[00:08] <fta> asac, which distros are building ff with xul sdk like us ? do we know ?
[00:09] <asac> fta: fedora does
[00:09] <asac> fta: i have it now installed in VM :)
[00:09] <asac> jdhore: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.head
[00:09] <asac> fixed in rev 295
[00:09] <asac> but i will not upload instantly. have to think about that approach and if its really worth it
[00:09] <asac> so ... let it bake in fta PPA :)
[00:10] <asac> fta: gentoo too :)
[00:10] <asac> fta: debian now as well and not sure about suse or mandrake
[00:10] <asac> they are quite inactive in mozilla community
[00:10] <asac> and are known to run-behind :)
[00:11] <fta> debian started after us, i guess gentoo too (armin76 ?), any idea for fedora ?
[00:11] <fta> do they have changelogs ?
[00:12] <asac> fta: they started after us
[00:12] <asac> but release b5 in fedora 9 like 2 weeks after hardy was out
[00:12] <jdhore> asac, do i only have to pull the xulrunner from head or do i have to pull firefox from head as well?
[00:12] <asac> fta: caillon started on the packages while i was porting epiphany
[00:12] <fta> so we started 1st ? :)
[00:12] <asac> jdhore: you need to build xulrunner from that branch. then you have to respin firefox unfortunately as well
[00:13] <jdhore> i can do that
[00:13] <asac> fta: sure
[00:13] <jdhore> As long as i don't have to pull FF from bzr as well :)
[00:13] <fta> asac, if branches are stable, i can update my ppa now
[00:13] <asac> fta: even when we started to seriously port things to xulrunner in the beginning of hardy we were the only ones using it
[00:14] <fta> cool
[00:14] <asac> fta: let me open ubuntu3
[00:15] <fta> asac, i already have an ubuntu3 (ff)
[00:16] <asac> fta: any changes?
[00:16] <asac> ah ok
[00:16] <asac> i  see
[00:17] <fta> asac, tell me when i can start the sync
[00:18] <asac> fta: 3
[00:18] <asac> fta: 2
[00:18] <asac> fta: 1
[00:18] <asac> rev 286
[00:18] <asac> :)
[00:18] <asac> fta: ^^
[00:19] <asac> xul is now 296 i guess
[00:20] <asac> fta: at least fedora uses versioned pkglib dirs too
[00:20] <fta> expected, if they still have xul 1.8
[00:21] <asac> fta: no they dont
[00:21] <asac> fta: they always had versioned dirs :)
[00:21] <asac> at least thats what i remember
[00:21] <fta> but pkglib dir is not versioned
[00:21] <asac> fta: no? xulrunner-1.9pre?
[00:22] <asac> thats versioned imo
[00:22] <asac> fta: xulrunner-1.9
[00:22] <asac> fta: firefox-3.0b5
[00:22] <asac> fta: so i meant $pkglibdir :)
[00:22] <asac> not pkglib dir like in /usr/lib/pkgconfig :)
[00:22] <fta> ah
[00:23] <fta> +       echo $(DEBIAN_XUL_DIR) > debian/xulrunner-1.9/etc/ld.so.conf.d/xulrunner-1.9
[00:23] <fta> eh????
[00:23] <asac> fta: hold on
[00:23] <fta> what ?
[00:23] <asac> fta: i messed up 286 on ffox 3 :)
[00:23] <asac> should be fine now
[00:24] <asac> fta: yes, thats the painful thing
[00:24] <asac> or is that wrong?
[00:24] <asac> $(DEBIAN_XUL_DIR) == /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9 right?
[00:25] <fta> why do you need that ? there's already a -rpath something pointing to that
[00:25] <asac> fta: not on the binaries
[00:26] <asac> afaik there is no -rpath in general
[00:26] <asac> as xulrunner+firefox is not supposed to be installed a fixed location by upstream philosophy
[00:26] <asac> thats the whole point of the /etc/gre.d/ things ;)
[00:27] <fta> hm, -Wl,-rpath-link,/usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9/bin  wtf?
[00:31] <asac> fta: well. you see why that doesnt work?
[00:31] <asac> fta: xul 297 pushed. i think that should be the final one. though ldconfig is automagically added
[00:32] <asac> fta: if you want you can wait till the build finishes here
[00:33] <fta> i don't see 297
[00:33] <asac> fta: hmm ....
[00:33] <asac> now?
[00:34] <fta> good
[00:34] <asac> fine
[00:35] <asac> lets try that for a while ... and see if shirish or someone else on your sources cry :)
[00:40] <asac> fta: do you provide hardy builds from .head in your PPA?
[00:41] <asac> just curious
[00:42] <asac> i think this jemalloc change doesnt really qualify for an SRU. however, i am wondering if we want to do regular uploades to hardy-backports to reduce the divergence ;)
[00:42] <asac> just an idea fo rnow
[00:42] <asac> sounds like work though :)
[00:42] <asac> not much, but still on top
[00:45] <fta> i still do hardy, but not sure for how long
[00:46] <fta> pushed
[00:47] <asac> fta: cant you keep pushing to hardy and ring the alarm bells if build breaks=
[00:47] <asac> ?
[00:47] <asac> e.g. not looking by yourself
[00:47] <asac> (if you dont have time)
[00:49] <fta> i wanted my bot to do that, but i still need to put that in place, i lack time
[00:50] <asac> fta: maybe you can push your bot code somewhere?
[00:50] <asac> though chances might be low there exists the chance that gnomefreak will fix it ;)
[00:51] <asac>  p > 0
[00:52] <asac> but i guess its more a matter of deployment than code ;)
[00:52] <asac> right?
[00:52] <fta> right
[00:53] <fta> i can also just link my ppa scripts together
[00:53] <asac> fta: maybe for stable backports the bot shouldnt consider to track upstream trunk ;)
[00:53] <asac> but well
[00:54] <asac> i guess that we need the upstream logic as .head upstream version moves ahead too
[00:54] <asac> fta: ok, so what is xulrunner-1.9.head branch now? i assume it tracks 1.9 branch
[00:54] <asac> which is a stable branch now
[00:54] <fta> 1.9.0.x
[00:55] <asac> yeah ok
[00:55] <asac> we have luck. i think they stay on trunk ;)
[00:55] <fta> i have another head branch for 1.9.1
[00:55] <asac> yeah
[00:55] <asac> fta: as 1.9.1 branched from 1.9 initially?
[00:55] <fta> yes
[00:55] <asac> s/as/was/
[00:56] <asac> fta: can we try to sync uip to 1.9.1 for the time being?
[00:56] <asac> i think the branches should still be quite related
[00:56] <fta> i do that from time to time, but manually as 1.9.1 already has it's own life
[00:57] <asac> fta: hmm. ok
[00:57] <fta> its
[00:57] <asac> wy is that a problem?
[00:57] <asac> i think if you removed not wanted changes during one merge it will not try to do that same on next merge attempt
[00:57] <asac> i would like to be sure that the 1.9.1 branch gets the released 1.9 changelogs in
[00:58] <asac> well, not 100% sure, but for now i think I want to know what was applied and what wasnt
[00:58] <asac> do you see my point?
[00:58] <asac> or is it a void point?
[00:59] <asac> because we use a different source package name anyway?
[00:59] <fta> as long as 1.9.1 is not officially in intrepid, i will merge changelogs too
[01:00] <asac> fta: but will you also document in 1.9.1 changelog if things are removed during merge?
[01:00] <asac> e.g. not just in merge commit message
[01:00] <asac> e.g. i add patchX1 in 1.9.0.1
[01:01] <asac> and remove it during merge to 1.9.1
[01:01] <asac> obviously that removal needs to be documented in debian/changelog too :)
[01:01] <asac> where?
[01:01] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/22466/
[01:01] <asac> technically its in 1.9.0.1+1
[01:01] <asac> :)
[01:02] <asac> fta: the conflicts are there because you did it manually in the past
[01:02] <asac> the adding file conflicts
[01:02] <asac> just from that merge it looks still reasonable to do
[01:03] <asac> resolve the current conflicts once in the merge commit
[01:03] <asac> and next time all should be fine
[01:03] <asac> of course we might need to check what applies against upstream codebase then
[01:04] <asac> but thats just a technical issue ;)
[01:05] <asac> fta: did you bzr mv debian/xulrunner-1.9.1-gnome-support.postinst
[01:05] <asac> err
[01:05] <asac> fta: did you bzr mv debian/xulrunner-1.9-gnome-support.postinst debian/xulrunner-1.9.1-gnome-support.postinst
[01:05] <asac> ?
[01:05] <fta> i'll see that tomorrow, once again, it's late, and i have to work tomorrow. i'm tired of being tired each and every morning :P
[01:05] <asac> sure go ahead
[01:05] <fta> probably yes
[01:05] <asac> sleep well ;)
[01:05] <asac> i know what you mean :)
[01:06] <fta> i tried to use bzr as much as possible, but diverged patches and stuff were manual
[01:06] <asac> yeah sure
[01:06] <asac> maybe i will experiment a bit locally. not sure either what is best here ;)
[01:07] <asac> we can talk tomorrow or later ;)
[01:16] <asac> stupid me
[01:19] <asac> fta: the build will fail. i should probably go to bed too :/
[01:19] <asac> xul 298
[01:20] <asac> doing a test build now :)
[01:21] <asac> thats it ... i am out too
[01:21] <asac> cu tomorrow
[02:52] <gnomefreak> am i reading this right? "You can start Firefox in hidden mode" is that for all platforms and how?
