[00:40] some problem in launchpad? [00:40] seems very slow now.. [00:40] ah, thought it was "just me" :) [00:41] kiko, is there something going on, or is it "abnormal"? [00:45] bugs.edge.launchpad.net seems very slow at the moment, and I've had a few instances where it just returned a page saying that it had a problem connecting to the Launchpad servers. The 'syncbugbot' tool we use on drescher for handling Debian->Ubuntu sync requests (via bugs) seems to be completely unable to connect. Is something known to be wrong? [00:46] cjwatson, you're the third one here complaining (code hosting is slow too) [00:46] * beuno pokes lifeless [00:46] * beuno pokes mthaddon [00:47] beuno, cjwatson: it's working for us.. [00:48] kiko, it works, it's just *very* slow [00:48] I got bzr: ERROR: xmlrpc protocol error connecting to https://xmlrpc.edge.launchpad.net/bazaar/: 502 Bad Gateway [00:48] a few minutes ago [00:48] it doesn't seem too bad to me either [00:48] and now, it's been ~15 minutes to push (it's autopacking) [00:50] just got 503 from sync-source.py [00:50] while talking to the librarian by the looks of things [00:50] yeah, tom's restarting the librarian. [00:50] hang on there -- think it was a memory issue. [00:50] yeah, librarian's been having issues - I just restarted it [00:52] * cjwatson guesses it takes a while to come up, since still the same thing [00:56] cjwatson, beuno: can you try again and confirm? [00:56] we know what it is [00:56] tom's using a little hammer first now [00:56] launchpad free. :) [00:56] okay [00:56] should be fixed now [00:56] no big hammer necessary! [00:56] kiko, seems much faster now, thanks [00:58] kiko: seems to have recovered; thanks to you and Tom [00:59] thanks for reporting things, beuno, cjwatson -- we are having a weird week [01:03] :) [01:06] thanks kiko :) [01:16] kiko: there are another problem in launchpad with icons [01:17] s/problem/problems/ [01:18] emgent, oh? [01:19] kiko: https://edge.launchpad.net/~emgent [01:19] bzr, bugs icons dont work [01:20] (in Most active in) [01:20] emgent, worked for me -- try reloading? [01:21] yes but dont work.. uhm it will try to kill firefox and reopen it. [01:22] kiko: nothing, dont work :\ [01:22] emgent, weird, wfm. [01:23] http://thc.emanuele-gentili.com/~emgent/argh.png [01:24] emgent, I can see the gentoo icons just fine [01:24] argh, now i can see only question icon [01:24] have you tried control + f5? [01:25] beuno: yes .. [01:25] http://thc.emanuele-gentili.com/~emgent/argh2.png [01:27] weird.. [01:28] http://thc.emanuele-gentili.com/~emgent/argh3.png [01:28] now only brz and translate icons [01:49] kiko: ok now work fine. === poolie_ is now known as poolie === kiko is now known as kiko-zzz === Odd_Blok1 is now known as Odd_Bloke [04:42] can you host bazaar repositories on launchpad? [04:42] a shared repository [04:43] I'm having trouble understanding the bazaar concepts - does anyone want to help me decide the best way to organize a project? [04:46] xz: shared repo no [04:46] xz: we are working on deploying a different solution for sharing revisions [04:47] xz: which will give efficient storage and quick push/pull [04:47] well, quick push anyway [04:48] thumper: well with the current launchpad system, how would you organize this project... [04:49] three different directories, that should be able to be worked on independently, but that also belong in a single directory which is also under revision control [04:50] is it possible to nest branches with bazaar? [04:56] kinda [04:56] xz: why not just have all within the same branch? [04:57] thumper yeah I guess that is also possible [04:57] xz: how big are the directories? [04:58] xz: I guess it comes down to "do the difference directories work by themselves, or are they dependent on each other?" [04:58] thumper small [04:59] xz: if they are part of a logical project, have one branch with the different directories in it [04:59] thumper if I used a single branch (the parent directory) is it possible to filter the log to show a single directory at a time when necessary? [05:00] xz: you can show the log for a single file [05:00] xz: not sure about a directory and its contents [05:00] xz: if you ask for a log on a directory, you'll get the log of the directory as directories are versioned [05:00] how do you get a log for a single file? [05:00] xz: best to ask that question on #bzr [05:00] xz: bzr log filename [05:01] xz: bzr log directory/filename [05:01] I thikn that shows all the revisions of the branch containing that file [05:01] but not just the ones affecting that file [05:02] it's not a big deal. i think the single branch is probably the way to go [05:02] xz: It definitely shows only those revisions that affect it. [05:02] I think that is probably the simplets [05:02] simplest === stdin_ is now known as stdin [09:21] Hey [09:22] Is it possible to say which level of coding skill projects are normally looking for when offering mentorship? or does it vary too much? === jt1 is now known as jtv [09:39] Are commits to bazaar repositories in launchpad also used to give people karma? [09:41] qense: Hey, I'm pretty certain they don't. [09:41] ah, thx [09:41] I already suspected something like that [09:41] but not at all? [09:41] I'm helping a bit out with a project and there are about 6 active persons, including me [09:42] the project elader, who commits almost all the code is fourth on the top contributors list [09:42] I'm second, although I've never written any code, I've just reported some bugs and messed a bit with some blueprints [09:42] the number one commited a few lines of code and did a lot of blueprint things [09:42] so blueprints are very important if you want to get karma [09:43] Bugs are always useful for karma. That's where I get most of mine. [09:45] the majority of my karma is listed as coming from "Bazaar Branches", so code must be involved somehow [09:45] maybe it's just the act of registering a branch though [09:45] IIRC only branch registrations get you karma, right. [09:46] shouldn't that be changed? [09:46] I guess it's hard to quantify commits. [09:48] but the amount of karma you get for simple blueprint edits is insanely high [09:48] if that would be lowered a bit and you'd get karma for a commit based on the numer of lines [09:49] (not 1 line = x karma, but 0-20 lines = x karma) === asac_ is now known as asac [10:18] mrevell: hi, no « good » news for me heh ? :) [10:18] Zic: Let me poke someone [10:19] thanks === kiko-zzz is now known as kiko [11:01] Gooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders! [11:04] Zic: Can you remind me of when you made the change, please? [11:04] mrevell: 3 days now, iirc [11:05] Zic: So, Saturday? [11:05] saturday afternoon I believe [11:06] Zic: One of my colleagues in our sysadmin team is going to manually review the queue of email address changes. With any luck, your email address will be working again today, but if not hopefully tomorrow. [11:06] mrevell: thanks for time you spend for my problem :) [11:07] Zic: No problem! [11:08] cprov: So it was a race condition over more than 11 hours...? [11:09] wgrant: no, I'm comment it again ... the version 0.8.6.release.e+x264svn20071224+faad2.6.1-0ubuntu3 was almost certainly uploaded *before* the override was done and stuck in UNAPPROVED queue. [11:09] hey mpt! [11:09] cprov: Ohhh, right, that makes sense. [11:10] So it's bug #180218. [11:10] Launchpad bug 180218 in soyuz "override mismatch race needs to be fixed" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180218 [11:10] wgrant: let me check the timestamps [11:11] It was a bit over a month before release, so it could have been beta freeze. [11:12] cprov: Yep, Hardy was frozen earlier that day for BetaFreeze. [11:12] That explains it. [11:12] Sorry for the dupe. [11:12] wgrant: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+queue?queue_state=3&queue_text=vlc&start=60 [11:12] wgrant: the upload was in UNAPPROVED since April 12th [11:13] Codehosting is very slow, and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.intrepid/files is persistently returning "Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server." for me. Is something up? [11:13] Yes, that explains it :( [11:17] wgrant: nice, I've dupped it. Thanks for the report, it was also a opportunity to document the investigation procedure and check if it can be done entirely via UI. [11:19] It might be nice to have SPR/BPR queue timestamps visible somewhere rather than having to poke through the queues and make educated guesses, but it's probably possible now. [11:25] cprov: Any idea when that will be fixed? It's unfortunate that it will only happen soon before releases, as it means we'll rarely be able to fix it. [11:27] wgrant: it's very unlikely that it will be fixed before August, I'm sorry. [11:27] cprov: OK. [11:39] Can I gently poke someone to my question which has been idle for a little while now ;) https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/35165 [11:41] Laney: sorry that we still haven't got an answer for you. i really hope we'll be able to resolve this within the next few days [11:41] intellectronica: Okey dokey, thank