[00:08] asac, which distros are building ff with xul sdk like us ? do we know ? [00:09] fta: fedora does [00:09] fta: i have it now installed in VM :) [00:09] jdhore: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.head [00:09] fixed in rev 295 [00:09] but i will not upload instantly. have to think about that approach and if its really worth it [00:09] so ... let it bake in fta PPA :) [00:10] fta: gentoo too :) [00:10] fta: debian now as well and not sure about suse or mandrake [00:10] they are quite inactive in mozilla community [00:10] and are known to run-behind :) [00:11] debian started after us, i guess gentoo too (armin76 ?), any idea for fedora ? [00:11] do they have changelogs ? [00:12] fta: they started after us [00:12] but release b5 in fedora 9 like 2 weeks after hardy was out [00:12] asac, do i only have to pull the xulrunner from head or do i have to pull firefox from head as well? [00:12] fta: caillon started on the packages while i was porting epiphany [00:12] so we started 1st ? :) [00:12] jdhore: you need to build xulrunner from that branch. then you have to respin firefox unfortunately as well [00:13] i can do that [00:13] fta: sure [00:13] As long as i don't have to pull FF from bzr as well :) [00:13] asac, if branches are stable, i can update my ppa now [00:13] fta: even when we started to seriously port things to xulrunner in the beginning of hardy we were the only ones using it [00:14] cool [00:14] fta: let me open ubuntu3 [00:15] asac, i already have an ubuntu3 (ff) [00:16] fta: any changes? [00:16] ah ok [00:16] i see [00:17] asac, tell me when i can start the sync [00:18] fta: 3 [00:18] fta: 2 [00:18] fta: 1 [00:18] rev 286 [00:18] :) [00:18] fta: ^^ [00:19] xul is now 296 i guess [00:20] fta: at least fedora uses versioned pkglib dirs too [00:20] expected, if they still have xul 1.8 [00:21] fta: no they dont [00:21] fta: they always had versioned dirs :) [00:21] at least thats what i remember [00:21] but pkglib dir is not versioned [00:21] fta: no? xulrunner-1.9pre? [00:22] thats versioned imo [00:22] fta: xulrunner-1.9 [00:22] fta: firefox-3.0b5 [00:22] fta: so i meant $pkglibdir :) [00:22] not pkglib dir like in /usr/lib/pkgconfig :) [00:22] ah [00:23] + echo $(DEBIAN_XUL_DIR) > debian/xulrunner-1.9/etc/ld.so.conf.d/xulrunner-1.9 [00:23] eh???? [00:23] fta: hold on [00:23] what ? [00:23] fta: i messed up 286 on ffox 3 :) [00:23] should be fine now [00:24] fta: yes, thats the painful thing [00:24] or is that wrong? [00:24] $(DEBIAN_XUL_DIR) == /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9 right? [00:25] why do you need that ? there's already a -rpath something pointing to that [00:25] fta: not on the binaries [00:26] afaik there is no -rpath in general [00:26] as xulrunner+firefox is not supposed to be installed a fixed location by upstream philosophy [00:26] thats the whole point of the /etc/gre.d/ things ;) [00:27] hm, -Wl,-rpath-link,/usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9/bin wtf? [00:31] fta: well. you see why that doesnt work? [00:31] fta: xul 297 pushed. i think that should be the final one. though ldconfig is automagically added [00:32] fta: if you want you can wait till the build finishes here [00:33] i don't see 297 [00:33] fta: hmm .... [00:33] now? [00:34] good [00:34] fine [00:35] lets try that for a while ... and see if shirish or someone else on your sources cry :) [00:40] fta: do you provide hardy builds from .head in your PPA? [00:41] just curious [00:42] i think this jemalloc change doesnt really qualify for an SRU. however, i am wondering if we want to do regular uploades to hardy-backports to reduce the divergence ;) [00:42] just an idea fo rnow [00:42] sounds like work though :) [00:42] not much, but still on top [00:45] i still do hardy, but not sure for how long [00:46] pushed [00:47] fta: cant you keep pushing to hardy and ring the alarm bells if build breaks= [00:47] ? [00:47] e.g. not looking