[06:30] good morning === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [06:45] hi dholbach [06:46] hi robilad1 [06:54] OOh! Traffic! Do we get an announcement soon? [06:59] announcement ... ? [07:02] ah, darn, the thing we spoke about at uds, i completely blended that out. [07:02] sigh. [07:05] robilad1: No worries. You've been busy. Maybe we can have a meeting for interested parties in a couple weeks, and put together some targets for intrepid? [07:16] yeah, that'd be great! [07:18] robilad1: it might be worth asking interested parties to add agenda items to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/Meeting [07:18] We have such a page? That makes it easier :) [07:18] robilad1: When is a good day/time for you? [07:19] * persia adds some agenda items [07:20] doko: who has op privileges in this channel? [07:20] it might be worth linking https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam in the topic [07:20] friday & monday work best for me [07:21] robilad1: do you think you could ask other interested people at Sun for their meeting date/time preferences and to add agenda items to the page? [07:21] robilad1: What time (UTC)? Anything past about 14:00 is late for me. [07:21] dholbach: yes [07:21] robilad1: gracias :) [07:24] persia: can you add your name to your agenda items? [07:25] dholbach: Err. RIght. Oops! [07:25] np :) [07:31] working on the time schedule thingy [07:35] http://www.doodle.ch/fy7xd7hgrd59y7p5 [07:40] added my times to it [07:42] added the meeting wiki link, too. [07:42] meh, not an op. [07:43] dholbach: I'll send the doodle link around internally, too. [07:44] thanks robilad1 [07:44] least i can do [07:45] robilad1: Do we want to have the meeting here, or in #ubuntu-meeting? [07:45] good question ... could you explain what #ubuntu-meeting does/how it works? [07:46] robilad1: #ubuntu-meeting is logged and has a meeting bot that can take notes, etc [07:46] it's where meetings happen regularly [07:47] ah, ok, what's the availability schedule? [07:48] if you join it, you can just say @schedule berlin and it will tell you the next meetings it knows about [07:48] robilad1: It's posted on fridge.ubuntu.com, but it's open much of the time. [07:48] thank you [07:48] it gets data from http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event [07:51] ok. i'd suggest collecting some avilability data, and then going back to see whether #ubuntu-meeting is available, if not we'll do it here. [07:52] sounds good [07:53] ok. changed the description to say #ubuntu-meeting [07:53] on the doodle poll [07:54] this is going to be great [07:57] * robilad1 hugs dholbach [07:58] it will, no worries! [07:58] * dholbach hugs robilad1 back :-) [07:58] ;) [08:00] what do I have to do to make ant-sanity-check happy? [08:00] it complains about not having a valid JAVA_HOME or JAVACMD [08:00] isn't it enough to just install the right package? [08:00] dholbach: No, you also need to have the right variables set. This often happens in the build scripts. [08:01] persia: that sucks [08:01] Eventually, we won't be so depedent on being able to build against different targets, and the problem will go away (All hail OpenJDK) [08:01] what's wrong with JAVACMD=/usr/bin/java ? [08:02] just assuming it if it's unset [08:02] * persia lacks sufficient backstory [08:02] robilad1: ^? [08:03] I'm just trying to sponsor a libjibx-java merge - and ant doesn't like me [08:04] dholbach: You often have to have a large number of the build-dependencies installed locally to build source. If you can't build source with all the build-dependencies installed, it's a bug. [08:04] You shouldn't have to set variables at sponsoring time. [08:05] * dholbach downloads build-deps [08:05] * robilad1 passes the ant question to man-di [08:05] robilad1: I'm not here... [08:05] :-) [08:05] the one time I try to delegate ... ;) [08:06] * man-di needs to fight against that mobile OS here... [08:06] ouch. good luck! [08:06] man-di: Which mobile OS? [08:06] dholbach: /usr/bin/java is a bit too vague [08:07] robilad1: Well, it *should* work... [08:07] dholbach: its a common secret that you need the JDK referenced in JAVA_HOME and ant installed to be able to run clean target for most Java packages [08:07] it could be a too old vm version, that the package couldn't rebuild against if the alternatives point to something else. [08:07] * persia thinks it's a bug, but acknowledges that it won't be solved for a while: possibly lenny+1, if we're lucky [08:07] persia: Windows Mobile X [08:07] so yeah, JAVA_HOME it is. [08:07] man-di: Ah. Best of luck. [08:08] persia: its definitely bug, but we ignore it since sarge or so [08:08] man-di: Only since then? I thought it had been ignored since at least potato, if not earlier :) [08:09] robilad1: do you think my last mail about JAM was reasonable enough? [08:09] persia: I was not involved at that time so I dont know. My history books are empty about that time. [08:10] man-di: I must admit I don't remember when there was first two JVMs either. [08:10] s/was/were/ [08:10] man-di: yeah, i think so [08:11] ok... installing all the build-deps inclunding sun-java6-jdk made it happy [08:11] thanks for pushing that conversation forward [08:11] I think you've managed to push alex out on IRC to see where those folks hang out ;) [08:12] dholbach: Note that you may want to remove them afterwards if you sponsor a few Java things. Different packages need different sets of dependencies installed to build source. I recommend building the source in a snapshot chroot for now. [08:12] right [08:14] man-di: what's your feeling, you're getting good feedback back from alex? [08:15] it's kind of hard to judge a conversation on pretty abstract matter just by the content, so ... [08:16] hum - I might have missed parts of the conversation but how do we build stuff on the build daemons that use sun-java6-*? [08:17] dholbach: You need to tell your chroot you've accepted the license. [08:17] robilad1: the feedback is good. It just shows me that Alex has a totally different background. He thinks like an upstream developer. [08:17] persia: does soyuz auto-accept it? [08:17] robilad1: robilad1 but thats okay. we will push into the right direction [08:18] man-di: thanks, that's very good to know [08:19] robilad1: its good to have different backgrounds in the conversation as it brings in different views [08:20] robilad1: I just hope that the other people will add their opinions too after RedHat summit [08:20] dholbach: Yes. You need to preseed "sun-java6-jdk shared/accepted-sun-dlj-v1-1 boolean true". I'm currently hunting the incantation... [08:20] man-di: yeah, me too, and I have a sense that having alex on board of that JSR has turned it around to be a lot more attentive to what we need. [08:21] persia: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/KnowledgeBase ! :) [08:21] i'm sure they are all enjoying their weeks off after passing the TCK ;) [08:21] dholbach: Hmm. That doesn't have it either. [08:22] persia: it should :) [08:22] dholbach: The only people I know to know the secret command are wgrant and cjwatson. [08:48] slytherin: Just to catch you up, we're planning a meeting, with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/Meeting being the draft agenda. [08:49] Did you ever get an answer to your java1.4 issue? [08:50] persia: Nope. It was only important for batik but hopefully I will be able to upgrade batik to 1.7 in intrepid cycle. [09:07] thanks persia for adding to the knowledgebase [14:30] hi [14:31] I get "Scanner cannot be resolved to a type" although the code is 100000% correct.. it must be somthing with paths.. can somebody help me? [14:31] I have Ubuntu hardy [14:32] you need to install openjdk and update-java-alternatives to point to it, I think. [14:33] I have installed sun-java not openjdk [14:33] because I wanted the original java [14:34] right [14:34] just reinstalling it.. maybe it works.. [14:34] hope so [14:34] no :( [14:34] your default Java is wrong [14:35] use update-java-alternativesto actually use SUN JDK [14:36] sudo update-java-alternatives -a ok? [14:37] still get the error [14:37] man update-java-alternatives should explain all [14:37] I need to mention that openjdk-6-jdk is not installed. [14:37] but sun [14:37] sun-jdk [14:39] java-6-sun 63 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun [14:39] java-gcj 1042 /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj [14:39] I get this with the -l option [14:41] and where does /etc/alterantives/javac now point too? [14:41] you want --set, not --auto btw [14:47] to /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/lib/rt.jar [14:47] and /usr/share/java/libgcj-4.2.jar [14:48] sudo update-alternatives -s and which path does it need? [14:49] /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun ? [14:50] update-java-alternatives, not update-alternatives [14:51] use this? sudo update-java-alternatives --set /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun [14:51] or is there another path missing or so [14:52] sorry I never had that problem before. thank you for helping me! [14:53] sudo update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun [14:53] wow it worked! [14:53] ty soooo much! [14:54] compiling runs so much faster now :D [14:54] lol [15:00] is there an editor with synthax highlighting for the console? [15:00] Vim, Emacs [15:00] which is easier to use and more powerfull? [15:00] i guess vim.. [15:00] both are not easy but very powerful [15:05] ty gonna try it [15:05] used nano before.