you [11:55] intellectronica, do we know what the problem is? [11:56] intellectronica, IS confirmed that we are indeed receiving the email in the DC [11:56] kiko: we don't. i know that we do receive the email, but not why it's not being processed [11:56] intellectronica, okay, thanks. === kiko is now known as kiko-afk [12:18] hi there. Is it possible to transfer or somehow reregister a project on launchpad? [12:19] we thought about moving stuff to launchpad but realized that there is already a project registered for it. but not by the real devs [12:22] url's like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~joostvb/mailman/pgp-smime/changes show an error: "there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server". for about an hour now. [12:24] perhaps the fact http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ is malfunctioning should be added to the channel's topic... [12:24] mwhudson_, ^ LH has been getting worse the past few days [12:24] joostvb, yes, it probably should, but, AFAIK, it's being worked on, and should be fixed soon [12:24] beuno: a, thanks [12:27] icy: you can get ownership transferred [12:28] icy: just ask a question on the launchpad project [12:28] icy: those get answered by the admins, who have the ability to change the ownership of the projects [12:32] ok so I file a question under "answers" to request transfer of ownership. how do I make sure the admins get hold of it? [12:33] I mean, they surely don't track every question posted in any project === mrevell is now known as mrevell-lunch [12:36] icy: di 24 13:28 < thumper> icy: just ask a question on the launchpad project [12:38] joostvb: sorry but I may have misunderstood it [12:39] should I ask the question _here_, stating the projectname or on launchpad.net on the project page? [12:39] icy: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad <- i guess that's where you should ask your question [12:40] ah, thank you for making that clear :) [12:41] np :) [12:50] asac: can you please look/test/upload flash 10 to hardy backports? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=flashplugin-nonfree is the revu link [12:51] damn [12:51] ignore the above please === salgado-afk is now known as salgado === kiko-afk is now known as kiko [13:06] hi, bazaar doesn't work at the moment [13:07] can someone confirm this [13:07] Dauerbaustelle: can't works is a bit too vague. can you give an specific example? [13:07] s/works/work/ [13:08] now, the online bazaar.launchpad.net/~user/branch interface doesnt work [13:09] "Please try again" and so on :P [13:14] Dauerbaustelle: it's being worked on, and should be fixed soon [13:14] Thx - what does "soon" mean? [13:14] 10 minutes? An hour? One day? [13:14] Dauerbaustelle: dunno, beuno told me about it [13:15] Dauerbaustelle: i believe it has been broken for a couple of hours now [13:15] O__o [13:16] * joostvb goes afk, enjoying the sun. lp is broken anyway :) [13:16] :D [13:16] hf [13:20] beuno, why do you say codebrowse is meant to be down? [13:20] now, it works [13:21] Yes [13:21] two minutes ago it didn't work [13:21] \o/ [13:21] \m/ [13:21] ;) [13:24] kiko, I didn't... :/ [13:24] just said it was being worked on, and that it's been misbehaving the past few days [13:25] okay. that's weird, definitely [13:25] Sometimes, Launchpad really sucks [13:27] Dauerbaustelle, it's just been slow the past few days. It's not the general case [13:27] at all [13:27] heh [13:27] beune, now this wasn't the first time [13:27] Dauerbaustelle: here's a beer. drink up [13:27] and not Launchpad in general, just codebrowse, a specific app [13:28] (it's the only reasonable thing to do when the part of launchpad you require breaks when you want to use it) [13:28] Dauerbaustelle, are you talking about codebrowse, or lp.net itself? [13:28] Hobbsee: Oh, thanks [13:28] kiko: Now, about launchpad-bazaar in general [13:28] Dauerbaustelle: your'e welcome. [13:29] Dauerbaustelle, I don't understand "in general" -- I need specifics to be able to fix problems :) [13:29] kiko: Well, I'll tell you about all my problems xD [13:30] hi all. i used the ppa to build a package, but it has the same name as an existing ubuntu package. is there some way i can specifiy to install from ppa? [13:30] kiko, sometimes (p.e. 2 or 3 weeks ago), lp bzr pushing didn't work, code browsing didn't work; merging doesn't work right way.... [13:31] Dauerbaustelle, during our announced Hardy upgrade outage? [13:31] Kamping_Kaiser, you can specify a specific version. [13:31] Kamping_Kaiser: make the version number higher than