[00:02] <zul>  /msg kees wth with the mod_cache stuff?
[00:03] <kees> :)
[00:03] <kees> I need to sort it out with slangasek
[00:03] <kees> zul: ^^
[00:18] <emgent> heya
[01:54] <moosepants> Hi guys. I see someone has published Subversion 1.5 for Intrepid. I downloaded the source this morning and built it for Hardy. Is there a place I can chuck this for people to test/etc? Should I bother?
[01:55] <moosepants> source package etc that is
[02:00] <zul> moosepants: you can place it in your ppa if you wish
[02:00] <moosepants> zul: Yes might do that, at least for the guys here at work anyway
[02:48] <pwnguin> hey, if i see a change log that goes (in increasing chronological order) unstable, feisty, unstable, feisty, does that mean debian pulled from ubuntu?
[02:52] <ScottK> pwnguin: No.  It means it's been merged from Debian multiple times.
[02:53] <pwnguin> ok
[02:54] <ScottK> If you want to see a package where Debian pulled from Ubuntu, look at klamav.
[02:54] <ScottK> You won't be suprised when you see who did it.
[02:55] <pwnguin> klam or clam?
[02:55] <ScottK> klam
[02:55] <pwnguin> i see
[02:58] <moosepants> Hi, perhaps someone here can help. I downloaded a package source for Intrepid, and pbuilt it under Hardy. I have discovered a problem now, and would like to build it against a different library
[02:59] <moosepants> The source.orig doesn't have the /debian directory, so do I edit the .dsc file?
[02:59] <moosepants> or can debuild create the /debian from the dsc?
[03:02] <Laney> moosepants: You can use dpkg -x <.dsc file> to unpack the source package.
[03:04] <moosepants> Laney: Thanks, I'll give it a whirl
[03:06] <arvind_khadri> hi...i wanted to know that how do we create a *.deb out of say a text editor code written in C
[03:07] <moosepants> Laney: Sorry, I think I already have the contents of the source package - the source.orig.tar.gz, the source.dsc and source.diff.gz file. However, the source.orig.tar.gz file doesn't contain a /debian directory. I presume the debuild process creates the .dsc from the /debian directory - I want to do the reverse
[03:07] <Laney> moosepants: The diff.gz will contain the debian changes.
[03:08] <Laney> So if you unpack the source package using the command I gave you then you'll get a package-version directory which will have a debian/ subdirectory that you can edit
[03:08] <ScottK> moosepants: dpkg-source -x FILENAME.dsc will unpack the source package with the debian dir in it.
[03:08] <ScottK> Laney: It is dpkg-source though, not dpkg.
[03:08] <Laney> ScottK: Yes, of course.
[03:09] <RAOF> arvind_khadri: By making a source package based on the C source code.  You probably want to check out the PackagingGuide.
[03:09] <moosepants> ScottK, Laney: Thanks, I'll give this a go and see how I fare. Cheers
[03:09] <ScottK> Cheers.
[03:09] <arvind_khadri> RAOF thanks...can you please direct me there
[03:10] <RAOF> arvind_khadri: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[03:11] <arvind_khadri> RAOF, thanks a lot
[03:11] <RAOF> There may be a newer version; that was just the first one I stumbled upon when browsing wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[03:11] <arvind_khadri> RAOF, oh ok...i would check out for the new version
[03:12] <ScottK> RAOF and arvind_khadri: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[03:12] <ScottK> That's the most current.
[03:13] <arvind_khadri> ScottK, thanks to you too
[03:20] <moosepants> ScottK: After changing the library in the control, rebuilding the dsc and trying to pbuild it again I get a unmet dependency because the library I have changed to is a virtual package.  Why is this failing?
[03:20] <ScottK> What library?
[03:22] <moosepants> ScottK: libneon26-gnutls-dev (the package source I originally grabbed from Intrepid uses libneon27-gnutls-dev, and am backporting to Hardy). The package is Subversion, and I have seen a bug (that I am experiencing also) that is likely caused by libneon27-gnutls
[03:22] <arvind_khadri> is it necessary that we have a make file in *.deb too...it is only meant for the *.tar right??
[03:23] <ScottK> arvind_khadri: It's not needed unless you can't use the upstream one.
[03:23] <ScottK> moosepants: What is the exact error you get?
[03:24] <persia> arvind_khadri: debian/rules is traditionally a Makefile, which often makes an additional Makefile unnecessary.
[03:24] <ScottK> IIRC it's required by policy to be a make file.
[03:25] <arvind_khadri> persia, oh ok...
[03:25] <moosepants> ScottK: Well I run pbuild and it does the thing where it grabs the deps. And I get the line "E: pbuilder-satisfydepends failed." before it cleans up and exits. Further up I read "The following packages have unmet dependencies:  pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: libneon26-gnutls-dev which is a virtual package."
[03:26] <moosepants> I can epaste it (or whatever its called if you like... ?)
