[06:30] <dholbach> good morning
[06:45] <robilad1> hi dholbach
[06:46] <dholbach> hi robilad1
[06:54] <persia> OOh!  Traffic!  Do we get an announcement soon?
[06:59] <robilad1> announcement ... ?
[07:02] <robilad1> ah, darn, the thing we spoke about at uds, i completely blended that out.
[07:02] <robilad1> sigh.
[07:05] <persia> robilad1: No worries.  You've been busy.  Maybe we can have a meeting for interested parties in a couple weeks, and put together some targets for intrepid?
[07:16] <robilad1> yeah, that'd be great!
[07:18] <dholbach> robilad1: it might be worth asking interested parties to add agenda items to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/Meeting
[07:18] <persia> We have such a page?  That makes it easier :)
[07:18] <persia> robilad1: When is a good day/time for you?
[07:19]  * persia adds some agenda items
[07:20] <dholbach> doko: who has op privileges in this channel?
[07:20] <dholbach> it might be worth linking https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam in the topic
[07:20] <robilad1> friday & monday work best for me
[07:21] <dholbach> robilad1: do you think you could ask other interested people at Sun for their meeting date/time preferences and to add agenda items to the page?
[07:21] <persia> robilad1: What time (UTC)?  Anything past about 14:00 is late for me.
[07:21] <robilad1> dholbach: yes
[07:21] <dholbach> robilad1: gracias :)
[07:24] <dholbach> persia: can you add your name to your agenda items?
[07:25] <persia> dholbach: Err.  RIght.  Oops!
[07:25] <dholbach> np :)
[07:31] <robilad1> working on the time schedule thingy
[07:35] <robilad1> http://www.doodle.ch/fy7xd7hgrd59y7p5
[07:40] <robilad1> added my times to it
[07:42] <robilad1> added the meeting wiki link, too.
[07:42] <robilad1> meh, not an op.
[07:43] <robilad1> dholbach: I'll send the doodle link around internally, too.
[07:44] <dholbach> thanks robilad1
[07:44] <robilad1> least i can do
[07:45] <persia> robilad1: Do we want to have the meeting here, or in #ubuntu-meeting?
[07:45] <robilad1> good question ... could you explain what #ubuntu-meeting does/how it works?
[07:46] <dholbach> robilad1: #ubuntu-meeting is logged and has a meeting bot that can take notes, etc
[07:46] <dholbach> it's where meetings happen regularly
[07:47] <robilad1> ah, ok, what's the availability schedule?
[07:48] <dholbach> if you join it, you can just say  @schedule berlin   and it will tell you the next meetings it knows about
[07:48] <persia> robilad1: It's posted on fridge.ubuntu.com, but it's open much of the time.
[07:48] <robilad1> thank you
[07:48] <dholbach> it gets data from http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event
[07:51] <robilad1> ok. i'd suggest collecting some avilability data, and then going back to see whether #ubuntu-meeting is available, if not we'll do it here.
[07:52] <dholbach> sounds good
[07:53] <robilad1> ok. changed the description to say #ubuntu-meeting
[07:53] <robilad1> on the doodle poll
[07:54] <dholbach> this is going to be great
[07:57]  * robilad1 hugs dholbach
[07:58] <robilad1> it will, no worries!
[07:58]  * dholbach hugs robilad1 back :-)
[07:58] <robilad1> ;)
[08:00] <dholbach> what do I have to do to make ant-sanity-check happy?
[08:00] <dholbach> it complains about not having a valid JAVA_HOME or JAVACMD
[08:00] <dholbach> isn't it enough to just install the right package?
[08:00] <persia> dholbach: No, you also need to have the right variables set.  This often happens in the build scripts.
[08:01] <dholbach> persia: that sucks
[08:01] <persia> Eventually, we won't be so depedent on being able to build against different targets, and the problem will go away (All hail OpenJDK)
[08:01] <dholbach> what's wrong with  JAVACMD=/usr/bin/java ?
[08:02] <dholbach> just assuming it if it's unset
[08:02]  * persia lacks sufficient backstory
[08:02] <dholbach> robilad1: ^?
[08:03] <dholbach> I'm just trying to sponsor a libjibx-java merge - and ant doesn't like me
[08:04] <persia> dholbach: You often have to have a large number of the build-dependencies installed locally to build source.  If you can't build source with all the build-dependencies installed, it's a bug.
[08:04] <persia> You shouldn't have to set variables at sponsoring time.
[08:05]  * dholbach downloads build-deps
[08:05]  * robilad1 passes the ant question to man-di
[08:05] <man-di> robilad1: I'm not here...
[08:05] <dholbach> :-)
[08:05] <robilad1> the one time I try to delegate ... ;)
[08:06]  * man-di needs to fight against that mobile OS here...
[08:06] <robilad1> ouch. good luck!
[08:06] <persia> man-di: Which mobile OS?
[08:06] <robilad1> dholbach: /usr/bin/java is a bit too vague
[08:07] <persia> robilad1: Well, it *should* work...
[08:07] <man-di> dholbach: its a common secret that you need the JDK referenced in JAVA_HOME and ant installed to be able to run clean target for most Java packages
[08:07] <robilad1> it could be a too old vm version, that the package couldn't rebuild against if the alternatives point to something else.
[08:07]  * persia thinks it's a bug, but acknowledges that it won't be solved for a while: possibly lenny+1, if we're lucky
[08:07] <man-di> persia: Windows Mobile X
[08:07] <robilad1> so yeah, JAVA_HOME it is.
[08:07] <persia> man-di: Ah.  Best of luck.
[08:08] <man-di> persia: its definitely bug, but we ignore it since sarge or so
[08:08] <persia> man-di: Only since then?  I thought it had been ignored since at least potato, if not earlier :)
[08:09] <man-di> robilad1: do you think my last mail about JAM was reasonable enough?
