?
[20:57] <Cygnu1> I checked System>Time and Date... maybe I'm just missing something?
[20:57] <lc2> right click on the clock.
[20:57] <lc2> properties.
[20:57] <lc2> uncheck "use 24 hour clock".
[20:57] <lc2> profit!
[20:57] <Cygnu1> dur de dur...
[21:00] <steven_> lol @ profit!!
[21:01] <Cygnu1> shit was so cash...
[21:01] <Cygnu1> Oh, I have to wait for the Synaptics to finish the System update...
[21:02] <lc2> yes
[21:02] <lc2> 21:01 < Cygnu1> shit was so cash...
[21:02] <lc2> /b/tards? in my #xubuntu?
[21:02] <steven_> moar likely than u think!
[21:03] <Cygnu1> Well, /u/ers are usually slightly kinder than /b/tards.
[21:03] <Cygnu1> Anon is legion, though.
[21:04] <steven_> rule 34?
[21:04] <cody-somerville> hmm?
[21:04] <steven_> nvm lol
[21:04] <Cygnu1> on what?
[21:04] <Cygnu1> IRC clients?
[21:04] <steven_> this is for another room
[21:04] <cody-somerville> :)
[21:05] <steven_> right cody?
[21:05] <cody-somerville> Sounds about right.
[21:05] <steven_> lol
[21:05] <steven_> quick question
[21:05] <Cygnu1> How can I go about minimizing the resource requirements of Xubuntu.  I know it's already pretty light weight, but I'm running it on a P4 @1.8 and 256 or RAM.
[21:05] <Cygnu1> There should be a question mark somewhere in there.
[21:05] <steven_> i was trying to install xscreensaver along with gnome-screensaver
[21:06] <lc2> Cygnu1: not a lot, really
[21:06] <steven_> bot when i install gnome-sc, when i login, it freezes
[21:06] <lc2> it's as lightweight as it's going to get
[21:06] <steven_> it will allow me to login
[21:06] <steven_> but nothing after that
[21:06] <steven_> it seems like it kills x after login
[21:06] <steven_> but not really
[21:06] <steven_> it stays blue
[21:06] <steven_> any takers?
[21:06] <lc2> no idea
[21:07] <Cygnu1> Alright.  I am running a few windows open right now.  I'll check again when idle.  It's using ~170 MB when updating, and with Pidgin and Firefox open so I guess idle should be pretty good.
[21:07] <steven_> cygnu how you liking xubuntu?
[21:07] <steven_> oh cody
[21:07] <steven_> last week i was asking about tablets
[21:08] <steven_> i finally made a bootable USb stick with the xubuntu image on it
[21:08] <steven_> it's persistant as well
[21:08] <steven_> so i can swap hard disks
[21:08] <Cygnu1> From the 10 minutes I've used it, and given the crap computer I'm running it on... I like it.
[21:08] <steven_> cuz my tablet doesn't have a cd drive
[21:08] <lc2> Cygnu1: idle it's pretty good
[21:08] <steven_> yeah
[21:08] <Cygnu1> I could easily see throwing it onto a UMPC.
[21:08] <lc2> it's pretty good when idle*
[21:08] <steven_> what kinda comp u got?
[21:09] <lc2> Cygnu1: the thing is, about the only thing that takes up any memory is the gtk toolkit, and everything else uses it
[21:09] <Cygnu1> My guess is that updating is chewing up resources pretty good.
[21:09] <steven_> yeah
[21:09] <steven_> are you apt-get updating?
[21:09] <steven_> or dist-upgrade?
[21:09] <lc2> if you have *one* GTK program running all the time, then you're basically using no memory for all of xfce
[21:09] <lc2> but wat do i no lols
[21:09] <steven_> LOL
[21:10] <steven_> please elaborate lc2
[21:10] <Cygnu1> It just tossed me a window up in the corner that said "New updates, click here."  So I did.  I'm new to the whole *nix thing.
[21:10] <steven_> what do you mean?