[02:59]  * gnomefreak starting to get pissed with gmail+IMAP+Thunderbird
[03:00]  * gnomefreak just lost a shit load of replys thanks to cant log in
[03:04] <gnomefreak> also seems that they often fail to copy to Drafts
[03:09] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: you around? and do you know who the last person to work on our firebug package is?
[03:10] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, sort of, for few more minutes
[03:10] <Jazzva> lemme check...
[03:11] <Jazzva> Well, jetsaredim is the last uploader for the package
[03:12] <Jazzva> I think shirish mentioned something about new version... and that jetsaredim said that he is a bit busy right now, so someone else can do it. Not sure if shirish will prepare the new package.
[03:13] <Jazzva> Yep, shirish opened the bug report. I think he might be doing it. bug 242165
[03:13] <Jazzva> gnomefreak ^
[03:13] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: thanks i will use this to help this bug.
[03:14] <Jazzva> ok. Now I'm off... :)
[03:14] <Jazzva> Have fun
[03:15] <gnomefreak> you too
[03:18] <gnomefreak> asac: i might not be here when you get here in morning but please check your email for my mailing list post.
[03:32] <gnomefreak> god i hate the thought of looking into that damn broken ass toolbar
[03:32] <gnomefreak> ok smoke than a couple of things and im gone for night.
[09:17] <asac> gnomefreak: no idea what people refer to by "hidden" mode
[10:54] <armin76> fta_: yeah, we do
[11:14] <armin76> asac: mozilla bug 409192
[11:16] <asac> armin76: hmm
[11:16] <asac> armin76: thats known
[11:20] <armin76> i know, you fix
[11:29] <gnomefreak> asac: when he asked about hidden mode he wanted to start Firefox without viewing Firefox when started, I will see if someone answered him or not.
[11:29] <asac> gnomefreak: so a tray-icon?
[11:29] <asac> i think there is an extension
[11:30] <asac> not sure if he can start it directly in hidden then
[11:30] <gnomefreak> asac: ah ok i have never heard of it without using bg flash in terminal
[11:31] <gnomefreak> -flash + flag
[11:31] <gnomefreak> if i mark a mailing list post as junk on Tbird will that marl all of those mailing lists as junk?]
[11:33] <gnomefreak> i seem to have gotten a bunch of kiddie porn span on mailing list :(
[11:34] <asac> gnomefreak: you need to teach tbird a spam and ham
[11:34] <asac> that should work
[11:35] <asac> if you only marked one mail as spam and that one is from a mailing list, yuo might end up having all mail detected as spam
[11:36] <gnomefreak> thats what im afraid of. is there a way to mark the "from" part as spam?
[11:36] <gnomefreak> sender is mailinglist+myemail
[11:38] <gnomefreak> i think i got it
[11:38] <gnomefreak> ha it worked :)
[11:42] <asac> fta_: can you repush xul 1.9?
[11:45] <armin76> no :P
[12:21]  * gnomefreak is starting to get really sick of gedit
[12:29] <rzr> gnomefreak: ever heard of emacs ?
[12:29] <gnomefreak> rzr: yes
[12:29] <gnomefreak> also heard of vi/vim :)
[12:29] <rzr> so why using gedit ?
[12:30] <gnomefreak> all i wanted to do was view 2 lines in a file its easier to use gedit than vi or emacs for that
[12:30] <gnomefreak> cat would have been too easy
[12:50] <gnomefreak> jdong is still MIA or atleast when i am around but still havent gottena reply from email i sent him
[12:51] <gnomefreak> 07:50 <      gnomefreak > asac: can you please look/test/upload flash 10 to  hardy backports?
[12:51] <gnomefreak> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=flashplugin-nonfree is the revu link
[12:51] <gnomefreak> than read line above about jdong
[12:57] <asac> !seen jdong
[12:57] <asac> what worthless bots we have
[12:58] <Triona> Greetings.
[13:01] <Mohjive_> hello
[13:02] <Mohjive_> why did I get a message about candidate builds and backports just now?
[13:03] <asac> Mohjive_: i sent out an announcement on the qa.tracker website
[13:03] <asac> Mohjive_: apparently i hit the wrong button and the mail went out to more than just those that previously contributed to testing :)
[13:04] <asac> i Triona
[13:04] <Mohjive_> apparantly...
[13:04] <Mohjive_> :)
[13:04] <asac> Mohjive_: feel free to ignore the mail ... or help testing :)
[13:05] <Mohjive_> hehe, it'd be the first then, since I have preferences to another browser
[13:05]  * Mohjive_ hides
[13:06] <asac> Mohjive_: testing with "fresh"-profile is one point of the testplan :)
[13:16] <asac> gnomefreak: did you test those flash builds?
[13:16] <gnomefreak> yes for about a month
[13:16] <gnomefreak> others have tested as well
[13:16] <gnomefreak> asac: they are in my PPA
[13:17] <gnomefreak> there are atleast 3 bugs that people have tested on and it fixes thier issue
[13:37] <asac> gnomefreak: is it just me or does flash 10 require you to click on flash before playing?
[13:38] <asac> ok flashblock
[13:39] <gnomefreak> that would be the reason
[13:39] <gnomefreak> ;)
[13:40] <armin76> asac: ah, looks like that ppc segfault is due to >=gcc-4.2 or glibc-2.8
[13:40] <gnomefreak> i will talk to crimsun tomorrow about gutsy backport to see how we are gonna handle that see if he knows what PA packages to upgrade (least amount as possible) to get it to work in gutsy
[13:41] <armin76> because with 4.1.2 and glibc 2.6 it doesn't segfault
[13:42] <asac> gnomefreak: i am too dumb for the backports procedure
[13:42] <asac> what do i need to do?
[13:43] <asac> armin76: glibc 2.8 ;)
[13:43] <gnomefreak> asac: AFAIK just push to backports once tested but let me see if i can find something to help you im sure i have a wiki or 3 on it
[13:45] <asac> gnomefreak: there is something about ubuntu-archive on the wiki page
[13:45] <asac> how are archive admins involved?
[13:45] <asac> do they need to push them manually=
[13:45] <asac> ?
[13:45] <gnomefreak> to accept it
[13:45] <asac> ah ok
[13:45] <asac> so where is the bug?
[13:45] <gnomefreak> as i recall its the same process but ill ask one of them if i can recall who they are ;)
[13:46] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 235135
[13:47] <armin76> !info libc6 intrepid
[13:47] <asac> gnomefreak: and the asound-plugins bug?
[13:47] <asac> gnomefreak: you should add that package to the same bug i guess
[13:47] <armin76> asac: i'll check in ubuntu now
[13:48] <gnomefreak> asac: why asound-plugins? it doesnt work with them see post https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/235135/comments/19
[13:48] <asac> gnomefreak: do we really want libflashsupport in -backports? afaict, it still crashes
[13:48] <gnomefreak> asac: it doesnt crash here at all
[13:48] <gnomefreak> maybe 64bit?
[13:49] <asac> gnomefreak: go to youtube and watch video. hit back ... wait, hit forward, watch video ... repeat 10 times or so
[13:49] <gnomefreak> asac: thats looking for a crash if your PC cant handle the load
[13:50] <asac> gnomefreak: no
[13:50] <asac> thats a race
[13:50] <gnomefreak> flash is flash no matter what version you use
[13:50] <asac> thats the original crash we had ... it still exists
[13:50] <gnomefreak> ill try it
[13:50] <asac> we should not use libflashsupport
[13:50] <asac> so we need asound-plugins
[13:51] <gnomefreak> we shouldnt have to backport asound anyway since the version in Hardy is conpatible with flash 10
[13:51] <asac> gnomefreak: it doesnt have the set-pulseaudio feature afaict
[13:51] <gnomefreak> that was more for gutsy, as long as hardys is enabled it will work
[13:51] <asac> gnomefreak: well ... i needed the asound plugin from your ppa from what i can tell
[13:52] <gnomefreak> ill spin it but i doubt asound-plugins are gonna be enough
[13:52] <gnomefreak> can you please verify that is the only package from my PPA that is needed to get it to work
[13:54] <asac> gnomefreak: leaving for lunch now. but install wise it was the only needed (i didnt instlal libflashsupport)
[13:55] <gnomefreak> asac: ok
[13:57] <gnomefreak> asac: this is strange TBH but read the following
[13:58] <gnomefreak> 08:56 <            jpds > gnomefreak: they do the backporting with their  sscripts
[14:01] <Triona> I got caught in the previously mentioned mailing  I'm actually somewhat interested in helping out.
[14:01] <asac> Triona: cool
[14:01] <Volans> asac: Hi, I have read now your email for FF 2.0.0.15 QA tests... I can made the QA test on Gutsy that I use abitually or on a virtulised Hardy...
[14:02] <Triona> Do you use Litmus for testing?
[14:02] <asac> Triona: no. i guess thats an automization tool?
[14:02] <asac> Volans: every test welcome .... dapper most desparately needed though ;)
[14:02] <Triona> asac, litmus.mozilla.org
[14:03] <asac> Triona: does that run tests in your browser?
