=== cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson === Zic_ is now known as Zic === stdin_ is now known as stdin === asac_ is now known as asac [10:08] @schedule jakarta [10:08] Belutz: Schedule for Asia/Jakarta: Current meeting: Bugs for Hugs Day | 24 Jun 18:00: Asia and Oceania Ubuntu Membership Approval Board | 24 Jun 22:00: Server Team | 25 Jun 01:00: LoCo Council | 26 Jun 00:00: QA Team | 26 Jun 05:00: Platform Team [10:08] oh there is a meeting today? [10:09] jsgotangco, yup [10:09] cool :) [10:09] jsgotangco, shall we move the meeting to Plurk? :) [10:09] lol [10:09] lol [10:23] @now [10:23] Rafik: Current time in Etc/UTC: June 24 2008, 09:23:50 - Current meeting: Bugs for Hugs Day [11:54] * elky lurks around for about 6 minutes... [11:56] e-jat === ccm_ is now known as ccm [11:57] Belutz: elky: TheMuso: persia: lifeless: Hi [11:57] Greetings./ [11:57] Good evening [11:58] amachu, hi [11:59] i suppose i should find the agenda page... [11:59] hello every body [11:59] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania [11:59] hi [11:59] elky: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania?highlight=%28oceania%29 [12:00] thanks :) [12:00] here we go [12:00] Welcome every body to this meeting of Asia Oceania Membership Council === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Asia and Oceania Ubuntu Membership Approval Board | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 24 Jun 15:00 UTC: Server Team | 24 Jun 18:00 UTC: LoCo Council | 25 Jun 17:00 UTC: QA Team | 25 Jun 22:00 UTC: Platform Team [12:01] zarul, yes [12:01] evening all .. [12:01] Shall we start calling participants as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania [12:01] ready [12:01] mypapit? [12:01] zarul, im not sure .. [12:01] he is not applying? [12:02] nbliang: Please introduce yourself to the Board, explaing your activities [12:02] ok [12:02] Hi, I am Nicholas Ng from Malaysia. I am an evangelist and supporter for Ubuntu and actively involved in educating and promoting the usage of Ubuntu to public, organizations, businesses and government [12:02] maybe he did not notice bout the meeting [12:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nbliang [wiki] & https://launchpad.net/~nbliang [launchpad] [12:03] I am also the co-founder and a committee member of Kuching Open Source Community (http://www.kuchingosc.org/) where we introduce, promote and support Ubuntu to public around Sarawak, mainly in Kuching, Malaysia [12:03] welcome BuffaloSoldier [12:03] welcome BuffaloSoldier [12:03] I have been involved with Ubuntu for few years now and do contribute as much as I could during my free or spare time. My contributions includes (1) translation via Launchpad for Malay language, (2) promoting & supporting Ubuntu usage in Malaysia, especially in Sarawak by giving talks, demonstration and installation and so forth. You can see my contribution list from my Launchpad (https://launchpad [12:03] .net/~nbliang/+participation) [12:03] hi :) [12:03] https://launchpad.net/~nbliang/+participation [12:04] jsgotangco, hi :) [12:04] also a member of Malaysia Ubuntu Team [12:04] ubuntu-my [12:04] * BuffaloSoldier here to give my support to nbliang [12:04] thanks BuffaloSoldier [12:05] nbliang you seem very active. do you hold events often? [12:05] +1 from me [12:05] he has been with ubuntu Malaysia since day 1 [12:05] nbliang: is that all you have to say, and shall we take it for questions now? [12:05] and should already become a member years ago [12:05] yes, i am ready for question [12:05] nbliang, what would you do if you become an ubuntu member? [12:05] i actually applied long time ago, but not my turn until last meeting, but i am sick [12:05] can cheer squads please wait until introductions and questions are done? thanks :) [12:05] nbliang: Has there been much female interest in Open Source/Linux in your area? [12:06] well, i will continue my support and providing help to public especially around my area [12:06] will follow the Ubuntu CoC as well as contribute as much as I can to Ubuntu and the community [12:06] hi, I'm here, but really tired; I'm going to pass on this meeting - sorry. [12:06] are we quorate without me? [12:07] i believe so, lifeless. go rest :) [12:07] lifeless, I think it's ok, you should have to rest [12:07] * elky hugs lifeless [12:07] k, later all [12:07] currently I am in the talk with local OEM to distribute Ubuntu in the PC [12:07] nbliang: Ok let me put it another way. What are you doing to get females interested in free/Open Source Software? [12:07] nbliang, do you cooperating with the member from