[21:10] <steven_> cygnu1: this room is a good resource
[21:10] <steven_> some more broad questions might get answered a couple minutes faster in the reg #ubuntu room
[21:11] <steven_> cuz it has more people
[21:11] <steven_> but if you're going xub, stay here!
[21:11] <steven_> we will help
[21:11] <Cygnu1> Yeah, that's the nice thing about Linux.  The help is... onh, right... helpful.,
[21:11] <lc2> indeed
[21:11] <Cygnu1> oh*
[21:11] <lc2> so i'd like to think
[21:11] <steven_> yeah it's very much a community i've found
[21:11] <steven_> i was a windows user for years
[21:11] <steven_> had to learn to PXE boot to get a laptop broken
[21:12] <steven_> installed xubuntu
[21:12] <steven_> and never looked back
[21:12] <lc2> win
[21:12] <steven_> this was about 6 months ago
[21:12] <Cygnu1> Well, I'm not exactly a technotard.  I do fine on Windows XP, and with hardware... Right now, it's more that I'm lost and don't know what to do rather than being an idiot.
[21:12] <steven_> yeagh
[21:12]  * lc2 went from windows to linux about six years ago, went to bsd a couple of years later, went back to linux less than a month ago
[21:12] <steven_> it takes a while to learn
[21:12] <steven_> it can be frustrating at times
[21:12] <steven_> it helps t have another comp with internet access
[21:13] <steven_> when you want to tweak things
[21:13] <Cygnu1> It's just a lot more visceral than windows.  There aren't as many pretty paint-jobs to make things look nice...
[21:13] <steven_> like xorg.conf
[21:13] <steven_> LOL @ cygnu
[21:13] <steven_> but it is rewarding i found
[21:13] <steven_> like raising a child
[21:13] <steven_> teaching it to learn and grow
[21:13] <steven_> LOL
[21:13] <steven_> win?
[21:13] <lc2> win
[21:13] <Cygnu1> I mean, there's nothing that Windows does that LInux doesn't.  Linux does the exact same things when installing, and whatnot, it's just that Linux says "Fuck you, install it yourself."
[21:14] <steven_> LOL
[21:14] <steven_> summed up nicely
[21:14] <Cygnu1> "I have a terminal.  Say hello."
[21:14] <steven_> it's good on an older machine
[21:14] <Cygnu1> Yeah.
[21:14] <steven_> you can buildfrom ground up
[21:14] <steven_> windows will feel bloated after using xub
[21:14] <steven_> it's solightweight
[21:14] <Cygnu1> Even though Linux is really starting to gain ground on Windows because of UMPCs.
[21:15] <lc2> UMPCs?
[21:15] <steven_> yeah
[21:15] <steven_> quite
[21:15] <Cygnu1> people are getting EEEs and whatnot with Xandros on them, and realizing that Linux ain't just for powerusers.
[21:15] <Cygnu1> Ultra Mobile PCs.
[21:15] <steven_> xubuntu is like the hidden gem
[21:15] <lc2> oh, that sort of thing
[21:15] <steven_> yeah
[21:15] <steven_> i was gonna get an eee
[21:15] <Cygnu1> And that a penguin wearing a suit can look just as appealing as Windows.
[21:16] <steven_> but for a little more, i just wanna build my own xubuntu box
[21:16] <Cygnu1> I'm looking at either the MSI Wind, or the EEE 1000.
[21:16] <steven_> they're making an eee box
[21:16] <Cygnu1> I need it for classes, mainly. The note taking.
[21:16] <steven_> i believe
[21:16] <Cygnu1> Yeah, I saw.
[21:16] <Cygnu1> Cheap as dirt.
[21:16] <steven_> yeah
[21:16] <Cygnu1> But probably runs just fine
[21:16] <Cygnu1> What was it, 1.6 Atom?
[21:16] <steven_> but for the price, you could still build your own
[21:16] <Cygnu1> 1 GB of RAM?
[21:16] <steven_> i believe
[21:16] <steven_> yeah 1 g
[21:17] <Cygnu1> I mean, it's more or less exactly what you need if you just need to do word processing and internet.