[14:03] <Triona> Correct.
[14:04] <Volans> asac: indeed I have a old pc with dapper on it... mmmh I can try to make the test if necessary
[14:04] <Triona> well.. it shows you tests that you run
[14:04] <Volans> s/a old/an old/
[14:04] <asac> Volans: VM dapper would also be fine. BUt just do what you can ;)
[14:05] <asac> Triona: ill look into this after lunch. for now we just have mozilla.qa.ubuntu.com ... where there are instructions
[14:06] <Volans> with VBox I have always the fear that all works because of the clear fresh installation and the simple hardware
[14:06] <asac> Volans: right. but for ffox case we dont want to test hardware (well lets hope)
[14:06] <Triona> I used to participate in mozilla test days  / bug days, so just starting again
[14:06] <asac> Volans: so should be more than fine
[14:06] <Triona> figured I'd get involved here too when I saw the spam :)
[14:07]  * asac out for lunch
[14:07] <Volans> ok :)
[14:07] <asac> Triona: yes, lets talk about that after lunch :-D
[14:07] <Triona> hehe
[14:08] <Triona> ok.. poke me whenever... I'm gonna go back to bug day for a bit.
[14:08] <Triona> I've been slacking for the better part of a year
[14:08] <Triona> hehe
[14:20] <armin76> asac: ha! segfaults
[14:20] <gnomefreak> asac: when you et back you can read this. I have it going through the right channels finally i should have reported it against *-backports but as a project not a package like i was doing.
[14:20] <armin76> (firefox:21964): Gtk-WARNING **: Useless empty GtkIconSource
[14:20] <armin76> (firefox:21964): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[14:20] <armin76> Segmentation fault
[14:21] <gnomefreak> glib too high of a version?
[14:21] <gnomefreak> although it wouldnt build
[14:21] <armin76> asac: now, buy me a ppc!
[14:22] <gnomefreak> ok im gone for a while its starting to get hot in here
[14:24] <huats> I have heard about free hugs !
[14:25] <Volans> Note for asac: I took the liberty to made little changes on the plugin table in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/QA , hoping for a better appearence
[14:40] <djdarkman> hello, how can I apply for the test?
[14:43] <Volans> djdarkman: Hi, you mean how to made the test or where to put the results?
[14:44] <djdarkman> Volans: I found the test pages, but don`t know where do I need to submit the results after
[14:45] <Volans> from the email: The testing is done by running a test plan [ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/QA ] and submitting the results to the mozilla QA site: http://mozilla.qa.ubuntu.com
[14:45] <djdarkman> and does it matter if I test it under gnome or KDE? I don`t have ubuntu CD`s right now
[14:47] <Volans> maybe matter for the latest points in the QA test, I think you must specify which DE you have used
[14:48] <Volans> but for more specific questions is better to wait asac that is at launch now...
[14:48] <Volans> for me too is the first QA... I'm upgrading an old dapper to do the test
[14:49] <vadi2> Is there a specific reason as to why ubuntu was removed in the ff3 user agent string by default? It was in ff2.
[14:50] <djdarkman> ok thanks Volans, I need to assemble my laptop first anyway
[15:05] <asac> ok i anwered djdarkman question in -testing too
[15:05] <djdarkman> ok asac I found it, the log in link is very tiny, that`s why I didn`t find it (22" LCD screen)
[15:06] <Volans> asac: but after the login where to submit?
[15:06] <asac> :)
[15:06] <asac> yeah. the website is still "beta"
[15:07] <asac> Volans: mozilla.qa.ubuntu.com ...
[15:07] <asac> there select the build you are testing
[15:07] <asac> e.g. dapper ...
[15:07] <asac> or gutsy ...
[15:07] <asac> or whatewver
[15:07] <asac> and there you should be able to confirm the testcases
[15:07] <Volans> ok... :D
[15:07] <Volans> I thinking that the link on the build are for the packages :D
[15:07] <asac> Volans: yeah ;)
[15:08] <asac> room for improvement. that site sometimes has some easter-eggs
[15:09] <djdarkman_> that virtualbox help mentioned in the mail is a little old btw
[15:10] <asac> djdarkman_: oh. really?
[15:12] <Volans> asac: the proper way for a new profile creation is trough a command line option or elsewere in FF1.5?
[15:13] <djdarkman_> I think it`s a little simpler to install virtual box
[15:13] <asac> Volans: move your .mozilla folder to some backup space .... then start
[15:13] <Volans> ok
[15:13] <asac> when finished remove the new .mozilla directory ... and move the backed-up one back in place
[15:13] <djdarkman_> asac: is this the iso I should get? ubuntu-6.06.1-desktop-i386.iso
[15:13] <asac> djdarkman_: read the instruction on top of http://mozilla.qa.ubuntu.com/
[15:14] <armin76> asac: where's my ppc :P
[15:14] <Volans> djdarkman_: yes if you want to virtualise a dapper for doing the test ;)
[15:15] <asac> djdarkman_: ah. this was about getting dapper setup. right.
[15:15] <asac> i think thats the right iso (telling from name)
[15:15] <djdarkman_> yes I want to test it under dapper, luckly my laptop can hendle virtualbox :)
[15:15] <djdarkman_> *handle
[15:16] <asac> grewat
[15:16] <Volans> asac: there was a question on the default user agent string on FF3 from vadi2 at 15:48 CEST (if you want to look at)
[15:16] <asac> dapper is mui important as we maintain our own backports
[15:16] <Volans> djdarkman_ for vbox you can install it from packages as any other program in the repositories
[15:17] <asac> vadi2: not sure what you mean by "removed the ff3 user agent string" ...
[15:17] <asac> maybe give me a hint!
[15:17] <asac> djdarkman_: yes. apt-get install virtualbox
[15:18] <djdarkman_> I have virtualbox, grabbed it from sun`s website
[15:18] <vadi2> asac: because it was in ff2 but not in ff3
[15:19] <vadi2> asac: ff3 in ubuntu simply reports "linux"
[15:19] <Volans> djdarkman_ why? vbox have two version one open and one closed
[15:19] <asac> vadi2: ok. so you say that "ubuntu" is missing?
[15:19] <asac> vadi2: your initial question suggests that we dont have a user string at all :)
[15:20] <vadi2> no... "v﻿adi2: Is there a specific reason as to why ubuntu was removed in the ff3 user agent string by default? It was in ff2."
[15:20] <djdarkman_> Volans: dunno, sun`s license seems a little non-opensource(but that doesn`t stop me from using it), but there was(is) a version that I`m sure is open source(but has many bugs)
[15:20] <asac> vadi2: point is that we had issues in the past with content-filtering ... e.g. some ubuntu users couldnt access some websites because some content filter thought they were a trojan
[15:21] <asac> vadi2: yeah. sorry, misread then
[15:21] <Volans> asac: the hot june make some strange effect on you :)
[15:21] <asac> Volans: wish it was hot here
[15:21] <vadi2> er what?
[15:21] <djdarkman_> yep there are two versions
[15:21] <djdarkman_> http://www.sun.com/software/products/virtualbox/get.jsp
[15:22] <asac> djdarkman_: ah ok. sorry for the confusion then. i ment what we have packaged as virtualbox
[15:22] <asac> but i dont mind :) ... anything that works is ok. its just that virtualbox from our archive should work fine
[15:23] <Volans> djdarkman_ I know, I use packaged virtualbox  (OSE version) since 1 year without any problem or crashes... I don't know the procedure to install the SUN's version...
[15:23] <djdarkman_> I use Sun xVM VirtualBox 1.6
[15:23] <Volans> the most simple and quick is via apt-get
[15:25] <asac> djdarkman_: not sure. i'd suggest just to apt-get install virtualbox and try that. its just a few seconds away and is more or less proven to work for ubuntu
[15:25] <asac> djdarkman_: but if suns virtualbox works fine let me know :)
[15:26] <djdarkman_> asac: I use suns virtualbox, I`m a web developer and I use it to test webpages under evil platforms and evil browsers
[15:28] <asac> djdarkman_: hehe
[15:30] <vadi2> asac: so... ubuntu won't be back in the user agent string at all now?
[15:31] <asac> vadi2: havent seen a reason why
[15:31] <asac> vadi2: why?
[15:31] <vadi2> just messes with all web stats completely, and doesn't help since websites filter "linux" more.
[15:33] <asac> vadi2: who would be interested about ubuntu in webstats?
[15:33] <djdarkman_> and let`s show the world how many ubuntu users are out there :)
[15:33] <vadi2> quite a lot of people
[15:33] <asac> vadi2: for what reason?
[15:33] <djdarkman_> asac: some people use webstats for statistics (not too smart of them)
[15:33] <vadi2> support for one.
[15:34] <asac> support? so you want to deny support for firefox that runs on ubuntu?
[15:34] <asac> or getting an idea what the user is running when he opens bugs?
[15:35] <asac> in anycase, we can readd that in intrepid. changing user agent in hardy is most likely not within the bounds of SRUs
[15:36] <Triona> asac, are you back from lunch now?
[15:36] <asac> Triona: yeah ;)
[15:36] <asac> sorry
[15:36] <Triona> nah, it's ok... looks like you guys are quite busy here :)
[15:37] <asac> Triona: did you look at the mozilla.qa.ubuntu.com website? there are instructions how to get the test packages
[15:37] <Triona> yep.
