[03:20] <jj_P289> hi im not sure where to handle pushing this request so im asking here!
[03:21] <jj_P289> im having trouble with the website forums area it lets me login but then when i go to post a thread it throws me out and asks to relogin?
[03:28] <bimberi> jj_P289: is that at ubuntuforums.org?  if so, try #ubuntuforums
[03:28] <jj_P289> thanks
[03:28] <bimberi> np
[07:25] <pwnguin> hi -- I've got a firefox bug I can duplicate, but I can't get apport to actually report it
[07:26] <pwnguin> s/bug/segfault/
[07:27] <techno_freak> pwnguin, nothing in your /var/crash/ ?
[07:27] <pwnguin> appears empty
[07:27] <sbeattie> pwnguin: you've got apport enabled?
[07:28] <pwnguin> sbeattie: well, i dont recall explicitly disabling it
[07:28] <pwnguin> its possible i might have
[07:28] <pwnguin> it loves to pop up over failed package installs
[07:29] <sbeattie> pwnguin: (1) what's the contents of /etc/default/apport and (2) what does gconftool -g /apps/update-notifier/show_apport_crashes report
[07:30] <pwnguin> (2) true
[07:30] <pwnguin> hmm
[07:30] <pwnguin> enable=0
[07:31] <pwnguin> should i dpkg-reconfigure that or just edit directly?
[07:31] <sbeattie> I, err, end up editing it directly.
[07:31] <sbeattie> That's also the recommended course of action in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[07:32] <sbeattie> once you've enabled it, do sudo /etc/init.d/apport start
[07:35] <pwnguin> hm
[07:35] <pwnguin> do i need to tweak ulimits or something?
[07:36] <sbeattie> shouldn't think so.
[07:38] <pwnguin> note to self: dont just delete the contents of apport-ignore.xml
[07:38] <sbeattie> heh
[07:38] <sbeattie> cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern should report something like |/usr/share/apport/apport %p %s %c
[07:38] <pwnguin> this actually causes an exception in apport itself
[07:39] <pwnguin> it drops a brick when theres no xml in that xml file
[07:39] <pwnguin> and of course, now it works
[07:39] <pwnguin> or?
[07:40] <pwnguin> apparently this is a very big crash
[07:42] <sbeattie> Yeah, firefox is, uh, weighty, and so it will probably take apport a bit to process it.
[07:43] <pwnguin> this isnt good
[07:43] <pwnguin> all the threads are claiming to be at a syscall
[07:43] <pwnguin> wait and poll
[07:45] <sbeattie> heh. Consider yourself stresstesting apport.
[07:45] <pwnguin> not apport
[07:45] <pwnguin> firefox
[07:45] <pwnguin> apports currently uploading to somewhere
[07:45] <sbeattie> Ah
[07:46] <pwnguin> thats cute
[07:47] <pwnguin> when reporting a bug in firefox
[07:47] <pwnguin> it opens...
[07:47] <pwnguin> firefox
[07:48] <sbeattie> lol
[07:48] <sbeattie> Hrm.
[07:49] <pwnguin> well hell, what version of ff do i have?
[07:49] <pwnguin> there's 15 dups of this, and one is claiming it's fixed in 3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[07:50] <sbeattie> what's apt-cache policy firefox say?
[07:50] <pwnguin> 3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1
[07:51] <sbeattie> Hrm, that's the 3.0 final release.
[07:51] <pwnguin> it might not actually be a dupe
[07:52] <sbeattie> Yeah, I'm not sure how smart the launchpad/apport crash dupe detector is.
[07:53] <pwnguin> well im not the only guy to find this
[07:53] <pwnguin> exact bug
[07:53] <pwnguin> if i file an apport bug as a dupe, where do the coredumps go?
[07:54] <sbeattie> Hrm, don't know.
[07:55] <pwnguin> i think i'll file and mark as dupe myself
[07:55] <pwnguin> just to be on the safe side
[07:58] <mouz> Saving https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080624 takes ages.
[07:59] <pwnguin> the wiki's pretty slow lately
[07:59] <mouz> yes: it is the whole wiki
[08:02] <mouz> it does not promote using the wiki
[08:06] <pwnguin> theres no mention of it on the ubuntu-doc mailing list =(
[08:13] <sbeattie> if you use editmoin, you'll see there's a lot of meta info in the page.