by yourself [00:47] (if you dont have time) [00:49] i wanted my bot to do that, but i still need to put that in place, i lack time [00:50] fta: maybe you can push your bot code somewhere? [00:50] though chances might be low there exists the chance that gnomefreak will fix it ;) [00:51] p > 0 [00:52] but i guess its more a matter of deployment than code ;) [00:52] right? [00:52] right [00:53] i can also just link my ppa scripts together [00:53] fta: maybe for stable backports the bot shouldnt consider to track upstream trunk ;) [00:53] but well [00:54] i guess that we need the upstream logic as .head upstream version moves ahead too [00:54] fta: ok, so what is xulrunner-1.9.head branch now? i assume it tracks 1.9 branch [00:54] which is a stable branch now [00:54] 1.9.0.x [00:55] yeah ok [00:55] we have luck. i think they stay on trunk ;) [00:55] i have another head branch for 1.9.1 [00:55] yeah [00:55] fta: as 1.9.1 branched from 1.9 initially? [00:55] yes [00:55] s/as/was/ [00:56] fta: can we try to sync uip to 1.9.1 for the time being? [00:56] i think the branches should still be quite related [00:56] i do that from time to time, but manually as 1.9.1 already has it's own life [00:57] fta: hmm. ok [00:57] its [00:57] wy is that a problem? [00:57] i think if you removed not wanted changes during one merge it will not try to do that same on next merge attempt [00:57] i would like to be sure that the 1.9.1 branch gets the released 1.9 changelogs in [00:58] well, not 100% sure, but for now i think I want to know what was applied and what wasnt [00:58] do you see my point? [00:58] or is it a void point? [00:59] because we use a different source package name anyway? [00:59] as long as 1.9.1 is not officially in intrepid, i will merge changelogs too [01:00] fta: but will you also document in 1.9.1 changelog if things are removed during merge? [01:00] e.g. not just in merge commit message [01:00] e.g. i add patchX1 in 1.9.0.1 [01:01] and remove it during merge to 1.9.1 [01:01] obviously that removal needs to be documented in debian/changelog too :) [01:01] where? [01:01] http://paste.ubuntu.com/22466/ [01:01] technically its in 1.9.0.1+1 [01:01] :) [01:02] fta: the conflicts are there because you did it manually in the past [01:02] the adding file conflicts [01:02] just from that merge it looks still reasonable to do [01:03] resolve the current conflicts once in the merge commit [01:03] and next time all should be fine [01:03] of course we might need to check what applies against upstream codebase then [01:04] but thats just a technical issue ;) [01:05] fta: did you bzr mv debian/xulrunner-1.9.1-gnome-support.postinst [01:05] err [01:05] fta: did you bzr mv debian/xulrunner-1.9-gnome-support.postinst debian/xulrunner-1.9.1-gnome-support.postinst [01:05] ? [01:05] i'll see that tomorrow, once again, it's late, and i have to work tomorrow. i'm tired of being tired each and every morning :P [01:05] sure go ahead [01:05] probably yes [01:05] sleep well ;) [01:05] i know what you mean :) [01:06] i tried to use bzr as much as possible, but diverged patches and stuff were manual [01:06] yeah sure [01:06] maybe i will experiment a bit locally. not sure either what is best here ;) [01:07] we can talk tomorrow or later ;) [01:16] stupid me [01:19] fta: the build will fail. i should probably go to bed too :/ [01:19] xul 298 [01:20] doing a test build now :) [01:21] thats it ... i am out too [01:21] cu tomorrow [02:52] am i reading this right? "You can start Firefox in hidden mode" is that for all platforms and how? [02:59] * gnomefreak starting to get pissed with gmail+IMAP+Thunderbird [03:00] * gnomefreak just lost a shit load of replys thanks to cant log in [03:04] also seems that they often fail to copy to Drafts [03:09] Jazzva: you around? and do you know who the last person to work on our firebug package is? [03:10] gnomefreak, sort of, for few more minutes [03:10] lemme