KL ? [12:07] and in process of converting a local company into using Ubuntu [12:07] nbliang: Malasian Team yet to become Approve LoCo Team? [12:08] whoa... one question at a time! [12:08] to get more females coz nowadays most females are afraid of Linux [12:08] nbliang: a local company? can you be specific [12:08] ubunu-my not yet Approved LoCo Team [12:08] * elky raises an eyebrow [12:08] that's what we going to do after become member [12:08] nbliang, we may approach females in loco university .. [12:09] ok, I am in process of converting a local company "Balka Approach Sdn Bhd" to fully using Ubuntu as their hardware is quite old and they do not want to spent much $$ on updating the machines [12:09] e-jat: yes [12:10] Also, my friend's company (forgot the company name) is producing new PC (low cost) and seeking for the OS, so I am in talk with them to use Ubuntu [12:10] my local community (www.kuchingosc.org) will be providing supports on it as well [12:10] nbliang: are you with Ubuntu Malaysia since its inception? [12:10] nbliang, is that the local vendor you mentioned in your wiki? [12:11] previously when ubuntu-my doing activity in 1 of university .. got +ve feedback from the students especially the females [12:11] I am with Ubuntu Malaysia since day 1 [12:11] nbliang: thats good :-) [12:11] yes, the local vendors r in my wiki, except that not much info in there yet as i still in talk with them [12:12] i also involve with local university at East Malaysia in providing training, talk and seminar to their staff and student [12:12] can see from my wiki page [12:12] nbliang, are you also involved in development of Embun? [12:12] Yes, your wiki page is very well done, and goes into some great detail IMO. [12:13] (in my opinion) [12:13] my (and few other ubuntu-my members) next move will be getting approval for ubuntu-my to be approved LoCo Team [12:13] Belutz: not really, but i do give comments and suggestion [12:13] nbliang: what difficulty have you faced with people of Malasia in switching over to Ubuntu or GNU/ Linux? [12:13] i have mails between them [12:14] amachu_: hardware support [12:14] and well as lack of Linux knowledge [12:15] also, found out that those r well in Linux tend to not share their knowledge to others at my area [12:15] so guys are also scared? [12:15] East Malaysia [12:15] of linux, that is? [12:15] nope, Linux is fun and challenging [12:15] hi nbliang, you involved with myoss? [12:15] although i am not that techie on it but i provide good training and guidance on what i know [12:16] i am in myoss as well [12:16] currently me and ubuntu-my loco team trying to approach the ministry of education for students awareness about linux especially ubuntu [12:16] so you'd know kauru and co :) [12:16] nbliang, have you held an ubuntu release party in kuching? [12:16] yes i know kaeru [12:16] e-jat cool down [12:16] cool [12:16] :) [12:16] zarul, sorry .. [12:16] he is with our government OSCC, open source competency centre [12:17] nbliang: yeah I chat with him from time to time [12:17] over in iosn [12:17] Belutz: yes we did, if not mistaken is for 7.10 [12:17] purserj: :) [12:17] * elky notes that we need to pass a judgement. already 17 minutes gone [12:17] Belutz: not a big party as most of them not familiar with it yet [12:18] nbliang, you got +1 from me [12:18] the longest Q & A I ever see ... hehe [12:18] Belutz: tq [12:18] +1 from me [12:18] zarul: tq [12:18] hope with ubuntu membership you can keep spreading the OSS spirit in Malaysia [12:18] ofcoz i will [12:18] nbliang: you know colin charles too? [12:19] and going to get ubuntu-my approved as LoCo Team as well [12:19] i know him through e-mail, blog, etc but not personnaly [12:19] he is with MySQL atm [12:20] Ooof! I lost.. [12:20] nbliang: how deep the transaltion contribution you people do reach people? [12:20] amachu_: still a lot to do [12:20] and i am encouraging more people from MY to do the translation so that we can have Malay version of Ubuntu someday [12:20] i must admit i'm personally torn. while you seem to be doing good work, your response to TheMuso's question about women is very disheartening, as women are no more scared of linux than men are. [12:20] just to have a feeling! how do people feel in malaysia when they see Ubuntu in their language [12:21] Embun is using the Malay version, but due to not complete translation, so part of it still in EN [12:21] elky: :-) [12:21] elky: it depends on the places and the level of exposure of linux OS [12:21] elky: i mean woman around my area [12:22] well, personally, i talk to few of them about it, but they