| dholbach | good morning | 06:30 |
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| robilad1 | hi dholbach | 06:45 |
| dholbach | hi robilad1 | 06:46 |
| persia | OOh! Traffic! Do we get an announcement soon? | 06:54 |
| robilad1 | announcement ... ? | 06:59 |
| robilad1 | ah, darn, the thing we spoke about at uds, i completely blended that out. | 07:02 |
| robilad1 | sigh. | 07:02 |
| persia | robilad1: No worries. You've been busy. Maybe we can have a meeting for interested parties in a couple weeks, and put together some targets for intrepid? | 07:05 |
| robilad1 | yeah, that'd be great! | 07:16 |
| dholbach | robilad1: it might be worth asking interested parties to add agenda items to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/Meeting | 07:18 |
| persia | We have such a page? That makes it easier :) | 07:18 |
| persia | robilad1: When is a good day/time for you? | 07:18 |
| * persia adds some agenda items | 07:19 | |
| dholbach | doko: who has op privileges in this channel? | 07:20 |
| dholbach | it might be worth linking https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam in the topic | 07:20 |
| robilad1 | friday & monday work best for me | 07:20 |
| dholbach | robilad1: do you think you could ask other interested people at Sun for their meeting date/time preferences and to add agenda items to the page? | 07:21 |
| persia | robilad1: What time (UTC)? Anything past about 14:00 is late for me. | 07:21 |
| robilad1 | dholbach: yes | 07:21 |
| dholbach | robilad1: gracias :) | 07:21 |
| dholbach | persia: can you add your name to your agenda items? | 07:24 |
| persia | dholbach: Err. RIght. Oops! | 07:25 |
| dholbach | np :) | 07:25 |
| robilad1 | working on the time schedule thingy | 07:31 |
| robilad1 | http://www.doodle.ch/fy7xd7hgrd59y7p5 | 07:35 |
| robilad1 | added my times to it | 07:40 |
| robilad1 | added the meeting wiki link, too. | 07:42 |
| robilad1 | meh, not an op. | 07:42 |
| robilad1 | dholbach: I'll send the doodle link around internally, too. | 07:43 |
| dholbach | thanks robilad1 | 07:44 |
| robilad1 | least i can do | 07:44 |
| persia | robilad1: Do we want to have the meeting here, or in #ubuntu-meeting? | 07:45 |
| robilad1 | good question ... could you explain what #ubuntu-meeting does/how it works? | 07:45 |
| dholbach | robilad1: #ubuntu-meeting is logged and has a meeting bot that can take notes, etc | 07:46 |
| dholbach | it's where meetings happen regularly | 07:46 |
| robilad1 | ah, ok, what's the availability schedule? | 07:47 |
| dholbach | if you join it, you can just say @schedule berlin and it will tell you the next meetings it knows about | 07:48 |
| persia | robilad1: It's posted on fridge.ubuntu.com, but it's open much of the time. | 07:48 |
| robilad1 | thank you | 07:48 |
| dholbach | it gets data from http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | 07:48 |
| robilad1 | ok. i'd suggest collecting some avilability data, and then going back to see whether #ubuntu-meeting is available, if not we'll do it here. | 07:51 |
| dholbach | sounds good | 07:52 |
| robilad1 | ok. changed the description to say #ubuntu-meeting | 07:53 |
| robilad1 | on the doodle poll | 07:53 |
| dholbach | this is going to be great | 07:54 |
| * robilad1 hugs dholbach | 07:57 | |
| robilad1 | it will, no worries! | 07:58 |
| * dholbach hugs robilad1 back :-) | 07:58 | |
| robilad1 | ;) | 07:58 |
| dholbach | what do I have to do to make ant-sanity-check happy? | 08:00 |
| dholbach | it complains about not having a valid JAVA_HOME or JAVACMD | 08:00 |
| dholbach | isn't it enough to just install the right package? | 08:00 |
| persia | dholbach: No, you also need to have the right variables set. This often happens in the build scripts. | 08:00 |
| dholbach | persia: that sucks | 08:01 |
| persia | Eventually, we won't be so depedent on being able to build against different targets, and the problem will go away (All hail OpenJDK) | 08:01 |