[08:13] <sbeattie> I suspect in every page, and that bloat quite likely slows down the save.
[08:15] <pwnguin> alrighty. well thanks for the help sbeattie
[08:15] <sbeattie> pwnguin: sure thing, and thanks for taking the effort to file the bug, even if it turns out to have been a dupe.
[08:15] <pwnguin> dupe or not
[08:15] <pwnguin> its still there
[08:16] <pwnguin> i will destroy this bug
[08:16] <pwnguin> (unless it turns out to be the javascript engine.)
[08:17] <pwnguin> sbeattie: ive got a question about dups for ya. is it common practice to mark dups invalid ("thanks for playing") and not indicate the bug it's a dupe of?
[08:20] <sbeattie> I'm not that much of an expert on how dupes are handled, but in most instances that I've seen, the bug it's a dupe of is referred to, so that people know where to comment appropriately.
[08:20] <pwnguin> because thats happened to me at least twice
[08:20] <sbeattie> I hope it's not a common practice, because it seems rather unhelpful.
[08:21] <pwnguin> indeed.
[08:21] <techno_freak> pwnguin, on the dupe bug, we mark it as dupe of.. so the parent bug will be referred for all improvements in future
[08:21] <snadge> didnt you know? the easiest way to get rid of bugs is to mark them as duplicates then not reference the duplicate ;)
[08:21] <pwnguin> hahah
[08:21] <techno_freak> heh
[08:21] <pwnguin> thats funny
[08:21] <pwnguin> because when i complained, seb said there were so many bugs, and they were so busy
[08:22] <pwnguin> but i can mark it myself
[08:22] <pwnguin> fun fact: there was no duplicate
[08:22] <snadge> yeah the other one is.. people have to care, the amount of times i've hit a bug.. found a report, and seen nothing but posts of tears and anguish.. is beyond laughable.. maybe i'm talking about ubuntu here ;)
[08:24] <pwnguin> what would be neat is what i call the quad dup
[08:24] <pwnguin> quad dup murge
[08:25] <pwnguin> two bugs in LP with independent bugs upstream. upstream marks one a dup of the other, LP could infer that it's two bugs are also dups
[08:26] <pwnguin> but i think bugs with upstream report links are still a vast minorty
[08:29] <steve555> Hi everybody.
[08:33] <steve555> What's happening on this channel?
[13:36] <joumetal> Is bug 206607 fix released?
[13:56] <gnomefreak> joumetal: not yet as i recall
[14:30] <dholbach> pedro_: if you have the time, could you check out http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RunningBugJam and see if it makes more sense now? (workflow, presentation, etc?
[14:30] <dholbach> it's still pretty brief, but I hope clearer
[14:30] <pedro_> dholbach: ii'm on a conf call now, i'll check it in a bit ;-)
[14:31] <dholbach> pedro_: thanks a lot
[14:56] <pedro_> dholbach: looks pretty good!
[14:56] <pedro_> dholbach: do you think it's good to talk a bit (during the presentation) about bug importances?
[14:56] <pedro_> difference between low and wishlist for example
[14:56] <pedro_> just a quickie
[14:57] <dholbach> pedro_: sure - most people won't be allowed to set it, but it doesn't hurt explaining it
[14:57] <pedro_> dholbach: well it's the same with some of the importances, like the wontfix one
[14:57] <dholbach> also that it's more of a tool to do prioritisation
[14:57] <dholbach> *nod*
[14:57] <dholbach> or 'triaged'
[14:57] <pedro_> right
[15:03] <thekorn> dholbach, what about adding http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpnAyzYXvwU  to the 'material' section
[15:04] <dholbach> thekorn: nice idea!
[15:24] <sbarjola> hi
[15:57] <tundra_nu2> ....
[16:34] <joumetal> I'll be happy if bug 230308 gets triaged.
[16:47] <joumetal> asac ping
[16:48] <asac> joumetal: ?
[16:48] <joumetal> asac bug 230308
[16:50] <asac> joumetal: i have no clue and havent had time to look into it
[16:54] <joumetal> asac I hope my last comment is useful. However editing the .jar file produces errors. then firefox doesn't start at all.
[16:56] <asac> joumetal: whats the finishe keyword.URL setting?
[16:56] <asac> e.g. the broken one?
[16:57] <asac> could you please add that info too?