[15:38] <Triona> Bookmarked.
[15:38] <asac> Triona: great.
[15:38]  * djdarkman_ loves virtualbox
[15:38] <asac> Triona: you can submit results by clicking on the builds that are on that page
[15:39] <Triona> Great.
[15:39] <asac> btw. 3/3 doesnt meant that that build had enough testing
[15:39] <asac> just means that every testcase was at least done once :)
[15:39] <Triona> hehe
[15:39] <djdarkman_> fiesty needs testing too right?
[15:39] <asac> djdarkman_: yes
[15:39] <asac> djdarkman_: but dapper is more crucial as its LTS and its 1.5 (backports)
[15:40] <asac> feisty gets somewhat implicit testing through gutsy/hardy as its the same code
[15:40] <djdarkman_> asac: I`m installing dapper right now, but gonna download fiesty while it`s installing
[15:41] <asac> great ;)
[15:41] <djdarkman_> have 60 GB, there`s room for even breezy :D
[15:41] <asac> hehe
[15:42] <asac> djdarkman_: would be soooo cool if you could keep your VMs and help on next upgrade too :)
[15:42] <asac> in general new ffox every 3 month
[15:42] <Volans> asac: in dapper I'm trying to login on a SMF forum, but FF don't tell me if he must remember my password or not... and the settings seems to be all ok
[15:42] <asac> Volans: can you try the version currently in dapper and see if its works better?
[15:43] <asac> e.g. is it a regression
[15:43] <Volans> I have also FF2 installad in /opt, I can try with that?
[15:45] <djdarkman_> asac: even if I wouldn`t keep them I could re install them every 3 months :)
[15:45] <Volans> djdarkman_: you are very patient... :)
[15:47] <asac> djdarkman_: yeah ;) ... but maybe you can help testing tbird too :)
[15:47]  * asac takes the other arm 
[15:47] <djdarkman_> Volans: the isos download with 3MB/s my laptop has 1,4GB RAM, I don`t need to be patient
[15:48] <Volans> with 5GB per virtualisated OS I think is better to leave them then reinstalling everytime ;)
[15:49] <Volans> asac: with the same preferences FF2 tell me to save the pass
[15:49] <Volans> I can try the regression if necessary
[15:50] <Volans> (you have read my note on the wiki QA page?)
[15:51] <Volans> wait... on mail.google it works (the password remeber)
[15:55] <asac> Volans: yes. i think 1.5 was broken for some forms from the beginning
[15:55] <asac> Volans: you could try the last official upstream build to see
[15:55] <Volans> ok, I will try later
[15:55] <asac> Volans: for now assume that its ok (if other forms work well)
[15:55] <Volans> until now I have only a LoadPlugin error on the shell but without any crash
[15:56] <asac> Volans: which plugin?
[15:56] <Volans> rpnp.so
[15:56] <Volans> failed to initialize shared library
[15:56] <Volans> undefined symbol: __pure_virtual
[16:04] <Volans> asac: strange situation in certificate test:
[16:05] <Volans> I have removed all trusted certificate, the site tell me to import, I have imported and the site do not ask for a certificate BUT
[16:05] <Volans> but now I can't remove the certificates anymore
[16:05] <Volans> if I restart firefox they will be there, is normal?
[16:06] <asac> Volans: is that with a fresh profile?
[16:06] <Volans> yep
[16:07] <asac> Volans: are you trying the cacert test?
[16:07] <Volans> yes
[16:08] <asac> Volans: you see any error in javascript console?
[16:08] <asac> when trying to remove the cert?
[16:08] <Volans> I can open the console also after have removed the cert?
[16:08] <Volans> (it logs anyway)
[16:09] <Volans> is empty...
[16:09] <lastent> hi, I received a mail about testing the 2.0.0.15 Candidate, do I have to register or something like that?
[16:09] <Volans> lastent: yes on brainstorm/QA site
[16:10] <asac> lastent: just create an accoung on mozilla.qa.ubuntu.com
[16:10] <asac> and then start to submit your test results
[16:10] <lastent> ok
[16:10] <Volans> asac: there is also a little bug but is upstream related.... if I select all the certificates and click remove the popup with the list is bigger then the window and I can press ok only using keyboard ;)
[16:10] <asac> lastent: instructions how to get the packages should be on top of that page too
[16:11] <asac> [reed]: where can we get archived mozilla builds from?
[16:11] <asac> ftp-archive.mozilla.org?
[16:11] <asac> [reed]: i cant find the last 1.5.x build that was released - which i would like to use to check if issues are regressions
[16:12] <gmatht> Hi, I get " firefox: Depends: libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.12.3) but 1.12.2-0ubuntu3 is to be installed" when I use
[16:12] <gmatht> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/asac/ubuntu dapper main universe
[16:12] <gmatht> Is this a bug?
[16:12] <Volans> maybe this one asac? http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.5.0.12/
[16:12] <asac> gmatht: oh. have you enabled dapper-security in software sources?
[16:13] <asac> gmatht: thats important. you need to upgrade dapper to latest security updates (e.g. enable dapper-updates and dapper-security)
[16:13] <gmatht> Ah, no. Not in my debootstrap
[16:13] <asac> gmatht: yeah. add dapper-updates and security ... then upgrade to get the latest bits
[16:15] <Volans> or this one asac: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/latest-1.5/ (but are dated May 2007, correct?)
[16:15] <gmatht> Odd... "Get:8 ftp://ftp.iinet.net.au dapper-security/main Packages [152kB]" but still get 1.12.2-0ubuntu3
[16:15] <asac> Volans: that looks good
[16:15] <asac> 1.5.0.12
[16:16] <asac> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.5.0.12/
[16:16] <Volans> there is a double mozilla.org folder... I don't know why... :)
[16:17] <djdarkman_> btw asac I would love to test thunderbird too
[16:17] <asac> djdarkman_: \o/
[16:17] <asac> Volans: i think you need that as otherwise you would get redirected to releases.mozilla.org ... which only has recent builds
[16:17] <gmatht> Its not a prob with the iinet archive "Get:3 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-security/main Packages [152kB] ...  but 1.12.2-0ubuntu3 is to be installed"
[16:18] <asac> gmatht: did you add dapper-updates ?
[16:18] <asac> and dist-upgraded?
[16:20] <Volans> asac: I don't have to restart firefox... just close and reopen the show certificate popup.... they automagically re-appears
[16:20] <gmatht> Ah, the -updates were missing.
[16:20] <Volans> is cert8.db file?
[16:21] <gmatht> I hadn't dist-upgraded since adding the -security,but that wasn't what was causing it.
[16:21] <asac> Volans: let me try to reproduce
[16:21] <Volans> ok, I'm checking file permissions
[16:21] <Volans> -rw------- user user cert8.db
[16:22] <asac> Volans: so how did you add certificate?
[16:23] <asac> "accept forever" .... or did you click on the root certificate link?
[16:23] <Volans> I followed the QA procedure
[16:23] <Volans> remove all, go to Cacert certificate page
[16:23] <Volans> click import checking for trusted websites
[16:25] <asac> Volans: so which certificates reappear?
[16:25] <asac> the cacert one?
[16:25] <Volans> no, all certificated in the last tab
[16:25] <Volans> and 4 certificate in the websites tab
[16:25] <asac> Volans: ah. well. all except the one you added cannot be removed
[16:25] <asac> they are built-in
[16:25] <asac> Volans: you can remove Root CA
[16:26] <Volans> but also those in website tab reappears
[16:27] <Volans> that wasn't here before
[16:27] <Volans> the cacert test
[16:27] <asac> Volans: for me nothing is added to websites
[16:27] <asac> if i install a root certificate
[16:28] <asac> that tab is only populated by "accept permanently" when you get the warning dialog
[16:28] <asac> so what do you have in there?
[16:28] <Volans> I have do this: if so do import and select "Trust this CA to identify websites"
[16:28] <Volans> from the QA wiki page
[16:29] <asac> Volans: if i do that, it gets added to the "Authorities" tab
[16:29] <asac> http://www.cacert.org/index.php?id=3
[16:29] <asac> do you use the first link of the "Class 1" cert?
[16:29]  * asac looks on wiki
[16:30] <Volans> id=3 ??? on wiki is id=1
[16:30] <asac> let me test the wiki
[16:31] <Volans> ahahah ok
[16:31] <asac> Volans: found?
[16:32] <Volans> what? (I'm not sure to follow you...)
[16:32] <asac> Volans: for me it works
[16:32] <asac> Volans: i remove my .mozilla dir .... then i start firefox
[16:32] <asac> click on the .crt link
[16:32] <Volans> I will try with a ne profile
[16:32] <asac> it gets added to the "Authorities" tab
[16:32] <asac> not the website
[16:33] <Triona> hmm... I still don't get something :P How is bugzilla easier to find than either the ubuntu firefox support page or mozilla support page
[16:33] <daynah> I got an email this morning about Firefox version 2.0.0.15... is that right?
[16:33] <asac> daynah: yeah. asking for help testing the bits
[16:34] <Triona> example being: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=440273
[16:34] <daynah> asac: will future ubuntu versions be using FF2 or FF3?