[03:26] <persia> ScottK: Thanks.  I've seen packages with different interpreters, but hadn't realised those were policy violations.
[03:26] <ScottK> Pastebin.
[03:26] <moosepants> ScottK: ;)
[03:26] <ScottK> persia: There are a few of those.  I can't remember for sure if it is policy or it will soon be policy.
[03:27] <ScottK> !pastebin | moosepants
[03:27] <persia> ScottK: It's listed as "must" in 3.8.0.
[03:27] <ScottK> OK.
[03:27] <ScottK> There we have it.
[03:27]  * persia hasn't checked diffs to determine when it became policy
[03:28] <moosepants> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/22762/
[03:28]  * ScottK wrote his first README.source this week.
[03:28] <ScottK> The short version is see man cdbs-edit-patch.
[03:28]  * ScottK looks
[03:29] <ScottK> moosepants: My recommendation is modify your pbuilder to use the 'classic' version of satisfydepends.
[03:29] <moosepants> ScottK: Thanks, I'll look into it (I only started using it yesterday =] )
[03:30] <ScottK> Look in /etc/pbuilderrc
[03:30] <crimsun_> libneon26-gnutls-dev is in universe.
[03:30] <ScottK> Ah.  moosepants Is universe enabled on your pbuilder?
[03:30] <moosepants> ScottK: Ah.. probably not. I'll have a look in the rc file
[03:31] <ScottK> crimsun_ may have it figured out better than I do.  I'd look at that first.
[03:35]  * ScottK wonders why "Launchpad Design and Usability Engineer" is listed as an Ubuntu job?
[03:37] <pwnguin> because canonical is special, duh.
[03:38] <moosepants> ScottK, crimsun_: After uncommenting the line that specifies the components, and do a pbuilder update, it still only pulls from main. Do I have to do a complete pbuilder create again?
[03:39] <ScottK> No.
[03:39] <crimsun_> update --override-config
[05:01] <nxvl> when are revu days?
[05:02] <nxvl> are there some programmed already?
[05:02] <persia> nxvl: They were once announced for every wednesday, but nobody has been leading them.
[05:05] <persia> nxvl: This being wednesday somewhere, you might advertise your package, and see if anyone comments.
[05:10] <nxvl> persia: i have, on the server-team list
[05:10] <nxvl> :D
[05:11] <ajmitch> then hope that the small overlap of people will look at your package
[05:12] <nxvl> yep
[05:12] <nxvl> also they talked about it in today's server meeting
[05:13]  * ajmitch decided to miss that meeting
[05:20] <persia> nxvl: Asking here is more likely to target a MOTU to review, unless it's server-team specific :)
[05:26] <Hobbsee> ScottK: it's because canonical have a wish to hire inside the ubuntu community, if they can.
[05:27]  * ScottK doesn't think it's accurate to describe it as an Ubuntu job.
[05:28] <persia> That page is frustrating for all sorts of reasons.
[05:29] <persia> I liked it better when there was another position posted, but it went away.
[05:29] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[05:30] <Hobbsee> heya ajmitch
[05:30] <ajmitch> talking about the LP jobs?
[05:30] <Hobbsee> yeah
[06:30] <dholbach> good morning
[06:35] <nxvl> dholbach: good $TZ_TIME_OF_DAY
[06:35] <nxvl> dholbach: i was waiting for you
[06:35] <nxvl> dholbach: i replied to you on revu
[06:35] <nxvl> dholbach: the amd64 error seems to be a weird/random error
[06:36] <dholbach> nxvl: aha?
[06:36] <wgrant> It's not OOo, so it can't have weird/random errors!
[06:36] <nxvl> dholbach: i have build augeas on my ppa and it build for amd64
[06:37] <dholbach> nxvl: alright - I'll take a look later on
[06:38] <nxvl> dholbach: i also made some changes early today (in this tz) and uploaded again, maybe it fixes the build error
[06:38] <nxvl> but, how did you build it? pbuilder or just debuild
[06:38] <nxvl> ?
[06:38] <dholbach> pbuilder
[06:39] <nxvl> mm
[06:39] <nxvl> weird
[07:11] <wgrant> jpds: Are you planning to have Bugzilla 3.0.4 synced from Debian? It's there now.
[07:30] <kirkland> dholbach: hi there, would you have time to review a package merge of mine, and sponsor an upload?
[07:31] <kirkland> (or anyone else for that matter...)
[07:32] <kirkland> http://people.ubuntu.com/~kirkland/audacious/
[07:32] <kirkland> ^ audacious merged for intrepid
[07:33] <kirkland> tjaalton: hey, it looks like you were the last one to upload, perhaps you might reivew?
[07:33] <persia> kirkland: It still needs a merge?  I thought nenolod had put together the necessary distribution detection in the build system.
[07:34] <kirkland> persia: http://merges.ubuntu.com/a/audacious/REPORT
[07:34] <persia> nenolod: ?
[07:34] <nenolod> i haven't had an opportunity yet.