check... [03:11] Well, jetsaredim is the last uploader for the package [03:12] I think shirish mentioned something about new version... and that jetsaredim said that he is a bit busy right now, so someone else can do it. Not sure if shirish will prepare the new package. [03:13] Yep, shirish opened the bug report. I think he might be doing it. bug 242165 [03:13] Launchpad bug 242165 in firebug "Upgrade firebug 1.2b21+svn573 to firebug1.2.0b3" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/242165 [03:13] gnomefreak ^ [03:13] Jazzva: thanks i will use this to help this bug. [03:14] ok. Now I'm off... :) [03:14] Have fun [03:15] you too [03:18] asac: i might not be here when you get here in morning but please check your email for my mailing list post. [03:32] god i hate the thought of looking into that damn broken ass toolbar [03:32] ok smoke than a couple of things and im gone for night. [09:17] gnomefreak: no idea what people refer to by "hidden" mode === jt1 is now known as jtv === asac_ is now known as asac [10:54] fta_: yeah, we do [11:14] asac: mozilla bug 409192 [11:14] Mozilla bug 409192 in Preferences "Applications prefpane is broken if shell service isn't available at runtime (Applications preferences dialogue is empty, no way to add applications)" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=409192 [11:16] armin76: hmm [11:16] armin76: thats known [11:20] i know, you fix [11:29] asac: when he asked about hidden mode he wanted to start Firefox without viewing Firefox when started, I will see if someone answered him or not. [11:29] gnomefreak: so a tray-icon? [11:29] i think there is an extension [11:30] not sure if he can start it directly in hidden then [11:30] asac: ah ok i have never heard of it without using bg flash in terminal [11:31] -flash + flag [11:31] if i mark a mailing list post as junk on Tbird will that marl all of those mailing lists as junk?] [11:33] i seem to have gotten a bunch of kiddie porn span on mailing list :( [11:34] gnomefreak: you need to teach tbird a spam and ham [11:34] that should work [11:35] if you only marked one mail as spam and that one is from a mailing list, yuo might end up having all mail detected as spam [11:36] thats what im afraid of. is there a way to mark the "from" part as spam? [11:36] sender is mailinglist+myemail [11:38] i think i got it [11:38] ha it worked :) [11:42] fta_: can you repush xul 1.9? [11:45] no :P [12:21] * gnomefreak is starting to get really sick of gedit [12:29] gnomefreak: ever heard of emacs ? [12:29] rzr: yes [12:29] also heard of vi/vim :) [12:29] so why using gedit ? [12:30] all i wanted to do was view 2 lines in a file its easier to use gedit than vi or emacs for that [12:30] cat would have been too easy [12:50] jdong is still MIA or atleast when i am around but still havent gottena reply from email i sent him [12:51] 07:50 < gnomefreak > asac: can you please look/test/upload flash 10 to hardy backports? [12:51] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=flashplugin-nonfree is the revu link [12:51] than read line above about jdong [12:57] !seen jdong [12:57] Factoid seen jdong not found [12:57] what worthless bots we have [12:58] Greetings. [13:01] hello [13:02] why did I get a message about candidate builds and backports just now? [13:03] Mohjive_: i sent out an announcement on the qa.tracker website [13:03] Mohjive_: apparently i hit the wrong button and the mail went out to more than just those that previously contributed to testing :) [13:04] i Triona [13:04] apparantly... [13:04] :) [13:04] Mohjive_: feel free to ignore the mail ... or help testing :) [13:05] hehe, it'd be the first then, since I have preferences to another browser [13:05] * Mohjive_ hides [13:06] Mohjive_: testing with "fresh"-profile is one point of the testplan :) [13:16] gnomefreak: did you test those flash builds? [13:16] yes for about a month [13:16] others have tested as well [13:16] asac: they are in my PPA [13:17] there are atleast 3 bugs that people have tested on and it fixes thier issue [13:37] gnomefreak: is it just me or does flash 10 require you to click on flash before playing? [13:38] ok flashblock [13:39] that would be the reason [13:39] ;) [13:40] asac: ah, looks like that ppc segfault is due to >=gcc-4.2 or glibc-2.8 [13:40] i will talk to crimsun tomorrow about gutsy backport to see how we are gonna handle that see if he knows what PA packages to upgrade (least amount as possible) to get it to work in gutsy [13:41] because with 4.1.2 and glibc 2.6 it doesn't segfault [13:42] gnomefreak: i am too dumb for the backports procedure [13:42] what do i need to do? [13:43] armin76: glibc 2.8 ;) [13:43] asac: AFAIK just push to backports once tested but let me see if i can find something to help you im sure i have a wiki or 3 on it [13:45] gnomefreak: there is something about ubuntu-archive on the wiki page [13:45] how are archive admins involved? [13:45] do they need to push them manually= [13:45] ? [13:45] to accept it [13:45] ah ok [13:45] so where is the bug? [13:45] as i recall its the same process but ill ask one of them if i can recall who they are ;) [13:46] asac: bug 235135 [13:46] Launchpad bug 235135 in flashplugin-nonfree "[MASTER] Please backport flashplugin-nonfree version 10 beta" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/235135 [13:47] !info libc6 intrepid [13:47] gnomefreak: and the asound-plugins bug? [13:47] libc6 (source: glibc): GNU C Library: Shared libraries. In component main, is required. Version 2.8~20080505-0ubuntu6 (intrepid), package size 4262 kB, installed size 10556 kB [13:47] gnomefreak: you should add that package to the same bug i guess [13:47] asac: i'll check in ubuntu now [13:48] asac: why asound-plugins? it doesnt work with them see post https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/235135/comments/19 [13:48] Launchpad bug 235135 in flashplugin-nonfree "[MASTER] Please backport flashplugin-nonfree version 10 beta" [Undecided,Confirmed] [13:48] gnomefreak: do we really want libflashsupport in -backports? afaict, it still crashes [13:48] asac: it doesnt crash here at all [13:48] maybe 64bit? [13:49] gnomefreak: go to youtube and watch video. hit back ... wait, hit forward, watch video ... repeat 10 times or so [13:49] asac: thats looking for a crash if your PC cant handle the load [13:50] gnomefreak: no [13:50] thats a race [13:50] flash is flash no matter what version you use [13:50] thats the original crash we had ... it still exists [13:50] ill try it [13:50] we should not use libflashsupport [13:50] so we need asound-plugins [13:51] we shouldnt have to backport asound anyway since the version in Hardy is conpatible with flash 10 [13:51] gnomefreak: it doesnt have the set-pulseaudio feature afaict [13:51] that was more for gutsy, as long as hardys is enabled it will work [13:51] gnomefreak: well ... i needed the asound plugin from your ppa from what i can tell [13:52] ill spin it but i doubt asound-plugins are gonna be enough [13:52] can you please verify that is the only package from my PPA that is needed to get it to work [13:54] gnomefreak: leaving for lunch now. but install wise it was the only needed (i didnt instlal libflashsupport) [13:55] asac: ok [13:57] asac: this is strange TBH but read the following [13:58] 08:56 < jpds > gnomefreak: they do the backporting with their sscripts [14:01] I got caught in the previously mentioned mailing I'm actually somewhat interested in helping out. [14:01] Triona: cool [14:01] asac: Hi, I have read now your email for FF 2.0.0.15 QA tests... I can made the QA test on Gutsy that I use abitually or on a virtulised Hardy... [14:02] Do you use Litmus for testing? [14:02] Triona: no. i guess thats an automization tool? [14:02] Volans: every test welcome .... dapper most desparately needed though ;) [14:02] asac, litmus.mozilla.org [14:03] Triona: does that run tests in your