[16:34] <Volans> asac: I have italian layout, maybe I have confused the "CA to identify websites" statement
[16:34] <asac> daynah: hardy has ff3 as main browser ... and we probably wont go back
[16:34] <daynah> asac: thank you! good luck!
[16:34] <asac> daynah: still we do security support for existing one. thats what this is about
[16:35] <asac> Volans: maybe ;)
[16:35] <asac> Volans: better try with LANG=en_US firefox ;)
[16:35] <Volans> ok I change now
[16:37] <Volans> where to change? -contentLocale en_US does not work...
[16:37] <asac> Volans: run from command line like above
[16:37] <asac> LANG=en_US firefox
[16:38] <Volans> ah ok sorry...
[16:38] <asac> that should work ;)
[16:39] <Volans> work with a gtk warning of Locale not supported by C library
[16:39] <Volans> maybe uninfluent
[16:39] <asac> that doesnt matter, right
[16:40] <Volans> I must remove the certicifates in Authorities tab or not?
[16:41] <asac> Volans: just the one you added (e.g. root ca)
[16:42] <asac> i guess i should attach screenshots for the not-so-obvious operations
[16:42] <Volans> no, I'm very very very stupid... for a strange case I was not clicking on the link in wiki page that is open in this computer and write down the link manually.... i missed the https!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:43] <asac> ha
[16:45] <Volans> ok, now works!
[16:45] <asac> yeah
[16:45] <asac> great
[16:45] <Volans> I'm so sorry
[16:45] <asac> not sure what error you hit
[16:45] <Volans> https://www.cacert.org/index.php?id=1 I open it in http, not https
[16:46] <asac> so you didnt see a warning ;) ?
[16:46] <Volans> I see one, that install other certificates
[16:46] <Volans> 4 certificate, non root one
[16:47] <gmatht> OK, so I got "(firefox-bin:23499): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_drag_set_icon_default: assertion `GDK_IS_DRAG_CONTEXT (context)' failed
[16:47] <gmatht> Segmentation fault
[16:47] <gmatht> " but I don't have anything in /var/crash. Can I still get a backtrace (should I) (1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.15~prepatch080614c-0ubuntu1~qa)
[16:47] <exactt_> hello
[16:47] <asac> gmatht: can you reproduce it?
[16:47] <exactt_> John Vivirito around?
[16:48] <asac> exactt_: his nick is gnomefreak and he is not here atm
[16:48] <asac> but usually he pops in and out twice a day or so
[16:48] <exactt_> thx asac
[16:48] <exactt_> i stay tuned
[16:49] <Volans> asac: how to test all the plugins? (in the meantime I have rearranged the layout of the wiki page when you where at launch ;))
[16:50] <asac> Volans: not required to test all. the most important ones would be appreciated
[16:50] <Volans> ok
[16:50] <Volans> the standard test on dapper is ok! only plugins to test
[16:50] <asac> Volans: like in the announcement mail (flash, totem)
[16:51] <asac> Volans: yeah. plugins are most likely not that important
[16:51] <asac> flash is probably even broken
[16:52] <Volans> in the announcement mail that I received you don't spoke about plugins ;)
[16:52] <asac> Volans: really?
[16:52] <asac> oh most likely only on blog :)
[16:52] <asac> i must have dreamt it ;)
[16:52] <Volans> I received a mail from qatracker
[16:52] <Volans> AT stgraber.org
[16:52] <Volans> ahahh
[16:53] <asac> yeah. i didnt mention plugins :)
[16:53] <asac> http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/144-QA-Tracker-Firefox-2.0.0.15-Candidate-Builds-and-Backports.html
[16:53] <asac> thats the blog post
[16:53] <asac> with the free-hug offer :-D
[16:53] <asac> oh i posted it twice
[16:54] <asac> dam s9y
[16:54] <Volans> ahahah
[16:54] <Volans> ok, I received the text of the second blog postwithout the free-hug offer :D
[16:55] <Volans> acroread plugin works well
[16:55] <gmatht> Could not reproduce. Occured while browsing http://www.zudacomics.com/node/101 in full screen mode (using adobe flash plugin)
[16:56] <Volans> flash working
[16:57] <asac> gmatht: ok. which flash version?
[16:57] <asac> gmatht: if its just a one time crash i wont be too concerned (especially since flash was on)
[16:58] <asac> gmatht: try to stress-test the build a bit by using heavy ajax/javascript sites
[16:59] <gmatht> Was just doing "15 min regular use"
[16:59] <Volans> asac: I see "no picture" in a site with an embedded wmv video
[16:59] <gmatht> Gmail seemed fine though.
[17:00] <Volans> but I have vlc, mplayer and totem plugins... don't know what fails
[17:00] <asac> Volans: totem?
[17:00] <asac> Volans: install one at a time only
[17:01] <asac> Volans: totem might not work in chroot as it needs dbus
[17:01] <Volans> no is a real dapper install
[17:01] <asac> you need to start dbus in chroot to get it working i guess
[17:01] <asac> ok
[17:01] <Volans> the plugins was previously installed
[17:01] <Volans> I can remove them and try only with totem
[17:01] <asac> Volans: that would be great.
[17:04] <Volans> maybe adding some test page where to test the plugins in QA wiki page would be better ;)
[17:04] <Volans> and faster
[17:05] <Triona> sorry, got busy elsewhere
[17:05] <asac> Volans: we started to do that once ... but i think we didnt find pages for everything
[17:05] <Triona> asac, anyway, what I was mentioning before lunch... litmus
[17:06] <Triona> it's what mozilla qa uses to organize manual tests
[17:06] <Volans> maybe doing some test page and hosting it somewhere?
[17:06] <asac> Volans: if you know about sites feel free to add them to the plugins table
[17:06] <Volans> ok
[17:06] <asac> Volans: yeah. but we need free content in order to host it
[17:06] <Triona> There's a pretty large base of testcases there that you may want to look at. :)
[17:06] <asac> Triona: ok, so its their "feedback" site?
[17:06] <asac> Triona: oh cool.
[17:07] <asac> Triona: can you add pointers to the QA wiki page? e.g. as comments at the bottom?
[17:07] <Triona> it gets used for test days
[17:07] <Triona> Not sure that you guys want to be running tests in there because of how the results are submitted
[17:07] <asac> e.g. what tests should be added and so on
[17:07] <Triona> but... you probably want to be running some of the same tests
[17:08] <asac> Triona: i dont think we want to use their infrastructure (for now) ... but steeling testcases ... why not :)
[17:13] <Triona> which page... MozillaTeam/QA?
[17:17] <asac> Triona: yes
[17:17] <asac> Triona: just add a "comments" section at the bottom and add sync your brain there ;)
[17:17] <asac> anyway ... i am now off to sports ... will be back in 2hours or so.
[17:18] <Triona> *clicks save*
[17:18] <Triona> Anyway... testday in a few hours :)
[17:18] <Triona> err
[17:18] <Triona> bugday
[17:21] <Qwell> You have got to be kidding me.  Spam on my wiki email address?  Seriously?
[17:24]  * asac hugs Qwell 
[17:24] <asac> Qwell: read: http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/144-QA-Tracker-Firefox-2.0.0.15-Candidate-Builds-and-Backports.html
[17:24] <Qwell> asac: Bad form dude.
[17:24] <asac> .9
[17:24] <asac> look for UPDATE:
[17:24] <asac> :)
[17:27] <Qwell> The fact that it's even possible for that mistake to be made, is what needs to be corrected...
[17:45] <Volans> asac: dapper tests passed and submitted to QA site, if I found some time I will test also gutsy...
[18:10] <MurielGodoi> Hi all, Anyone knows why Firefox menu text color is getting the color from standard text and not from window text as desired?
[18:24] <ScottK> asac: I saw your excessively distributed note on Firefox update testing.  I have Dapper I can test on.  Just point me where I need to go.
[18:25] <Volans> ScottK: asac is not here now, but he made a mistake, see here: http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/144-QA-Tracker-Firefox-2.0.0.15-Candidate-Builds-and-Backports.html
[18:25]  * ScottK looks
[18:25] <Volans> (the update section in particular)
[18:28] <ScottK> Right.  Got that off of planet.
[18:28] <ScottK> I assume you still need test help for Dapper.
[18:29] <Volans> every test is always appreciated! :)
[18:29] <Volans>  for dapper the direct link is:  http://mozilla.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/1651 (see also comments for previous tests like mine)
[18:29] <Volans> in the asac's blog post there is the link for the QA test, the other two test are 15 minutes normal use with a fresh profile and the existent profile
[18:30] <Volans> to create a fresh profile, move the ~/.mozilla folder away and start firefox that autogenerate a new profile
[18:32] <ScottK> Thanks.  Installing now.   I'll work through the test cases in a bit.
[18:34] <Volans> ok, thanks for testing, I have made the test before and asked asac for many things... then if you have some problem try to ask maybe is the same thing I have asked to asac before :)
[18:41] <chao1> how do i test the new candidate for firefox 2.0
[18:42] <Volans> chao1: have you received the email?
[18:47] <Volans> there should be all the useful links to do that
[18:48] <chao1> yes. didn't know if that was spam or not. and if not . . .