[07:34] <nenolod> it'll be in 1.5.2.
[07:35] <persia> nenolod: Is that likely in a few weeks, or should we merge again for now?
[07:35] <nenolod> i'd merge, cause 1.5.2 does not have a set release date yet.
[07:35] <nenolod> we're looking at mid-july probably.
[07:36] <persia> nenolod: Makes sense.  Thanks.
[07:37] <dholbach> kirkland: would you mind following  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess ? I'm doing a bunch of sponsoring right now and I'd process it in the queue (or somebody else if I'm too slow) :)
[07:37] <kirkland> dholbach: oh, sure, no problemo!
[07:38] <dholbach> rock on!
[07:42] <wgrant> Hmm, I find it interesting that (on LP) canonical-server's emblem is ubuntu-server's emblem but with an Ubuntu logo on top.
[07:42] <kirkland> nenolod: persia: any chance one of you can review/upload?  I have filed a bug in LP: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/audacious/+bug/242841
[07:42] <ubott2> Launchpad bug 242841 in audacious "please merge audacious_1.5.1-1" [Undecided,New]
[07:45] <persia> kirkland: neither of us has permission to upload that :)
[07:45] <kirkland> ah, okay, no worries
[07:46] <persia> Wait, it's in universe?  I thought it was in main.
[07:46] <kirkland> i should call it a night anyway
[07:46] <kirkland> persia: yeah, universe
[07:46] <persia> kirkland: I'll look at it later then.
[07:47] <nenolod> the merge is fine
[07:47] <nenolod> bbl
[07:57]  * dholbach takes a look at libjibx-java
[08:10] <wgrant> ScottK: Bug #217256 has CVE-2008-183[5-7] associated with it, but I can't see any relevance. Can you please confirm their status?
[08:10] <ubott2> Launchpad bug 217256 in clamav "ClamAV Upack Processing Buffer Overflow Vulnerability" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217256
[08:20] <pwnguin> gah i hate the forums
[08:21] <pwnguin> there's a bug report in a closed forum that's valid; i'd like to add a reply to tell him to subscribe in LP, but it's closed so no comments =(
[08:43] <persia> wgrant: Would you mind reminding me of the incantation to allow Java to work in a build chroot?  I'm not finding your several prior repetitions in my logs.  I promise to write it down somewhere useful this time :)
[08:46] <slytherin> persia: Just got your mail. Is the time for meeting in UTC?
[08:47] <persia> slytherin: Yes.  You may also want to join #ubuntu-java, which seems to have a little more traffic now, although still not much.
[08:55] <wgrant> persia: echo "buildd shared/accepted-sun-dlj-v1-1 boolean true" | debconf-set-selections
[08:55] <wgrant> That's what I've found from my logs, though there might be something else - I'll check the rebuildd chroots.
[08:57] <persia> wgrant: Thank you very much.
[08:57] <wgrant> That seems to be all.
[08:58] <directhex> i think the opensuse build service has a package to set that setting as part of their debbuntu buildds
[08:59] <wgrant> Hopefully it will be unnecessary soon, anyway.
[09:29] <jpds> wgrant: yes, I know, I haven't had time to file the request tho..
[09:30] <wgrant> jpds: Thanks.
[09:30] <pwnguin> wgrant: ive a question about xournal -- have we really not merged with debian since feisty?
[09:30] <wgrant> Just wondering, as it has its share of CVEs.
[09:31] <wgrant> pwnguin: We have new upstream releases, but have not merged with Debian.
[09:31] <wgrant> And I'm not TIL any more, so...
[09:31] <pwnguin> right, but you started it ;)
[09:32] <pwnguin> we're fine
[09:32] <wgrant> I did introduce a new upstream release, but merged with Debian soon after.
[09:32] <pwnguin> i just wanted to make sure i wasnt crazy
[09:32] <wgrant> Has there been anything to merge?
[09:32] <pwnguin> doubt it
[09:33] <wgrant> It seems odd that we've had two well-spaced uploads by different people, but no merges.
[09:33] <pwnguin> the latest debian upload happened in  june 3rd
[09:33] <pwnguin> as an NMU
[09:33] <wgrant> Aha.
[09:33] <wgrant> New upstream release?
[09:34] <wgrant> (sorry, eating at the moment, so can't really check much)
[09:34] <pwnguin> basically they're catching up with ubuntu ;)
[09:34] <wgrant> We're ahead in something? That'd be a first.
[09:34] <pwnguin> well
[09:34] <pwnguin> i was reluctant about it, but we've got precedent and a really angry upstream
[09:35] <wgrant> Oh, did you NMU it?
[09:35] <pwnguin> nope
[09:35] <wgrant> Or angry about us?
[09:35] <pwnguin> angry about us
[09:35] <wgrant> With our X changes?
[09:35] <pwnguin> for not shipping a new version in hardy
[09:35] <wgrant> Did they bother to tell us pre-release?