[08:09] <man-di> persia: I was not involved at that time so I dont know. My history books are empty about that time.
[08:10] <persia> man-di: I must admit I don't remember when there was first two JVMs either.
[08:10] <persia> s/was/were/
[08:10] <robilad1> man-di: yeah, i think so
[08:11] <dholbach> ok... installing all the build-deps inclunding sun-java6-jdk made it happy
[08:11] <robilad1> thanks for pushing that conversation forward
[08:11] <robilad1> I think you've managed to push alex out on IRC to see where those folks hang out ;)
[08:12] <persia> dholbach: Note that you may want to remove them afterwards if you sponsor a few Java things.  Different packages need different sets of dependencies installed to build source.  I recommend building the source in a snapshot chroot for now.
[08:12] <dholbach> right
[08:14] <robilad1> man-di: what's your feeling, you're getting good feedback back from alex?
[08:15] <robilad1> it's kind of hard to judge a conversation on pretty abstract matter just by the content, so ...
[08:16] <dholbach> hum - I might have missed parts of the conversation but how do we build stuff on the build daemons that use sun-java6-*?
[08:17] <persia> dholbach: You need to tell your chroot you've accepted the license.
[08:17] <man-di> robilad1: the feedback is good. It just shows me that Alex has a totally different background. He thinks like an upstream developer.
[08:17] <dholbach> persia: does soyuz auto-accept it?
[08:17] <man-di> robilad1: robilad1 but thats okay. we will push into the right direction
[08:18] <robilad1> man-di: thanks, that's very good to know
[08:19] <man-di> robilad1: its good to have different backgrounds in the conversation as it brings in different views
[08:20] <man-di> robilad1: I just hope that the other people will add their opinions too after RedHat summit
[08:20] <persia> dholbach: Yes.  You need to preseed "sun-java6-jdk shared/accepted-sun-dlj-v1-1 boolean true".  I'm currently hunting the incantation...
[08:20] <robilad1> man-di: yeah, me too, and I have a sense that having alex on board of that JSR has turned it around to be a lot more attentive to what we need.
[08:21] <dholbach> persia:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/KnowledgeBase ! :)
[08:21] <robilad1> i'm sure they are all enjoying their weeks off after passing the TCK ;)
[08:21] <persia> dholbach: Hmm.  That doesn't have it either.
[08:22] <dholbach> persia: it should :)
[08:22] <persia> dholbach: The only people I know to know the secret command are wgrant and cjwatson.
[08:48] <persia> slytherin: Just to catch you up, we're planning a meeting, with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/Meeting being the draft agenda.
[08:49] <persia> Did you ever get an answer to your java1.4 issue?
[08:50] <slytherin> persia: Nope. It was only important for batik but hopefully I will be able to upgrade batik to 1.7 in intrepid cycle.
[09:07] <dholbach> thanks persia for adding to the knowledgebase
[14:30] <Xsss4hell> hi
[14:31] <Xsss4hell> I get "Scanner cannot be resolved to a type" although the code is 100000% correct.. it must be somthing with paths.. can somebody help me?
[14:31] <Xsss4hell> I have Ubuntu hardy
[14:32] <robilad> you need to install openjdk and update-java-alternatives to point to it, I think.
[14:33] <Xsss4hell> I have installed sun-java not openjdk
[14:33] <Xsss4hell> because I wanted the original java
[14:34] <robilad> right
[14:34] <Xsss4hell> just reinstalling it.. maybe it works..
[14:34] <Xsss4hell> hope so
[14:34] <Xsss4hell> no :(
[14:34] <man-di> your default Java is wrong
[14:35] <man-di> use update-java-alternativesto actually use SUN JDK
[14:36] <Xsss4hell> sudo update-java-alternatives -a ok?
[14:37] <Xsss4hell> still get the error
[14:37] <man-di> man update-java-alternatives should explain all
[14:37] <Xsss4hell> I need to mention that openjdk-6-jdk is not installed.
[14:37] <Xsss4hell> but sun
[14:37] <Xsss4hell> sun-jdk
[14:39] <Xsss4hell> java-6-sun 63 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun
[14:39] <Xsss4hell> java-gcj 1042 /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj
[14:39] <Xsss4hell> I get this with the -l option
[14:41] <man-di> and where does /etc/alterantives/javac now point too?
[14:41] <man-di> you want --set, not --auto btw
[14:47] <Xsss4hell> to /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/lib/rt.jar
[14:47] <Xsss4hell> and  /usr/share/java/libgcj-4.2.jar
[14:48] <Xsss4hell> sudo update-alternatives -s and which path does it need?
[14:49] <Xsss4hell> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun ?
[14:50] <man-di> update-java-alternatives, not update-alternatives
[14:51] <Xsss4hell> use this? sudo update-java-alternatives --set /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun
[14:51] <Xsss4hell> or is there another path missing or so
[14:52] <Xsss4hell> sorry I never had that problem before. thank you for helping me!
[14:53] <man-di>  sudo update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun
[14:53] <Xsss4hell> wow it worked!
[14:53] <Xsss4hell> ty soooo much!
[14:54] <Xsss4hell> compiling runs so much faster now :D
[14:54] <Xsss4hell> lol
[15:00] <Xsss4hell> is there an editor with synthax highlighting for the console?
[15:00] <man-di> Vim, Emacs
[15:00] <Xsss4hell> which is easier to use and more powerfull?
[15:00] <Xsss4hell> i guess vim..
[15:00] <man-di> both are not easy but very powerful
[15:05] <Xsss4hell> ty gonna try it
[15:05] <Xsss4hell> used nano before.