the ubuntu one. [13:32] Hobbsee, i thought i did. gues i'll have to try again [13:32] kiko, I don't know which time this was but I remember that we thought of migrating our project to another bzr host / version management application because Launchpad didn't work anymore [13:33] but I remember that such problems where there even before [13:34] Dauerbaustelle, I don't know of any of this. I do know we had some planned and announced downtime for a hardy upgrade last week. [13:34] Dauerbaustelle, if you don't tell us about problems you're having we can't ensure you get a good experience! [13:35] kiko, I promise that I'll do in future ) [13:35] :) [13:35] Kamping_Kaiser: "specify a specific version": apt-get install foo/1.1.0+ppa1 (or whatever) [13:35] thanks! :) [13:35] kiko: are you saying we should complain in here as soon as we see issues in launchpad, even if it's just slowness? [13:35] though not necessary if the version is higher [13:35] cjwatson, i'll give that a crack, thank you [13:35] Kamping_Kaiser: erm, sorry, I meant foo=1.1.0+ppa1 not foo/1.1.0+ppa1 [13:36] see apt-get(8) [13:36] laga: as long as you complain efficiently, it appears so. [13:36] yay. [13:36] laga, depends on what you mean by slowness. if it's something which is stopping you from getting your work done, then sure. if it's mild or transient or perpetual then it's harder to tell whether it's a problem on our end or on yours [13:36] laga: however, you have to find positive stuff about launchpad as well, so you don't appaer to be slagging it all the time, so you won't just get ignored. [13:36] Hobbsee: i know. [13:37] cjwatson, foo=blah worked , thank you again :) [13:37] i love the PPAs. (complaint++;) [13:37] now, bzr works, everythings fine :D [13:37] I'll report all my probs in future, promised - cu all! Have a nice day [13:43] Hobbsee, you are very precise. :) [13:43] kiko: hmm? [13:44] hmm what! [13:45] kiko: well, a) what do you mean? and b) is that a good thing, or a bad thing? [13:45] it is a good thing [13:46] In package versioning is version 1.1~ppa1 superceded by version 1.1? I think I've seen that but wouldn't be definitely sure about it. [13:47] bimberi: yes. [13:47] assuming i've got the correct meaning of superceeded. [13:47] and the correct spelling. :) [13:47] kiko: right. [13:47] :) [13:54] spelling: superseded [13:54] (in British English too!) [13:55] bimberi: you can check the answer to that kind of question like this: [13:55] $ dpkg --compare-versions 1.1~ppa1 lt 1.1; echo $? [13:55] 0 [13:55] 0 means "comparison is true", non-0 means "comparison is false" [13:55] cjwatson: sigh. we australians appear to suck at spelling, then. [13:55] * Hobbsee waves south to bimberi [13:55] Hobbsee: almost nobody gets that one right ... [13:56] cjwatson: thanks [13:56] cjwatson: ahhh. [13:56] British people are particularly bad at it because the s vs. c change is so prevalent elsewhere [13:56] superceded is ok aiui [13:56] bimberi: no, it's wrong [13:56] it's based on an incorrect guess that the etymology is like other -cede words; in fact it comes from Latin sedere [13:57] cjwatson: ah, righto then. [13:58] * bimberi waves south to Hobbsee [13:58] I live in Armidale now :) [13:58] bimberi: ahh, nice! === eMxyzptlk is now known as eMxyzptlk[away] [14:19] * bimberi double-took, was confused for a while, but then found out that 0 means _true_ for 'dpkg --compare-versions' [14:20] I'm too used to python [14:26] Argh, and cjwatson said that! (missed it). Back to lurking then. === jordi_ is now known as jordi === kiko is now known as kiko-phone === jkan1 is now known as jkang === Zic is now known as Zic[NRV] === Zic[NRV] is now known as Zic === EdwinGrub is now known as EdwinGrubbs [16:27] does launchpad have rss feeds for branch commits? [16:29] Suigintou: looks like it does [16:32] ahh, found it, had to look for the atom icon :) [16:35] makes it easier to integrate a CI/build server === kiko-phone is now known as kiko [17:08] Suigintou, yeah, exactly === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch === prateeksaxena is now known as prtk [17:30] Hello! I am trying to push a branch into launchpad, but I am getting an error - Permission denied (publickey). [17:30] bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: please check connectivity and permissions (and try -Dhpss if further diagnosis is required) [17:30] I have made my SSH key and have updated launchpad but i am still getting the error. I am a n00b. Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong [17:32] prtk, have you done: "bzr launchpad-login username" yet? [17:33] beuno: no [17:34] prtk, try setting that with your LP username [17:34] do you have other SSH keys? [17:34] beuno: Just have one! "bzr launchpad-login prtksxna" returns nothing [17:35] prtk, that's a one time thing you have to set [17:35] prtk, can you try again now? [17:36] I did samething again [17:42] try committing [17:42] How do I attach a remote bug db url? [17:42] or pushing [17:42] for a bug report [17:43] never mind [17:45] no, actually mind [17:45] The upstream project has to be registered? [17:46] cyberix: yes, and then you register a new bugtracker in https://edge.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/+newbugtracker [17:46] But I'm sure GNOME is registered [17:46] :-D [17:46] I just can't find it from the bug ui [17:47] prtk: did bzr push work for you after beuno's instruction? [17:47] matsubara: no :( [17:47] matsubara: Someone at #bzr is helping me out... [17:48] prtk: cool. once you have a solution can you tell me? I'm about to create a FAQ for that on launchpad [17:48] I search for gnome and I get 40+ pages of results [17:48] matsubara: Sure [17:48] What am I supposed to do [17:48] matsubara: It'll be something really stupid though, I am a big n00b [17:49] prtk: no problem. I've seen others asking the same question here, so having it as FAQ won't hurt :-) [17:49] matsubara: ok [17:50] cyberix: do you have the remote bug url? [17:50] Where can I find out information on what do project drivers can do and such? The search bar just directs me to "SprintDrivers" always [17:51] matsubara: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=539990 [17:51] Gnome bug 539990 in gtk "Support Freedesktop.org Clipboard Specification" [Minor,Unconfirmed] [17:51] matsubara: I'm trying to link that up with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/242722 [17:51] Launchpad bug 242722 in gtk+2.0 "Support Freedesktop.org Clipboard Specification" [Undecided,New] [17:51] cyberix: click the Also affects: + Project link and add the url there [17:52] There is no project in Launchpad named "http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=539990". Please search for it as it may be registered with a different name. [17:52] Gnome bug 539990 in gtk "Support Freedesktop.org Clipboard Specification" [Minor,Unconfirmed] [17:55] mrevell: do we have any docs on what drivers can do? can you help out vadi2 [17:56] hey matsubara [17:56] So the new bug actions still isn't live? [17:56] hey vadi2 [17:56] cyberix: worked for me [17:56] hello [17:56] Wow [17:56] cyberix: if you reload the bug you'll see the bugwath there. [17:57] vadi2: We don't have a specific document that says what project drivers can do. Our new user guide, which I'm working on, covers what drivers can do in different contexts. I'll file a bug now saying that we need a doc describing the role of a driver and then I'll write one. [17:57] It seems that it worked, it just gave me an error message [17:57] :-P [17:58] mrevell: ok. I thought being in a team that's the driver of a project would give me some administrative powers (like for example I need to change if a branch is mirrored/hosted, 'cause the owner messed up), but it's not letting me. so I'm a bit confused [17:58] cyberix: right, that's because you were using the ubuntu/+bug/242722 url and the bug had been re-targeted to the correct sourcepackage context [18:00] cyberix: of course, you shouldn't have to know that :-) [18:02] Well, atleast it works now. [18:02] Thanks [18:03] you're welcome === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [18:16] matsubara: The error seems to persist :( [18:18] matsubara: we've confirmed the public key is the same on prtk's system and what launchpad claims. Can you confirm for me it's actually in place too? (There used to be a cronjob that took care of things iirc) === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado [18:36] i am trying to create a package for the new version of the Electric Sheep [18:37] we are having trouble with gconftool [18:50] matsubara: Are you there? [18:51] prtk: yep [18:51] matsubara: Problem resolved [18:51] prtk: great. how did you solve? [18:52] matsubara: a) My SSH key weren't in the right place (/Users/prateeksaxena/.ssh) and didnt have the correct name ("id_dsa.pub") [18:53] matsubara: My public key did not match with what I had uploaded [18:53] matsubara: Being new to SSH keys I had no idea what to do with them [18:55] right prtk. thanks for letting me know. I thought it was related with the launchpad-login bzr login. Since it's not, I don't think a FAQ will help in that