[09:35] <pwnguin> nope
[09:36] <wgrant> Then they should run off and complain to themselves.
[09:36] <pwnguin> heh
[09:36] <pwnguin> i might ask in a week or so if there's any plans
[09:36] <pwnguin> for intrepid
[09:37] <wgrant> We can't actually feasibly monitor 12000 upstreams, I'm sorry.
[09:37] <pwnguin> but they're really not what you'd call a reliable upstream release engineer
[09:37] <wgrant> Heh.
[09:37] <pwnguin> two releases in the past year shipped with point releases days later because of terrible bugs
[09:38] <pwnguin> with simple fixes at least
[09:38] <wgrant> If they want to interact with Launchpad and get somebody on their side to upload it, that might be good.
[09:38] <pwnguin> im reluctant to suggest to an MIT math professor and fedora user that they should switch to a closed source LP
[09:39] <pwnguin> what does this "interact with launchpad" entail for them?
[09:39] <DktrKranz> Does anybody know if there's a list of compatible hardware for Ubuntu Mobile Edition?
[09:39] <wgrant> File bugs if they notice issues with the Ubuntu package, I guess.
[09:39] <wgrant> persia: ^^?
[09:40] <pwnguin> theres tons of bug reports in the xournal sourceforge related to ubuntu, but mostly it looks like its because we're the only usable group around ^_^
[09:40] <pwnguin> DktrKranz: you'll know its compatible because it was sold to you preinstalled, I'd say
[09:40] <wgrant> Does his pet distro not have it?
[09:41] <wgrant> pwnguin: I know persia runs it on some strange hardware.
[09:44] <pwnguin> wgrant: xournal appears to only be available in fedora 7
[09:44] <pwnguin> but maybe im reading their website wrong
[09:46] <wgrant> Aren't we up to Fedora 9?
[09:46] <directhex> yes
[09:46] <pwnguin> i think so?
[09:46] <wgrant> Oh, Fedora 7 and only 7?
[09:47] <directhex> nice to see fedora's met its goal of having a proper ps3 version by fedora 7
[09:47] <directhex> (/sarcasm)
[09:47] <directhex> of course, ubuntu's now officially junk on that front, so glass houses & all that
[09:47] <wgrant> directhex: I believe that kernel fixes are on the way, though they won't make 8.04.1.
[09:48] <pwnguin> how do you upgrade a kernel fix when it wont boot?
[09:48] <pwnguin> dist-upgrade from 7.10?
[09:48] <wgrant> pwnguin: By waiting for 8.04.2 or a specially-rolled PS3 image, I would suggest.
[09:48] <directhex> wgrant, perhaps one day the ps3 will be a second class citizen, rather than third class
[09:49] <wgrant> directhex: Or perhaps people should be using proper PCs.
[09:49] <wgrant> And leaving gaming consoles to be gaming consoles.
[09:49] <pwnguin> directhex: wake me up when ubuntu runs on the wii :P
[09:50] <pwnguin> till then, go bug BenC, since he's the one who's using a PS3 as a video player
[09:51] <slytherin> how are the ps3 kernel images compiled?
[09:52] <wgrant> Same way as the rest, no?
[09:52] <pwnguin> one bit at a time?
[09:52] <pwnguin> or maybe byte
[09:52] <pwnguin> it should just be a ppc image
[09:53] <pwnguin> its not like you get great access to the awesome hardware underneath
[09:54] <directhex> you get some cell access, which makes for an interesting tinker toyu
[09:54] <Hobbsee> directhex: of course, this is the advantage in not having totally-volunteer based stuff, instead of only mostly-volunteer based stuff.
[09:54] <Hobbsee> directhex: still, you can be one of the ones who is personally responsible for it, if you want it
[09:55] <Hobbsee> there's another guy already doing stuff with it, and has been in #ubuntu-devel over the past few weeks about it, iirc.
[09:56] <directhex> i lack the required kernel wrangling knowledge
[09:56] <Hobbsee> then get it.
[09:56] <Hobbsee> armchair wishing, while it might be fun, really doesn't get you anywhere.
[09:57]  * Hobbsee is sure there's documentation around, if you're determined enough to find it.
[09:57]  * ajmitch wanders in, sees a whole lot of complaining, wanders out again
[09:58]  * wgrant complains about ajmitch's hasty exit.
[09:58] <Hobbsee> but, y'know, clearly it's unfair that a volunteer hasn't put in the time and effort to do what you want to see done...
[09:58] <pwnguin> which volunteer?
[09:59] <pwnguin> its just a slight bit unfair when colin and ben start something and walk away. but not enough to trigger my sympathy gland :)
[10:00] <Hobbsee> pwnguin: i thought it started with an X.
[10:01] <pwnguin> i dont follow
[10:01] <Hobbsee> pwnguin: yeah.  likewise, it's unfair when any person stops writing a program or functionality that I want.  Or don't start writing it in the first place.