[18:49] <Volans> is not properly spam... only a mistake on the destination group, see here: http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/144-QA-Tracker-Firefox-2.0.0.15-Candidate-Builds-and-Backports.html
[18:50] <Volans> if you want to help in the test, there ill be the links and the procedure, there are 3 different test, 15 minutes normal use with your profile and a new profile and a the specific QA test explained in the wiki page
[18:50] <chao1> ok
[18:50] <chao1> thank you for the help
[18:52]  * djdarkman_ is back and has a virtual dapper and a fiesty
[18:53] <Volans> great djdarkman_ !!! :)
[18:54] <Volans> I have done the dapper test, maybe see my comments on the QA site when you test
[18:57] <djdarkman_> ok Volans, I was shopping and now I will have dinner, after that I will install 2 more VMs
[18:58]  * Volans sponsor djdarkman_ for the virtual man of the day medal!
[19:02] <djdarkman_> :D
[19:03] <Volans> djdarkman_ you have also djdarkman in the chan ;)
[19:03] <[reed]> asac: archive.mozilla.org
[19:04] <djdarkman_> asac: I have a fresh install, all I have to do (besides add the ppas) is to sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[19:05] <Volans> [reed]: is the same of http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla.org/ ?
[19:05] <djdarkman_> (actualy I have two fresh installs)
[19:05] <Volans> we have found this before: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.5.0.12/
[19:06] <Volans> seems the same of this one [reed]: ftp://archive.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/1.5.0.12
[19:06] <Volans> djdarkman_ asac is not here at the moment, but yes, the install il fresh or updated?
[19:06] <[reed]> Volans: they aren't the same technically, but yes, that's right
[19:07] <Volans> ok thanks
[19:08] <Volans> I think is better if you update the OS before and only after add ppa
[19:08] <Volans> also check to have the correct repositories activated
[19:08] <Volans> like -security and -updates
[19:36] <pidouz> hi everybody !
[19:38] <asac> ola
[19:38] <asac> djdarkman_: you need to ensure that dapper-updates and dapper-security is enabled in "Software Sources"
[19:38] <asac> and that your system is up to date on those archives
[19:39] <Volans> asac: I go to dinner in a couple of minutes, reed replied to you that the correct one is:  ftp://archive.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/1.5.0.12 but in practice the content is the same in that case
[19:40] <asac> Volans: yeah. thanks. saw [reed]'s reply
[19:40] <djdarkman_> asac: security and updates are enabled by default right?
[19:41] <ScottK> djdarkman_: That's correct.
[19:41] <asac> djdarkman_: depends. if you used debootstrap: "no" ... if you installed from CD (aka VM), then hopefully yes
[19:41] <asac> ScottK: you still need info?
[19:41] <asac> ScottK: all should have been in the mail ;) ... the apt lines are documented at http://mozilla.qa.ubuntu.com/
[19:42] <ScottK> I think I'm OK.
[19:42] <asac> great
[19:42] <ScottK> I have it installed, but am distracted by $WORK so I haven't actually done the procedure yet.
[19:42] <asac> thanks for helping out.
[19:43] <asac> ScottK: thats ok. take your time :)
[19:44] <Volans> I go, maybe I come back later, asac I have leaved my comments on dapper tests in mozilla.qa site. I hope the builds works fine for all as for me...
[19:46] <ScottK> asac: Have you seen the fix in Debian Bug #473557?  I would LOVE to have that fixed.
[19:52] <asac> ScottK: i saw that patch.
[19:52] <ScottK> asac: Do we have it?
[19:52] <ScottK> I have been plagued with this problem since forever.
[19:52] <asac> ScottK: are you on KDE?
[19:52] <ScottK> It's one of the main reasons I use Konqueror as my main browser.
[19:52] <ScottK> Yes.
[19:53] <asac> yeah ok. i can prepatch it, but wanted to give bz a bit time to review it before pulling it in
[19:53] <ScottK> Ping me if you want testing for it.
[19:53] <ScottK> Who is bz?
[19:53] <asac> ScottK: you have a bugzilla account?
[19:53] <asac> bz == Boris Zbarsky
[19:53] <asac> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=440840
[19:54] <ScottK> Ah.
[19:54] <asac> thats the upstream bug
[19:54] <ScottK> Yes.
[19:54] <asac> ScottK: maybe CC yourself. i might see the review+ mail late.
[19:54] <ScottK> Mozilla is the first open source project I contributed to through bug triaging.
[19:54] <ScottK> OK.
[19:54] <asac> cool ... if you see that bz likes the patch let me know :)
[19:55] <asac> we can prepatch it for intrepid. for hardy i would like to have it go into upstream tree
[19:55] <asac> so we get it through security update
[19:57] <asac> actually, i already looked a bit at this kde issue during development cycle, but found nothing about mailcap in the source
[19:57] <asac> thats why i thought that previously broken feature was removed
[19:57] <asac> and didnt look closer
[20:00] <ScottK> Hmm.  I've signed up for the bug.
[20:00] <ScottK> I'll ping you if I see something.
[20:00] <asac> thanks
[20:00] <asac> [reed]: any hints how i can effectively reduce bugmail from bugzilla?
[20:01] <asac> the bug folder is almost as scary as the ubuntu ffox3 bug folder :)
[20:01] <asac> and i usually treat it with lower priority than ubuntu bug mail
[20:01] <asac> unfortunately that makes me miss requests for follow-up :(
[20:02] <[reed]> asac: turn off bugmail for things you don't care about?
[20:03] <asac> [reed]: thats the problem :) i care about a bunch of components. and i am watching glandium and caillon for instance
[20:03] <Triona> remember to unsub yourself from bugs you no longer care about too.
[20:03] <asac> [reed]: maybe filter out status "NEW" would be a good start :)
[20:03] <Triona> asac, unconfirmed is the one I'd be filtering :)
[20:04] <Triona> that one's scary hehe
[20:04] <asac> yeah i ment unconfirmed obviously ;)
[20:04]  * asac goes to bugzilla preferences
[20:04] <Triona> new is post-triage at least
[20:05] <Triona> or at least someone with a canconfirm bit filing them.
[20:05] <asac> i know what what state stands for. but i have the feeling that filtering out unconfirmed will maybe reduve bug count by 10-20%
[20:05] <asac> bugmail count
[20:05] <asac> Triona: yeah
[20:06] <asac> ok -> priority changes => off ;)
[20:06] <asac> err. i can only turn off for relations: "Assignee  QA Contact  Reporter  CCed  Voter "
[20:06] <asac> what about when i am subscribed to a component? or monitor a user?
[20:07] <asac> "Any field not mentioned above changes "
[20:07] <asac> any idea what changes those are?
[20:07] <asac> can i safely turn them off?
[20:07] <Triona> are you watching a qa contact?
[20:07] <asac> several :)
[20:07] <asac> those for the most interesting components: e.g. embedding, toolkit ;)
[20:08] <asac> can i filter out bugs filed against "general"?
[20:08] <asac> hmm
[20:08] <Triona> Maybe.
[20:08] <asac> or is that a differen qa contact anyway
[20:10] <asac> not sure what "  Some attachment data changes " means. I'll disable that now
[20:10] <Triona> "The CC field changes "
[20:10] <Triona> that's a good one to turn off
[20:11] <asac> already done :)
[20:11] <asac> was one of the more obvious ones ;)
[20:11] <asac> ok only unconfirmed mails if i am the assignee
[20:12] <asac> is there a header included in mail that tells me that i get that mail because i am monitoring a contact?
[20:12] <Triona> the ones I'd leave on are resolved/reopened, new attachments, new comments, dependancy tree
[20:13] <asac> i would like to push those to separate folders ;)
[20:13] <Triona> a footer in he body
[20:13] <Triona> the
[20:13] <asac> Triona: right. i have those turned on
[20:13] <asac> i also have enabled "I'm added to or removed from this capacity "
[20:13] <Triona> ------- You are receiving this mail because: -------
[20:13] <Triona> You are on the CC list for the bug.
[20:14] <Triona> at the end of the mail
[20:14] <asac> in body.
[20:14] <asac> thats not really modern :)
[20:14] <asac> filterwise ;)
[20:14] <asac> anyway. lets hope that this reduces the bugflood to a consumable amount
[20:14] <Triona> apparently there's some headers too
[20:14] <Triona> X-Bugzilla ones
[20:15] <Triona> I just never looked at them
[20:15] <asac> is there a document describing what is encoded in mail headers?
[20:15] <asac> its easier than guessing through emperical tests :)
[20:15] <Triona> That I wouldn't know, I'm just looking at my own bugmail.
[20:17] <asac> [reed]: so what relationship do i have to a bug when i monitor a QA contact? is it configured through CC?
[20:17] <Triona> www.bugzilla.org might know...
[20:17] <[reed]> asac: no, QA contact
[20:17] <Triona> asac, if I'm reading the info on the email prefs, you have the same relationship as who you are watching
[20:18] <asac> [reed]: ah. makes sense.
[20:18] <asac> hmm
[20:18] <asac> you are right. there is even a sentence about that right below the table :)
[20:19] <Triona> which... I guess is important if you watch someone other than a qa contact :)
[20:19] <asac> not sure
[20:19] <Triona> since the other purpose of a watcher is to let you fill in for someone else
[20:19] <asac> lets see how far i get with the configuration i have now :)
[20:21] <asac> lets see if i should hit the reset button to see if things improve :)
[20:22] <asac> just 1600 unread mails. thats less than i expected :-P
[20:22] <asac> *sigh*
[20:22] <asac> damn. and the first 10 mails i looked at were actually interesting/semi-important
[20:23] <asac> "You are watching someone on the CC list of the bug."