[21:17] <steven_> that's all i do!
[21:17] <steven_> surf and type
[21:17] <lc2> ditto
[21:17] <lc2> that and music
[21:17] <steven_> god music
[21:17] <Cygnu1> Right.  Oh, is there any way to get rid of the System beep?
[21:17] <steven_> i forgot
[21:17] <steven_> umm
[21:17] <steven_> lemme check
[21:17] <steven_> i knew how in ubuntu
[21:17] <lc2> yes there is
[21:18] <Cygnu1> Immediately, I love having my VDE.
[21:18] <lc2> one of two ways
[21:18] <steven_> sudo nano -w /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[21:18] <lc2> one, via alsamixer
[21:18] <steven_> blacklist pcspkr
[21:18] <lc2> and the other, *think*
[21:18] <steven_> add to end of file
[21:18] <steven_> and save!
[21:18] <Cygnu1> hahah
[21:18] <steven_> profit!
[21:19] <Cygnu1> haha
[21:19] <steven_> haha at what?
[21:19] <Cygnu1> Profit!
[21:19] <lc2> okay
[21:19] <lc2> in a terminal:
[21:19] <lc2> xset b off
[21:19] <lc2> if you liek that, then
[21:19] <Cygnu1> Will that just turn it off?
[21:20] <lc2> applications -> settings -> settings manager
[21:20] <steven_> it should
[21:20] <lc2> it will
[21:20] <steven_> the modprobe blacklist works
[21:20] <lc2> then
[21:20] <lc2> under autostarted applications, add that command
[21:20] <lc2> profit
[21:20] <steven_> profit?
[21:20] <steven_> in my #xubuntu?
[21:20] <lc2> it's more likely than you think.
[21:21] <Cygnu1> I don't see where the Settings are...
[21:21] <Cygnu1> Dur
[21:21] <lc2> .. yeah
[21:21] <Cygnu1> at the top... I was thinking alpha.
[21:21] <lc2> mhm
[21:23] <steven_> did it work?
[21:24] <steven_> i am curious
[21:24] <Woo_> How much space does Xubuntu need?
[21:24] <steven_> i never tried lc2's method
[21:24] <steven_> LOL
[21:24] <TheSheep> Woo_: about 3GB
[21:24] <steven_> i use 1gb
[21:24] <steven_> off a USB thumb
[21:25] <steven_> and it works perfectly
[21:25] <steven_> opera for internet
[21:25] <Woo_> ok so i can give it a shot installing it on 1,3GB drive I have?
[21:25] <TheSheep> steven_: full install?
[21:25] <steven_> and openoffice for rest
[21:25] <Woo_> I don't need any applications, really
[21:25] <steven_> yes full persistant install
[21:25] <Woo_> it will just run folding@home
[21:25] <steven_> thesheep: yeah full install
[21:25] <Woo_> but the *buntu distros don't like removing oorg afaik
[21:25] <TheSheep> steven_: weird
[21:26] <steven_> why weird?
[21:26] <TheSheep> steven_: but it could have changed
[21:26] <steven_> it took some tweaking
[21:26] <steven_> wanna know how i did it?
[21:26] <Cygnu1> About the system  beeps.  I take  it I have to restart for the autorun command to work?
[21:26] <TheSheep> steven_: so it's not a standard full install
[21:26] <steven_> no it is full install
[21:26] <steven_> afaik
[21:26] <Woo_> oh i misunderstood, so can i install it on my 1,3gb drive or not
[21:26] <Woo_> i meant to put a question sign there
[21:27] <TheSheep> Woo_: not without some work
[21:27] <steven_> yes you can
[21:27] <lc2> Cygnu1: well, log out and back in
[21:27] <steven_> it's actually not hard
[21:27] <steven_> it runs like a live cd
[21:27] <lc2> Cygnu1: but doing xset b off in the terminal will do it immediately
[21:27] <steven_> so yeah technically not full install
[21:27] <steven_> right?