[10:01] <Hobbsee> pwnguin: oh, right.  any volunteer.
[10:01] <Hobbsee> the guy who keeps being in -devel about it starts with an x, iirc.
[10:01] <pwnguin> Hobbsee: well, there's this bit nobody rembers about the CoC
[10:02] <Hobbsee> pwnguin: stepping down responsibly means not getting rid of mission criticla systems.
[10:02] <pwnguin> where it says step down gracefuly. i'd argue that looking for replacements is part of that
[10:02] <Hobbsee> and such
[10:03] <directhex> there's work, and there's banging your head against a brick wall. using the fedora example, patches to get the distro working "out of the box" have been festering in the fedora bugzilla for over a year, but those who can implement the back-end changes required are disinterested in doing so
[10:03] <directhex> at any rate, moaning about ps3 linux feels FAR more productive than fighting with kerberos on mac right now.
[10:03] <pwnguin> but this is a bit unfair. colin did notify everyone that he was stepping down, to my recollection
[10:03] <Hobbsee> so, what you're syaing is that anyone who develops something, and has it in ubuntu, is required to provide support for it indefinetly, and to give users other possibilities for it, indefinetly, no matter when the last time they did something on it was.
[10:04] <Hobbsee> i'm afraid i can't agree with your interpretation of the CoC then.
[10:04] <pwnguin> yes, you've perfectly summarized my sentence with a paragraph
[10:04] <Hobbsee> the GPL doesn't even require that, to my knowledge.
[10:05] <pwnguin> i dont know enough about the ps3 situation to really place any blame for the state of the community (or lack thereof)
[10:05] <pwnguin> being that i lack 600 dollars
[10:06]  * Hobbsee wonders how many of the ubuntu developers are prepared to support anything they write, for the rest of their earthly lives.
[10:06] <pwnguin> i never said that, you did :P
[10:06] <StevenK> pwnguin: Right, so I wrote Linda, a package checker, and it was in Ubuntu. It's since been removed, but if you want to use it, you'll ask me for support because I wrote it?
[10:06] <Hobbsee> as a summary of your statement, yes.  Which you then agreed with.
[10:07] <pwnguin> theres no reason to get snippy; apparently i misplaced a </sarcasm> tag
[10:08] <directhex> it's the "if it doesn't work for you, fix it or bugger off" snippiness. i use it all the time in #mythtv-users
[10:08] <pwnguin> directhex: no its "sarcasm reads like idiocy online" snippiness
[10:09] <directhex> i assume everything i read is idiocy. especially on docs.info.apple.com
[10:09] <pwnguin> well thanks.
[10:11] <pwnguin> anyways, im of the general put up or shut up scenario with a community supported ps3 image. colin's a smart person, i imagine he made it clear how things stood when he started it and how things stood when he left
[10:11] <Hobbsee> pwnguin: interesting that you class things as snipy and as sarcasm, when people naturally pull apart your claims.
[10:11] <pwnguin> ^ that is missing some thougt
[10:11] <Hobbsee> gives you a great way of not expanding your views at all.
[10:11] <Hobbsee> s/expanding/supporting/
[11:04] <sebner> damn wlan -.-
[11:08] <james_w> persia: hi, are you still ok for tomorrow?
[11:08] <sebner> \sh: you seem to have great fun with Leonov, hmm :)
[11:17] <sebner> dholbach: linkchecker fixed and uploaded. \o/
[11:18] <dholbach> sebner: I uploaded it :)
[11:18] <sebner> dholbach: ha! nice. I never know if nobody comments. and I couldn't find a changes_file
[11:20] <sebner> dholbach: anyway. dirty but working :D
[11:21] <dholbach> no, that's fine
[11:21] <sebner> dholbach: but strange since in Debian it doesn't FTBFS but also there it should :\
[11:40] <sistpoty|work> hi folks
[11:40] <james_w> hi sistpoty|work
[11:40] <sistpoty|work> hi james_w
[11:42] <sebner> huhu sistpoty|work :)
[11:42] <sistpoty|work> hi sebner
[11:44] <\sh> sebner: you not? :)
[11:45] <sebner> \sh: I didn't use it yet. I can't even start it ^^
[11:46] <\sh> sebner: why not? what's the problem? read the README ;)
[11:46] <sebner> lol
[11:48] <sebner> \sh: ah. readme seems to be interesting xD
[11:54] <sebner> \sh: nice but it seems that the Qt version is somehow forwad
[11:55] <jdstrand> \sh: hi! are you working on the ruby1.9 merge?
[11:59] <jdstrand> \sh: I am going to take it if not
[12:00] <\sh> jdstrand: please do :)
[12:00] <jdstrand> \sh: ok
[12:01]  * sebner is too afraid to take on of \sh merges ^^
[12:29] <tjaalton> TheMuso: re: vdr-plugin-console; I think that merging vdr (which I'll do next week) should make the change obsolete. After that, most of the plugins should be syncable
[12:44] <kostmo> how does one make a newline in the package description in debian/control?