said English is better because the translation of EN to MY may lead to different meaning [12:22] i agree [12:22] nbliang: ok. are there people here to suppport you? [12:22] eg. the word "Burn" to burn a CD is hard to translate to correct meaning in MY [12:22] zarul [12:23] BuffaloSoldier: [12:23] e-jat: [12:23] they have been "huh hah" from the beginning [12:23] and all the participants are from ubuntu-my [12:23] :) [12:24] and we know each other [12:24] zarul: BuffaloSoldier: e-jat: can we know you all by Name [12:24] nbliang: ya.. ya.. witnessing them :-) [12:24] eerr... r they off? [12:24] amachu_, hi my name is Khairul Aizat Kamarudzzaman [12:24] nbliang, im still here .. [12:24] amachu_ I ma the founder of Ubuntu-my and BuffaloSoldier is in ubuntu forum team... [12:25] zarul shahrin is my full name [12:25] e-jat: good, coz u will be next :) [12:25] I am through mibbit.. [12:25] sorry for that.. [12:25] and just as side note [12:25] nbliang and ejat will be taking over the leadership of Ubuntu-my [12:25] nbliang, i'm going to give you a +1, but i really hope you take the time to be less dismissive of women in IT in the future and dont dismiss them as 'scared'. [12:25] * Belutz agree with elky [12:26] elky: that's will be one of my task to built confident for woman at my area [12:26] I think we are getting too long here [12:26] * TheMuso agrees also, +1 from me also. [12:26] because to be quite frank, if guys were not scared of linux either, there'd be alot more using it. [12:26] elky, we won't .. and we'll try out best to get them(females@women) get involve [12:26] maybe for lack of a better word [12:26] elky: it's not targetted to all woman, just that most of the girls i met never tried Linux [12:27] they know about it, but don't want to try it [12:27] nbliang, no males in my family use linux. all the women in my family do. the males dont want to try it. [12:27] +1 from me for advocacy, supporting comments, and expectation of new tasks taken to heart [12:27] elky: wow, i hope most MY girls are like that too [12:28] but my wife started to like it now [12:28] :) [12:28] nbliang, you'll be pleasantly surprised :) [12:28] hi all.. sorry if my attention span is really short today.. still at the office :) anyway, I'm Firdaus bin Aziz [12:28] persia: tq [12:28] elky: tq [12:28] sorry, but if you guys don't mind.. I would like to suggest to the board... can we vote and move to the next candidate? [12:29] We are doing so now. [12:29] +1 for nbliang [12:29] sorry guys, cause of me, the meeting is dragging up [12:29] +1 for nbliang [12:29] +1 for nbliang [12:29] BuffaloSoldier: tq [12:29] e-jat: tq [12:29] zarul: tq [12:29] It tends to help the voting be clear when only board members vote. [12:29] hmm, i'll sift back through all the chatter for the votes... [12:30] In case it was missed earlier, +1 from me. [12:30] It was +1 from me too [12:30] TheMuso: tq [12:30] Belutz: tq [12:30] :p [12:31] have been waiting for few months to get the membership [12:31] waiting is hard [12:31] +1 from me for nbliang [12:31] persia, i agree [12:31] :-) [12:31] I count five, and missing from lifeless and zakame [12:31] persia, same [12:31] lifeless is having his rest [12:32] amachu: Are you satisfied with quorum? [12:32] so, am i approved? [12:32] so I think nbliang is approved to be an Ubuntu member [12:32] tq guys / girls [12:32] elky: will not let u down in trying to convert all the girls' mind in my area [12:33] hope more of them r like u [12:33] nbliang, good to hear :) [12:33] ok we will move further [12:33] amachu123, good idea [12:33] again, tq to all [12:33] apogee ? [12:33] Congratulations nbliang [12:33] Belutz: tq [12:34] e-jat: where is he? [12:34] im here .. [12:34] I mean apogee [12:34] can't contact him though [12:34] i've already remind him through sms .. [12:35] i didnt get replied from him .. [12:35] move on to the next one, we can deal with him when/if he comes [12:35] * Belutz agree with elky [12:36] * TheMuso agrees. [12:36] err... [12:36] that person seems absent too [12:36] fenris = e-jat [12:36] i think fenris == e-jat [12:36] yes he is [12:36] sorry ... [12:36] is my nick confusing [12:36] e-jat is mentioned on his wiki page. [12:37] i was reading the meeting agenda, where his nick is allegedly fenris.... :Þ [12:37] elky, it was in webchat ... in here ... thats nick belong to others . [12:37] elky: Yeah I know, but I'm reading the wiki page. :) [12:37] :( [12:38] thanks thekorn [12:38] TheMuso, i missed that bit :( [12:38] e-jat: It's a good idea to strive for a consistent nick, so we can know who you are, and better see