[21:27] <Woo_> i tried damn small linux now but my mouse or keyboard didn't work
[21:27] <Woo_> and the application had an error loading or something
[21:28] <steven_> this works on every computer i tried
[21:28] <steven_> my laptop desktop
[21:28] <Cygnu1> Gotcha.
[21:28] <steven_> old comps at work
[21:28] <steven_> the photo kiosk in walmart
[21:28] <steven_> yeah that's right
[21:28] <steven_> i did it
[21:28] <Woo_> will it work if i uninstall some applications with the package manager?
[21:28] <Cygnu1> The other thing I'm poking around settings for is things like graphic snazzyness, since I'm on an integrated chipset.
[21:29] <steven_> go to apps>settings man>windows tweaks
[21:29] <steven_> or somehting like that
[21:29] <steven_> transparency
[21:29] <steven_> windows mods
[21:29] <steven_> easy stuff
[21:29] <steven_> focus grabs
[21:29] <Cygnu1> Yup
[21:29] <Cygnu1> Turned off the Anti-aliasing on fonts.
[21:29] <steven_> that's hwta i use
[21:29] <steven_> it's not quite extra effects ala ubuntu with compiz fusion
[21:29] <steven_> but it's fun
[21:30] <steven_> i am using
[21:30] <steven_> let's see
[21:30] <steven_> blended-gtk as window manager
[21:30] <steven_> with xfce-dusk as theme
[21:30] <steven_> it looks sweet
[21:31] <steven_> it takes getting used to
[21:31] <steven_> but it seems like less strain on the eyes
[21:31] <steven_> why u turn off anti-aliasing?
[21:32] <Cygnu1> Because it's AA.
[21:32] <Cygnu1> on an integrated chipset.
[21:32] <steven_> sorry i misuderstand
[21:32] <steven_> it doesn't render or what's wrong?
[21:34] <Cygnu1> Nothing's wrong.
[21:34] <Cygnu1> It just alleviates strain on an otherwise crappy graphics engine.
[21:34] <Cygnu1> Rather
[21:34] <Cygnu1> not engine, but hardware.
[21:35] <steven_> what's ur graphics card?
[21:36] <steven_> how much strain you think it actually alleviates?
[21:47] <steven_> cygnu1: how's it going?
[21:51] <steven_> updates done?
[21:57] <lc2> i wouldn't bother turning off anti-aliasing
[21:57] <lc2> since that's done in hardware amirite
[21:57] <lc2> and it's not like any graphics card since like, 1999 will be stressed out just running X
[21:57] <lc2> but wat do i no lol
[21:58] <steven_> u no natting
[21:58] <steven_> lol that's why i was asking
[22:02] <steven_> lawls
[22:33] <hyppias> is hardy good now for eeepc
[22:34] <azexian> hi, need help getting a touchscreen working
[23:10] <thinkmassive> hmm I wonder what kind of touchscreen azexian has
[23:10]  * lc2 doesn't know
[23:11] <lc2> i guess we never will
[23:12] <thinkmassive> it's too bad
[23:12] <thinkmassive> I wish the touchscreen on my tablet was supported
[23:12] <thinkmassive> then again I don't really use the pen except to show it off right now
[23:12] <thinkmassive> meh
[23:13] <lc2> meh ;\
[23:24] <Nyad> Hi. I need to reset my xubuntu configuration back to defaults, something has gone wrong and I can no longer see anything, when it starts up the screen is blank
[23:24] <Nyad> it has the backgroung
[23:24] <Nyad> but it doesn't load the XFCE interface properly, kde and everything else works fine
[23:44] <naynay> Hi everyone, would anyone know if overclocking would keep my sound drivers from working?
[23:44] <steven_> good question
[23:44] <steven_> i don't think so
[23:45] <naynay> humm...Might be something else then, but thats the only change i've made lately.
[23:45] <steven_> perhaps
[23:52] <naynay> Here is the dmesg outbut for alsa http://paste.ubuntu.com/22461/
[23:58] <Cygnu1> These System Beeps are annoying.  Anybody know how to turn them off?
[23:59] <Cygnu1> I already tried blacklisting with AutoStarted Apps...