[12:44] <kostmo> the method described in http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Description doesn't work for me
[12:45] <sistpoty|work> kostmo: with " ."
[12:45] <geser> " ." doesn't work for you?
[12:45] <kostmo> lol my bad
[12:45] <kostmo> i forgot "." was a "full-stop character"
[12:45] <kostmo> I was thinking "newline" for some reason
[12:47] <kostmo> can text be bolded or formatted in any other way in the description?
[12:48] <sebner> geser: fire up your ACK-script. I have some syncs in u-u-s queue :P
[12:48] <sistpoty|work> kostmo: not really. only thing is that two leading spaces will iirc create verbatim text (useful for e.g. lists)
[12:49] <kostmo> ok, thanks
[12:52] <kostmo> so I finally got all the kinks worked out of my package and successfully uploaded it to my PPA, I would now like to get it into Universe
[12:54] <kostmo> it says that one should file a Launchpad bug for needs-packaging -- is there a template for this kind of bug?
[12:57] <geser> kostmo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages/ExamplePackageRequest
[12:57] <kostmo> ah, thanks!
[13:25] <tjaalton> siretart: re:vdr; yes, I am. mostly offline this week, but if you have questions you can mail me and I'll answer when I get back
[13:49] <siretart> tjaalton: I wanted to ask you to provide backports of your vdr packages for hardy, if applicable/necessary
[13:49] <siretart> tjaalton: in the MOTUMedia ppa. I started to do so in the past, but if you are preparing uploads to intrepid it would be less efford to upload them to the ppa as well
[13:51] <tjaalton> siretart: right. I'll merge vdr next week and file sync-requests for the plugins as necessary. backporting should be easy
[13:52] <siretart> tjaalton: cool. I'll add you them to the motumedia team, so that you can upload yourself. just apply to the team and I'll approve you
[13:53] <tjaalton> siretart: ok, I'll apply next week when I have more bandwith ;)
[13:53] <siretart> ok
[13:54] <DktrKranz> soren: new network-manager-vpnc snapshot uploaded to intrepid. You maintain it in Debian, biebl was thinking to move it to collaborative maintenance under pkg-utopia team, can I be of any help?
[13:55] <soren> DktrKranz: Er... It's already there.
[13:55] <soren> DktrKranz: "Maintain it in Debian" is not exactly accurate, though.
[13:56] <soren> I'm *supposed* to.
[13:56] <DktrKranz> soren: ah, I noticed right now...
[13:56] <soren> Every time I have to work on it, I end up spending a few hours yelling and screaming at GNOME's svn and then at svn-buildpackage and more often than not, I give up at some point.
[13:58] <DktrKranz> soren: anyway, if you need help/manpower/anything, I'd like to help
[13:58] <sebner> DktrKranz: huhu, so new debdiff for libnxml? yes or no?
[13:59] <DktrKranz> sebner: prepare it, so sponsors will choose between them :)
[13:59] <sebner> DktrKranz: *you* are my sponsor :P
[14:00]  * DktrKranz looks at his reference book, no indication he is sebner's soley sponsor :P
[14:01] <geser> DktrKranz: your copy is outdated :)
[14:01] <sebner> geser: ha! thx :P
[14:02] <DktrKranz> geser: already? damn!
[14:02] <DktrKranz> wasn't it 0.6.6?
[14:11] <sebner> geser: thx for ACKing my syncs. How big is the queue currently?
[14:12] <DktrKranz> sebner: I see 64 bugs waiting
[14:13] <sebner> DktrKranz: great. so the times are over with >300 waiting bugs ^^
[14:15] <DktrKranz> well... if you look at subscribed bugs you'll get 92, but I usually look at http://tinyurl.com/6dawf8
[14:16] <sebner> I see :)
[14:17] <DktrKranz> and it was > 300 because of DebianMaintainerField bugs :P
[14:19] <sebner> ^^
[14:19] <DktrKranz> now they're gone (only 2 missing, but pending upload)
[14:20] <sebner> good we fixed them *grins*
[14:24] <DktrKranz> sebner: don't worry, there will always be :)
[14:24] <sebner> ^^
[14:24]  * directhex awaits a merge in main. and one in debian
[15:26] <azeem> anybody whether LaserJock is really busy recently, or just not on IRC a lot?
[15:27] <sistpoty|work> azeem: afaict he's really busy with his PhD
[15:27] <wgrant> azeem: He is taking a break from Ubuntu, for reasons which sistpoty|work has mentioned.
[15:28] <azeem> k, I shall send him a mail then
[15:44] <sebner> persia: uqm-music and *-voice is debian new \o/
[15:51] <wgrant> sebner: Didn't we just sync from Mithrandir's repo within the last couple of days?
[15:51] <sebner> wgrant: yes
[15:51] <sebner> wgrant: but Debian didn't want to include them because they are so big but now it's in new
[15:55] <wgrant> sebner: Aren't they no more than a couple of dozen megabytes?