[17:00] <joumetal> wrong keyword url is just keyword.URL=http:
[18:37] <bdmurray> sbeattie: so bug 221673 requires alsa-lib and alsa-plugins is that right?
[18:38] <sbeattie> bdmurray: yes
[19:09] <bdmurray> zul: Can you elaborate on step 3 of the test case for bug 227410?
[19:22] <bdmurray> sbeattie: do you have any idea of a test case for bug 152978?
[19:26] <sbeattie> Not really, other than trying to figure out how to get tomboy to sync over sshfs.
[19:32] <ogra> just ask popey to test it since he seems to be affected ?
[19:33] <popey> hello
[19:33]  * popey re-reads it
[19:36] <popey> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomboy/+bug/152978/comments/26
[19:36] <popey> I am not the only one getting his
[19:36] <popey> *this
[19:37] <bdmurray> Okay, we are trying to verify that it is fixed but I've no idea how to recreate the bug.  So if you could help either verify the fix in the -proposed package or provide a test case that would help us out a lot.
[19:38] <ogra> well, that comment seems to say its not fixed
[19:43] <bdmurray> ogra: which comment?
[19:43] <sbeattie> ogra: that may be, but developing a test case for those of us who usually avoid tomboy like the plague would be a great help if and when it does actually get fixed.
[19:44] <ogra> bdmurray, #26
[19:44] <ogra> bdmurray, the one popey posted above
[19:45] <popey> you want a "from cold" how to reproduce this?
[19:45] <bdmurray> popey: that'd be great as I've never used tomboy with fuse
[19:53] <bdmurray> sbeattie: there is a 8.04.1 desktop iso now?
[19:58] <yuriy> bdmurray: is there any tag currently in use for bugs without a patch but that needs to be fixed in stable release?
[19:58] <bdmurray> yuriy: those should be nominated for the release they need fixing in
[19:59] <bdmurray> rather than tagged
[19:59] <yuriy> bdmurray: OK, I wasn't sure if nominations were appropriate for bugs without a known fix
[20:00] <bdmurray> yuriy: I'm under the impression hardy-proposed is frozen now though for a bit at least.  What bug is this?
[20:01] <yuriy> bdmurray: nothing specific, trying to come up with a policy for triaging KDE3 bugs since intrepid is going to be a major change
[20:01] <yuriy> bdmurray: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2008-June/002334.html
[20:10] <yuriy> (any other comments on that welcome)
[20:12] <sbeattie> bdmurray: the last desktop 8.04.1 daily iso is 20080620
[20:14] <sbeattie> well, 8.04.1 is frozen, it's possible for slangasek to accept exceptions to the freeze, and I believe nominations can in turn be targeted for 8.04.2.
[20:27] <bdmurray> yuriy: that looks good to me
[20:45] <yuriy> bdmurray: ok, thanks. i'll change the tag to nominate for release and wikify it and start doing hug days
[20:49] <yuriy> bdmurray: although.. I don't see any way to search for bugs that have been nominated for release
[20:50] <bdmurray> yuriy: it's not a search but a different url - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+nominations
[20:51] <bdmurray> notice the hardy bit in the url
[20:52] <yuriy> bdmurray: ah, ok. that'll do
[20:52] <yuriy> I've seen that before, yet the obvious place to look was advanced search
[20:52] <yuriy> launchpad's wiring still needs some tweaking
[21:36] <bdmurray> sbeattie: are you doing any Installer verification at the moment?
[21:37] <sbeattie> yes
[21:37] <bdmurray> which one I was just going to start one
[21:39] <bdmurray> I'm going to start an OEM one and choose the UK to get two bugs!
[22:16] <sbeattie> bdmurray: you're welcome to do both oem ones
[22:16] <bdmurray> sbeattie: great, I'm on it!
[22:17] <sbeattie> bdmurray: note that the wrong ownership bug requires the live-cd image; it was fixed on the alternative image before the 8.04 release
[22:17] <bdmurray> cool, I downloaded the i386 from the 20th
[22:17] <sbeattie> oh good, my download is still finishing.
[22:18] <sbeattie> I've got umpteen daily alternative snapshots, but somehow managed to miss downloading a daily live build
[23:47] <sbeattie> bdmurray: have you looked at the samba fix yet?
[23:47] <bdmurray> sbeattie: nope
[23:51] <bdmurray> sbeattie: looking at it again I think I have a system I can test on