case. https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+faq/114 already covers setting up ssh keys, etc. [18:57] matsubara: ok [19:01] matsubara: one thing that I didn't catch onto early on was that prtk didn't interpret ~ as meaning the homedir. So there was /Users/prateeksaxena/myrpoject/.ssh/ [19:02] matsubara: I don't know how common that is under the other people having problems [19:13] LarstiQ: thanks. Updated wiki.u.c/LaunchpadStepByStepInstructions to be explicit about it. [19:19] matsubara: cool, thanks [19:19] matsubara: is there specific reasoning for dsa instead of rsa keys? [19:21] LarstiQ: don't know. [19:22] matsubara: ok, wonder how that has affected the recent Debian openssh key debacle [19:22] * LarstiQ heads off [19:35] LarstiQ, not that I know of -- I think it was just what the person who wrote the doc first used. === salgado is now known as salgado-afk [20:44] hi, are there currently running two different versions of edge at the same time? on most load everything seems to be ok, [20:45] but on every 5th load or so the page layout is weird and it takes signifivcantly longer to load === matsubara is now known as matsubara-afk [20:50] thekorn, yes, we are [20:50] thekorn, we're trying out a version of storm on the edge servers [20:50] we're rotating it in slowly [20:50] but will probably move over entirely soon [20:51] kiko, ok, thanks [20:52] thekorn, thanks very much -- and please keep hammering. we're aware it will be a bit slower right now, but we've got fixes queued for that as well [20:55] kiko: is it storm that is slower atm? [20:56] LarstiQ, no, it's the way we're using it -- the pages are optimized in certain ways that are a bit dumb, but we couldn't fix them all at once [20:56] I should know the optimizations are dumb -- I pioneered them :) === fta_ is now known as fta [21:09] hi guys [21:10] why apport upload 16Mb of bugreport to just let me know that somebody else have already got the same crash ? [21:18] visik7, how would we know if it's the same crash? [21:18] kiko: the title [21:18] the suggestion [21:19] you know? [21:19] yeah, right === salgado-afk is now known as salgado [21:39] kiko: hmm, now you make me curious :) [21:39] launcpad seems slow.. [21:39] someone know why ? [21:39] s/launcpad/launchpad/ [21:40] Looks like apache is serving "app servers are dead" pages. :( [21:41] LarstiQ, only because you know I'm really not a serious engineer :) [21:42] And it's back! :) [21:42] Seems like images are loading extraordinarily slowly. [21:44] jkakar, is it just images, or everything? [21:45] kiko: Everything is slower than usual, but images are *very* slow. [21:45] kiko: Lemme try again, one sec. === eMxyzptlk[away] is now known as eMxyzptlk [21:48] kiko: Page text loaded in 1:23, images finished (apparently from launchpadlibrarian.net) in 2:48 for https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/landscape/+bug/241686. [21:48] jkakar: Error: This bug is private [21:49] kiko: There is no load on the 2.5Mb internet connection here (in the UK) other than IRC. [21:59] jkakar, you in the UK? === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [22:03] mthaddon: Yep, in lovely lovely Leeds. [22:04] jkakar, Leeds, cool! always people wandering around in the freezing cold with only a t-shirt on - fantastic [22:04] mthaddon: Hehe, you've been here apparently. :) [22:04] (well, not _only_ a t-shirt, but you know what I mean) [22:05] mthaddon: The skirts are so short these days that it often looks like only a t-shirt. :) [22:06] that's true - leeds is famous for that too === mwhudson__ is now known as mwhudson [23:28] jkakar, permanent move to uk or just visiting? [23:31] Rinchen: Just visiting. My sister is in Leeds and I was already here for a sprint, so decided to stick around for a bit to hang out with her. [23:31] awesome [23:31] I lost some good friends to leeds for year [23:31] s [23:31] they finally moved and resurfaced [23:31] not sure what it is about that place ;-) [23:32] hi Rinchen -- how was the camping? [23:32] hi there bac [23:32] it was good for the first day [23:33] then the wife and son caught a nasty cold and we had to come home [23:33] where were you? [23:33] I got to do only 10 miles of hiking :-( [23:33] Glacier Basin, Rocky Mtn National Park [23:33] my only camping experience in the RMNF was with my crazy uncle and torrential rains [23:34] nothing like being cooped up in a tent for a weekend with a crazy person [23:36] hehe [23:36] indeed [23:36] The hiking was good while it lasted. [23:37] It was a good 20 degrees cooler though [23:37]