| dholbach | what's wrong with JAVACMD=/usr/bin/java ? | 08:01 |
| dholbach | just assuming it if it's unset | 08:02 |
| * persia lacks sufficient backstory | 08:02 | |
| dholbach | robilad1: ^? | 08:02 |
| dholbach | I'm just trying to sponsor a libjibx-java merge - and ant doesn't like me | 08:03 |
| persia | dholbach: You often have to have a large number of the build-dependencies installed locally to build source. If you can't build source with all the build-dependencies installed, it's a bug. | 08:04 |
| persia | You shouldn't have to set variables at sponsoring time. | 08:04 |
| * dholbach downloads build-deps | 08:05 | |
| * robilad1 passes the ant question to man-di | 08:05 | |
| man-di | robilad1: I'm not here... | 08:05 |
| dholbach | :-) | 08:05 |
| robilad1 | the one time I try to delegate ... ;) | 08:05 |
| * man-di needs to fight against that mobile OS here... | 08:06 | |
| robilad1 | ouch. good luck! | 08:06 |
| persia | man-di: Which mobile OS? | 08:06 |
| robilad1 | dholbach: /usr/bin/java is a bit too vague | 08:06 |
| persia | robilad1: Well, it *should* work... | 08:07 |
| man-di | dholbach: its a common secret that you need the JDK referenced in JAVA_HOME and ant installed to be able to run clean target for most Java packages | 08:07 |
| robilad1 | it could be a too old vm version, that the package couldn't rebuild against if the alternatives point to something else. | 08:07 |
| * persia thinks it's a bug, but acknowledges that it won't be solved for a while: possibly lenny+1, if we're lucky | 08:07 | |
| man-di | persia: Windows Mobile X | 08:07 |
| robilad1 | so yeah, JAVA_HOME it is. | 08:07 |
| persia | man-di: Ah. Best of luck. | 08:07 |
| man-di | persia: its definitely bug, but we ignore it since sarge or so | 08:08 |
| persia | man-di: Only since then? I thought it had been ignored since at least potato, if not earlier :) | 08:08 |
| man-di | robilad1: do you think my last mail about JAM was reasonable enough? | 08:09 |
| man-di | persia: I was not involved at that time so I dont know. My history books are empty about that time. | 08:09 |
| persia | man-di: I must admit I don't remember when there was first two JVMs either. | 08:10 |
| persia | s/was/were/ | 08:10 |
| robilad1 | man-di: yeah, i think so | 08:10 |
| dholbach | ok... installing all the build-deps inclunding sun-java6-jdk made it happy | 08:11 |
| robilad1 | thanks for pushing that conversation forward | 08:11 |
| robilad1 | I think you've managed to push alex out on IRC to see where those folks hang out ;) | 08:11 |
| persia | dholbach: Note that you may want to remove them afterwards if you sponsor a few Java things. Different packages need different sets of dependencies installed to build source. I recommend building the source in a snapshot chroot for now. | 08:12 |
| dholbach | right | 08:12 |
| robilad1 | man-di: what's your feeling, you're getting good feedback back from alex? | 08:14 |
| robilad1 | it's kind of hard to judge a conversation on pretty abstract matter just by the content, so ... | 08:15 |
| dholbach | hum - I might have missed parts of the conversation but how do we build stuff on the build daemons that use sun-java6-*? | 08:16 |
| persia | dholbach: You need to tell your chroot you've accepted the license. | 08:17 |
| man-di | robilad1: the feedback is good. It just shows me that Alex has a totally different background. He thinks like an upstream developer. | 08:17 |
| dholbach | persia: does soyuz auto-accept it? | 08:17 |
| man-di | robilad1: robilad1 but thats okay. we will push into the right direction | 08:17 |
| robilad1 | man-di: thanks, that's very good to know | 08:18 |
| man-di | robilad1: its good to have different backgrounds in the conversation as it brings in different views | 08:19 |
| man-di | robilad1: I just hope that the other people will add their opinions too after RedHat summit | 08:20 |