browser? [14:03] Correct. [14:04] asac: indeed I have a old pc with dapper on it... mmmh I can try to make the test if necessary [14:04] well.. it shows you tests that you run [14:04] s/a old/an old/ [14:04] Volans: VM dapper would also be fine. BUt just do what you can ;) [14:05] Triona: ill look into this after lunch. for now we just have mozilla.qa.ubuntu.com ... where there are instructions [14:06] with VBox I have always the fear that all works because of the clear fresh installation and the simple hardware [14:06] Volans: right. but for ffox case we dont want to test hardware (well lets hope) [14:06] I used to participate in mozilla test days / bug days, so just starting again [14:06] Volans: so should be more than fine [14:06] figured I'd get involved here too when I saw the spam :) [14:07] * asac out for lunch [14:07] ok :) [14:07] Triona: yes, lets talk about that after lunch :-D [14:07] hehe [14:08] ok.. poke me whenever... I'm gonna go back to bug day for a bit. [14:08] I've been slacking for the better part of a year [14:08] hehe [14:20] asac: ha! segfaults [14:20] asac: when you et back you can read this. I have it going through the right channels finally i should have reported it against *-backports but as a project not a package like i was doing. [14:20] (firefox:21964): Gtk-WARNING **: Useless empty GtkIconSource [14:20] (firefox:21964): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed [14:20] Segmentation fault [14:21] glib too high of a version? [14:21] although it wouldnt build [14:21] asac: now, buy me a ppc! [14:22] ok im gone for a while its starting to get hot in here [14:24] I have heard about free hugs ! [14:25] Note for asac: I took the liberty to made little changes on the plugin table in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/QA , hoping for a better appearence [14:40] hello, how can I apply for the test? [14:43] djdarkman: Hi, you mean how to made the test or where to put the results? [14:44] Volans: I found the test pages, but don`t know where do I need to submit the results after [14:45] from the email: The testing is done by running a test plan [ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/QA ] and submitting the results to the mozilla QA site: http://mozilla.qa.ubuntu.com [14:45] and does it matter if I test it under gnome or KDE? I don`t have ubuntu CD`s right now [14:47] maybe matter for the latest points in the QA test, I think you must specify which DE you have used [14:48] but for more specific questions is better to wait asac that is at launch now... [14:48] for me too is the first QA... I'm upgrading an old dapper to do the test [14:49] Is there a specific reason as to why ubuntu was removed in the ff3 user agent string by default? It was in ff2. [14:50] ok thanks Volans, I need to assemble my laptop first anyway [15:05] ok i anwered djdarkman question in -testing too [15:05] ok asac I found it, the log in link is very tiny, that`s why I didn`t find it (22" LCD screen) [15:06] asac: but after the login where to submit? [15:06] :) [15:06] yeah. the website is still "beta" [15:07] Volans: mozilla.qa.ubuntu.com ... [15:07] there select the build you are testing [15:07] e.g. dapper ... [15:07] or gutsy ... [15:07] or whatewver [15:07] and there you should be able to confirm the testcases [15:07] ok... :D [15:07] I thinking that the link on the build are for the packages :D [15:07] Volans: yeah ;) [15:08] room for improvement. that site sometimes has some easter-eggs [15:09] that virtualbox help mentioned in the mail is a little old btw [15:10] djdarkman_: oh. really? [15:12] asac: the proper way for a new profile creation is trough a command line option or elsewere in FF1.5? [15:13] I think it`s a little simpler to install virtual box [15:13] Volans: move your .mozilla folder to some backup space .... then start [15:13] ok [15:13] when finished remove the new .mozilla directory ... and move the backed-up one back