[15:55]  * wgrant looks.
[15:56] <sebner> wgrant: dunno. but Debian didn't want them. They are/were talking about a data repo. dunno
[16:15] <james_w> \sh: isn't there a typo in the Replaces: of clalsadrv?
[16:15] <james_w> libclasadrvc2 instead of libclalsadrvc2
[16:16] <james_w> I assume it's no longer important, as now we are post-hardy these can be dropped?
[16:17] <\sh> think so
[16:17] <james_w> it appears the packages in question were pre-dapper.
[16:27] <mouz> I packaged touchfreeze (with apachelogger's help). I hope one or two motu would like to review the packaging. The needs-packaging bug is bug 240636. I uploaded it to revu (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=touchfreeze).
[16:27] <mouz> oeps wrong bug
[16:28] <mouz> bug 240637
[16:28] <Jazzva> I have prepared 3 merges, if anyone is willing to review. All of them are mozilla extensions, and since our and Debian packaging for extensions differs a lot, all are prepared by grabbing orig.tar.gz from debian, updating the source, and then modifying our packaging, if needed. The packaging is available in bzr branches mentioned in the bugreport.
[16:29] <Jazzva> bug 241160, bug 241669, bug 241671
[16:29] <Jazzva> Thanks :)
[16:31] <wgrant> Jazzva: Is it really necessary to have such a deviation from Debian?
[16:31] <wgrant> That is generally strongly frowned upon.
[16:32] <Jazzva> wgrant, mozilla team prepared package mozilla-devscripts, which contains xpi.mk script. It makes extension packaging and maintaining a lot easier
[16:32] <wgrant> Jazzva: Are you attempting to push this to Debian?
[16:32] <Jazzva> wgrant, there are plans to include mozilla-devscripts package in Debian, but for now it doesn't exist there. That's why such a big difference exists
[16:33] <wgrant> Jazzva: Right, that's fine then.
[16:33] <Jazzva> wgrant, yes, when mozilla-devscripts is included in debian, I suppose they'll start using xpi.mk, so the merge changes won't be so big.
[16:34] <Jazzva> s/is/gets
[17:09]  * sistpoty|work heads home... cya
[17:59] <norsetto> hallo all
[18:00] <geser> Hallo norsetto
[18:00] <norsetto> hi geser
[18:02] <persia> DktrKranz: There's not a list, but it ought at least boot on anything McCaslin or Menlow.
[18:02]  * persia should put up a wiki page
[18:02] <persia> james_w: Certainly.  10:00, right?
[18:03] <persia> sebner: Indeed.  Life is amusing that way.  Anyway, we'll pull from Debian when we can, as the err.no packages are likely to not be there after lenny (as the domain is changing).
[18:03] <james_w> persia: great. My email says "10:00 UTC on Thu 26th June"
[18:04] <persia> james_w: Right.  Any pet bug you want reviewed in the session?
[18:06] <james_w> persia: not that I can think of. Perhaps petitioning #ubuntu-bugs might get you something.
[18:06] <persia> james_w: Good idea
[18:06]  * persia is happy at the idea of someone else picking the stacktrace
[18:40] <slytherin> Can anyone please tell me where has this document moved - http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html ?
[18:40] <jpds> slytherin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[18:43] <persia> Well, it didn't exactly move, but it's roughly the same content.
[18:56] <slytherin> In the packaging guide the example copyright file contains word 'The Ubuntu Packaging:', is it appropriate?
[18:57] <persia> slytherin: In which context?  At the top, or at the bottom?
[18:57] <slytherin> persia: at bottom, where it specifies packaging copyright
[18:58] <slytherin> I mean shouldn't it be debian packaging or simply packaging
[18:58] <persia> slytherin: I usually just say "Packaging" there.
[18:58] <slytherin> persia: thanks
[18:58] <persia> On the other hand, it's not wrong as long as the package is only done for Ubuntu: someone ought negotiate or change it if they want to put it somewhere else.
[18:58] <persia> Probably better if the guide dropped the word "Ubuntu" in that context.
[18:59] <persia> slytherin: Would you mind fixing that?
[18:59] <slytherin> persia: I will do it.
[19:00] <persia> slytherin: Thanks.
[19:36] <slytherin> geser: had advocated my package on revu and left minor comments. I fixed those and re-uploaded it. Now the main page says no advocates. Ii is a problem, isn't it?
[19:38] <geser> slytherin: not really, I just need to check the package again and readvocate it
[19:38] <slytherin> geser: Ok. Take your time, I am in no hurry. :-)
[19:39] <persia> slytherin: More generally, when you update a package, previous advocations are removed, as there is no guarantee your changes are also advocated.  As you've just seen, often a quick ping will get you back your advocation.
[19:39] <slytherin> :-D
[19:42] <geser> slytherin: as your changes were minimal a look at the debdiff was enough for me to check the changes and readvocate.