[20:23] <asac> :)
[20:24] <asac> lets see if thats a person or a QA
[20:24] <asac> k thats a person
[20:25] <pidouz> Is that normal that, after installing Firefox 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.15~prepatch080614c-0ubuntu1~qa1 on Dapper, my "About Firefox" window states that i'm using Firefox 1.5.0.12eol ?
[20:26] <ScottK> Mine says that too.
[20:26] <asac> yes thats normal
[20:26] <pidouz> OK, thank you !
[20:26] <asac> we are working towards a 1.5.0.15 release upstream with other distros
[20:26] <asac> then eol will most likely stay, but the version would be bumped
[20:27] <asac> after all its 1.5.0.15~prepatch :)
[20:29] <FuturePilot> hello, I heard something about an email and free hugs :P
[20:30] <asac> FuturePilot: did you get that email?
[20:30] <FuturePilot> yes
[20:30]  * asac hugs FuturePilot 
[20:30] <asac> :)
[20:30] <FuturePilot> :)
[20:30] <FuturePilot> I'd be happy to test though
[20:30] <asac> now help testing ;)
[20:30] <asac> great!
[20:31] <FuturePilot> I noticed that there's not many Feisty testers
[20:31] <FuturePilot> I think I'll go dig up my old Feisty CD
[20:31] <asac> FuturePilot: you can use virtualbox if you dont want to do a full install
[20:31] <FuturePilot> Yes, that's what I was going to do :)
[20:31] <asac> for that its easiest to download the .iso; installation from a file .iso is way faster
[20:32] <asac> but CD should work too
[20:32] <FuturePilot> oh yes, I could do that too
[20:32] <Triona> hrm... I should set up virtualbox.
[20:32] <asac> but i guess the feisty torrents are not that active anymore ;)
[20:32] <asac> we should consider to distribute "ready-to-use" images for virtual box
[20:33] <FuturePilot> that would be nice :)
[20:33] <asac> but i think #ubuntu-testing should do that
[20:33] <asac> havent got an answer so far from them on that question
[20:33]  * asac asks again :)
[20:36] <pidouz> I followed the testplan, everything seemed OK. I submitted my result on the site
[20:38] <pidouz> I didn't write any comment, because I didn't notice anything wrong. I hope that's the right way to do it
[20:38]  * asac hugs pidouz 
[20:38] <asac> pidouz: yes. if nothing unusual happens we dont need a comment
[20:40] <pidouz> It was my first (little) contribution, I hope I will have opportunities to be usefull in the future !
[20:41] <pidouz> bye everybody !
[20:48] <asac> we also have little gutsy testers
[21:01] <fta_> hi
[21:02] <asac> hi fta
[21:03] <asac> fta: did you get an email about firefox testing?
[21:03] <asac> :-D
[21:05] <riffian> hello
[21:05] <asac> hi
[21:05] <riffian> I wonder if it's possible to have both Firefox 2 and 3 running on Ubuntu?
[21:06] <asac> riffian: at the same time?
[21:06] <riffian> Not necessarily at the same time, no
[21:06] <asac> or on the same system
[21:06] <riffian> same system - 7.04
[21:06] <asac> riffian: i think going down might break your profile
[21:06] <asac> riffian: 7.04?
[21:06] <asac> you mean 8.04?
[21:07] <riffian> No, Feisty (I can't upgrade!)
[21:07] <asac> riffian:  think there is no firefox 3 build yet available for feisty
[21:07] <asac> maybe we should do one
[21:07] <asac> riffian: why cant you upgrade?
[21:07] <riffian> Wireless network card problem on my laptop
[21:08] <asac> riffian: so no network?
[21:08] <riffian> both gusty and hardy seem to have a problem
[21:08] <asac> ah
[21:08] <asac> riffian: did you install or just try the livecd?
[21:08] <riffian> livecd
[21:08] <riffian> didn't adre install !
[21:08] <asac> riffian: on livecd there might be drivers missing
[21:08] <riffian> sorry dare
[21:09] <asac> what card/chipset?
[21:09] <riffian> intel - I'll just check
[21:10] <jcastro> that's weird, intel should just work
[21:10] <asac> jcastro: no :)
[21:10] <asac> depends
[21:11] <jcastro> well, let me rephrase .. it always works for me on my hardware. :D
[21:11] <asac> lucky jcastro ;)
[21:11] <jcastro> I've never seen intel wireless hardware not work
[21:11] <jcastro> in recent releases
[21:11] <riffian> PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
[21:12] <riffian> I think I've seen some threads about there being a problem with this
[21:12] <asac> riffian: ok that causes issues for _some_ in some environments in hardy. on gutsy it should work. but i think its not really usable on livecd
[21:13] <riffian> And I posted (and bumped) a question in Ubuntu forums about this but got no replies at all :-(
[21:13] <riffian> So i thik: if it ain't broke...   ;-)
[21:13] <riffian> *think
[21:13] <djdarkman_> on dapper if I have the right firefox how can I check it`s version?
[21:13] <asac> riffian: it should work everywhere on real installs. on hardy it can be shaky, but you can try to install the linux-backport-modules driver
[21:14] <asac> those should work better
[21:14] <asac> riffian: cant you fork out a small partition to try a full install?
[21:14] <asac> djdarkman_: in terminal
[21:14] <asac> djdarkman_: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l firefox
[21:14] <riffian> I'd like to, but I have a few VMs to take care of...
[21:15] <asac> djdarkman_: and in Help -> About should be 1.5.0.12eol (but that was like that for the few last uploads)
[21:15] <riffian> and a smallish HDD
[21:15] <djdarkman_> asac: have it
[21:15] <riffian> Good idea though!
[21:15] <riffian> I'll back up the VMs and temporarily remove them to get space
[21:16] <riffian> asac: thanks
[21:16] <asac> welcome.
[21:16]  * asac out grabbing some food
[21:16] <djdarkman_> asac: where is the report form? (url)
[21:17] <asac> djdarkman_: on mozilla.qa.ubuntu.com you click on the version you want to submit results for
[21:17] <asac> from there on you should be able to find your way
[21:17] <asac> djdarkman_: you might need to create an account first?
[21:17] <djdarkman_> asac: have ubuntuforums acount :D
[21:18] <asac> djdarkman_: not sure if that works ;)
[21:18] <asac> djdarkman_: http://mozilla.qa.ubuntu.com/
[21:18] <asac> try to log-in (top right corner)
[21:18] <asac> otherwise register
[21:18] <fta> asac, yes, got it
[21:18] <djdarkman_> asac: I taught those were package links :D
[21:18] <asac> fta: interesting. thought you were one of the few that didnt receive it ;)
[21:19] <asac> fta: that means it really went everywhere :)
[21:19] <asac> djdarkman_: yeah. you are not alone :)
[21:19] <asac> others complained about that already
[21:19] <fta> asac, you mean 2.0.0.15, right?
[21:19] <asac> fta: yes.
[21:19] <asac> fta: i pushed the wrong button and the mail went to 17k users :-P
[21:20] <asac> that was fun
[21:20] <fta> lol
[21:20] <asac> fta: i wasnt aware that the database of qa.ubuntu.com was coupled with brainstorm and wiki :)
[21:20] <asac> and what else
[21:21] <asac> i just did the same as last time "submit to all registered on this site"
[21:23] <djdarkman_> silly question #1 asac does FF 1.5 has live bookmarks?
[21:25] <armin76> fail
[21:26] <djdarkman_> ok someone could help me out on this one? how do I make a live bookmark(of an rss probably) under ff1.5?
[21:29] <asac> djdarkman_: yes
[21:30] <asac> you can add them when you click on the RSS symbol in the location bar
[21:31] <djdarkman_> ok thanks btw, I`m not a full fleged firefox user, that`s why I don`t know these features :)
[21:39] <fta> damn
[21:39] <fta> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[21:39] <fta>   libgluezilla libmono-mozilla0.2-cil libmozjs0d libxul0d
[21:40] <asac> fta: what pulls in libgluezilla?
[21:40] <fta> asac, something is re-introducing xul1.8 in intrepid
[21:40] <asac> fta: most likely a sync
[21:40] <fta> yep, maybe libgluezilla
[21:40] <asac> fta: i guess thats synched, but it caned be the cause
[21:40] <asac> something else probably has added libgluezilla
[21:40] <asac> to depends
[21:41] <fta> it happened when i forced libmono-winforms2.0-cil libuniconf4.4
[21:41] <asac> so its libmono-winforums
[21:41] <asac> what pulls that in?
[21:41] <fta> donno, it was blocking my upgrades
[21:41] <asac> fta: what rdepends does that lib has?
[21:41] <asac> have
[21:41] <asac> :)
[21:42] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/22690/
[21:42] <asac> thats in hardy
[21:42] <asac> do you have more?
[21:42] <djdarkman_> hmmm so far soo good under dapper here goes the plugins
[21:42] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/22691/
[21:43] <asac> ikvm?