in place [15:13] asac: is this the iso I should get? ubuntu-6.06.1-desktop-i386.iso [15:13] djdarkman_: read the instruction on top of http://mozilla.qa.ubuntu.com/ [15:14] asac: where's my ppc :P [15:14] djdarkman_: yes if you want to virtualise a dapper for doing the test ;) [15:15] djdarkman_: ah. this was about getting dapper setup. right. [15:15] i think thats the right iso (telling from name) [15:15] yes I want to test it under dapper, luckly my laptop can hendle virtualbox :) [15:15] *handle [15:16] grewat [15:16] asac: there was a question on the default user agent string on FF3 from vadi2 at 15:48 CEST (if you want to look at) [15:16] dapper is mui important as we maintain our own backports [15:16] djdarkman_ for vbox you can install it from packages as any other program in the repositories [15:17] vadi2: not sure what you mean by "removed the ff3 user agent string" ... [15:17] maybe give me a hint! [15:17] djdarkman_: yes. apt-get install virtualbox [15:18] I have virtualbox, grabbed it from sun`s website [15:18] asac: because it was in ff2 but not in ff3 [15:19] asac: ff3 in ubuntu simply reports "linux" [15:19] djdarkman_ why? vbox have two version one open and one closed [15:19] vadi2: ok. so you say that "ubuntu" is missing? [15:19] vadi2: your initial question suggests that we dont have a user string at all :) [15:20] no... "vadi2: Is there a specific reason as to why ubuntu was removed in the ff3 user agent string by default? It was in ff2." [15:20] Volans: dunno, sun`s license seems a little non-opensource(but that doesn`t stop me from using it), but there was(is) a version that I`m sure is open source(but has many bugs) [15:20] vadi2: point is that we had issues in the past with content-filtering ... e.g. some ubuntu users couldnt access some websites because some content filter thought they were a trojan [15:21] vadi2: yeah. sorry, misread then [15:21] asac: the hot june make some strange effect on you :) [15:21] Volans: wish it was hot here [15:21] er what? [15:21] yep there are two versions [15:21] http://www.sun.com/software/products/virtualbox/get.jsp [15:22] djdarkman_: ah ok. sorry for the confusion then. i ment what we have packaged as virtualbox [15:22] but i dont mind :) ... anything that works is ok. its just that virtualbox from our archive should work fine [15:23] djdarkman_ I know, I use packaged virtualbox (OSE version) since 1 year without any problem or crashes... I don't know the procedure to install the SUN's version... [15:23] I use Sun xVM VirtualBox 1.6 [15:23] the most simple and quick is via apt-get [15:25] djdarkman_: not sure. i'd suggest just to apt-get install virtualbox and try that. its just a few seconds away and is more or less proven to work for ubuntu [15:25] djdarkman_: but if suns virtualbox works fine let me know :) [15:26] asac: I use suns virtualbox, I`m a web developer and I use it to test webpages under evil platforms and evil browsers [15:28] djdarkman_: hehe [15:30] asac: so... ubuntu won't be back in the user agent string at all now? [15:31] vadi2: havent seen a reason why [15:31] vadi2: why? [15:31] just messes with all web stats completely, and doesn't help since websites filter "linux" more. [15:33] vadi2: who would be interested about ubuntu in webstats? [15:33] and let`s show the world how many ubuntu users are out there :) [15:33] quite a lot of people [15:33] vadi2: for what reason? [15:33] asac: some people use webstats for statistics (not too smart of them) [15:33] support for one. [15:34] support? so you want to deny support for firefox that runs on ubuntu? [15:34] or getting an idea what the user is running when he opens bugs? [15:35] in anycase, we can readd that in intrepid. changing user agent in hardy is most likely not within the bounds of SRUs [15:36] asac, are you back from lunch now? [15:36] Triona: yeah ;) [15:36] sorry [15:36] nah, it's ok... looks like you guys are quite busy here :) [15:37]