[19:42] <slytherin> geser: Thanks. :-)
[20:27] <tarheelcoxn> I have a pbuilder problem. http://pastebin.com/f59859618 ... Could someone please tell me why the install of the pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy.deb package fails the way it does? more importantly, how do I fix it?
[20:29] <Jazzva> norsetto, for bug 227577, when you say to just keep Ubuntu package as is and the rest, you mean not to mention Debian's changelog entries?
[20:30] <norsetto> Jazzva: yes, forget debian, keep the package as an ubuntu one
[20:31] <norsetto> Jazzva: just bump version to 0.3.1-0ubuntu2 with those changes and its good to go
[20:32] <Jazzva> norsetto, but maybe it's better to mention it as a merge (true, a big one), and get our version higher than Debian's, which will remove it from MoM.
[20:33] <DRebellion> tarheelcoxn, I have had a very similar problem today with pbuilder.
[20:33] <DRebellion> Will post my log
[20:33] <Jazzva> norsetto, also, when we start merging with Debian at some point in future, their changelog entries we skipped will show up.
[20:33] <tarheelcoxn> DRebellion: excellent
[20:34] <DRebellion> http://paste.ubuntu.com/22939/
[20:34] <DRebellion> Any ideas?
[20:35] <norsetto> jazzva: so what? It doesn't make any sense to marge with debian if the only diff is that they add the homepage field in debian/control.
[20:36] <geser> tarheelcoxn: have you universe enabled in your pbuilder?
[20:38] <geser> DRebellion: the same question for you too ^^
[20:38] <Jazzva> norsetto, I thought it might be confusing for someone who works later on this (or similar) package, when our and Debian's changelog entries get mixed up.
[20:38] <DRebellion> geser, I have this in /etc/pbuilderrc: COMPONENTS="main restricted universe multiverse"
[20:39] <DRebellion> geser, I have to go for a short while. tarheelcoxn, I will be interested to see the outcome. ;)
[20:39]  * tarheelcoxn looks at his rc
[20:39] <geser> DRebellion: please also check inside your pbuilder: pbuilder login and then "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" and check if universe is also listed
[20:41] <tarheelcoxn> looks like I only had main enabled
[20:41] <tarheelcoxn> geser: thanks good catch.
[20:41]  * tarheelcoxn tries again
[20:44] <tarheelcoxn> it works this time
[20:44] <tarheelcoxn> @geser++
[20:44] <tarheelcoxn> DRebellion: edit your /etc/pbuilderrc and try again
[20:49] <DRebellion> geser, will do
[20:53] <DRebellion> geser, hmm, only main is listed
[20:53] <DRebellion> geser, after I changed the /etc/pbuilderrc , I just did pbuilder update. Should I have created a brand new chroot?
[20:55] <geser> DRebellion: try pbuilder update --overwrite-config
[20:56] <DRebellion> geser, I have just edited the /etc/apt/sources.list inside the chroot and am now running apt-get update
[20:56] <DRebellion> geser, that should fix it, right?
[20:56] <geser> DRebellion: that works too but only if you do pbuilder login --save-after-login else your changes get discarded
[20:57] <DRebellion> geser, damn
[20:57] <DRebellion> geser, okay, will do pbuilder update --overwrite-config
[20:58] <tarheelcoxn> after I had changed mine I did a sudo pbuilder create --debootstrapopts --variant=buildd
[20:58] <tarheelcoxn> now I know about --overwrite-config :)
[20:58] <DRebellion> tarheelcoxn, i believe there is also --override-config
[20:59] <DRebellion> geser, Error: Unknown option [--overwrite-config] was specified
[20:59] <geser> DRebellion: then it's --override-config :)
[21:00] <DRebellion> geser, right
[21:00] <geser> I didn't look it up in the manpage and apparently remembered it wrongly
[21:15] <DRebellion> geser, thanks. Its working now. :D
[21:17] <tarheelcoxn> @geser++
[22:07] <LimCore> hi, is this a good place to discuss general ubuntu "wish" idea?
[22:19] <directhex> LimCore, depends. what's your opinion of "patches accepted" as a reply?
[23:52] <Falken> Hi everyone
[23:53] <Falken> I'm still looking for MOTUs to review my package. Can someone have a look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=flabber
[23:53] <Falken> thanks in advance !
[23:54]  * cody-somerville takes a peek.
[23:56] <cody-somerville> Falken, maintainer field must be a Ubuntu e-mail address if I remember correctly.
[23:56] <cody-somerville> Falken, see your e-mail to: XSCB-Original-Maintainer
[23:56] <cody-somerville> and Maintainer to: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com> (or whatever it is).
[23:58]  * ScottK hands Falken and cody-somerville https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[23:59] <Falken> thanks for the advice, I'm having a look
[23:59] <ogra> well, only for packages that are actually in debian, no ?
[23:59] <ScottK> ogra: No.  All packages.
[23:59] <ogra> huh?