| persia | dholbach: Yes. You need to preseed "sun-java6-jdk shared/accepted-sun-dlj-v1-1 boolean true". I'm currently hunting the incantation... | 08:20 |
| robilad1 | man-di: yeah, me too, and I have a sense that having alex on board of that JSR has turned it around to be a lot more attentive to what we need. | 08:20 |
| dholbach | persia: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/KnowledgeBase ! :) | 08:21 |
| robilad1 | i'm sure they are all enjoying their weeks off after passing the TCK ;) | 08:21 |
| persia | dholbach: Hmm. That doesn't have it either. | 08:21 |
| dholbach | persia: it should :) | 08:22 |
| persia | dholbach: The only people I know to know the secret command are wgrant and cjwatson. | 08:22 |
| persia | slytherin: Just to catch you up, we're planning a meeting, with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/Meeting being the draft agenda. | 08:48 |
| persia | Did you ever get an answer to your java1.4 issue? | 08:49 |
| slytherin | persia: Nope. It was only important for batik but hopefully I will be able to upgrade batik to 1.7 in intrepid cycle. | 08:50 |
| dholbach | thanks persia for adding to the knowledgebase | 09:07 |
| Xsss4hell | hi | 14:30 |
| Xsss4hell | I get "Scanner cannot be resolved to a type" although the code is 100000% correct.. it must be somthing with paths.. can somebody help me? | 14:31 |
| Xsss4hell | I have Ubuntu hardy | 14:31 |
| robilad | you need to install openjdk and update-java-alternatives to point to it, I think. | 14:32 |
| Xsss4hell | I have installed sun-java not openjdk | 14:33 |
| Xsss4hell | because I wanted the original java | 14:33 |
| robilad | right | 14:34 |
| Xsss4hell | just reinstalling it.. maybe it works.. | 14:34 |
| Xsss4hell | hope so | 14:34 |
| Xsss4hell | no :( | 14:34 |
| man-di | your default Java is wrong | 14:34 |
| man-di | use update-java-alternativesto actually use SUN JDK | 14:35 |
| Xsss4hell | sudo update-java-alternatives -a ok? | 14:36 |
| Xsss4hell | still get the error | 14:37 |
| man-di | man update-java-alternatives should explain all | 14:37 |
| Xsss4hell | I need to mention that openjdk-6-jdk is not installed. | 14:37 |
| Xsss4hell | but sun | 14:37 |
| Xsss4hell | sun-jdk | 14:37 |
| Xsss4hell | java-6-sun 63 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun | 14:39 |
| Xsss4hell | java-gcj 1042 /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj | 14:39 |
| Xsss4hell | I get this with the -l option | 14:39 |
| man-di | and where does /etc/alterantives/javac now point too? | 14:41 |
| man-di | you want --set, not --auto btw | 14:41 |
| Xsss4hell | to /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/lib/rt.jar | 14:47 |
| Xsss4hell | and /usr/share/java/libgcj-4.2.jar | 14:47 |
| Xsss4hell | sudo update-alternatives -s and which path does it need? | 14:48 |
| Xsss4hell | /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun ? | 14:49 |
| man-di | update-java-alternatives, not update-alternatives | 14:50 |
| Xsss4hell | use this? sudo update-java-alternatives --set /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun | 14:51 |
| Xsss4hell | or is there another path missing or so | 14:51 |
| Xsss4hell | sorry I never had that problem before. thank you for helping me! | 14:52 |
| man-di | sudo update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun | 14:53 |
| Xsss4hell | wow it worked! | 14:53 |
| Xsss4hell | ty soooo much! | 14:53 |
| Xsss4hell | compiling runs so much faster now :D | 14:54 |
| Xsss4hell | lol | 14:54 |
| Xsss4hell | is there an editor with synthax highlighting for the console? | 15:00 |
| man-di | Vim, Emacs | 15:00 |
| Xsss4hell | which is easier to use and more powerfull? | 15:00 |
| Xsss4hell | i guess vim.. | 15:00 |
| man-di | both are not easy but very powerful | 15:00 |
| Xsss4hell | ty gonna try it | 15:05 |
| Xsss4hell | used nano before. | 15:05 |
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