everything. [12:38] TheMuso, [12:38] * Belutz will be right back for 10 minutes, need to do my prayer [12:38] persia, in here ill use e-jat [12:38] u mean .. for my wiki n launchpad ? [12:39] e-jat: As a goal, yes. For now, it's not important. [12:39] ok, lets keep this discussion streamlined for Belutz's sake. e-jat would you like to give a quick explanation of yourself? :) [12:39] Hi, I am Khairul Aizat Kamarudzzaman from Malaysia. I am IT exec and supporter for Ubuntu and actively involved in educating and promoting the usage of Ubuntu to public, organizations, businesses and government [12:40] * elky hands amachu_ a voucher for one internet. [12:40] my wiki page, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/fenris [12:40] elky: :-) [12:40] my launchpad, https://launchpad.net/~mohdfenris [12:41] my participant & contribution : https://launchpad.net/~mohdfenris/+participation [12:41] Currently i was assign to manage Ubuntu Malaysia Website, Forums & Activity [12:41] e-jat: how long have you been doing this? [12:42] yah, e-jat is one of the members to manage the website, forum & activity [12:42] oct 2007 [12:42] e-jat, what is one activity you've done recently that you can describe for us? [12:42] since the domain up back [12:43] recently ... i spreading the knowledge to my big familys, friends and government officer [12:43] e-jat: government officer? [12:43] be specific [12:44] it officer in Ministry of education MY and their CIO [12:44] cool! what about expos or conferences, do you do much at those? [12:44] then i planning with them to organize event with the loco schools n university & college [12:45] * Belutz is back [12:45] elky, actually the cio was my dad .. [12:45] he is quite active in the ubuntu-my forum [12:45] e-jat, details details ;) [12:45] so we always having discussion at home if he having problems [12:46] details for the event : previously we held an event at UiTM [12:46] e-jat: beyond that? [12:46] e-jat, what part of malaysia are you in? [12:46] elky, im in KL [12:46] kuala lumpur .. [12:47] amachu_, im also Running & manage Ubuntu Destkop & Server for internal office for task/working environment [12:47] aha. you might know someone who wants to help the singapore team get on their feet? [12:47] e-jat also help in organizing the ubuntu-my activities [12:47] in my company were im working .. [12:47] such as samba n ldap using ubuntu server [12:47] elky: singapore and KL is very far away [12:47] and proposing to my client [12:47] unless they are online [12:48] using ubuntu for server solutions [12:48] yup i haven't heard a thing from singapore team [12:48] zarul, i know that. but KL is quite better connected than other parts of malaysia ;) [12:48] elky: SG team? i wll be going to SG end of this month, maybe can meet with them, but still depend on my schedule [12:48] im also [12:49] e-jat, what will you do if you get an ubuntu membership? [12:49] nbliang, #ubuntu-sg has had e-jat hiding in there for a few days now ;) [12:49] this is why i asked him [12:49] elky, i was waiting to know the SG loco team [12:49] i see, will talk to e-jat on that [12:50] Belutz, Help Ubuntu community to develop better Operating System in order to give end user the best experience. [12:50] e-jat, they are missing any active people unfortunately. the irc council is waiting for a recipient to give the channel to [12:50] e-jat, also a regular person in #ubuntu-id :) [12:50] hope to see 50% of Malaysian use linux as main Operating System. [12:50] e-jat: or more [12:50] esspecially in primary n 2ndary schools [12:51] Belutz, the South East Asia teams do alot of work together then? [12:51] e-jat, what do you think about ubuntu-my should malaysia and sarawak have different team or not? [12:51] Belutz, 1 team .. [12:51] elky, not yet, but i have been chatting with e-jat since a long time [12:52] Belutz: although we r separated by South China Sea, but we can work until 1 team [12:52] elky, but we plan to do .. [12:52] within ID , MY and SG [12:52] excellent. inter-team cooperation always helps alot [12:52] it's not easy to manage a lot of islans in Indonesia :( [12:52] s/islans/islands [12:52] Belutz, ubuntu-my will remain one [12:52] with 2 leaders [12:52] one will be managing Sabah/Sarawak [12:53] zarul, that would be a bad idea in my opinion [12:53] and the other person in Peninsular [12:53] and anything that needs a whole team decision [12:53] the two leaders will have to talk with each other [12:53] zarul, we'll discuss that later [12:53] ok [12:53] Belutz: we are deviating [12:53] :-) [12:53] actually not leader in ubuntu-my, but leader to manage