[21:43] <asac> err
[21:43] <asac> :)
[21:43] <asac> anyway. i think libgluezilla is the one that needs to be fixed here
[21:43] <asac> debian is probably already on it :-D
[21:44] <asac> i looked at it once, but found that i hate mono bindings too much to do more than necessary on that
[21:44] <fta> strange, i can remove libmono-winforms2.0-cil without removing anything else
[21:44] <asac> necessary == main
[21:44] <asac> fta: then its a Recommends :)
[21:44] <asac> those get installed by default now
[21:44] <fta> i hate mono
[21:44] <asac> argh
[21:45] <asac> most likely it gets pulled by some other recommends?
[21:45] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/22694/
[21:46] <asac> what i hate about mono is that i couldnt find any documentation on how to do bindings the "manual" way
[21:46] <asac> only these high-level xml things
[21:46] <asac> which i have hard time to get special things into without becoming a master
[21:46] <djdarkman_> asac: I installed mozilla-acroread, but firefox fails to recognize it as a plugin
[21:46] <djdarkman_> am I`m missing something herE?
[21:46] <asac> djdarkman_: not sure. take that plugins list with a grain of salt
[21:47] <asac> nobody seriously reviewed if those are actually usable in all ubuntu versions
[21:47] <asac> djdarkman_: but i think someone else confirmed today that it worked in dapper
[21:47] <asac> (on the test builds)
[21:47] <djdarkman_> nobody in it`s right mind would use adobe pdf reader under linux imho
[21:48] <fta> waoo, people are still using dapper ?
[21:48] <asac> djdarkman_: yeah. not sure about the state in evince
[21:48] <asac> fta: sure
[21:48] <asac> fta: those that done want to bother upgrading
[21:48] <asac> i met three people in the train that had an ubuntu installed
[21:48] <djdarkman_> btw dapper doesn`t have java6
[21:48] <asac> in the last three month
[21:48] <asac> well i guess its more than three month ;)
[21:49] <asac> anyway, all had dapper and said they waited for hardy
[21:49] <asac> or a new LTS
[21:49] <asac> so yes, there are people using LTS and skip the other releases
[21:49]  * djdarkman_ could never wait for even releasees, betas and alphas rule!
[21:50] <asac> djdarkman_: yeah. but you are on IRC. that means that you are already special
[21:50] <asac> our target audience doesnt know about IRC ;)
[21:52] <riffian> I certainly didn't know about IRC until today!
[21:52] <riffian> About half an hour ago
[21:53] <djdarkman_> asac: I think I`m a good tester than because I don`t use firefox(just for development), and don`t know the "quirks" and "workarounds"
[21:53] <djdarkman_> than someone who used firefox every day
[21:55] <riffian> How does FF3 compare to FF2 in terms of memory usage?
[21:56] <djdarkman_> riffian: they say it`s better and faster, has fewer memory leaks
[21:56] <riffian> that's what I need then!
[21:56] <djdarkman_> ok can someone tell me where can I test the vlc plugin? :)
[21:57] <Pauldb> hey people
[21:57] <Pauldb> i juste received a mail from mozilla
[21:58] <asac> Pauldb: from mozilla? or from me?
[21:58] <Pauldb> mozila
[21:58] <Pauldb> talking about Firefox 2.0.0.15 Candidate Builds and Backports‏
[21:58] <asac> Pauldb: no, that was me :)
[21:58] <Pauldb> it says that we have to come in this chan to know more ...
[21:59] <asac> yeah
[21:59] <Pauldb> well here i am
[21:59] <asac> Pauldb: want to help?
[21:59] <Pauldb> yup
[21:59] <asac> the mail gives you all the basic informations. you can decide which ubuntu release to test
[21:59] <asac> then either just install the packages (instructions are on top of page at mozilla.qa.ubuntu.com)
[22:00] <asac> or setup a VirtualMachine if you dont have the ubuntu release installed that you want to test
[22:00] <asac> Pauldb: what do you want to test?
[22:00] <asac> do you have a gutsy install?
[22:00] <Pauldb> what if i have already mozilla firefox installed on my ubuntu 8.04 ?
[22:00] <Pauldb> v3.0
[22:01] <asac> Pauldb: if you want to test hardy you should backup your $HOME/.mozilla directory first
[22:01] <asac> and after the tests put it back
[22:01] <Pauldb> but why is it ff2 ?
[22:02] <Pauldb> ff3 has just been released and you're testing ff2 ...
[22:02] <Pauldb> is it a mod or something ?
[22:04] <asac> Pauldb: no
[22:05] <asac> Pauldb: its a security update. and since we ship firefox-2 as an alternative you can also test that in hardy too ;)
[22:05] <asac> default is ffox 3 ... firefox 2 is still availabel for those that dont want to use ff3
[22:07] <djdarkman_> asac: I`ve tested flash and java, what esle should I test, that should work?
[22:08] <asac> djdarkman_: totem?
[22:08] <asac> not sure if it exists in dapper though
[22:08] <asac> if there is a totem-mozilla package then it probably should work
[22:09] <djdarkman_> asac: where shoudl I test it?
[22:09] <djdarkman_> (url)
[22:10] <asac> djdarkman_: good question. wait a second
[22:10] <asac> i have a page i use for that ;(
[22:10] <asac> http://digital-desert.com/mpg-videos/
[22:10] <asac> there are a bunch of mpegs
[22:10] <asac> not embedded though
[22:11] <asac> djdarkman_: the other site i know that has embedded videos, but probably needs you to download codecs is http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/
[22:11] <asac> :-D
[22:12] <asac> no, i havent found that myself. its used in a testcase to crash firefox which caused a bunch of crashes ;)
[22:12] <djdarkman_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[22:12] <djdarkman_>   totem-gstreamer-firefox-plugin: Depends: totem-gstreamer (= 1.4.1-0ubuntu4) but 1.4.3-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[22:12] <djdarkman_> E: Broken packages
[22:12] <djdarkman_> djdarkman@ubuntu:~$
[22:13] <asac> djdarkman_: did you upgrade your system?
[22:14] <asac> do you have dapper-updates in your sources.list?
[22:15] <djdarkman_> yes asac
[22:17] <asac> djdarkman_: not sure .. for me it  works
[22:17] <asac> djdarkman_: please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:17] <asac> to http://paste.ubuntu.com
[22:21] <djdarkman_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/22705/
[22:29] <asac> djdarkman_: you need universe and maybe multiverse everywhere
[22:29] <asac> dapper-updates just has main + restriceted
[22:29] <asac> for instance
[22:34] <djdarkman_> ok I`ll continue tomorrow
[22:34] <djdarkman_> goodby
[22:34] <djdarkman_> e
[22:36] <asac> djdarkman_: cu
[22:36] <asac> thanks a bunch
[22:59] <asac> ok gecko-sharp merged :/
[23:09]  * Volans back
[23:20] <asac> fta:  i guess you dont mind that i take your devhelp merge ;)
[23:20] <asac> well its finished ;)
[23:21] <fta> ?
[23:22] <fta> asac, ?
[23:22] <asac> merged and uploaded ;)
[23:22] <asac> fta: well you were listed as "merger" ;)
[23:22] <asac> because you did the last upload
[23:22] <asac> http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html
[23:23] <asac> for instance you are listed for the next vim merge too :-D
[23:23] <asac> cair
[23:23] <asac> o
[23:23] <asac> devhelp is now done :)
[23:23] <asac> liferea even ;)
[23:23] <asac> anything you dont want to do ?
[23:24] <fta> i've already sent cairo to seb 2 weeks ago, it's pending because of a MIR
[23:24] <asac> ah great
[23:24] <fta> it's not that i don't want to do anything, i just lack free time
[23:24] <asac> thats dealt with then ;)
[23:24] <asac> fta: no no ... its fine
[23:24] <asac> fta: its just that its "polite" to ask before taking a merge from someone :)
[23:25] <fta> sure
[23:25] <asac> better keep a bit free time ;)
[23:25] <asac> otherwise burn out comes :)
[23:33] <asac> this enigmail merge is harder than expected ;)
[23:33]  * asac break
[23:33] <asac> what did i do to debian enigmail ;)
[23:33] <asac> maybe its a "back-merge" ?
[23:33] <asac> damn ;)
[23:34] <asac> is it worth to fix it for real? :-P
[23:39] <asac> water on all fronts ;)
[23:39] <asac> unread bugmail == 3000 :)
[23:51] <asac_> reconnect
[23:55] <fta> no more cloak
[23:55] <asac_> me?
[23:56] <fta> yes
[23:56] <fta>  asac_ (n=asac@e177168193.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam
[23:56] <asac_> fta: maybe a race?
[23:56] <fta> your zombie
[23:56] <asac_> i am cloaked now ;)
[23:56] <asac_> i think its while leaving/joining
[23:57] <asac_> oh
[23:57] <asac_> darn
[23:57] <asac_> bug in freenode?
[23:57] <asac_> i linked both nicks
[23:57] <fta> both are unclocked in xchat
[23:58] <asac_> fta: strange ... here /who tells me cloak for asac, but not for asac_
[23:58] <asac_> 00:51 >> NickServ: Auth Request from NickServ on freenode.
[23:58] <asac_> 00:51 >> NickServ: The NickServ nickname asac_ could not be found on freenode.
[23:59] <Volans> asac_: you are a phantom! :)
[23:59] <fta>  /whois asac_  => still alice :)