the area [12:53] amachu_, yes :) [12:53] amachu I agreed [12:54] ok, i think it's time to vote [12:54] can i vote? +1 for e-jat [12:54] (please only council members, so we dont get lost!) [12:54] one more question from me [12:54] Belutz, sure? [12:54] e-jat, how many ubuntu events have you held in KL ? [12:54] e-jat: i felt you wiki should have reflected more [12:55] nbliang: its upto the Board :-) [12:55] amachu_: I agree. [12:55] Belutz, since im quite new to my community [12:55] hehee... k, just wantd to give support to my team [12:55] just 1 : http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumardi/sets/72157603969964943/ some photo [12:56] nbliang: i understand [12:56] plan to have more in da future .. [12:56] e-jat, how many participants in that event? [12:56] almost 100+ [12:56] great [12:57] looks more gals in the event [12:57] amachu_, i think he covered what he needed, but some fluffing so we didnt have to go on a click frenzy would have been nice [12:58] * Belutz give e-jat +1 for his contributions to ubuntu-my team, looking forward for more events from ubuntu-my :-) [12:58] everyone ready to vote? [12:58] yep [12:58] Belutz, tq .. we will .. and if possible we arrange combine my n id .. [12:59] *cough* Belutz amachu_ persia TheMuso *cough*? [12:59] +1 from me. [12:59] * persia can vote [12:59] TheMuso, tq [12:59] Reviewing the log, it's a little tricky to cleanly separate e-jat from ubuntu-my on some of the questions. I'M voting +1 based on work with forums, website, mailing list, etc. [12:59] we can still finish in under an hour if we hurry! :D [12:59] thanks persia [12:59] ewwwww lag! [12:59] e-jat: Please do bulk up your wiki page to better show your activities, which otherwise only become clear in discussion and reviewing many websites. [13:00] persia, thanks for the comment .. yes i will [13:00] cheers e-jat !! [13:00] tq nbliang [13:01] +1 from me too based on the services and work with his government contact ;) [13:01] elky, tq [13:01] im also working close with kaeru as he in OSCC [13:02] * Belutz congratulate e-jat [13:02] yeah, hope to see entire MY government converted into using FOSS [13:02] plan to do more ubuntu marketing with OSCC to MY government [13:03] e-jat: best wishes, and work together will all around you now, to take ubuntu to more people in Malasia [13:03] thanks amachu_ [13:03] ok then, gtg home fetch my wife. congratulations e-jat !! [13:03] tq again nbliang [13:03] nbliang, drive carefully [13:03] sure do, u too [13:04] Belutz: elky: TheMuso: persia: lifeless: is that all ? [13:04] shall we conclude the day's meeting [13:04] amachu_, I think that is all [13:04] I think thats all yes. [13:04] i should get better internet connectivity next time :-( [13:05] I have one minor administrative item [13:05] persia: yes [13:05] persia, which is? [13:05] Could we put the time of the next meeting on our wiki page a little more in advance? I feel like we're not giving potential candidates much notice. [13:05] persia: agree !! [13:05] ok, bye [13:06] again, thanks to all [13:06] persia: agree. But i do mail participants personally too. [13:06] agree with elky [13:06] persia: we should do that [13:07] any thing else? [13:07] * elky cries at the lag [13:08] I think thats it. [13:08] i think we're done? [13:08] * Belutz hugs amachu_, TheMuso, elky, persia and zarul [13:09] * e-jat hugs Belutz amachu_ TheMuso elky persia zarul n all in here [13:09] hehe [13:09] elky, i have a question for you [13:09] Belutz, hmm? [13:09] make it 2 questions [13:10] fine then. Thank you everyone for participating and best wishes for our new Members nbliang and fenris [13:10] * elky refrains from hmm'ing again, as it makes questions multiply :) [13:10] 1. is there any FOSS events in Australia around October/November ? [13:10] thanks amachu_ [13:10] congrats nbliang and fenris [13:10] tq BuffaloSoldier [13:10] 2. why you change from elkbuntu into elky? :-) [13:11] Belutz: add me also to that question [13:11] #2 [13:11] ;-) [13:11] Belutz, 1. not that i know of, OSDC is early december... 2. each time my bip proxy reconnects to freenode. havent gotten around to fixing it since it's not entirely broken ;) [13:11] I see :) [13:12] elky, do you have a link for that OSDC event? [13:12] http://osdc.com.au [13:12] CFP is until the end of this month [13:13] elky, thanks for the info [13:13] Belutz, no problem [13:13] elky, we are going to held a World Summit on Open Source next year, I hope you can come :) [13:14] Belutz, that'd be cool. what part of next year? [13:14] * elky hopes for 'mid' [13:14] * e-jat brb ... praying .. [13:14]